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Former mayor Jorge Hank, arrested in Tijuana

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JESSE - 6-4-2011 at 10:46 AM

IJUANA — The Mexican military this morning detained former mayor Jorge Hank Rhon on firearms charges at his residence near the Agua Caliente racetrack, authorities said.

http://www.signonsandiego.com/news/2011/jun/04/mexican-milit...

woody with a view - 6-4-2011 at 11:53 AM

he must have enemies, no?

must have forgot to inform the Jefe which ones he had?

Von - 6-4-2011 at 11:54 AM

:lol:

Woooosh - 6-4-2011 at 12:08 PM

He had over 50 guns at the house and they arrested his head of security as well. Seems like a former TJ Mayor and owner of the Xolos soccer team should have the permits needed for his security team to have the guns around to protect him. Maybe too many? lol. The only part I have a problem with is no-warrant searches and seizures by the military based on simply a "citizen complaint." That leaves everyone open to this type of abuse- not that I feel bad for ole "feed them to my lions" Hank.

[Edited on 6-4-2011 by Woooosh]

woody with a view - 6-4-2011 at 12:15 PM

you don't have 4th amendment rights unless you sneak across, or just get here PERIOD.

DENNIS - 6-4-2011 at 12:27 PM

This guy is used to making his own rules. His father taught him how to do it.
Years back, maybe fifteen or so, when his daddy was still alive and one of the most powerful people in DF, Jorge was apprehended in the Mexico City airport [I think it was in DF] with a bunch of prohibited items. He was returning from the Orient with lots of Ivory....carved and otherwise.

Well....the world got wind of the story and, oh oh, so did his father and the authorities were caught between that rock and a hard place. They had a problem which they couldn't easily dismiss so they pondered for a while, then came up with the solution. They said all the contraband was artificial and no laws were broken.

That was in the days that the government could say anything they wanted and no one could dispute it...succesfully, anyway.

Woooosh - 6-4-2011 at 01:05 PM

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Originally posted by woody with a view
you don't have 4th amendment rights unless you sneak across, or just get here PERIOD.

It's not called the 4th Amendment down here- but searches without warrants are supposed to be illegal in Mexico. :rolleyes:

Bajahowodd - 6-4-2011 at 01:43 PM

According to this source, they seized 88 weapons and a chitload of ammo.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/huff-wires/20110604/lt-mexico-...

jenny.navarrette - 6-4-2011 at 02:36 PM

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Originally posted by Woooosh
It's not called the 4th Amendment down here- but searches without warrants are supposed to be illegal in Mexico. :rolleyes:

That's not how it went down.

The official story in the Mexican press does not indicate there was any civil rights violations in Hank's arrest. A citizen reported some armed men outside the hotel Palacio. The military went there, saw the armed men and arrested them. No laws broken there. If you see an armed person on the street, you can arrest him without a warrant as it is a probably crime in progress. The arrested men said the arms were stored in a house in Colonia Hipódromo.

The military went to the house and they staked it out. They observed armed men outside the house who then entered the house. The military followed them inside. No warrant needed, there was a crime in progress (violation of Mexican federal firearms and explosives law) and it was a hot pursuit.

LaTijereta - 6-4-2011 at 02:48 PM

He should have stuck to driving in the Baja 500 today down in Ensenada :lol:

JoeJustJoe - 6-4-2011 at 03:11 PM

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Originally posted by Woooosh

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Originally posted by woody with a view
you don't have 4th amendment rights unless you sneak across, or just get here PERIOD.

It's not called the 4th Amendment down here- but searches without warrants are supposed to be illegal in Mexico. :rolleyes:

I'm no Hank Rhon fan but clearly it looks like Rhon's Mexican Constitutional rights were broken when the Mexican military broke into his house while he was sleeping on something as flimsy as a citizen complaint/tip.

Yes Mexico has strong Mexican constitutionally rights in your own home like the USA use too. ( see the latest US Supreme court ruling where the allow US cops to "Knock & Raid your house if they suspect/hear you trying to destroy evidence in your own house) It's not right when the police could break into your house in either country the US or Mexico without very strong evidence something illegal is going down.

I don't know what Jenny has been reading, and you notice she doesn't provide a link to her story. But the Baja newspapers are coming out with a lot of stories about this incident all saying something a little bit different. I even saw a story that said drugs were found too! We will probably have to wait a little while before all the right facts come out.

Here is just one story from the "AFN-Tijuana" and they do mention a citizen complaint:

http://www.afntijuana.info/nota_informativa2011.php?page=jun...

[Edited on 6-4-2011 by JoeJustJoe]

jenny.navarrette - 6-4-2011 at 03:45 PM

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quote]Originally posted by JoeJustJoe
I don't know what Jenny has been reading, and you notice she doesn't provide a link to her story.

Jenny has been reading the official news release by the Mexican Attorney General on the incident, which has now been published on the front page of every single newspaper in Mexico. That includes every single Tijuana newspaper you claim to read every day.

Too bad you don't read Spanish, esse. Maybe you can wait for an Arabic translation.

http://www.milenio.com/cdb/doc/noticias2011/9ded8090ad60334b...

Woooosh - 6-4-2011 at 03:48 PM

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Originally posted by jenny.navarrette

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Originally posted by Woooosh
It's not called the 4th Amendment down here- but searches without warrants are supposed to be illegal in Mexico. :rolleyes:

That help me understand. So not so much a "citizen's complaint" against Hank as his men being "stupid in plain sight". The "guards"(presumably trusted employees) really were stupid enough to lead the military back to Hank's house when more men were being "stupid in plain sight"? I'll be he's peeed.

BajaGringo - 6-5-2011 at 10:28 AM

The more this plays out in the press, it appears that this may be more politically motivated than just stemming from a simple "citizens report of seeing arms". No matter what you think of Hank Rhon, it would be a very sad thing if the military was allowing itself to be used this way...

DENNIS - 6-5-2011 at 10:46 AM

Some people don't deserve civil rights. To this day, I can't understand how he got elected as mayor in TJ. It scares me to believe the majority of the electorate agree with his conduct.

BajaGringo - 6-5-2011 at 11:59 AM

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Originally posted by DENNIS
Some people don't deserve civil rights. To this day, I can't understand how he got elected as mayor in TJ. It scares me to believe the majority of the electorate agree with his conduct.

He is a "character" to say the least.

I got to meet him a couple of times back when he was mayor. I remember on one visit he had these huge dogs roaming around in his office while conducting city business. As far as civil rights, I understand where you are coming from, but then I ask who decides who gets them or who doesn't?

Very slippery slope. Even when dealing with a "character" like this with some very dark rumors that follow him.

It will be interesting to see how this does play out over the next several days. The original story that was published on how this all came down is changing...

jenny.navarrette - 6-5-2011 at 12:07 PM

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Originally posted by BajaGringo
The more this plays out in the press, it appears that this may be more politically motivated than just stemming from a simple "citizens report of seeing arms". No matter what you think of Hank Rhon, it would be a very sad thing if the military was allowing itself to be used this way...

23 years ago, on April 20, 1988, Hank Rhon's security chief, Antonio Vera Palestina, murdered the founder of Zeta magazine, Héctor “El Gato” Félix Miranda. Vera was sentenced to 25-years in prison for the murder. Hank Rhon was never tried for that murder.

The US cancelled Hank Rhon's visa to enter the US in January 2009 under suspicion of being involved in illegal drug activities.

In October of 2009, the military tried to enter the very same home after seeing armed men enter, but were stopped by local Tijuana police.

BajaGringo - 6-5-2011 at 12:17 PM

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I am no big fan of Jorge but nothing you state there changes the possibility that this could have been purely political. Since I know that you can read Spanish "Jenny"...

Agencia Fronteriza de Noticas

jenny.navarrette - 6-5-2011 at 12:27 PM

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Originally posted by BajaGringo
I am no big fan of Jorge but nothing you state there changes the possibility that this could have been purely political. Since I know that you can read Spanish "Jenny"...

Agencia Fronteriza de Noticas

How does an op-ed piece change anything? Are you saying when a person is arrested for violation of the Federal Law on Firearms and Explosives, it is purely a political move? Are you saying if Hank Rhon was a member of the PAN party they would not have arrested him? Are you saying laws are selectively enforced in Mexico based upon a person's political affiliation?

David K - 6-5-2011 at 12:30 PM

In May of 2005 during the Tastes of Tijuana tour we were on, Mayor Jorge Hank visited with us at the hotel in Tijuana... Here is a photo I took of him with my web host's esposa:

TijuanaFun.jpg - 36kB

BajaGringo - 6-5-2011 at 12:30 PM

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As if you were so naive. God knows that would never happen north of the border...

:rolleyes:

JESSE - 6-5-2011 at 12:42 PM

I am one of those that thinks Hank should probably be in jail, but this is obviously politically motivated. The goverment could have arrested Hank for these same charges 10 years ago, why didnt they?

Now, from what i have learned, most of the guns do have proper permits, because they where the guns used by his security guards.

In my opinion, this is already backfiring for Calderon, and not because Hank is innocent, or a good guy, but because Calderon is acting like old PRI presidents, and people d0nt like that.

BajaGringo - 6-5-2011 at 12:44 PM

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Originally posted by JESSE
I am one of those that thinks Hank should probably be in jail, but this is obviously politically motivated. The goverment could have arrested Hank for these same charges 10 years ago, why didnt they?

Now, from what i have learned, most of the guns do have proper permits, because they where the guns used by his security guards.

In my opinion, this is already backfiring for Calderon, and not because Hank is innocent, or a good guy, but because Calderon is acting like old PRI presidents, and people d0nt like that.

Exactly...

DENNIS - 6-5-2011 at 01:27 PM

THE DOCUMENTS THE GOVERNMENT
DIDN'T WANT YOU TO SEE!
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http://www.customscorruption.com/white_tiger/operation.htm

jenny.navarrette - 6-5-2011 at 02:23 PM

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Originally posted by BajaGringo
As if you were so naive. God knows that would never happen north of the border...

So here we are once again. Faced with the insurmountable task of trying to prove his opinion by citing the opinions of others, Bajagringo pivots 90 degrees and now accuses the US of similar activities. While heretofore the US was not a subject of Bajagringo's theory that Hank Rhon's arrest was politically motivated, he felt it necessary to run this red herring through the debate.

Opinions are not facts. They are opinions. You can bring in all the opinions you want. It changes nothing. And if you really want to bring in political motivation as the reason for Rhon's arrest, why not consider that there must have been political reasons for the failure to arrest and prosecute him for the murder of Vega? It is just as possible that he was arrested this time for the LACK of political motivations to protect him, n' est cepas?

A Handwritten Letter From Hank Rhon

jenny.navarrette - 6-5-2011 at 03:09 PM

Handwritten letter from Hank Rhon. Short translation: "I didn't do it. Nobody saw me do it. You can't prove anything."

http://www.afnbc.com/imagenes/carta_hank.jpg
http://www.afnbc.com/imagenes/carta_hank2.jpg

Woooosh - 6-5-2011 at 03:44 PM

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Originally posted by jenny.navarrette
Handwritten letter from Hank Rhon. Short translation: "I didn't do it. Nobody saw me do it. You can't prove anything."

http://www.afnbc.com/imagenes/carta_hank.jpg
http://www.afnbc.com/imagenes/carta_hank2.jpg

Anyone who thinks technology and transparency cannot or will not force change upon Mexico are wrong. In Hank's own hand no less (not that he said much). Is Hank seen as a liability to his party? Who would benefit? No TJ police were given a heads-up to protect him from the military this time.

[Edited on 6-6-2011 by Woooosh]

JoeJustJoe - 6-6-2011 at 12:15 PM

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Woooosh it sounds like you believe this was done by Rhon's own party, but then again it also sounds like you believe Jenny's take and that this was a legitimate bust, and you continue to believe the Mexican military can do no wrong.

From the non stop stories in the Mexican press there are many including the Tijuana major Carlos Bustamante that believe the arrest of Hank Rhon was political motivated and the fingers are pointing to the PAN party that will probably lose to the PRI party in many election seats in 2012 because people are tired of Calderon's/USA "war on drugs." Certainly the Mexican military stands a better chance of continuing their human right abuse on Mexican citizens, and still losing the "war on drugs' if the PAN party wins the governors seat as well as other seats so they could continue the 'war on drugs."

Of course these stories are opinion based, but I wouldn't exactly take the words of corrupt government sources either espeically that big mouth General Alfonso Duarte Mugica will be releasing his official statement soon. The Loud mouthed General has also concluded that the military is winning the war on drugs, and has the drug cartels on the run. I personally wouldn't believe one word out of the mouth of the General or any Mexican official if they have a vested interest in this case.

I don't know about you Woooosh. But I have a problem when armed thugs from the Mexican military are breaking into homes in the middle of the night without warrant even if it's Hank Rhon house. Perhaps the next house will be yours Wooosh espeically when they get an autonomous tip their are weapons and drugs in your house.( What's you address?)

I really like some of the comments following these Hank Rhon articles espeically when they recite the Mexican Constitution:

http://www.afntijuana.info/nota_informativa2011.php?page=jun...

Mexico: where politics is performance art

jenny.navarrette - 6-6-2011 at 01:52 PM

Take a look at these demonstrators in support of Hank Rhon near the Hippodrome. Notice anything?

...all the signs are in the same handwriting. These are paid PRI people posing for the cameras.

DENNIS - 6-6-2011 at 02:11 PM

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Originally posted by jenny.navarrette
Take a look at these demonstrators in support of Hank Rhon near the Hippodrome. Notice anything?

They're all fat, just like Jorge. I think that says it all.

Bajahowodd - 6-6-2011 at 04:24 PM

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Originally posted by DENNIS

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Originally posted by jenny.navarrette
Take a look at these demonstrators in support of Hank Rhon near the Hippodrome. Notice anything?

They're all fat, just like Jorge. I think that says it all.

I find somewhat interesting that while the US and most of Europe seem to be drifting to the right politically, over the recent years, Latin America has decidedly drifted leftward.

Much of what is happening in the US can be explained by the writings of one Richard Hofstadter, who wrote "Anti-intellectualism in American Life" in 1964.

There was a time when the right wing/ Republicans/ Conservatives were served well by intellectuals such as William Krystol and William F. Buckley.

Alas, they have been replaced by the likes of Glen Beck, Sean Hannity and all the nut job goobers in Congress who hew to the so-called agenda proposed by the Koch Brothers.

It has been a major conspiracy accomplished by a wealthy few to gain heretofore unparalleled power.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/ariel-gonzalez/sarah-palin-and...

I'm no fan of Hugo Chavez, but given what the US has been doing, who can blame Venezualans for voting for him?

[Edited on 6-6-2011 by Bajahowodd]

Woooosh - 6-6-2011 at 04:45 PM

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Hey Joe. This is still a developing story and my comments are based on what we know at each discovery. In the beginning I was (and still are) uncomfortable with a no warrant search/arrest. But Hank's house was invaded only after his own men got busted with guns at his hotel and led the military back. When they got to Hank's and saw more men with guns they considered it a crime-in-progress and went in for Hank.

Now that the dust has settled a a bit on the facts, there are some interesting tidbits: where was Hank's head of security? He wasn't at the house, wasn't included in the ten men arrested and still hasn't been located. How come the TJ police didn't step up and protect Hank from the military like they did the last time this happened? Did no one give the TJ police the word as this was going down? None of them even noticed? Why didn't Hank's Xolos partner give him more support and public leverage instead of saying the Xolos development won't be affected. He should have said the future of the franchise is dependent on Hank's invaluable contributions and participation, no? It all just seems too convenient to be co-incidence.

How long did Hank think it would take for the military to catch up to the July09 wiki-leak that basically said Hank runs the Plaza and it the main guy for money laundering in town? This was DURING the huge crime wave of 2007 and 2008 that started the slow motion train wreck and death of Baja Norte tourism. Today he is either an asset or a liability to his political party and business partners. Maybe he got too big for his political britches- no matter who his family is. Looks like someone is furthering their ambitions at Hanks expense though.

A citizen complaint caused all this? I wonder who that un-named person was and why they called the military instead of the TJ police in the first place.

[Edited on 6-7-2011 by Woooosh]

[Edited on 6-7-2011 by Woooosh]

jenny.navarrette - 6-6-2011 at 07:44 PM

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Originally posted by JoeJustJoe
Woooosh it sounds like you believe this was done by Rhon's own party, but then again it also sounds like you believe Jenny's take and that this was a legitimate bust, and you continue to believe the Mexican military can do no wrong.

Oh look. Ahab the Arab is telling us all what other people think. No sense in posting anymore, Mustaffa can post what we are thinking for us.

Cuts down on the crosstalk. Hey Youssef, what am I thinking right now?

putz putz putz putz putz

woody with a view - 6-6-2011 at 07:48 PM

without a warrant or not, i'm gonna put my neck out and say that those weapons and ammo weren't put there by the snitch, right?

if you have nothing to hide.....

The Island of Jorge Hank Rhon

jenny.navarrette - 6-6-2011 at 11:08 PM

http://www.laweekly.com/2006-02-16/news/the-island-of-jorge-...

BajaNomad - 6-7-2011 at 05:07 AM

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Originally posted by jenny.navarrette
http://www.laweekly.com/2006-02-16/news/the-island-of-jorge-...

http://forums.bajanomad.com/viewthread.php?tid=15604

:biggrin:

[Edited on 6-7-2011 by BajaNomad]

JoeJustJoe - 6-7-2011 at 12:50 PM

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Originally posted by Woooosh

Hey Joe. This is still a developing story and my comments are based on what we know at each discovery. In the beginning I was (and still are) uncomfortable with a no warrant search/arrest. But Hank's house was invaded only after his own men got busted with guns at his hotel and led the military back. When they got to Hank's and saw more men with guns they considered it a crime-in-progress and went in for Hank.

Now that the dust has settled a a bit on the facts, there are some interesting tidbits: where was Hank's head of security? He wasn't at the house, wasn't included in the ten men arrested and still hasn't been located. How come the TJ police didn't step up and protect Hank from the military like they did the last time this happened? Did no one give the TJ police the word as this was going down? None of them even noticed? Why didn't Hank's Xolos partner give him more support and public leverage instead of saying the Xolos development won't be affected. He should have said the future of the franchise is dependent on Hank's invaluable contributions and participation, no? It all just seems too convenient to be co-incidence.

How long did Hank think it would take for the military to catch up to the July09 wiki-leak that basically said Hank runs the Plaza and it the main guy for money laundering in town? This was DURING the huge crime wave of 2007 and 2008 that started the slow motion train wreck and death of Baja Norte tourism. Today he is either an asset or a liability to his political party and business partners. Maybe he got too big for his political britches- no matter who his family is. Looks like someone is furthering their ambitions at Hanks expense though.

A citizen complaint caused all this? I wonder who that un-named person was and why they called the military instead of the TJ police in the first place.

Wooosh why do you continue to parrot Jenny's dubious line that the Mexican Military got it right this time, and this was a legitimate bust on Hank Rhon's residence because the military had probably cause when they busted the three men with guns at the hotel which led them back to the compound?

Wooosh I know you read the "AFN" article where it said that one of the men arrested before the raid, Juan Ignacio Parra Santos, said he didn't even know Hank Rhon, nor that he worked for him.

In fact Juan said he was actually arrested the night before while waiting to pick up his brother when the Mexican Lucha libre looking masked thugs dressed like civilians and they were accompanied by military personnel. Then they by force put Juan into a military vehicle and took him back to the military barracks where he met the other two men who BTW Juan said he didn't know either. Juan claims all three of them were there until at least till 5 AM, and par on course Juan claimed the military tried to get a forced confession from him. ( I'm just surprised they didn't torture him)

If Juan's story is true, and I'll take Juan's story before I would believe the known torturers of the Mexican military. Then there is no way the three could have led them to the Rhon's compound.

I know Woooosh knows about this story because Maggie over at her Madhouse also covered this ongoing story, and Woooosh made a few comments over there. The chemically imbalanced Marjorie for once is doing a great job covering the Hank Rhon's story, and presenting both sides of the argument, and keeping her dumb opinions out of it. But I would caution against reading any one blogger regarding Mexico because I don't know any blogger without their own agenda.

Even if you don't know Spanish. You're better off going directly to the Mexican papers like AFN, El Mexicano, el sol Tijuana, and just to the right of the news webpage you'll see where it says: " Translate this page," and if you click it......it will automatically translate the article for you, and you'll at least get the gist of the story. Don't depend on bloggers that cover Mexico or the San Diego Union that barely even cover these stories, and they themselves really just translate the Baja articles and then puts them in the San Diego paper.

Here is the story Wooosh conveniently ignored:

http://www.afntijuana.info/nota_informativa2011.php?page=jun...

It seems more and more of this Hank Rhon arrest looks to be another " Desafuero" game. Where they tie up the election front runner with bogus criminal charges so they can't run in any election until their legal criminal case is cleared up. They did the same thing to Andrés Manuel López Obrador before the 2006 elections, but the people in Mexico didn't stand for it. However, Hank Rhon is no AMLO, and most people believe Rhon is corrupt as all hell.

JESSE - 6-7-2011 at 01:11 PM

Security videos from Hanks home show that when the military arrived, there was no armed men at the entrance like the military claims. Because of those supposed armed men, the military says they had cause to go into the home.

jenny.navarrette - 6-7-2011 at 01:39 PM

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Security videos from Hanks home show that when the military arrived, there was no armed men at the entrance like the military claims. Because of those supposed armed men, the military says they had cause to go into the home.

Yeah, but that is not the official story. The official sotry is that they sent undercover people to watch the place and spotted men with guns. Then they organized a military action to raid the place. The only way videos will do Hank any good, is if they produce a few weeks worth without any gaps to show there was never anybody with guns prancing around.

In only 48 hours everybody has already forgotten that la señora de Hank said the weapons in her home were all permitted and used for the racetrack. Then Hank spoke from DF and said he never saw those weapons. Then his lawyers reminded la señora de Hank of what the story was and she did a reversal the next day and said there were no weapons in her house.

Imagine that.

The latest rumor is that they are tying in the weapons found in Hank's home to weapons smuggled into Mexico with the Fast and Furious program the US was running to catch gun smugglers. If they extradite Hank to the US, his chances of buying his way out of jail drop to around zero.

jenny.navarrette - 6-7-2011 at 01:47 PM

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If Juan's story is true, and I'll take Juan's story before I would believe the known torturers of the Mexican military. Then there is no way the three could have led them to the Rhon's compound.

Juan's story is totally irrelevant. Why can't your disjointed, dysfunctional mind work through the facts in a linear fashion? The other two were the real deal and they led the military to Hank's. What is the matter with your head? Why do you think if one man's story does not fit, the story of the two other people he happened to be sitting next to doesn't fit either?

Why does your mind leapfrog over facts that do not fit and only make connections between the facts you choose? You draw invisible lines between dots and say they connect.

Woooosh - 6-7-2011 at 01:55 PM

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I think you should wait for more facts to emerge before attacking people who are simply commenting on the information released so far. We are all just speculating with the tidbits of info we have- well except for you- who is all knowing (of even my thoughts apparently). You make it sound like corruption is a political liability in this country. Clearly it isn't and hasn't been.

[Edited on 6-7-2011 by Woooosh]

BajaGringo - 6-7-2011 at 03:23 PM

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Originally posted by Woooosh
I think you should wait for more facts to emerge before attacking people who are simply commenting on the information released so far.

Why should anybody have to "attack" anybody on any of this kind of stuff anyway? Why has it become almost impossible lately to hold a civil debate? Everybody has an opinion and if we could debate such issues and differences of opinion in a civil way I would probably stick around and add my two cents. When it sinks down to childish name calling I simply lose interest.

There are a lot of better ways to invest my time...

DENNIS - 6-7-2011 at 03:49 PM

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Originally posted by BajaGringo
Why should anybody have to "attack" anybody on any of this kind of stuff anyway?

Well..they don't have to, but if their point is weak, they think it will give it credibility.
If it weren't for Woooosh, this thread should have gone to OT a long time ago.
Maybe there's still hope for proper processing of sewage.

Woooosh - 6-7-2011 at 04:04 PM

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Why should anybody have to "attack" anybody on any of this kind of stuff anyway?

Huh?

DENNIS - 6-7-2011 at 04:07 PM

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Huh? :?:

You're the only one here I listen to.

Woooosh - 6-7-2011 at 04:12 PM

LOL.

JESSE - 6-7-2011 at 04:23 PM

Its a difficult situation. Hank deserves jail, but was he legally arrested? if the Mex goverment releases the man, forget about putting him back in jail ever again.

DENNIS - 6-7-2011 at 04:30 PM

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Originally posted by JESSE
Its a difficult situation. Hank deserves jail, but was he legally arrested? if the Mex goverment releases the man, forget about putting him back in jail ever again.

If the arrest was illegal, he skates. Why not?
Maybe someday the government will get their chiiit together and do it right.
Besides....Hank could have staged the whole thing.

Woooosh - 6-7-2011 at 05:00 PM

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Originally posted by JESSE
Its a difficult situation. Hank deserves jail, but was he legally arrested? if the Mex goverment releases the man, forget about putting him back in jail ever again.

If released, they'll just Martyr him in the name of the Xolos. :saint:

BajaGringo - 6-7-2011 at 06:10 PM

It was just announced on the news down here that Hank was released from custody this afternoon, with the investigation continuing...

Woooosh - 6-7-2011 at 07:59 PM

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Originally posted by BajaGringo
It was just announced on the news down here that Hank was released from custody this afternoon, with the investigation continuing...

I think his house was released from custody actually.

El Hankazo

jenny.navarrette - 6-7-2011 at 08:03 PM

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Originally posted by BajaGringo
It was just announced on the news down here that Hank was released from custody this afternoon, with the investigation continuing...

Not so, he's still being held. The government has 96-hours to either charge Hank and arraign him or release him. They have until tomorrow, I think they will probably take it up to the deadline. They will probably charge him, as the alleged crimes are very serious ones. If he is charged, they can then hold him for another 40 days, which can be extended again and again.

By the way, this incident now has a name: "El Hankazo"

BajaGringo - 6-7-2011 at 09:11 PM

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It was just announced on the news down here that Hank was released from custody this afternoon, with the investigation continuing...

I think his house was released from custody actually.

Just checked and you are right - that's what I get listening to the news while driving with the window down. I do hope they come up with something concrete and decisive to charge him with by the end of the day tomorrow. It will take that to stop all this partisan fighting going on, in and out of the press....

BajaGringo - 6-8-2011 at 06:51 AM

Ex-Tijuana mayor charged with having illegal guns

Associated Press
Wednesday June 8, 2011 6:28 AM

MEXICO CITY – Mexican federal prosecutors have charged a flamboyant former Tijuana mayor with illegal weapons possession.

Deputy Attorney General Patricia Bugarin says Jorge Hank Rhon has been transferred from detention in Mexico City to a prison in the border city of Tecate.

Hank Rhon was arrested Saturday when troops found 40 rifles, 48 handguns, 9,298 bullets, 70 ammunition clips and a gas grenade at his Tijuana home near the casino he owns.

Bugarin said Wednesday Hank Rhon legally owned 10 of the weapons

Mexican law limits ownership of powerful firearms to the military and requires licensing of most other guns. Violations can be punished by as long as 15 years in prison.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20110608/ap_on_re_la_am_ca/lt_mexico_tijuana_ex_mayor

JoeJustJoe - 6-8-2011 at 11:54 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by jenny.navarrette
Take a look at these demonstrators in support of Hank Rhon near the Hippodrome. Notice anything?

...all the signs are in the same handwriting. These are paid PRI people posing for the cameras.

Hey Jenny how about this picture below with a few thousand Mexicans protesting the injustice towards Hank Rhon? Are all these Mexicans employed by Hank Rhon too, and did your hand writing analyzing conclude all the signs are made by the same Rhon shill?

It's good to see so many Mexicans taking an interest in the political process and protesting in the streets even if it's for Hank Rhon. Clearly it looks like a majority of Mexican and in the Mexican press believe the case against Hank Rhon is politically motivated, and believe whatever "facts" there are in this case are only trumped-up charges. However, we have people like Jenny who believe there are real facts here and we have the goose-stepping Woooosh go along with everything that Jenny says and the so-called facts.

The good news is Hank Rhon isn't being charged with an "organized crime" charge, and he will be back near his home in a Tecate jail, however he is still facing the possession Federal Firearms charge, and that could mean serious jail time. At this time it's unclear he will be let out on bail?

It looks like the real politicians in both Mexico and the US could learn from Hank Rhon and some gangsters from the past. Some of these Hank Rhon types do sometimes take care of the poor with social programs and food for those poor people in the local community. In turn the poor show their gratitude for the politicians they perceive as helping them. Often the real politicians in both the US and Mexico are worst than the gangsters because they only help the super wealthy, and the multinational corporations while leaving the poor to fend for themselves.

[img]http://media.signonsandiego.com/img/photos/2011/06/08/hanksergiocrowd_t352.JPG?980751187beea6fc26a3a9e93795d379f58af1c4[/img]

jenny.navarrette - 6-8-2011 at 01:31 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by JoeJustJoe
Hey Jenny how about this picture below with a few thousand Mexicans protesting the injustice towards Hank Rhon? Are all these Mexicans employed by Hank Rhon too, and did your hand writing analyzing conclude all the signs are made by the same Rhon shill?

Hey Joe, don't you ever get tired of stepping on your pinger? This was an orchestrated media event. Nothing spontaneous about it.

All the same handwriting #1:

Same pink signs #2:

Same handwriting and drawing on signs #3:

Amazing coincindence #4:

What a coincidence, they all showed up to protest in the same shirt:

[Edited on 6-8-2011 by BajaNomad]

Woooosh - 6-8-2011 at 01:40 PM

Hey Joe. You are quickly becoming unworthy of response. You call me "goose-stepping" by following a Jenny I don't even know. There are lots of ways to say a person on a message board shares another's view on a topic without the ugly "goose-stepping" connotations.

Why so belligerent about this case? If the entry to the house was illegal, that will come out. Hank should have had 10 firearms at the house- which is what his permits were for. I really don't doubt that Hank didn't know there was a stash of weapons at his house, but he's still responsible for his premises. Security people love guns and weaponry and probably got carried away with their collection- it doesn't mean Hank knew... but he's still responsible for his house. They did find weapons reserved "for the exclusive use of the military"- so someone def got carried away. How much Hank knew about the guns at his house and how willing the 10 other men arrested are to fall on their swords for Hank will have an impact on the case.

Don't cry for Hank- there is no shame in Mexico. If convicted he will "break out" and hang out in Argentina with the other Mexican Billionaire on the run, El Chapo- although the two are very unlikely travel partners.

[Edited on 6-8-2011 by Woooosh]

JESSE - 6-8-2011 at 02:20 PM

Looks like Hank is f*****!!! :lol:

DENNIS - 6-8-2011 at 02:27 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by JESSE
Looks like Hank is f*****!!! :lol:

Couldn't happen to a nicer guy. ByeBye.

BajaNomad - 6-8-2011 at 02:42 PM

"The political commentator Denise Maerker noted this week that the top officials of PRI have not risen to Hank’s defense and have sent their surrogates out to make statements. 'They haven’t said anything that will compromise them,' Maeker wrote. 'This is a wise strategy.'"

http://www.washingtonpost.com/world/americas/former-tijuana-...

JoeJustJoe - 6-8-2011 at 02:43 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by luv2fish
WHAT'S A pinger ??? LOOKS LIKE WE HAVE SOME CSI PERSONAL ON FORUM. HI YALL...... :fire:

Yeah it looks like Jenny has been watching CSI too much and no doubt spent more than one hour researching the picture of the Rhon's protest in a vain attempt to get the readers here on the "Nomad" forum to believe the thousands of Mexican protestors are just shills, and one person with writing cramps wrote all those hundreds of signs.

I bet if Jenny watched the basketball playoffs yesterday of Dallas vs Miami that Jenny saw all those blue t-shirts and thought it was a Mark Cuban conspiracy of forcing all the Maverick fans to wear a blue T-shirt, and not something that the Dallas fans wanted to do in order to show their support for their favorite team.

The fact is that for whatever reason many people in the Baja/Tijuana region love Hank Rhon of the PRI party and believe Rhon created many jobs in the area, and started some really good social programs to feed the poor.

Dennis in another post was astonished the the citizens of Tijuana and Baja could have even voted for Hank Rhon for mayor, and I myself often wonder that myself. But I also wonder how the citizens in the USA voted for George Bush not just once, but twice?

The people of Baja should be voting for their own governor of Baja and shouldn't be having other political parties interfering in the process, and Mexico has a history of doing these types of things right before elections and I'm pretty sure Jenny knows that.

[Edited on 6-9-2011 by JoeJustJoe]

DENNIS - 6-8-2011 at 02:54 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by JoeJustJoe
Dennis in another post was astonished the the citizens of Tijuana and Baja could have even voted for Hank Rhon for mayor, and I myself often wonder that myself. But I also wonder how the citizens in the USA voted for George Bush not just once, but twice?

Another of life's great mysteries, Joe. Couldn't agree more although he's looking better today than he ever did while in office. It only took the present situation to illustrate that.

Pinger

Dave - 6-8-2011 at 02:55 PM

Too funny!

We're saved. Nothing gets past Doug. :rolleyes:

Woooosh - 6-8-2011 at 03:03 PM

The masses of the poor are always supportive of those who provide for them. They don't care if he is flawed. Why should they? The "non-flawed" politicians have never done anything for them worth a vote. They pulled their red Hank07 shirts out of the hamper and hit the streets. The golden rule still prevails though: he who has the gold- rules. While Hank was pandering to the poor for governor votes he flushed the tourism and real estate industries down the tubes by creating public security chaos which led to the present demise of the tourism and real estate industries in Baja Norte. There weren't enough red shirts to elect him governor though...

JoeJustJoe - 6-8-2011 at 03:31 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Woooosh
Hey Joe. You are quickly becoming unworthy of response. You call me "goose-stepping" by following a Jenny I don't even know. There are lots of ways to say a person on a message board shares another's view on a topic without the ugly "goose-stepping" connotations.

Why so belligerent about this case? If the entry to the house was illegal, that will come out. Hank should have had 10 firearms at the house- which is what his permits were for. I really don't doubt that Hank didn't know there was a stash of weapons at his house, but he's still responsible for his premises. Security people love guns and weaponry and probably got carried away with their collection- it doesn't mean Hank knew... but he's still responsible for his house. They did find weapons reserved "for the exclusive use of the military"- so someone def got carried away. How much Hank knew about the guns at his house and how willing the 10 other men arrested are to fall on their swords for Hank will have an impact on the case.

Don't cry for Hank- there is no shame in Mexico. If convicted he will "break out" and hang out in Argentina with the other Mexican Billionaire on the run, El Chapo- although the two are very unlikely travel partners.

[Edited on 6-8-2011 by Woooosh]

Nobody says you have to talk to me Woooosh, because I could always go back to the "OT" area and find plenty of idiot trolls to talk to.

I'm sorry you think I'm attacking you, and I was also taken aback by BajaGringo's post agreeing with you! I don't see too much rough play in this thread unless your talking about the ad hominem attacks by Jenny and those are towards me where she thinks she could tell members that I'm Muslim like that's suppose to ruin by credibility. BTW I'm not Muslim. Maybe Doug could make a new area like the "OT" area and call it the "kiddie pool," and that will be the area where nobody will ask tough questions or even challenge other members opinions.

I for one Woooosh is not going to let you present a one-sided argument against Rhon when clearly most of the media stories are supporting Rhon as well as the citizens of Baja.

The fact is Woooosh it is well known that you support the Mexican military and are hoping that the Mexican government suspends the Mexican constitution and they declare "Martial Law."God forbid Mexico would ever do something like that.

If this was a legitimate bust then why couldn't the military wait for a warrant to search Rhon's private home and compound? It isn't like those weapons would be moved anywhere.

Woooosh I think you know exactly who Jenny is and I don't know why you're trying to claim you don't? I'll be sure to let you know exactly who Jenny is in a private message, but I have to go to San Diego, and that means I have to stop off awhile in TJ asking the locals how they feel about Hank Rhon.

[Edited on 6-9-2011 by JoeJustJoe]

JESSE - 6-8-2011 at 03:47 PM

Overall, i would say 70% of the residents of Tijuana have a very bad image of Jorge Hank. Problem is, only 30% of registered voters vote, so Hank won his election for mayor with the support of less than 15% of the voters.

Hank is not liked or respected in Tijuana, he is feared.

jenny.navarrette - 6-8-2011 at 03:49 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by JoeJustJoe
I have to stop off awhile in TJ asking the locals how they feel about Hank Rhon.

Oh, this is going to be good. Joe thinks the Mexicans are going to discuss their internal polictics with a Gringo looking for putas in the Zona Norte.

No manches.

JESSE - 6-8-2011 at 04:10 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by jenny.navarrette

Quote:

Originally posted by JoeJustJoe
I have to stop off awhile in TJ asking the locals how they feel about Hank Rhon.

Oh, this is going to be good. Joe thinks the Mexicans are going to discuss their internal polictics with a Gringo looking for putas in the Zona Norte.
No manches.

Well, one thing is for sure, this jenny.navarrete is NOT a woman. Her foul language makes it clear he-she is either a:

1.-Guy

2.-Former table dancer/prostitute

Some of the words he-she-it uses, are spanish, but not Mexican, so perhaps her backround is from another latin american country. And finally, she is clueless about Mexican politics, she thinks she knows a lot, she knows nothing except for gossip from his-her neighboors and friends.

Woooosh - 6-8-2011 at 05:55 PM

Hey Joe. I just post what I think and I really didn't think I had taken a side yet on the legality of the entry to Hank's house. I figure that's written down somewhere in Mexican law and the correct answer will soon come. The evidence presented so far does favor the prosecution or Hank wouldn't be sitting in a cell. I don't think it's right to put a man like Hank away on a weapons charge- money laundering, drug trafficking, corruption and tax evasion, yes- but guns no. It just comes off as being petty and sleazy, which it is. But to bust Hank on an of those other areas would bring great harm to the others he conspired with and his party. With this gun charge the powers to be get Hank out of the way without any collateral damage.

Another blog is reporting Mexican law requires the gun to be on your person or in the same room for you to be charged with weapons possession. Just being in the house wouldn't be enough to convict Hank in that event.

Yeah, I know who Jenny is. I can post to each persons multiple on-line personas when I need to. I post to you... :saint:

[Edited on 6-9-2011 by Woooosh]

Woooosh - 6-8-2011 at 08:16 PM

Baja is one of the first areas to have the new open-court judicial reforms in place. Think this will be the first big case/test?

BajaGringo - 6-8-2011 at 08:45 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Woooosh
Hey Joe. I just post what I think and I really didn't think I had taken a side yet on the legality of the entry to Hank's house. I figure that's written down somewhere in Mexican law and the correct answer will soon come. The evidence presented so far does favor the prosecution or Hank wouldn't be sitting in a cell. I don't think it's right to put a man like Hank away on a weapons charge- money laundering, drug trafficking, corruption and tax evasion, yes- but guns no. It just comes off as being petty and sleazy, which it is. But to bust Hank on an of those other areas would bring great harm to the others he conspired with and his party. With this gun charge the powers to be get Hank out of the way without any collateral damage.

I had the opportunity today to have lunch with a couple of old friends; both very active/prominent members of the PAN party in Tijuana and at the state level. Both believe that this came down on orders from either Blake Mora or people very close to him. Both believe that it highly likely a deal of some type was struck with key members of PRI before making the raid. Both are glad to see Hank behind bars but both believe that the entire thing was handled badly and Hank will be released eventually as the investigation continues.

I have found these guys to be almost spot on with their predictions. Time will tell...

jenny.navarrette - 6-8-2011 at 09:48 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by BajaGringo
Both believe that it highly likely a deal of some type was struck with key members of PRI before making the raid.

Not too likely. Hank would have been tipped off in a New York minute and the military totally embarassed. Although, there may have been some deal after-the-fact to stop the investigation at Hank and not keep going, as the PRI bigwigs are all on the sidelines with closed lips.

Bueno, adiós Hank. Nos conocía Ud. muy bien. Quizás demasiado bien.

jenny.navarrette - 6-8-2011 at 09:52 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by JESSE
Some of the words he-she-it uses, are spanish, but not Mexican, so perhaps her backround is from another latin american country.

¡A la gran puchica!

JESSE - 6-8-2011 at 11:12 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by jenny.navarrette

Quote:

Originally posted by JESSE
Some of the words he-she-it uses, are spanish, but not Mexican, so perhaps her backround is from another latin american country.

¡A la gran puchica!

Me thinks you are a former banned member.

JoeJustJoe - 6-9-2011 at 02:55 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by BajaGringo

Quote:

I think your friends are right, and others have also said Blake Mora is behind the Rhon's arrest.

Well I'm sure some members of the PRI would like to see Rhon behind bars. I wouldn't exactly say all members of the PRI party is ready to throw Rhon under the bus because he does have support from a few prominent mayors in Baja. I would definably say that Rhon has more support from the PRI party that does NY Congressman Weiner does from his own Democrat party.

I'm going to go out on a limb here and say Rhon will at least be released from prison soon either by another " amparo" or some type of bail, although he faces serious weapons charges and isn't suppose to be let out on bail.

This article from the Frontera doesn't make it sound like Rhon will be getting an "out of jail card soon:

http://www.frontera.info/EdicionEnLinea/Notas/Noticias/08062...

However, knowing a little bit how Tijuana cops trumped-up charges, although the Mexican military was involved here. You can be pretty sure the Mexican military messed up somewhere, and I bet they messed up with the so-called anonymous tipster, and the three guys they arrested that lead to the bust in the middle of the night in Rhon's home.

Since Rhon isn't charged with an organized crime charge. He should have the full protection from the Mexican Constitution, and his lawyers could make a good case for Rhon on a number of legal grounds. Besides Rhon has money, and rarely do Mexicans with that much money sit in prison for long. However on the other hand if Rhon walks than Calderon and the PAN party look really bad. I know the odds are against Rhon being released, but I'll take the odds and I bet he gets out of prison soon.

JoeJustJoe - 6-9-2011 at 03:00 AM

Here is a humiliating video of Hank Rhon being treated like a common criminal at the Mexican Tecate prison.
____________________________

Traslado de Jorge Hank Rhon a penal del Hongo en Tecate, Baja California

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NMAQoPOVlqk&feature=youtu...

luv2fish - 6-9-2011 at 07:41 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by jenny.navarrette

Quote:

Originally posted by JoeJustJoe
I have to stop off awhile in TJ asking the locals how they feel about Hank Rhon.

Oh, this is going to be good. Joe thinks the Mexicans are going to discuss their internal polictics with a Gringo looking for putas in the Zona Norte.

No manches.

Damn !!!!!!!!! SOMEBODY HAS SOME VERY SERIOUS ISSUES, INCLUDING ANGER. Paranoia to the point of irrationality and delusion. ...
:fire:

luv2fish - 6-9-2011 at 07:47 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by JESSE

Quote:

Originally posted by jenny.navarrette

Quote:

Originally posted by JoeJustJoe
I have to stop off awhile in TJ asking the locals how they feel about Hank Rhon.

Oh, this is going to be good. Joe thinks the Mexicans are going to discuss their internal polictics with a Gringo looking for putas in the Zona Norte.
No manches.

what make you think he has friends ?? With all the contempt for Mexico one cant help wonder if maybe Jerry is maybe Salvadoran ??

BajaGringo - 6-9-2011 at 09:31 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by jenny.navarrette

Quote:

Originally posted by BajaGringo
Both believe that it highly likely a deal of some type was struck with key members of PRI before making the raid.

Could be - when they mentioned that it was highly probable that a deal had been made they never said whether it was before or after the raid. I had assumed they meant before, but who knows? They did mention that there were many in PRI who would be just as happy seeing Hank in prison, seeing him as more of a liability than asset.

But this is politics after all...

JoeJustJoe - 6-10-2011 at 05:20 PM

It's starting to look a little better for Hank Rhon. In the last few stories, it has been reported that two of the 11 persons arrested along with Rhon were released on bail, because their charges weren't that serious.

It looks like there is actual video from Rhon's residence of the Military entering the front security gate where they asked the guard if he had weapon permits, and when the guard seemingly complied with the request. The guard was subdued and arrested anyway. They also have raw video of other areas of the house and related areas. It should prove most interesting that they are going to try to reconstruct the events leading up to the arrest of Rhon. They are trying to reconstruct the facts because there is a discrepancy between what SEDENA, the Attorney General, and what Rhon and the other men arrested with Rhon said in regards to the facts.

I think after they see the video, interview witnesses including the three who were arrested for allegedly carrying weapons. We will have a better picture of what the true facts actually are. I hope Hank Rhon's people release the video footage to the general public like I read they would do somewhere else.

http://www.afntijuana.info/nota_informativa2011.php?page=jun...

JoeJustJoe - 6-10-2011 at 05:52 PM

Opps as soon as I write something that looks a little positive for Rhon. A major set back comes in.

It looks like two of the 88 weapons that were confiscated during the raid have been linked to two separate murders by two types of guns!

Of course there is still a chance those weapons were placed there to set Rhon up for the fall?

Anyway here is the article if you want more details:

Vinculan 2 armas con asesinatos

http://www.afntijuana.info/

Woooosh - 6-10-2011 at 06:03 PM

I keep saying video is going to change Mexico- for the better. It'll be out on YouTube soon, if not already no doubt. I'm a little jealous Hank's security cameras trick off to the hundred of a second... ok, not really.

BajaGringo - 6-10-2011 at 07:27 PM

I saw the news reports of Hank when he was filmed being moved from one locale to another. Something that struck me was how serious he looked in all of the footage, not even once forcing a smile for the cameras to feign self assurance.

I wonder now if it might be because he knew they would eventually trace back a couple of those weapons???

[Edited on 6-12-2011 by BajaGringo]

BajaNews - 6-11-2011 at 06:20 PM

http://www.sandiegored.com/noticias/13240/Two-released-on-ba...

By: Omar Millán
10 Junio 2011

The federal Attorney General’s Office announced Wednesday that 49 of the 88 weapons seized at Hank Rhon’s home around dawn on Saturday were for the exclusive use of the army. Ten of them were licensed, but five of them not to any of the 10 detained along with Hank Rhon. The remaining 78 were not licensed, the office said.

Lawyer of ex-Tijuana mayor denies guns carved with Hank Rhon's name are his

BajaNews - 6-11-2011 at 06:29 PM

http://www.google.com/hostednews/canadianpress/article/ALeqM...

By Mariana Martinez

TIJUANA, Mexico — The lawyer for detained former Tijuana Mayor Jorge Hank Rhon says the claim by federal prosecutors that weapons found on his client's property are carved with his name does not mean the guns are his.

Attorney Fernando Benitez says anyone can carve a name on an object and say it is proof of ownership.

Benitez told reporters Saturday that none of the 88 guns seized in a raid on the home of the ex-Tijuana mayor were Hank Rhon's, nor had they been kept on his property.

Federal prosecutors said Friday that two of the weapons, a .44 calibre revolver and a shotgun, are linked to two killings and that at least two guns had Hank Rhon's name engraved on them.

DENNIS - 6-11-2011 at 06:41 PM

How do they link a shotgun to anything without doing balistics?

Bajaguy/Terry....you out there?

choyero - 6-11-2011 at 07:11 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by DENNIS
How do they link a shotgun to anything without doing balistics?

Bajaguy/Terry....you out there?

If the shotgun were used and a spent casing was left behind they could match the firing pin indentations. They can also match scuffs on the shotshell casing to the shotgun's bore and extractors.

DENNIS - 6-11-2011 at 07:48 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by choyero
If the shotgun were used and a spent casing was left behind they could match the firing pin indentations. They can also match scuffs on the shotshell casing to the shotgun's bore and extractors.

This is way more CSI than I ever gave Mexico credit for, but you're probably right.

About five years back, I had a bunch of lumber stolen from my yard, which was promptly reported to the state police. Six days later they showed up and were going to fingerprint the plastic that covered one of the stacks and I had folded out of the way.
They thought better of it and left. Just as well.

Woooosh - 6-11-2011 at 07:50 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by BajaNews
http://www.google.com/hostednews/canadianpress/article/ALeqM...

By Mariana Martinez

TIJUANA, Mexico — The lawyer for detained former Tijuana Mayor Jorge Hank Rhon says the claim by federal prosecutors that weapons found on his client's property are carved with his name does not mean the guns are his.

Attorney Fernando Benitez says anyone can carve a name on an object and say it is proof of ownership.

Benitez told reporters Saturday that none of the 88 guns seized in a raid on the home of the ex-Tijuana mayor were Hank Rhon's, nor had they been kept on his property.

Federal prosecutors said Friday that two of the weapons, a .44 calibre revolver and a shotgun, are linked to two killings and that at least two guns had Hank Rhon's name engraved on them.

Well, the arrest of Hank was ruled valid today. He denies owning the two old guns with his name on them. That 's gonna be tough for people to believe.

DENNIS - 6-11-2011 at 07:55 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Woooosh
Well, the arrest of Hank was ruled valid today. He denies owning the two old guns with his name on them. That 's gonna be tough for people to believe.

People don't matter. This is just like the US courts. Deny everything. Say they were planted.
If Mexico has a Johnny Cochran on the defense, it may work.

Mexican state prosecutor says guns in Hank Rhon's home killed security guard,stolen car seller

BajaNews - 6-12-2011 at 10:45 PM

http://www.google.com/hostednews/canadianpress/article/ALeqM...

By The Associated Press

TIJUANA, Mexico — The prosecutor of Mexico's Baja California state says two guns found in former Tijuana Mayor Jorge Hank Rhon's home were used to kill a security guard and a man accused of selling stolen cars.

Rommel Moreno says the men were killed in Tijuana's financial district in 2009 and 2010.

Moreno told reporters Sunday that Hank Rhon, detained last week in a raid on his home that yielded 88 weapons, will testify before a judge Monday from prison.

Soldiers arrested Hank Rhon and 10 other men in the raid, seizing illegal weapons including a .44-calibre revolver and a shotgun that ballistics test results linked to the two killings.

Hank Rhon has denied any knowledge of the guns and his lawyer has said none of the guns seized were Hank Rhon's.

BajaGringo - 6-13-2011 at 05:54 AM

I watched a program last night of journalists discussing the story and they brought up a couple of interesting points:

If the anonymous tip came in from some concerned citizen who saw some guys with guns, why was the team that performed the raid flown in from Mexico City on a Hercules? That was something that was not mentioned in the reports up to now. I suppose that will just fuel the crowd who believe this is all politically motivated.

Another journalist who has attended the proceedings and read the PGR report said it seemed "interesting" to him that the military reported entering the home and found all 88 weapons in a large case in the living room of the home. I had imagined they had a room somewhere in the home / complex where such things would be stored.

Dave - 6-13-2011 at 06:20 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by BajaNews
TIJUANA, Mexico — The prosecutor of Mexico's Baja California state says two guns found in former Tijuana Mayor Jorge Hank Rhon's home were used to kill a security guard and a man accused of selling stolen cars.

Illegal weapons don't come with authentication of title. It is relatively easy and cheap to buy off the street but most weapons have a prior record. I seriously doubt Hank or his security would keep weapons used in their own criminal activities. They wouldn't be that stupid.

Woooosh - 6-13-2011 at 09:36 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by BajaGringo
I watched a program last night of journalists discussing the story and they brought up a couple of interesting points:

If the anonymous tip came in from some concerned citizen who saw some guys with guns, why was the team that performed the raid flown in from Mexico City on a Hercules? That was something that was not mentioned in the reports up to now. I suppose that will just fuel the crowd who believe this is all politically motivated.

Another journalist who has attended the proceedings and read the PGR report said it seemed "interesting" to him that the military reported entering the home and found all 88 weapons in a large case in the living room of the home. I had imagined they had a room somewhere in the home / complex where such things would be stored.

For sure those are interesting points. Can't you be military and make a citizen complaint. It didn't say civilian complaint. No one would keep that many guns in their living room and I would think the security forces used separate areas of the main house. You think they kept all that ammo there too? Why keep the guns and ammo separate? The Judge did her walk through and didn't have a problem with the arrest scenario it seems. Interesting stuff though.

jenny.navarrette - 6-13-2011 at 11:01 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Dave
Illegal weapons don't come with authentication of title. It is relatively easy and cheap to buy off the street but most weapons have a prior record. I seriously doubt Hank or his security would keep weapons used in their own criminal activities. They wouldn't be that stupid.

Yes they would. Money is not the same thing as intelligence. And Hank may not know what every single jerk-off working for him was doing on his free time with Hank's guns.

It is far easier to believe that Hank owned those 88 weapons and 10,000 rounds of ammo, than to believe they were all planted there. Especially since the closed circuit tapes do not show any soldiers carrying in any weapons. 88 rifles and guns and 10,000 rounds would weigh over 500 pounds. It would take several people and a few trips to sneak those all in while Hank was sleeping. Since a video of them doing that would be exculpatory, you would think his lawyers would have produced that, right?

It never ceases to amaze me how people are willing to latch on to ridiculous theories of conspiracies that would require improbable events closely coordinated by dozens of people to pull off. All the while not one person snitching on the conspiracy.

Dave - 6-13-2011 at 11:14 AM

I don't believe, for one minute, that those weapons aren't Hank's or his security or that they aren't capable. Just believe that these two weapons were acquired after the fact. Even low level mafioso know enough to discard weapons used in murder.

krafty - 6-13-2011 at 11:45 AM

I don't know; hard to believe anyone would leave a cache of guns that size in their living room. What do you tell the kids and the staff? Dust around it?

jenny.navarrette - 6-13-2011 at 12:19 PM

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I don't know; hard to believe anyone would leave a cache of guns that size in their living room. What do you tell the kids and the staff? Dust around it?

Why do you think Hank left a cache of guns in his living room? Was it because you read that here? Read the news in Spanish. The guns were found hidden all over the house and brought into the living room for inventory and photos.

By the way, Hank's wife, María Elvia Amaya, made a public statement to the press immediately after the arrest saying that all the guns were legal. She therefore admitted that they were Hank's guns and were in her home. When Hank's lawyers got wind of this they had her change her story to where she does not know about any guns. But her public statements have been picked up and printed everywhere.

Yet all the conspiracy theorists are willing to overlook her confession to owning the guns.

JESSE - 6-13-2011 at 04:20 PM

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I don't know; hard to believe anyone would leave a cache of guns that size in their living room. What do you tell the kids and the staff? Dust around it?

Whatever you say, Nancy/Fulano/Arrowhead.

Bajahowodd - 6-13-2011 at 04:34 PM

Perhaps my friend BajaGringo might agree that we are witnessing political theater here. Hank was arrested and whisked off the Mexico City in his pajamas. Soon, to be returned to El Hongo in Tecate.

From What I've read, and I don't claim expertise, even if convicted of the current charges, Hank could do as little as three months.

Really looks to me to be a politically inspired action. Sad part about it is that Hank has basically been on the edge as far as illegitimacy is concerned for seemingly ever.

It kinda reminds me of so many of the cases the ACLU gets hammered about when they attempt to apply the actual law against the charges brought up on an unsavory character.

Bad guys have rights, too.

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