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Former mayor Jorge Hank, arrested in Tijuana
IJUANA — The Mexican military this morning detained former mayor Jorge Hank Rhon on firearms charges at his residence near the Agua Caliente
racetrack, authorities said.
http://www.signonsandiego.com/news/2011/jun/04/mexican-milit...
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woody with a view
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he must have enemies, no?
must have forgot to inform the Jefe which ones he had?
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READY SET.....................
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He had over 50 guns at the house and they arrested his head of security as well. Seems like a former TJ Mayor and owner of the Xolos soccer team
should have the permits needed for his security team to have the guns around to protect him. Maybe too many? lol. The only part I have a problem
with is no-warrant searches and seizures by the military based on simply a "citizen complaint." That leaves everyone open to this type of abuse- not
that I feel bad for ole "feed them to my lions" Hank.
[Edited on 6-4-2011 by Woooosh]
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you don't have 4th amendment rights unless you sneak across, or just get here PERIOD.
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This guy is used to making his own rules. His father taught him how to do it.
Years back, maybe fifteen or so, when his daddy was still alive and one of the most powerful people in DF, Jorge was apprehended in the Mexico City
airport [I think it was in DF] with a bunch of prohibited items. He was returning from the Orient with lots of Ivory....carved and otherwise.
Well....the world got wind of the story and, oh oh, so did his father and the authorities were caught between that rock and a hard place. They had a
problem which they couldn't easily dismiss so they pondered for a while, then came up with the solution. They said all the contraband was artificial
and no laws were broken.
That was in the days that the government could say anything they wanted and no one could dispute it...succesfully, anyway.
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Woooosh
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| Quote: | Originally posted by woody with a view
you don't have 4th amendment rights unless you sneak across, or just get here PERIOD. |
It's not called the 4th Amendment down here- but searches without warrants are supposed to be illegal in Mexico. 
\"The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing\"
1961- JFK to Canadian parliament (Edmund Burke)
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According to this source, they seized 88 weapons and a chitload of ammo.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/huff-wires/20110604/lt-mexico-...
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Woooosh
It's not called the 4th Amendment down here- but searches without warrants are supposed to be illegal in Mexico. |
That's not how it went down.
The official story in the Mexican press does not indicate there was any civil rights violations in Hank's arrest. A citizen reported some armed men
outside the hotel Palacio. The military went there, saw the armed men and arrested them. No laws broken there. If you see an armed person on the
street, you can arrest him without a warrant as it is a probably crime in progress. The arrested men said the arms were stored in a house in Colonia
Hipódromo.
The military went to the house and they staked it out. They observed armed men outside the house who then entered the house. The military followed
them inside. No warrant needed, there was a crime in progress (violation of Mexican federal firearms and explosives law) and it was a hot pursuit.
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He should have stuck to driving in the Baja 500 today down in Ensenada
Democracy is like two wolves and a lamb voting on what to have for lunch. Liberty is a well-armed lamb contesting the vote.
Ben Franklin (1759)
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Woooosh
| Quote: | Originally posted by woody with a view
you don't have 4th amendment rights unless you sneak across, or just get here PERIOD. |
It's not called the 4th Amendment down here- but searches without warrants are supposed to be illegal in Mexico. |
I'm no Hank Rhon fan but clearly it looks like Rhon's Mexican Constitutional rights were broken when the Mexican military broke into his house while
he was sleeping on something as flimsy as a citizen complaint/tip.
Yes Mexico has strong Mexican constitutionally rights in your own home like the USA use too. ( see the latest US Supreme court ruling where the allow
US cops to "Knock & Raid your house if they suspect/hear you trying to destroy evidence in your own house) It's not right when the police could
break into your house in either country the US or Mexico without very strong evidence something illegal is going down.
I don't know what Jenny has been reading, and you notice she doesn't provide a link to her story. But the Baja newspapers are coming out with a lot of
stories about this incident all saying something a little bit different. I even saw a story that said drugs were found too! We will probably have to
wait a little while before all the right facts come out.
Here is just one story from the "AFN-Tijuana" and they do mention a citizen complaint:
http://www.afntijuana.info/nota_informativa2011.php?page=jun...
[Edited on 6-4-2011 by JoeJustJoe]
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| Quote: | quote]Originally posted by JoeJustJoe
I don't know what Jenny has been reading, and you notice she doesn't provide a link to her story. |
Jenny has been reading the official news release by the Mexican Attorney General on the incident, which has now been published on the front page of
every single newspaper in Mexico. That includes every single Tijuana newspaper you claim to read every day.
Too bad you don't read Spanish, esse. Maybe you can wait for an Arabic translation.
http://www.milenio.com/cdb/doc/noticias2011/9ded8090ad60334b...
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| Quote: | Originally posted by jenny.navarrette
| Quote: | Originally posted by Woooosh
It's not called the 4th Amendment down here- but searches without warrants are supposed to be illegal in Mexico. |
That's not how it went down.
The official story in the Mexican press does not indicate there was any civil rights violations in Hank's arrest. A citizen reported some armed men
outside the hotel Palacio. The military went there, saw the armed men and arrested them. No laws broken there. If you see an armed person on the
street, you can arrest him without a warrant as it is a probably crime in progress. The arrested men said the arms were stored in a house in Colonia
Hipódromo.
The military went to the house and they staked it out. They observed armed men outside the house who then entered the house. The military followed
them inside. No warrant needed, there was a crime in progress (violation of Mexican federal firearms and explosives law) and it was a hot pursuit.
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That help me understand. So not so much a "citizen's complaint" against Hank as his men being "stupid in plain sight". The "guards"(presumably
trusted employees) really were stupid enough to lead the military back to Hank's house when more men were being "stupid in plain sight"? I'll be he's
peeed.
\"The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing\"
1961- JFK to Canadian parliament (Edmund Burke)
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The more this plays out in the press, it appears that this may be more politically motivated than just stemming from a simple "citizens report of
seeing arms". No matter what you think of Hank Rhon, it would be a very sad thing if the military was allowing itself to be used this way...
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Some people don't deserve civil rights. To this day, I can't understand how he got elected as mayor in TJ. It scares me to believe the majority of
the electorate agree with his conduct.
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| Quote: | Originally posted by DENNIS
Some people don't deserve civil rights. To this day, I can't understand how he got elected as mayor in TJ. It scares me to believe the majority of
the electorate agree with his conduct. |
He is a "character" to say the least.
I got to meet him a couple of times back when he was mayor. I remember on one visit he had these huge dogs roaming around in his office while
conducting city business. As far as civil rights, I understand where you are coming from, but then I ask who decides who gets them or who doesn't?
Very slippery slope. Even when dealing with a "character" like this with some very dark rumors that follow him.
It will be interesting to see how this does play out over the next several days. The original story that was published on how this all came down is
changing...
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| Quote: | Originally posted by BajaGringo
The more this plays out in the press, it appears that this may be more politically motivated than just stemming from a simple "citizens report of
seeing arms". No matter what you think of Hank Rhon, it would be a very sad thing if the military was allowing itself to be used this way...
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23 years ago, on April 20, 1988, Hank Rhon's security chief, Antonio Vera Palestina, murdered the founder of Zeta magazine, Héctor “El Gato” Félix
Miranda. Vera was sentenced to 25-years in prison for the murder. Hank Rhon was never tried for that murder.
The US cancelled Hank Rhon's visa to enter the US in January 2009 under suspicion of being involved in illegal drug activities.
In October of 2009, the military tried to enter the very same home after seeing armed men enter, but were stopped by local Tijuana police.
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| Quote: | Originally posted by jenny.navarrette
| Quote: | Originally posted by BajaGringo
The more this plays out in the press, it appears that this may be more politically motivated than just stemming from a simple "citizens report of
seeing arms". No matter what you think of Hank Rhon, it would be a very sad thing if the military was allowing itself to be used this way...
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23 years ago, on April 20, 1988, Hank Rhon's security chief, Antonio Vera Palestina, murdered the founder of Zeta magazine, Héctor “El Gato” Félix
Miranda. Vera was sentenced to 25-years in prison for the murder. Hank Rhon was never tried for that murder.
The US cancelled Hank Rhon's visa to enter the US in January 2009 under suspicion of being involved in illegal drug activities.
In October of 2009, the military tried to enter the very same home after seeing armed men enter, but were stopped by local Tijuana police.
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I am no big fan of Jorge but nothing you state there changes the possibility that this could have been purely political. Since I know that you can
read Spanish "Jenny"...
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| Quote: | Originally posted by BajaGringo
I am no big fan of Jorge but nothing you state there changes the possibility that this could have been purely political. Since I know that you can
read Spanish "Jenny"...
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How does an op-ed piece change anything? Are you saying when a person is arrested for violation of the Federal Law on Firearms and Explosives, it is
purely a political move? Are you saying if Hank Rhon was a member of the PAN party they would not have arrested him? Are you saying laws are
selectively enforced in Mexico based upon a person's political affiliation?
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In May of 2005 during the Tastes of Tijuana tour we were on, Mayor Jorge Hank visited with us at the hotel in Tijuana... Here is a photo I took of him
with my web host's esposa:
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