BajaNomad - SAN NICHOLAS STORY #1

SAN NICHOLAS STORY #1

Skeet/Loreto - 5-11-2011 at 02:39 PM

Some time about 1973 I was spending every free minute at San Nicholas.
At nite I was sleeping near the back of a Pickup where Enrique's Wife Rachael was sleeping. During the night whe would wake me up Moaning in Pain with her Bad Teeth. I Tried to get Enrique to take her to the Dentisit to no avial.

One Day I wnet fishing and had a Dell of a Day!!! I caught 27 Feet{layed out side by side of yellowtail!. There was a guy from La Paz there and he gave me $171.00 for the Bunch. I gave the Money to Enrique and told him it was only for Rachael.

Shortly thereafter she went to the Denist.

NOw the Moral of the Story. Was it Right or Wrong that I caught those Fish and gave the Money for Rachel to get her teeth fixed!!

Did I hurt the Planet??

baja1943 - 5-11-2011 at 02:46 PM

It depends, was she a tweaker or just did't brush?

Cypress - 5-11-2011 at 02:50 PM

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Originally posted by Skeet/Loreto
Some time about 1973 I was spending every free minute at San Nicholas. Did I hurt the Planet?? [/quote
Maybe? Maybe not?

choyero - 5-11-2011 at 03:06 PM

You definately broke some laws.

mtgoat666 - 5-11-2011 at 03:10 PM

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Originally posted by Skeet/Loreto
There was a guy from La Paz there and he gave me $171.00 for the Bunch.

did you report the income on your tax return?

why did you exceed the allowable catch quota? you say you are an expert fisherman, but any expert fisherman would know that that amount of fish exceeds your daily allowable (unless they were all world record length fish!)

wessongroup - 5-11-2011 at 03:24 PM

strange in this example I see a reflection of our Banks and Government ... as it relates to money... ya think they been playing by the rules ...

Only wish folks felt as strongly about OUR financial health .. as we seem to be depleting OUR SUPPLY forever .... aaaaaahhhhh that would be money...

mulegemichael - 5-11-2011 at 03:52 PM

skeet...through ALL of your ranting posts here, i must say you have, to a degree, screwed with baja negatively on many counts....the snakes, the overfishing, the transferrence of species...yeah...i think you probably have done more harm to this peninsula than good....you rave how you harvested, harvested, harvested for years and years...where are the stories where you put something back?....i don't see it...so yeah, i'm fed up with your consuming crap and how you think everything recovers...i think you are a taker and a taker only...i think you have your tiny little head up your burro...and that's not gonna change.

bajafam - 5-11-2011 at 03:57 PM

I'm not buying this story, Skeet. And I'm not taking your bait, either.

motoged - 5-11-2011 at 04:01 PM

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Originally posted by mulegemichael
skeet...I think you have your tiny little head up your burro...and that's not gonna change.

Does that hurt the planet???

Or just Skeet? :?:

It certainly affects his view of things...

mulegemichael - 5-11-2011 at 04:03 PM

i think, at this point, it only affects skeet...he has created his own planet and it this point, it's spinning...i don't know how long that might last.

Skeet/Loreto - 5-12-2011 at 07:22 AM

Mulegemichael:

There I was in Loreto going Fishing and bringing in Fish to Eat, Fish to Can, and fish for my Friends to feed their Family, when I heard that there was a Problem in Sequim WA.!!!

So my wife and I bought a Trailer and went to Sequim and seeing the needy People bough an Acre of Land on Falfa Lane near the Creek. There we proceeded to Contract to build a Nice house so that the Local Workers could make some Money,
It has a Great View of Hurricane Ridge and a short view of the Sound..
Sold out and made some money to take back to Loreto to spend, There I and my wife spent money on building Rancho Sonrisa all by Mexicano hands Mundo, Rodrigo, Bianco and others. {Giving back to the community}.

ElCap - 5-12-2011 at 08:37 AM

Back in 1973 there were no catch limits, so he likely didn't break any laws. I'm kinda new here, but it seems to me that Skeet often purposefully spins a story so as to raise the hackles of some folks, and then sits back and enjoys all the comments about how crazy (or genius) he is.

Skeet/Loreto - 5-12-2011 at 08:48 AM

El Cap:

Right Cap there were no limits as the extra Fish you caught wnet to your Mexicano Friends and sometimes to the couple of Motels.

However, Around that time a groupt of Vetinam refugees from the States came down to Escondido and started catching and Cannin Fish by the Case. They were finally caught and for some time there was a Federal Guard at the entrance, checking everyone coming out,

I heard later that they ended up doing the same thing at the San Luis Dam lake near Los Bano Ca..

Traded jurel

doradodan - 5-12-2011 at 09:36 AM

I traded 8 nice jurel in San Lucas for a 12 pack of beer. Anybody have heartache with that?

motoged - 5-12-2011 at 09:58 AM

I must confess....I have eaten over my limit of fish tacos :biggrin:

Skeet/Loreto - 5-12-2011 at 10:12 AM

Fam: You do not beleive this story??

Enrique Murillo and his Wife Rachael. They had 4 Children :Yuyi married to Young Cesar and now has a Restruant in Loreto, Martin a Fisherman and policeman in Loreto, Manuel who is a Principal of a School at Insugentes, and Rosevellva, Ask them if they remember,

bajafam - 5-12-2011 at 11:18 AM

Just seems odd that all of a sudden you are coming up with all these instances where you helped so and so do this and that.

If you are trying to justify your continued (and celebrated) contribution to the problems on this planet (whether you believe that such problems are contrived or not) by helping a family or two, it doesn't work that way. It only makes your arm hurt by patting yourself on the back.

Skeet/Loreto - 5-12-2011 at 12:06 PM

No Fam:

What happened between the time of my stories and Now??

What caused all of the Bull Puckey like Global Warming, The Ruined Sea of Cortez, The Specie Nuts:Snail Darter} The Salamon/True Cod Deal{half of all Salmon go to the Indians}
The Tree Nuts{One who set a tree for several years and on Leaving fell and Died},

What happened in the American Culture to cause these Lunatics/Nuts to start hollaring about Saving the Planet for their Grandchildren?

Sometimes it appears to me that it is a Lack of Intelligence.

These People seem to come about by Tearing Down and Blaming us older Folks for all their Problems. Never ever offering any kind o Solution but Just stop Eating Fish, Stop Building Houses of Wood,

Anyway you look at it, I cannot see "Saving it for our Grandchildren" a Solution to the Problems of DOPE, GREED, Lack of Education.

Skeet/Loreto - 5-12-2011 at 12:09 PM

FamThere is one thing that I will take Credit for everytime it Happens: That is If I meet someone and during our time I say something that will cause them to "Seek Out Knowledge, Look for Facts, Be Kind caring, in other words Make them selves a Better Person, Then I will Feel real Good.

bajafam - 5-12-2011 at 12:15 PM

Well, you were someone's grandchild and you got to inherit the earth ~ why shouldn't my grandchildren enjoy that same gift (provided there is anything worth saving at that point).

I don't do dope.
I'm not greedy, nor rich in anything other that health, happiness and family.
I have a fair amount of intelligence, what with two degrees, etc, not to mention a wealth of information at my fingertips and whether you believe it is "bull puckey" or not, we, as humans, have done irreparable damage to this planet. I, for one, choose to do less damage and teach future generations to do the same.

Skeet/Loreto - 5-12-2011 at 12:39 PM

OK Fam:
Please tell me what damage has been done to say Winslow Arizona.

Yosemite Natl Park

The Waters of the Sea of Cortez are the same since they Shut off the Colo. River. It did change the tides somewhat.,
Now if you drive up the Coast of Oregon you can see all the Clear cutting,

And if you go to Victoria BC you can see a Bay full of Bull Pukey.

I and I have a Degree and some experienc and I do not see "irreparable Damage to the Planet>
Look at how the Shrimp Industry has recovered and rasing Shrimp, the Salamon Industry,

Fam : How are people going to eat??

mtgoat666 - 5-12-2011 at 01:08 PM

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Originally posted by Skeet/Loreto
The Waters of the Sea of Cortez are the same since they Shut off the Colo. River. It did change the tides somewhat.,
Now if you drive up the Coast of Oregon you can see all the Clear cutting,

I and I have a Degree and some experienc and I do not see "irreparable Damage to the Planet

Skeet:
What happened to the buffalo herds in the 1800s? Did the great plains environment change for the better when the buffaloes disappeared?
What happened to the passenger pigeon in the 1800s?
Why does an anoxic dead zone periodically form in the gulf of mexico off of the mississippi?
What happened to the pacific salmon runs in 1900s?
Does even one natural atlantic salmon still exist?
What happened to the cod stocks of the atlantic ocean between 1600s and 1900s?
How has deforestation in amazon basin affected the environment of the amazon basin?
What has caused many of the reefs in the caribbean and pacific to die off in the past few decades?
Is the vaquita or sea turtle population in the sea of cortez a good indicator of health of the sea of cortez?
Is shrimp fishing in the sea of cortez a harm or benefit for natural resources in the sea of cortez?
Has man affected the global climate through greenhouse gas emissions?
Is a dammed and controlled mississippi river a healthy river?
Why should govt spend trillions trying to control rivers so idiots can build in flood zones? Wouldn't the rivers be healthier if people just built on higher ground and we let the rivers flow where they prefer?

Tbone - 5-12-2011 at 01:09 PM

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Originally posted by doradodan
I traded 8 nice jurel in San Lucas for a 12 pack of beer. Anybody have heartache with that?

Pacifico I hope

bajafam - 5-12-2011 at 01:19 PM

the shrimp industry would not have had to "recover" if it had been handled sustainably in the first place. Same with Salmon.

Personally, I don't see how shrimp and salmon farming = "ain't nothin' wrong with the ocean" if everything was just dandy, we wouldn't be raising shrimp in farms in the middle of ARIZONA.

There has been a lot of change in Northeastern Arizona. Many new people coming to live here, pushing out the native species...the coyotes and wolves get hungry...look for something else to eat, somewhere else to live. Houses are built where water had once collected, where animals came to have their young. The seasons are different, the apple trees no longer produce apples as the weather has shifted, which in turn kills the bees and other pollinators, which in turn equals no apples to eat.

You ask how are people to eat? Sustainably. Grow your own food. Catch only what you need to eat. Do not rely solely on the packaged conveniences that are sold in your local market. Live with the land, the air, the sea. Be kind to it, and it will feed you for eternity. Hard work? yes. But that hard work insures that there will be a planet for future generations.

The sea isn't a free for all ~ it needs to be nourished and taken care of. Do you really believe that the massive oil spills in the Gulf of Mexico have no lasting effects? Do you really believe that "everything is just fine" after the nuclear disasters in Japan? You don't think that all of that in the ocean will change EVERYTHING? There's your irreparable damage, sir.

Skeet/Loreto - 5-12-2011 at 01:25 PM

Goat Your complete Post is about Communism and Socialism>

Who, are You, going tell each person in the World Where tp ZLive, How to Eat, What to Eat,

Who to Breed With/??

You cannot Control P{eople to your Ways. People are smarter and yes they will do some dumb things but they will Eat First.

And No People have not affected the Planet by Gas Emissions. That is Bull Puckey and has been proven as Bull Puckey,

Sure can tell you have never been to Texas or new mesico and seen the Buffalo, There are Many.Many still here.

What Personal Difference has any of the things you Posted done to you???
Are you unhealthy because you cannot eat Alantic Salamon, or see a Passenger Piegon?? Are you missing out on your Turtle Soup?? Everday

Tell me are you Hungry??

Cypress - 5-12-2011 at 01:35 PM

Yea, squirrels are yummy. Just gotta know how to cook 'em. Not gonna go into how you kill 'em. That would, no doubt, brand me as some sort of monster. But it requires a gun and steady aim. Then you've got to skin 'em, gut 'em etc. They're really good, fried, smothered, BBQ'ed, cooked with dumplings, etc. :biggrin:

bajafam - 5-12-2011 at 01:40 PM

Cypress ~ I have a friend in Tallahassee that ate squirrels. He absolutely loved them. But, you know, he didn't just shoot them to shoot them. He shot the ones he needed to eat.

Sustainable.

We have rabbits on our property. They are everywhere. My husband wants to eat them. I say go ahead! But make sure you only shoot what you need, and you have to clean and cook them

Sustainable.

goat (I can't believe I'm saying this) I concur.

Skeet/Loreto - 5-12-2011 at 01:52 PM

Fam: You have some good words but you are over looking some things: For example:

What would have Happened if Los Angeles had not "Stolen" all the Water from the Owens Valley??{Even had a little shooting war over that in 1931}

Even through it would be interesting to see what would have happened if no one was allowed to build on or near the river.

Coyotes spread Disease of all kinds that can kill People, I prefer to see the People Live.

Would you who live in one of the most beautifull places in the World move to La Purisma if it was found that you living so close to the Water was killing the Lobster?????

Fam: You have to be kidding if you think the Japanese People will not repair and rebuild in a few short years.
Look what they have done since the Two Bombs fell on their Cities,
As far as the Gulf Spill I know that the Sea will correct it over a period, just like I know that the Giant Squid taken out of Loreto and Mulege by the Tons will be Back.

The one and only one thing that concerns be is the Supply of Fresh Water.
But if Canada will decide to make some Money they could send some of their Water to Mexico and start a new Country of Food Producers,

bajafam - 5-12-2011 at 02:17 PM

I love how you pick through my response to find more bait for your rantings

What "would" have happened? I prefer not to get rhetorical. There's no point to that.

Again, what "would" have happened...that speculation is not relevant here.

Coyotes have as much right to this planet as we do, possibly more so if they were looked at by your standards of what makes one "good" ~ not on dope, not out for just money, and they eat what they want. They can stay.

Again, you are speculating..."if" it was found that I was causing irreparable damage to the place where I lived, just by being there? ~ then yes, I would gladly move.

Rebuilding and repairing til their fingers bleed will not fix the damage done to the ocean due to the nuclear waste. That is what is irreparable. Not their homes.

In "correcting" the damage done by humans, the sea will never return to it's prior state. That just isn't possible. Failed logic.

Fresh Water. Now you are talking sense. But then, there you go again...instead of outsourcing for water, why not conserve what we have and live sustainably?

Cypress - 5-12-2011 at 02:26 PM

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Originally posted by bajafam
Cypress ~ I have a friend in Tallahassee that ate squirrels. He absolutely loved them. But, you know, he didn't just shoot them to shoot them. He shot the ones he needed to eat. Sustainable.

Yea, they're really good, any way you fix 'em. Kinda remind me of frog legs.

baja1943 - 5-12-2011 at 02:36 PM

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Originally posted by Skeet/Loreto

Coyotes spread Disease of all kinds that can kill People, I prefer to see the People Live.

Did Coyotes spread smallpox among the aborigines? [injuns to you]

Bajafun777 - 5-12-2011 at 05:54 PM

LOL, Skeet it seems that helping someone out of pain brought on the whole world's trouble to you,LOL!! Jeez, Skeet doesn't have the huge fishing fleets that are coming from Japan and China taking way more than they can really use. Skeet is not causing the world's ozone issue like China and other countries are doing but America alone will solve it by not polluting, YEA RIGHT!! Have a little heart here as Skeet can only take soooo much negative attacks before he really enjoys these attacks, HMMMM?
By the way Skeet, You did the right thing and most of know back in the 70s there we no limits on fishing in a lot places. Take Care Amigos and remember being friendly to others never hurts you. Additionally, people should not mistake "Kindness for Weakness!" Enjoy the FUN TIMES before you are not able to amigos, as with every close call of death comes the oppurtunity to LIVE THE SWEET LIFE!! Take Care & Travel Safe--- "No Hurry, No Worry, Just FUN" bajafun777

Bajatripper - 5-14-2011 at 05:08 PM

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Originally posted by Skeet/Loreto
The Waters of the Sea of Cortez are the same since they Shut off the Colo. River. It did change the tides somewhat.,
I and I have a Degree and some experienc and I do not see "irreparable Damage to the Planet>
Look at how the Shrimp Industry has recovered and rasing Shrimp, the Salamon Industry,

Man, Skeet, so much ignorance in such a confined space.

Growing up in La Paz in the 1960s, I spent a lot of time on the malecon. One vivid memory I still have is of the huge schools of sardines that lived all along the shore. Take a walk with me along that same stretch of waterfront today and tell me nothing but the color of the water has changed. And if the sardines are gone, they're but an indicator of lots of other species that are also in deep trouble--just ask any oldtimer fisherman who lives off his catch.

Bet your degree isn't in anything remotely related to the environment.

PS Don't you get tired of self-congradulations? It really is meaningless, you know.

Bajatripper - 5-14-2011 at 05:12 PM

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Originally posted by baja1943

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Originally posted by Skeet/Loreto

Coyotes spread Disease of all kinds that can kill People, I prefer to see the People Live.

Did Coyotes spread smallpox among the aborigines? [injuns to you]

No, I heard they were responsible for spreading syphilis.

DENNIS - 5-14-2011 at 05:17 PM

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Originally posted by Bajatripper

Did Coyotes spread smallpox among the aborigines? [injuns to you]

No, I heard they were responsible for spreading syphilis.

Good one, Steve. You're starting to give Skeet credibility.

wessongroup - 5-14-2011 at 06:00 PM

Thanks tripper for the "flash back"... it must have been something.. never got over to the "other side" to see it at that time ... Cabo a few times for fishing starting in 86.. but not over "there" at that time.. we used to just camp, fish, clam and have nice fires... late 50's as kids ... on the other side