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Killing in Cabo hotel lobby

sanfelipebob - 4-24-2011 at 04:05 PM

Farther north on Mexico's Pacific coast, a young man was shot to death in the lobby of a luxury hotel Saturday in Cabo San Lucas, the Baja California Sur state prosecutor's office said. State police said the man was hit by seven bullets in his back and head, but did not provide details of a possible motive for the killing.

It was unclear if the killing was drug-related. Drug gang violence — which has claimed more than 34,600 lives in Mexico over the past four years — has been extremely rare in Cabo San Lucas, a resort dotted-area at the southern tip of the Baja California peninsula.

JESSE - 4-24-2011 at 04:12 PM

The info coming out is that there was a fight in a bar, and one of the men involved in the fight was followed to his hotel.

tiotomasbcs - 4-24-2011 at 04:13 PM

Very distrbing and surprising! Few people have guns except La Policia y Militar and the Cartels?! Yes, there have been a few instances but overall very few. If you believe Norte and J Navarette you would think this happens frequently? Not! Let's hope this is just some Holiday Madness. Yes, I lock the gates and doors at night. No, I 'm not afraid! What do you guys think?:o Tio :coolup:

choyero - 4-24-2011 at 04:26 PM

http://www.tribunadeloscabos.com.mx/newpage2/index.cfm?op=po... blindaje de seguridad, joven asesinado

2 groups of young men got into a fight in a bar and one of the groups followed the victim back to his hotel where he was shot with a 9mm.

[Edited on 4-24-2011 by choyero]

Barbarosa - 4-24-2011 at 04:27 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by tiotomasbcs
Very distrbing and surprising! Few people have guns except La Policia y Militar and the Cartels?! Yes, there have been a few instances but overall very few. If you believe Norte and J Navarette you would think this happens frequently? Not! Let's hope this is just some Holiday Madness. Yes, I lock the gates and doors at night. No, I 'm not afraid! What do you guys think?:o Tio :coolup:


"seven bullets in his back and head"

I think it's safe to say this was not a random shooting nor an innocent bystander. (Don't mean to suggest he deserved to die, but it wouldn't be thee nor me.)

woody with a view - 4-24-2011 at 04:47 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by choyero
http://www.tribunadeloscabos.com.mx/newpage2/index.cfm?op=po... blindaje de seguridad, joven asesinado

2 groups of young men got into a fight in a bar and one of the groups followed the victim back to his hotel where he was shot with a 9mm.

[Edited on 4-24-2011 by choyero]


it has been said. "you don't fight one bean, you gotta fight the whole burrito."

translation=Mexicans feel like they gotta jump one guy 5-1 to make themselves feel macho..... true story.

measomsan - 4-24-2011 at 05:56 PM

ok ..not the every day..I live in houston..every night ..every day

Marc - 4-24-2011 at 06:02 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by woody with a view
Quote:
Originally posted by choyero
http://www.tribunadeloscabos.com.mx/newpage2/index.cfm?op=po... blindaje de seguridad, joven asesinado

2 groups of young men got into a fight in a bar and one of the groups followed the victim back to his hotel where he was shot with a 9mm.

[Edited on 4-24-2011 by choyero]


it has been said. "you don't fight one bean, you gotta fight the whole burrito."

translation=Mexicans feel like they gotta jump one guy 5-1 to make themselves feel macho..... true story.


It's always been that way. WhenI was a kid you couldn't fight just one.

mojo_norte - 4-24-2011 at 06:17 PM

victim = gringo tourist? - probably not

Phil S - 4-24-2011 at 06:52 PM

We still love Cabo, and will continue going down every winter. But, no more wandering around downtown anymore, at night until this crap is setlled?????P- lenty of stuff to do at our Resort without having to go downtown. 7 pools. 3 restaurants, suanas, tennis, martini bar. What else does one need to do?.

805gregg - 4-24-2011 at 07:14 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by Phil S
We still love Cabo, and will continue going down every winter. But, no more wandering around downtown anymore, at night until this crap is setlled?????P- lenty of stuff to do at our Resort without having to go downtown. 7 pools. 3 restaurants, suanas, tennis, martini bar. What else does one need to do?.


Send a clear message to the Mexican Gov. No more visits until they clean up the lawlessness. What other counrty is finding mass graves every month.

norte - 4-24-2011 at 08:36 PM

Sad. so Sad. Maybe those with their heads in the sand will wake up now.

gnukid - 4-24-2011 at 09:39 PM

The shooting apparently is a professional hit, 9mm, 7 shots to the back of the head. There are some officials(?) who have said the victim, Gabriel Gonzalez Lazcano, had links to organized crime, with Beltran Leyva cartel.

http://peninsulardigital.com/mas/extra/establecen-“filtro-po...

"Informal descriptions of the facts speak of a single gunman, a man between 20 and 25 years old who shot at close range to the now deceased in the lobby of a luxury hotel in Cabo San Lucas using a 9mm gun for the exclusive use of the armed forces Mexico for which it has been hypothesized that the facts may be linked to organized crime activity."

???

http://peninsulardigital.com/mas/extra/ejecutado-en-hotel-pu...

http://colectivopericu.wordpress.com/2011/04/24/ejecutado-en...




[Edited on 4-25-2011 by gnukid]

CortezBlue - 4-24-2011 at 09:52 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by 805gregg
Quote:
Originally posted by Phil S
We still love Cabo, and will continue going down every winter. But, no more wandering around downtown anymore, at night until this crap is setlled?????P- lenty of stuff to do at our Resort without having to go downtown. 7 pools. 3 restaurants, suanas, tennis, martini bar. What else does one need to do?.


Send a clear message to the Mexican Gov. No more visits until they clean up the lawlessness. What other counrty is finding mass graves every month.


Except for the mass graves found on the east coast in the NY/NJ area over the past few weeks??

Let's face it, if you do the research, the US has probably more killings/homicides per capita as Mexico. And Mexico has far less than many country's in Central and South America

The problem has to do with how they are explained in the news.
If we said that the US had 35000 murders in the past 4 years, no one would come here either. However, we simply write it off to the region from which it came. i.e., Los Angeles had a gang related killing last night 4 members of XYZ Gang were killed in retaliation for something that happened a week ago.

Mexican murders are delivered in a similar fashion, in Mexico. But in the US, they clump it all together and start by saying,

"The death toll rises in Mexico to 36000 over the past 4 years since Felipe Calderon has become Presidente"

Now that being said, I am not ignorant and would discontinue my semi monthly trips down to San Felipe, if there were murders in town or on the way to San Felipe, near Mexicali, however, that has not been the case.

Besides, I live in Phoenix, and if you listen to the news, it is the Kidnapping capitol of the USA!!

baja Steve - 4-25-2011 at 04:25 AM

Anyone know which hotel?

gnukid - 4-25-2011 at 05:05 AM

hotel pueblo bonito

mtgoat666 - 4-25-2011 at 05:12 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by Phil S
We still love Cabo, and will continue going down every winter. But, no more wandering around downtown anymore, at night until this crap is setlled??
Plenty of stuff to do at our Resort without having to go downtown. 7 pools. 3 restaurants, suanas, tennis, martini bar. What else does one need to do?.


why don't you just stay home at a condo in sun phoenix?

oh, that's right, phoenix has a higher murder rate than cabo!

CaboRon - 4-25-2011 at 05:15 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by CortezBlue
Quote:
Originally posted by 805gregg
Quote:
Originally posted by Phil S





Let's face it, if you do the research, the US has probably more killings/homicides per capita as Mexico. And Mexico has far less than many country's in Central and South America











Cortez Blue : Perhaps you should do some reseach yourself ...
All I hear from you is heresay ...

redmesa - 4-25-2011 at 05:22 AM

Doing the math that makes the USA a winner in the murder rate game by almost double Mexico's.

The total number of murder's in the U.S.A. for 2006 ( 17,030 ) 2007 ( 16,929 ) 2008 ( 16,442 ) and 2009 ( 15,241 ) . At this point in time the murder stats for 2010 have not been released yet.
Source(s):
http://www.disastercenter.com/crime/uscr…

Phil S - 4-25-2011 at 05:51 AM

I won't respond to mtgoat666 remarks any longer. He "can't get MY GOAT any longer!!!"

mtgoat666 - 4-25-2011 at 06:16 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by Phil S
Plenty of stuff to do at our Resort without having to go downtown. 7 pools. 3 restaurants, suanas, tennis, martini bar. What else does one need to do?.


the problems caused by gringos that buy into walled resort compounds at Cabo:

http://www.youtube.com/user/7filosproducciones#p/a/u/0/6dAPu...
Quote:
Originally posted by Phil S
7 pools. 3 restaurants, suanas, tennis, martini bar. What else does one need to do?


perhaps you can send a martini coupon to your maid and the gardener!

norte - 4-25-2011 at 07:07 AM

http://www.youtube.com/user/7filosproducciones#p/a/u/0/6dAPu...
Thanks Goat

We don't want Mexicans in our country and hey don't want Gringos in theirs....
but the symbiotic relationship keeps on going

mtgoat666 - 4-25-2011 at 07:22 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by norte
We don't want Mexicans in our country and hey don't want Gringos in theirs....


maybe you think that way. i don't.

i like mexicans in our country. i think arizona republicans and the anti-immigrant klan appalling.

i think you jump to wrong conclusion that mexicans do not want gringos in their country.

Donjulio - 4-25-2011 at 07:25 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by CortezBlue


Now that being said, I am not ignorant and would discontinue my semi monthly trips down to San Felipe, if there were murders in town or on the way to San Felipe, near Mexicali, however, that has not been the case.



Actually there have been quite a few murders in San Felipe and Mexicali over the last couple years. Reality is they are so focused on trying to save the town that you won't hear about them unless you really are connected in the town.

The "gringo" websites, blogs and news sources will not post these things. They are afraid that if ANY of it gets out the town will dry up more than it already has.

jenny.navarrette - 4-25-2011 at 07:28 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by redmesa
Doing the math that makes the USA a winner in the murder rate game by almost double Mexico's.

The total number of murder's in the U.S.A. for 2006 ( 17,030 ) 2007 ( 16,929 ) 2008 ( 16,442 ) and 2009 ( 15,241 ) . At this point in time the murder stats for 2010 have not been released yet.


That's not a murder RATE. That is a murder body count total. To get a rate you have to divide by the population. This is the murder RATE.



Mexico has over 6 TIMES the murder rate as the US.

karenintx - 4-25-2011 at 07:54 AM

This is bad...not because it is where we live but Mexico is running out of towns where tourist can go and feel safe. After all, Tourism is Mexico's top revenue.

What I can tell you is this "Santa Semana" there were a lot more Mexicans visiting CSL. When we talked with several of them, they told us they were from MZT, PVR, MTY and they liked how safe CSL is.

It will be interesting to see how President Calderon handles this. One thing for sure, Ernesto Coppel will not stand idly by.


.

Get real folks

mcfez - 4-25-2011 at 07:55 AM

Want to talk murder rates?

Intentional homicide rates per 100,000 population by region and subregion,

Southern Africa 37.3
Central America 29.3
South America 25.9
West and Central Africa 21.6
East Africa 20.8
Africa 20
Caribbean 18.1
Americas 16.2
East Europe 15.7
North Africa 7.6
World 7.6
North America 6.5
Central Asia and Transcaucasian countries 6.6
Europe 5.4
Near and Middle East/South-west Asia 4.4
Oceania 4
South Asia 3.4
Asia 3.2
South-east Europe 3.2
East and South-east Asia 2.8
West and Central Europe 1.5

[Edited on 4-25-2011 by mcfez]

norte - 4-25-2011 at 08:00 AM

Its not just Arizona....look at what other states are trying to do as well.
http://articles.latimes.com/2011/apr/14/nation/la-na-georgia...

wake up goat and look around
Quote:
Originally posted by mtgoat666
Quote:
Originally posted by norte
We don't want Mexicans in our country and hey don't want Gringos in theirs....


maybe you think that way. i don't.

i like mexicans in our country. i think arizona republicans and the anti-immigrant klan appalling.

i think you jump to wrong conclusion that mexicans do not want gringos in their country.

toneart - 4-25-2011 at 08:37 AM

...an isolated event seemingly involving a person with alleged nefarious ties, or else it was the result of a bar fight.

Whereas, this will surely fuel the fear monger mill, it does not portend danger to tourists.

Danger lurks outside of your own front door wherever you live. Draw the shades and assume the fetal position. Suck on your thumbs too. The Boogie Man will seek you out anyway.:O

norte - 4-25-2011 at 08:44 AM

I see. and did you sell your house yet?
http://forums.bajanomad.com/viewthread.php?tid=45255
Quote:
Originally posted by toneart
...an isolated event seemingly involving a person with alleged nefarious ties, or else it was the result of a bar fight.

Whereas, this will surely fuel the fear monger mill, it does not portend danger to tourists.

Danger lurks outside of your own front door wherever you live. Draw the shades and assume the fetal position. Suck on your thumbs too. The Boogie Man will seek you out anyway.:O

toneart - 4-25-2011 at 01:14 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by norte
I see. and did you sell your house yet?
http://forums.bajanomad.com/viewthread.php?tid=45255


Quote:
Originally posted by toneart
...an isolated event seemingly involving a person with alleged nefarious ties, or else it was the result of a bar fight.

Whereas, this will surely fuel the fear monger mill, it does not portend danger to tourists.

Danger lurks outside of your own front door wherever you live. Draw the shades and assume the fetal position. Suck on your thumbs too. The Boogie Man will seek you out anyway.:O


No! There haven't been many people coming down to buy property along the river in Mulege. If you read the post you referenced, you would see there is nothing there that is fear based. My house and personal business has nothing to do with this string. I fear no one. If you come within my vicinity you will see what I have in store for you, you racist Mexico and Mexican hater.

I had my suspicions about your identity, Norte, and now you have tipped your hand: same theme; same trolling agenda; same personal vendetta; same obsession for stalking me and digging up old posts. The only thing missing so far, as "Norte", are the personal taunts and insults under various avatars, and the personal threats in my email and my home phone answering service.

You have been banned so many times here that you have gone over to another blog and manufactured lies about me. You have libeled me and so has that blog. I have saved all of the evidence and have proof. The county sheriff and local police up north, where I have a home, have a huge file on you and so does my attorney. Get a life, you pathetic coward POS!

I have the support of virtually all Nomads, except for some of the bottom-dwelling wingnuts who dwell in Off Topic, and certainly all Mulege residents who know me! I have the credibility here. You have none,Troll! You are busted! Go away...again!

This is my legal order for you to cease and desist!

Bad Jouralism?

Bajahowodd - 4-25-2011 at 01:24 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by gnukid
hotel pueblo bonito


http://peninsulardigital.com/mas/extra/ejecutado-en-hotel-pu...

Note that they post a picture of the lobby of the Pueblo Bonito Los Cabos (the first one built). But the body of the article cites Pueblo Bonito Rose (next door).

So, do I believe the picture, or the text??

norte - 4-25-2011 at 01:30 PM

If you would have bothered to look, I was around before your buddy was banned. I have my beliefs about how safe Mexico is and whether it would be a good bet to buy there,,,but it has nothing personal to do with you. SO quit threatening me.
Quote:
Originally posted by toneart

No! There haven't been many people coming down to buy property along the river in Mulege. If you read the post you referenced, you would see there is nothing there that is fear based. My house and personal business has nothing to do with this string. I fear no one. If you come within my vicinity you will see what I have in store for you, you racist Mexico and Mexican hater.

I had my suspicions about your identity, Norte, and now you have tipped your hand: same theme; same trolling agenda; same personal vendetta; same obsession for stalking me and digging up old posts. The only thing missing so far, as "Norte", are the personal taunts and insults under various avatars, and the personal threats in my email and my home phone answering service.

You have been banned so many times here that you have gone over to another blog and manufactured lies about me. You have libeled me and so has that blog. I have saved all of the evidence and have proof. The county sheriff and local police up north, where I have a home, have a huge file on you and so does my attorney. Get a life, you pathetic coward POS!

I have the support of virtually all Nomads, except for some of the bottom-dwelling wingnuts who dwell in Off Topic, and certainly all Mulege residents who know me! I have the credibility here. You have none,Troll! You are busted! Go away...again!

This is my legal order for you to cease and desist!

vandenberg - 4-25-2011 at 01:32 PM

Doug,
I believe Norte's time has expired.:?::no:

Bajafun777 - 4-25-2011 at 02:05 PM

Phil S., your dollar at the resorts employs more people than someone buying a six pack at the local store claiming they help the Mexican economy for sure. The resort like your staying employs up to 3,000 people. Thus, anyone here that thinks people not buying or staying at these resorts do not help the local people of that community are way off base.

Enjoy your resort but do not let a couple of coward pieces of dog crap keep you from enjoying the town or near-by villages. I have a number of paid off resorts that I visit and I know that what I spend there along with my friends and relatives help out a lot. Our hotel workers love to see us come, as we tip our room helper everyday and we leave so much unopened food and drink in the refrigerator when we leave too.

I also lease houses in Mexico, travel all over Baja and Mainland spending money on fuel, food, hotels, etc. All of this is why Mexico wants and needs tourist to continue coming. Again, you do not have to excuse yourself or explain yourself for your choices in enjoying Mexico. Have FUN amigo and enjoy everyday like tomorrow will never come,LOL. Take Care & Safe Travels---- "No Hurry, No Worry, Just FUN" bajafun777

JESSE - 4-25-2011 at 02:51 PM

Don't know what the big deal is, this murder does not fit the typical cartel murder at all. This whas either a fight or a personal vendetta, nothing more.

vandenberg - 4-25-2011 at 02:54 PM

Bajafun77,
Phil is a friend of mine. You're absolutely correct and, be assured, that Phil is not afraid to travel anywhere in Baja. He has been around for a long time and knows the score.

vandenberg - 4-25-2011 at 02:58 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by JESSE
Don't know what the big deal is, this murder does not fit the typical cartel murder at all. This whas either a fight or a personal vendetta, nothing more.


My sentiments exactly. Seems like typical macho stuff. Guy probably looked at his wife/girlfriend wrong or made some remark. Having been in the bar business all my life, this maybe one of those occasions that proof how booze can do wonders for you.:biggrin:

Ask Pompano.:P

[Edited on 4-25-2011 by vandenberg]

toneart - 4-25-2011 at 02:59 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by JESSE
Don't know what the big deal is, this murder does not fit the typical cartel murder at all. This whas either a fight or a personal vendetta, nothing more.

Hello-o-o-o-o!....Hello-o-o-o-o! Is there an echo in here? I already said that, Jesse. :yes:

(I'm just messin' with you, Jesse. Point is...we agree. :yes:)

Eugenio - 4-25-2011 at 03:58 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by mcfez
Want to talk murder rates?

Intentional homicide rates per 100,000 population by region and subregion,

Southern Africa 37.3
Central America 29.3
South America 25.9
West and Central Africa 21.6
East Africa 20.8
Africa 20
Caribbean 18.1
Americas 16.2
East Europe 15.7
North Africa 7.6
World 7.6
North America 6.5
Central Asia and Transcaucasian countries 6.6
Europe 5.4
Near and Middle East/South-west Asia 4.4
Oceania 4
South Asia 3.4
Asia 3.2
South-east Europe 3.2
East and South-east Asia 2.8
West and Central Europe 1.5

[Edited on 4-25-2011 by mcfez]


I'm not sure what you're trying to show us here. Mexico is part of North America. BTW - what's the source? Zikes - Central Amereica sure seems high. Do they all have the same definition of homicide?

mtgoat666 - 4-25-2011 at 04:12 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by Eugenio
I'm not sure what you're trying to show us here. Mexico is part of North America. BTW - what's the source? Zikes - Central Amereica sure seems high. Do they all have the same definition of homicide?


how do they count the walking dead? you know, those people in a voodoo pickle state of being

Bajahowodd - 4-25-2011 at 04:18 PM

That was from Wikipedia. Believe what you wish about such open source sites.

That said, if this exhibit is to be believe, it shows El Salvador, Honduras and Guatemala in the hall of shame.

bent-rim - 4-25-2011 at 05:10 PM

Flooding rather than violence would keep me from buying property on the river in Mulege. And it's one of my favorite places in Baja.

[Edited on 4-26-2011 by bent-rim]

Pompano - 4-25-2011 at 05:32 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by vandenberg
Quote:
Originally posted by JESSE
Don't know what the big deal is, this murder does not fit the typical cartel murder at all. This whas either a fight or a personal vendetta, nothing more.


My sentiments exactly. Seems like typical macho stuff. Guy probably looked at his wife/girlfriend wrong or made some remark. Having been in the bar business all my life, this maybe one of those occasions that proof how booze can do wonders for you.:biggrin:

Ask Pompano.:P

[Edited on 4-25-2011 by vandenberg]


ED.....WTF? I'm right here, ask me.

[Edited on 4-26-2011 by Pompano]

Pompano - 4-25-2011 at 05:51 PM

Mike..give it a rest...you've had your fun.

And no denial..as you well know...and if you don't, I could care less.

No more of this b.s. for me...over and out.

[Edited on 4-26-2011 by Pompano]

7 bullets in Baja Sur....

Ulev - 4-25-2011 at 06:18 PM

Internet news claims murder in Cabo Saturday may be drug related....7 slugs in the back....so much for 'peaceful baja'
RE agents best head back to the states, too bad there are no jobs there...
not being nasty....I live here too...but am concerned.

DENNIS - 4-25-2011 at 06:27 PM

It'll probably get worse before it gets better. Take care of yourself.

choyero - 4-25-2011 at 06:59 PM

The newspapers said he was a farmer from sinaloa, a farmer who flew in on a private jet. Wonder what his crop was?

JESSE - 4-25-2011 at 07:06 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by choyero
The newspapers said he was a farmer from sinaloa, a farmer who flew in on a private jet. Wonder what his crop was?


ALFALFA

choyero - 4-25-2011 at 07:12 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by JESSE
Quote:
Originally posted by choyero
The newspapers said he was a farmer from sinaloa, a farmer who flew in on a private jet. Wonder what his crop was?


ALFALFA


Seriously? He must grow a lot of alfalfa, however when a bale of alfalfa is about 90 pesos each a big operation could make some serious dough.

[Edited on 4-26-2011 by choyero]

slimshady - 4-25-2011 at 08:10 PM

Development is good. It gives employment to many and gives them a better life than they might have had. What does the Collectivo Pericu expect us to stay at one of those shanty towns to save the environment. Perhaps the hotels should pay their workers american wages since they charge in american dollars.

gnukid - 4-25-2011 at 08:49 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by toneart
Quote:
Originally posted by JESSE
Don't know what the big deal is, this murder does not fit the typical cartel murder at all. This whas either a fight or a personal vendetta, nothing more.

Hello-o-o-o-o!....Hello-o-o-o-o! Is there an echo in here? I already said that, Jesse. :yes:

(I'm just messin' with you, Jesse. Point is...we agree. :yes:)


The reports which have been linked here provide the evidence currently available to anyone, there are many police investigators on this board, any of those or anyone can surmise a fair amount from the facts noted which state:

The gun was federally issued 9mm

There were witnesses who have testified-the police have "filtered" the public info to "protect" the investigation

The victim was shot 7 times in the back and head with a 9mm

The victim is identified as Gabriel González Lazcano

Gee I wonder this murder is among other actions this week as part of an initiative-in parallel-call it... nuevo ______

choyero - 4-26-2011 at 07:49 AM

SNAFU

toneart - 4-26-2011 at 09:16 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by gnukid
Quote:
Originally posted by toneart
Quote:
Originally posted by JESSE
Don't know what the big deal is, this murder does not fit the typical cartel murder at all. This whas either a fight or a personal vendetta, nothing more.

Hello-o-o-o-o!....Hello-o-o-o-o! Is there an echo in here? I already said that, Jesse. :yes:

(I'm just messin' with you, Jesse. Point is...we agree. :yes:)


The reports which have been linked here provide the evidence currently available to anyone, there are many police investigators on this board, any of those or anyone can surmise a fair amount from the facts noted which state:

The gun was federally issued 9mm

There were witnesses who have testified-the police have "filtered" the public info to "protect" the investigation

The victim was shot 7 times in the back and head with a 9mm

The victim is identified as Gabriel González Lazcano

Gee I wonder this murder is among other actions this week as part of an initiative-in parallel-call it... nuevo ______


Gnu-

9mm issued by which Federal Government?

Your last sentence is a tad obscure. Are you inferring that there is a possible clandestine U.S. agent operation involvement? Interesting theory, but to what purpose? Can you elucidate?:?:

slimshady - 4-26-2011 at 06:43 PM

One or two bullets is a murder. Seven bullets is a hit. That guy must have cornered the alfalfa market.

gnukid - 4-26-2011 at 10:26 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by toneart
Quote:
Originally posted by gnukid
Quote:
Originally posted by toneart
Quote:
Originally posted by JESSE
Don't know what the big deal is, this murder does not fit the typical cartel murder at all. This whas either a fight or a personal vendetta, nothing more.

Hello-o-o-o-o!....Hello-o-o-o-o! Is there an echo in here? I already said that, Jesse. :yes:

(I'm just messin' with you, Jesse. Point is...we agree. :yes:)


The reports which have been linked here provide the evidence currently available to anyone, there are many police investigators on this board, any of those or anyone can surmise a fair amount from the facts noted which state:

The gun was federally issued 9mm

There were witnesses who have testified-the police have "filtered" the public info to "protect" the investigation

The victim was shot 7 times in the back and head with a 9mm

The victim is identified as Gabriel González Lazcano

Gee I wonder this murder is among other actions this week as part of an initiative-in parallel-call it... nuevo ______


Gnu-

9mm issued by which Federal Government?

Your last sentence is a tad obscure. Are you inferring that there is a possible clandestine U.S. agent operation involvement? Interesting theory, but to what purpose? Can you elucidate?:?:


The articles which came out right away and I linked, stated that there were witnesses including the girlfriend of the shooter who left her purse and ID, and staff security who witnessed the shooting and confronted the shooter, they identified the weapon by the catrtridges and by sight as a federally issued 9mm that are issued to Federal forces.

Then the articles state that the police are filtering the publicly available info in order to protect the investigation.

I have no idea whether any of the statements are true, however taking the reports at face value, a person can surmise certain elements of the case.

If you or anyone are so inclined you can read the articles or look for new ones today, ask yourself why would a federally issued military or police weapon be used in this murder, why are the facts filtered and withheld?

The articles which quote the investigators say enough to understand something about the case and the perpetrator.


[Edited on 4-27-2011 by gnukid]

bajaguy - 4-27-2011 at 08:46 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by gnukid

....................The gun was federally issued 9mm ...............

The articles which came out right away and I linked, stated that there were witnesses including the girlfriend of the shooter who left her purse and ID, and staff security who witnessed the shooting and confronted the shooter
,............. they identified the weapon by the catrtridges and by sight as a federally issued 9mm that are issued to Federal forces.................
Edited on 4-27-2011 by gnukid]





Just because a weapon LOOKS like one used by "federal forces" doesn't mean it was ISSUED by federal forces.........

wessongroup - 4-27-2011 at 09:56 AM

Aaahhh ... just a thought.. . in Mexico who has guns .. legally and illegally

It does narrow it down a bit.... either the bad guys or ______________

Weapons in Mexico

bajaguy - 4-27-2011 at 11:09 AM

Wiley.....there are more guns in the hands of citizens in Mexico than you would think......and .......

it appears there is more to this shooting than what is being reported by "official and unofficial" sources.

gnukid - 4-27-2011 at 07:45 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by bajaguy
Quote:
Originally posted by gnukid

....................The gun was federally issued 9mm ...............

The articles which came out right away and I linked, stated that there were witnesses including the girlfriend of the shooter who left her purse and ID, and staff security who witnessed the shooting and confronted the shooter
,............. they identified the weapon by the catrtridges and by sight as a federally issued 9mm that are issued to Federal forces.................
Edited on 4-27-2011 by gnukid]





Just because a weapon LOOKS like one used by "federal forces" doesn't mean it was ISSUED by federal forces.........


I hate to discuss such a morbid subject, hopefully that isn't the point, the point is the police investigators have reported some facts, which are linked above, surprisingly few will read anything these days, the reports from the local/federal investigators identify the weapon as a federal weapon and further state they were required to withhold evidence. Why it's up to me to point out this obvious fact among others while nearly the entire group here would prefer to either deny or obfuscate the facts or attack each other is purely a historical tradition of Baja Nomads.

Let us move on toward common sense, lacking fear, and instead encourage the people to use their heads to think rationally based in facts.

mojo_norte - 4-27-2011 at 08:01 PM

Gnu (great snowboards BTW) you try and plead an objective point of view but your opinion is quite one sided opinionated - as per usual in my experience- thus the reason many persons on this board might have a problem with you.

gnukid - 4-27-2011 at 09:28 PM

Mojo, Great, well I'm glad you are certain about something, me not so much.

I do believe that by our own action we lead by example, we make the BIG difference. The reports are fodder. We create our reality by living our example.

This is a very sad event.

Gabriel González Lazcano the victim has passed, and Juan Leonardo Zamudio López who is the alleged shooter is in jail.

Leo - 4-27-2011 at 09:59 PM

And this just after the anouncement that Southern Baja is one of the 5 safest places in mexico?

CortezBlue - 4-28-2011 at 02:11 AM

I am tired of the violence in Mexico vs USA syndrome. Every shooting is not about the cartel

Please look at any city in the USA and you will find the same, TYPES, of murders.

I live in Phoenix and I can tell you in the past 24 hours there were several murders. www.azcentral.com

I take a Spanish class with my son, who attends, ASU, and he told me that his room mate found a murdered body on campus Tuesday night??
I never even heard about it on the news. However, this event, the shooting in Cabo, and the shooting of the hair dressers in Acapulco were broadcast over and over as "The Battle of the Border"

If USA news outlets broadcast murder statistics about the USA the same as they do about Mexico, you wouldn't want to get out of bed.

We have a house in San Felipe and I love it when some of the old time gringos willl tell new folks who come to town about the 3 Americans murdered in San Felipe.

They tell the story of the couple out of San Diego that came to SF for the weekend.

The gals husband found out she went to SF with a boyfriend.

He followed them down and found the hotel they were staying at and he killed them both and then shot himself to death.

This event happened in 1976.

If you really want to be concerned, start following the de-valuation of the dollar and the correlation of the devaluation and the price of gas. The USA is going down the toilet and the current administration wants you to look everywhere but where the true issues are. Mexico Violence, Birth Certificates, Oil Spills, Middle East. It is what any great magician does, look at the right hand while the left hand is doing the trick.



:coolup::coolup::coolup::coolup::coolup:

latina - 4-28-2011 at 06:32 AM

This morning's Sudcaliforniano states that the accused killer left Cabo San Lucas the same morning as the shooting on a Calafia flight at 10am to Culiacan, Sinaloa. The article says the 9mm gun is for the exclusive use of the Mexican army, airforce and navy.

Be Aware

Malbertot65 - 4-28-2011 at 11:44 AM

Clarification!!!



It is unfortunate how the police can accuse someone without any evidence.
All tourist be alert because this may happen to you, police in Los Cabos is corrupted.
The guy who`s been charged with this crime is a ordinary honest working person that has nothing to do with the murder. Instead actual killer is on the loose laughing at everyone for this huge mistake the police is making.
It is not of common sense to publish immediately the picture and name of alleged murdered so he knows the police is chasing him and runs away, of course not. The only reason to do so is to calm down public opinion and family.
This is another example of "Presumed Guilty" a film that you must watch to realize how the police can set you up and charge you with crimes you didn't do.
What is going to happen when looking at video from the hotel lobby the killer is someone else, would the police realize they made a mistake and lost time chasing an innocent person?
What about the victims? in this case there a right now two victims, the person that unfortunately has died and the scapegoat.
Who is defending the victims?, is it right for the murdered person family that police is losing precious time chasing the wrong person? will this bring them comfort, will this bring them justice? No way.
What about the person allegedly charged with a crime he didn't committ?, is this justice? No way.
Please be aware of this message and think about how the police works in Mexico.

Cypress - 4-28-2011 at 11:49 AM

:o

mtgoat666 - 4-28-2011 at 11:53 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by Malbertot65
It is unfortunate how the police can accuse someone without any evidence.
All tourist be alert because this may happen to you, police in Los Cabos is corrupted.
The guy who`s been charged with this crime is a ordinary honest working person that has nothing to do with the murder. Instead actual killer is on the loose laughing at everyone for this huge mistake the police is making.
It is not of common sense to publish immediately the picture and name of alleged murdered so he knows the police is chasing him and runs away, of course not. The only reason to do so is to calm down public opinion and family.
This is another example of "Presumed Guilty" a film that you must watch to realize how the police can set you up and charge you with crimes you didn't do.
What is going to happen when looking at video from the hotel lobby the killer is someone else, would the police realize they made a mistake and lost time chasing an innocent person?
What about the victims? in this case there a right now two victims, the person that unfortunately has died and the scapegoat.
Who is defending the victims?, is it right for the murdered person family that police is losing precious time chasing the wrong person? will this bring them comfort, will this bring them justice? No way.
What about the person allegedly charged with a crime he didn't committed?, is this justice? No way.
Please be aware of this message and think about how the police works in Mexico.


you must be friend or relative of the accused, eh?

tripledigitken - 4-28-2011 at 12:04 PM

Would you add some background/context to this?

krafty - 4-28-2011 at 01:51 PM

So Cortez, let me get this straight-the oil spill, middle east, birther nonsense, price of gas, and the mexican violence are all due to the current administration, and they are supposed to be keeping all this alive to keep our minds off of the crummy economy?
Boy, please explain this-musta missed something.:?:

CortezBlue - 4-28-2011 at 02:24 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by krafty
So Cortez, let me get this straight-the oil spill, middle east, birther nonsense, price of gas, and the mexican violence are all due to the current administration, and they are supposed to be keeping all this alive to keep our minds off of the crummy economy?
Boy, please explain this-musta missed something.:?:


Fear is how Govt, Dictatorships and monarchys have ruled for years, it is nothing new. Maybe it make more sense to me because of my history major, but I will leave it up to you to do some research and make your own decisions.

PS the further devaluation of the dollar through dillution and the fact that oil is ONLY purchased and traded using US dollars will see $6-$7 gas by years end. (lower dollar value requires more dollars to pay for a barrel of oil)

We have started on a roller coaster ride that has left the station and there is no turning back.

Also keep an eye on China. They will announce soon that they will back the Yuan with gold. This will cause MAJOR financial damage to you and I in the states.

Don't take my word for anything, but at least take some time to study the global condition

[Edited on 4-28-2011 by CortezBlue]

slimshady - 4-30-2011 at 10:14 PM

I sure baja south is tens time safer than Los Angeles, Santa Ana, or even San Diego.

JESSE - 5-1-2011 at 02:08 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by Malbertot65
Clarification!!!



It is unfortunate how the police can accuse someone without any evidence.
All tourist be alert because this may happen to you, police in Los Cabos is corrupted.
The guy who`s been charged with this crime is a ordinary honest working person that has nothing to do with the murder. Instead actual killer is on the loose laughing at everyone for this huge mistake the police is making.
It is not of common sense to publish immediately the picture and name of alleged murdered so he knows the police is chasing him and runs away, of course not. The only reason to do so is to calm down public opinion and family.
This is another example of "Presumed Guilty" a film that you must watch to realize how the police can set you up and charge you with crimes you didn't do.
What is going to happen when looking at video from the hotel lobby the killer is someone else, would the police realize they made a mistake and lost time chasing an innocent person?
What about the victims? in this case there a right now two victims, the person that unfortunately has died and the scapegoat.
Who is defending the victims?, is it right for the murdered person family that police is losing precious time chasing the wrong person? will this bring them comfort, will this bring them justice? No way.
What about the person allegedly charged with a crime he didn't committ?, is this justice? No way.
Please be aware of this message and think about how the police works in Mexico.


Nobody has been "charged", theres two people detained for questioning, thats all.

DENNIS - 5-1-2011 at 06:26 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by slimshady
I sure baja south is tens time safer than Los Angeles, Santa Ana, or even San Diego.


So....what's your point? Did you ever look into the ethnic base and actual citizenship of the gangs in the areas you reference? If they shoveled all Mexico's trash back over the border where it came from, you probably wouldn't be able to make statements like that with any accuracy.

Bajafun777 - 5-1-2011 at 10:30 PM

Wow, Dennis not sure you really meant to put the wording as you did since you are living basically surrounded by Mexicans. Sometimes, I worry about a few of you on this board getting wording posted while upset or just not proof reading what you write before posting it.

Not trying to get you upset or mad just concerned for your personal safety if these postings were used in the wrong manner by someone to enrage others in your current living area towards you. Be Safe and Hope no harm or twisting of what I am saying is taken. Take Care & Travel Safe--- "No Hurry, No Worry, Just FUN," bajafun777

DENNIS - 5-2-2011 at 05:23 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by Bajafun777
Wow, Dennis not sure you really meant to put the wording as you did since you are living basically surrounded by Mexicans.


I meant just what I said. If they could take all of the illegals out of the gangs NOB, it would be a safer, better world.....particularly in Santa Ana, San Diego and LA as mentioned above.
My reference wasn't toward Mexicans in general, but illegal, Mexican gang-bangers in particular. No one can deny the fact that the rank and file of the gangs is heavily influenced by this element.

Thanks for your concern. I appreciate it.

Bajafun777 - 5-2-2011 at 09:51 AM

Dennis, thanks for being more specific in your response. I knew what you were talking about but others not engaged in the gang issues would think something different. Seems with strong statements especially on this site you have to be very specific at times,LOL> Take Care & Travel Safe--- " No Hurry, No Worry, Just FUN" bajafun777

slimshady - 5-3-2011 at 11:10 AM

Dennis most gang members are not mexican illegals. They are are of Mexican decent with US citizenship. They are Asians, Black, and White. All the groups listed above have contributed to the criminal world. Mexican gang bangers mostly operate south of the border, the Sureno gangs operate North of the in cooperation of EME to move and distribute Narcotics north. Its business and our US born hispanics partake in it along with our white gangs.

Deporting illegal gang members would not even be a drop in the bucket.

I can't wait to use that Burrito line Woody...thanks!

Borregoman - 5-11-2011 at 10:25 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by woody with a view
Quote:
Originally posted by choyero
http://www.tribunadeloscabos.com.mx/newpage2/index.cfm?op=po... blindaje de seguridad, joven asesinado

2 groups of young men got into a fight in a bar and one of the groups followed the victim back to his hotel where he was shot with a 9mm.

[Edited on 4-24-2011 by choyero]


it has been said. "you don't fight one bean, you gotta fight the whole burrito."

translation=Mexicans feel like they gotta jump one guy 5-1 to make themselves feel macho..... true story.

Bajahowodd - 5-11-2011 at 04:30 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by mojo_norte
victim = gringo tourist? - probably not


http://www.insidethegate.com/gatehouse/2011/04/international...

This was sent to me by a friend, who actually was staying at the Pueblo Bonito Los Cabos when this happened.

I'm guessing that while this may not be a cartel involved hit, it does tend to show that "certain folks" on the mainland who find themselves with a wad of cash, will do what anyone might do. Go to a world-class resort and party.