BajaNomad - NEW FISHING BOATS IN LB

NEW FISHING BOATS IN LB

BajaBlanca - 5-11-2011 at 10:15 PM

La Bocana is in the process of buying three new lanchas for all you fisherpeople out there and this is the first one = built in los barriles at a cost of $22,000.00

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Alan - 5-12-2011 at 12:24 AM

Sweet! What size Honda is pushing it? That sounds like a pretty good price for a new panga with a 4 stroke.

Lauriboats - 5-12-2011 at 06:19 AM

Very nice.

bigboy - 5-12-2011 at 06:24 AM

Without motor..........right?

shari - 5-12-2011 at 06:42 AM

sweet ride all right and I love the colour!!!

I have mixed feeling about the coop getting into the tourism business. On one hand, it makes it easier to get into business as opposed to a local guy because of the subsidies the cooperativas get...more guys will be working as captains. It is pretty darn hard for a normal mexican guy in a small village to come up with the cash to get all the gear, permits and insurance.

Usually there is a roll type of setup so every fisherman gets a turn which is fair....but...the problem here is that the client cant choose which captain he wants...you have to go out with the next guy on the list.
It is more difficult to make decisions if the whole coop has to have a meeting to agree on things too.

Often, fishing can be a personal thing and clients have a good relationship with their guides and clients like to choose who they go out with, if they speak english etc. The fishermen will most likely get paid way less too as the charter fees will go to the coop and the guide just paid a normal salary.

I also dont know how they will deal with fish caught. A big issue here is how in the past anglers can catch all the fish they want as they went to the coop but it is illegal to use sportsfish fish commercially. The fisheries officer commented that they would not be able to sell those fish as they did before so clients will have the same limits as other sportsfishing outfits and will have to have the biosphere reserve permits/bracelets too this year.

It will be interesting to see if they can make it in the tourism sector...suerte amigos! Blanca...will you be handling their enquiries and bookings?

BajaBlanca - 5-12-2011 at 07:05 AM

yes, it is with mixed feeling for us too but here is the scoop:

1. once the coop charged $400 to pick up a boat that was stuck out in the water. excessive cost and we were not happy about it.

2. another time some guests were at the beach, early inthe a.m. and no one ever went to meet them to take them fishing and did not have the courtesy to call beforehand.

:fire:

these types of behaviours will not happen again if the coop is handling affairs.

for sure the cost just went up, for sure the number of fish will be limited and unfortunately, we will only be able to take out personal friends on our boat ... changes changes changes

the good news is that they will, hopefully, be a lot more organized than they have been in the past !!

we will be happy to help anyone with info on the fishing procedures, as best we can, most of it is still up in the air .....

Les = bajaboncana@gmail.com
tel: 011 52 615 156-0056 (from the states)

mtgoat666 - 5-12-2011 at 10:25 AM

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Originally posted by shari
I have mixed feeling about the coop getting into the tourism business. On one hand, it makes it easier to get into business as opposed to a local guy because of the subsidies the cooperativas get...

shari:
curious. what are the subsidies?

shari - 5-12-2011 at 10:37 AM

Coops get cheaper gas and outboards.

tiotomasbcs - 5-12-2011 at 11:00 AM

I'm sorry, to me this does not sound good. Private boats charged for launching? Motivation must be...... I understand the Cooperativos are pretty successful, right? The Ejidos have never been very successful at Tourism---La Serenidad or Las Brisas in SJ del Cabo. I hope Blanca can get fishing permits as part of her B&B similar to Shari and Juan. Dare I say...Times they are a Changin. How much for a daily panga trip, Amiga. Good luck. Tio

shari - 5-12-2011 at 11:43 AM

where did you see about private boats charged for launching tio?
cooperativas are good at commercial fishing but sportsfishing is a whole new ball game. One must be organized, someone must do alot of correspondence, bookings etc, and know how to treat clients. I think they should hire Pam to teach them the ropes.

Getting all the permits required is really really tricky, time consuming and very expensive...nearly not worth it for the amount of business we do and such high overhead really doesnt make for much profit...plus I understand only locals can get permits in the biosphere reserve but once Blanca is a national maybe they can do that....I cant imagine that ONLY the cooperative can get a permit but who knows.

yellowklr - 5-12-2011 at 11:49 AM

They will still let you pick you capitan in la Bocana assuming he is available. The guys they are using are the guys who know sportfishing.....Domingo,Joaquin and juanchy

yellowklr - 5-12-2011 at 12:17 PM

Ok I have to chime in because I was the one towed in by the coop. This tow would of been well over 1000 dollars in california. The coop has treated us very well the last 7 years in la Bocana. I will say they need some serious help in the tourism area. You can ask three people a question and get 3 different answers. I have my own boat there but when I inquire for friends it's hard to ge consistent answers.
I hope it work out for them.

shari - 5-12-2011 at 12:17 PM

that would be great but you can bet other fishermen are gonna want in on the action...good news though.

yellowklr - 5-12-2011 at 12:26 PM

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Originally posted by shari
that would be great but you can bet other fishermen are gonna want in on the action...good news though.

Believe it or not the other guys would rather just fish commercial. Very little interest in taking out gringos. The commercial guys do very well so taking out customers doesn't really help them.
It's not like if they don't have customers they don't fish. These guys are working all the time.

dtbushpilot - 5-12-2011 at 05:31 PM

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Originally posted by yellowklr

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Originally posted by shari
that would be great but you can bet other fishermen are gonna want in on the action...good news though.

Let's wait till after the captains start getting nice tips from the fishermen to see who wants to be a sport fishing captain.....dt

msteve1014 - 5-12-2011 at 05:43 PM

The other men are somewhat jealous of the "extras" that Juanchy and Joaquin get from the gringos, but they have been working with the tourists for years, and have made a lot of friends. The other people have seen that helping the visitors will sometimes be rewarded, and sometimes not.

yellowklr - 5-12-2011 at 05:43 PM

It's already been happening (good tips)still not much interest. Maybe because they are able to sell all the fish they catch commercially but with the sportfishing most of it goes to the customers. Don't get me wrong there are a few guys who love the sportfishing thing but just a few. Bocana does real well for a small fishing village!!!

msteve1014 - 5-12-2011 at 05:53 PM

What do you meen "most of it goes to the customer"? Even I keep less than half, and I can't fish. :lol:

yellowklr - 5-12-2011 at 09:06 PM

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Originally posted by msteve1014
What do you meen "most of it goes to the customer"? Even I keep less than half, and I can't fish. :lol:

Something they need to work out for sure. How much the customer keeps. If it's a true sportfishing trip it should be ALL for the customer.
My point was that with the commercial trips it's all for the guys and no splitting with gringos.

tiotomasbcs - 5-13-2011 at 12:49 PM

Good local info. and insight. Guess they'll try it and we'll see. It's hard not to look at old pictures of fishing in Baja like in The Baja Catch or Tom Miller's Anglers Guide and not want to freeze time! :wow:

In Mexico things move slowly but they do move on. This area is a special place so lets enjoy it while we can. High gas prices may bring lots of fisherman this summer so the villagers may do well! Esperamos lo mejor! Tio

Eugenio - 5-13-2011 at 01:06 PM

I don't think I could get on a boat called the Chili Queen with a bunch of guys. Who's the genius who thought up that name?
(locals must be laughing their arses off)

yellowklr - 5-13-2011 at 02:20 PM

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Originally posted by tiotomasbcs
Good local info. and insight. Guess they'll try it and we'll see. It's hard not to look at old pictures of fishing in Baja like in The Baja Catch or Tom Miller's Anglers Guide and not want to freeze time! :wow:

Why would High gas prices bring more fisherman?

Bubba - 5-13-2011 at 02:25 PM

Nice fishin rig, very basic, just what I like.

backninedan - 5-13-2011 at 02:29 PM

I don't think the Chili Queen is a new panga, I often saw it in Loreto prior to it being sold.

Skeet/Loreto - 5-13-2011 at 02:40 PM

Dan: That sure looks like one of Diaz'z newer pangas. Any Idea of who it belonged to in Loreto??

Several and I mean Several years back in Loreto they Started a "Co-op for Tourist Fisherman.
' There were at least 20 locals that signed up and had the use of Boats. If a Tourist came in and was looking for to go Fishing he was referred to the Co-op. The next mexicano on the List was called and got the Job. Some where Taxi Drivers, Etc.
It did not last but about a years as people learned they were not fishing with the True Fisherman.

Sure is a Nice Panga.

Cypress - 5-13-2011 at 03:14 PM

Nice boat! The Mex. govt. is buying boats? Wonder where they got the money to do that? :lol:

Mexico is a welfare recipient of the good old USA.

flyfishinPam - 5-13-2011 at 04:10 PM

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Originally posted by Eugenio
I don't think I could get on a boat called the Chili Queen with a bunch of guys. Who's the genius who thought up that name?
(locals must be laughing their arses off)

that panga used to be in Loreto but in English I never thought of it that way, but now that you brought it up it is pretty hilarious

I do not agree with Shari's sentiments on cooperativas for tourism, they are beneficial and they can work, members can agree and with the experience that comes from doing the job over the years, they can become very successful and lift up the entire community.

tiotomasbcs - 5-13-2011 at 04:26 PM

Ylwklr, Baja would seem more attractive to me if gas hit's $5 bucks and the party boats along the coast have to hike prices, no? Also, long Range guys might consider driving down to fish here locally if the price of gas hits the ceiling! Bring the family, fish Loreto, East Cape/ Los Cabos for less dinero? Just a thot. In fact , it seems anywhere in Mexico would be a great deal this summer! I'm staying down for most of it. A/C, of course! Tio

BajaBlanca - 5-13-2011 at 06:32 PM

yellowklr has a VERY good understanding of the local community here - except for juanchys - joaquin - domingo ... I do not know of anyone else interested in fishing with gringoes since they are so happy with their regular "job" ... Our coop is very successful and all make a really good living.

all of this will be a new experience and hopefully much much smoother all around ... at least that is our hope .... no one knows how much going out will cost, who to contact for reservations, etc. yet but the meeting to decide all this is scheduled for this month.

we looked at the boat and it sure looks brand spanking new. I hope it is 'cause that's what everyone here believes.

redmesa - 5-13-2011 at 06:50 PM

I think this all sounds very exciting for your community. New endeavors... success or failure are worth a shot (of tequila that is). The option to change is stagnation and what fun is that. Good luck to La Bocana...I personally was completely impressed with the coop there.

yellowklr - 5-13-2011 at 06:56 PM

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Originally posted by tiotomasbcs
Ylwklr, Baja would seem more attractive to me if gas hit's $5 bucks and the party boats along the coast have to hike prices, no? Also, long Range guys might consider driving down to fish here locally if the price of gas hits the ceiling! Bring the family, fish Loreto, East Cape/ Los Cabos for less dinero? Just a thot. In fact , it seems anywhere in Mexico would be a great deal this summer! I'm staying down for most of it. A/C, of course! Tio

makes sense Tio....I fish baja because of the people and lack of crowds....but i can see people going to save the $$$ as well. I spend 5-7 weeks a year in baja and spend less than one Long Range trip out of San Diego!!!
Saludos

woody with a view - 5-13-2011 at 07:25 PM

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I fish baja because of the people and lack of crowds....

i surf baja because of the people and........ the fishing is an added bonus during the summer doldrums. hope to see you there D.

the first ballena is on the house.

yellowklr - 5-13-2011 at 07:52 PM

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Originally posted by woody with a view

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I fish baja because of the people and lack of crowds....

i surf baja because of the people and........ the fishing is an added bonus during the summer doldrums. hope to see you there D.

the first ballena is on the house.

Tell me when............Derek

woody with a view - 5-13-2011 at 07:57 PM

today the vacation request is for the strong tides last week of october. subject to change of course, depending on the vagaries of the wind, swell, and where the fish counts are most abundant.....

nothing prevents us from a quickie on the new BocanaAirlines. keep us in mind.

shari - 5-14-2011 at 07:18 AM

I agree Pam....cooperativas CAN work IF they have good directors, training and infastructure...I just expressed mixed feelings on a fishing coop getting into tourism. In some areas, tourism coops have been formed and are doing well. Success of a coop depends on many things.

Sounds like La Bocana coop is moving a a good direction and time will tell how well they do.

Pescador - 5-16-2011 at 07:19 AM

Yellowkiller is right, most of the fishermen would much rather go fishing, come in sell the fish, and be done with it. It takes a lot of understanding, willingness and openness to want to do any guiding. Most of the people coming down want to fish like in the old days where they paid $50 for the day and gave a whopping $5 tip for cleaning the days catch, they were loud and boisterous and had a tendency to be pretty negative if the fish did not cooperate and they could not fill the boat with fish. My hat is off to guys like Juan Arce (Shari"s guy) , Juanchy, Juaquin, and Domingo, that are able to pull this off and have some fun doing it. Guiding is hard work and takes more "psychology" than fishing skill.
Having a Lupe Diaz Panga should make a big difference as that is one of the best hulls ever designed for the Baja and Sea of Cortez so it will be interesting to see how well it does in La Bocana where the swell is normally a little longer. I have fished this hull out of Mag Bay and it did very well, so it should be a real hit in Bocana.

dtbushpilot - 5-16-2011 at 07:29 AM

That boat was sitting out in front of Diaz shop in Los Barriles for at least a few weeks....it's sweet....dt

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