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DMSO Out Of Desperation

DavidE - 7-13-2011 at 11:04 AM

It's been three months since my "!#$%&$#" number four disc herniated in Mulege. It's better but I am still using a walker. I am wondering if the solvent DMSO would help to reduce inflammation of the site and along the leg sciatic nerve... I have used DMSO before for sprains and arthritis and it seemed to work OK.

I cannot seem to get a clear answer if DMSO is available (for vet purposes) in Baja. Maybe there is a one in a millionchance someone is traveling to Cabo in the next few weeks and they could get a quart of it for me. I of course would recompense them for it plus offer a nice dinner for two including booze.

Please U2U me if interested.

DENNIS - 7-13-2011 at 11:38 AM

Jeeeezo....do they still make that stuff? I had forgotten all about the Horse Liniment that people used for arthritis. Back in the 70s, I used to buy it here for a friend in the states.
Good luck on your search.

When all else fails:

http://tinyurl.com/5tfdlqs

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[Edited on 7-13-2011 by DENNIS]

J.P. - 7-13-2011 at 12:35 PM

Back in the late 70s I used to take my x to a clicinic in Nuevo Laredo they put D.M.S.O. in her buy a IV.and then sold it to her in pill form. She seamed to think it worked :yes:

vandenberg - 7-13-2011 at 12:37 PM

Some friends talked me into using that stuff for arthritis and carpal. All it did was made me stink.
Maybe try WD40, an all inclusive cure. :?:

DENNIS - 7-13-2011 at 12:42 PM

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Originally posted by J.P.
Back in the late 70s I used to take my x to a clicinic in Nuevo Laredo they put D.M.S.O. in her buy a IV.and then sold it to her in pill form. She seamed to think it worked :yes:

Unreal....it's a solvent made from wood pulp. Don't know how that would work in the blood.

J.P. - 7-13-2011 at 12:51 PM

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Originally posted by DENNIS

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Unreal....it's a solvent made from wood pulp. Don't know how that would work in the blood.

I guess if you hurt bad enoug you will try anything.
I had basically the same condition with my back. which i put off for years. about four years ago I went to Dr.by the name of Kirby in San Diego . He fixed my back in a out paitent facility and it hasnt bothered me since.

[Edited on 7-14-2011 by BajaNomad]

mcfez - 7-13-2011 at 01:07 PM

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Originally posted by J.P.

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Originally posted by DENNIS

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Unreal....it's a solvent made from wood pulp. Don't know how that would work in the blood.

Well.....if you are at the end of the line with pain.....one should try "medical" pot. Seriously. Does wonders.

[Edited on 7-14-2011 by BajaNomad]

DENNIS - 7-13-2011 at 01:09 PM

Quote Box Allert....OOOGA OOOGA

mcfez - 7-13-2011 at 01:13 PM

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Originally posted by DENNIS
Quote Box Allert....OOOGA OOOGA

DENNIS....you make me laff a whole lot. Txs for the cheers!

Dehydrated Yucca for Joint Pain

Gypsy Jan - 7-13-2011 at 01:16 PM

This very particular variety of yucca is regularly usedt for thoroughbred race horses and other valuable horses in the U.S. and Europe.

This five-generation Ensenada family still harvests from their original homestead (it only grows here and in some places in New Mexico).

The Mexican EPA ( whatever, if I am correct the agency is called PROFEPA) also licenses them to harvest from the wild.

This is all natural and they make a specific distillation for human consumption.

Husband takes the liquid drops with his breakfast and no longer has back pain.

All dogs get the powder (they were hesitant at first) with their breakfast.

Our elderly Rottweiler no longer cries when he tries to lie down or jump up on/off the bed.

Baja Agro International
Privada Kino Este 100A-1
Parque Industrial Mision
Ensenada, Baja California
Mexico CP 22830

www.yucca.com.mx

[Edited on 7-13-2011 by Gypsy Jan]

BajaBlanca - 7-13-2011 at 01:17 PM

Might I recommend you visit la bocana's doctor romero. he is not expensive and should certainly be able to help since his wife has tremendous back pain due to a fall form a horse years back ....

His number is 615 156-0059 but he is basically available any day any time and even does house calls ... you can certainly inquire whether he is going to mulege any time soon.

we also have a chiropractor in san diego who is a miracle worker - at least he was for me - dr charles salanger. great guy.

best of luck. back pain is horrid.

Russ - 7-13-2011 at 01:23 PM

3 months ! I have chronic back pain and have some good meds to help when it's acting up. 3 months and a walker you really need to see a specialist! The pharmacist across from Candil's should be able to give you some anti inflammatory that may help but, again, 3 months is serious!

BajaBlanca - 7-13-2011 at 01:35 PM

I really agree. I alreaqdy sent a U2U but i want to alert everyone that when Les hurt his back a couple years back and we pretty quickly went to the states to get it checked out when no apin meds were having an effect...

the specialist in the States said "if the pain is this serious ever again, hightail it to emergency because you can become paralized for life"

he expalined that the body shuts down in order to protect itself. self preservation.

get to an american/mexican specialist doc ASAP

wessongroup - 7-13-2011 at 02:04 PM

Best of luck with your "back problem"... get something which allow ya to take the pain... at least until ya can move again...

Deal with it on a daily basis... try alternating ice and a heating pad... that will help me some times.. along with aspirin, plus my normal med for pain ... Vicodan ...

Ya got to get those muscle to relax.. ASAP... it won't correct the problem .. but, will make at least "tolerable"... like getting to the head...

Hang in there... again best of luck..

Dave - 7-13-2011 at 02:48 PM

I cannot believe that a doctor in Mexico would be reluctant to prescribe pain medication. My experience has been just the opposite. You need to find a different doctor, or doctors.

Woooosh - 7-13-2011 at 03:05 PM

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Originally posted by Gypsy Jan
This very particular variety of yucca is regularly usedt for thoroughbred race horses and other valuable horses in the U.S. and Europe.

This five-generation Ensenada family still harvests from their original homestead (it only grows here and in some places in New Mexico).

The Mexican EPA ( whatever, if I am correct the agency is called PROFEPA) also licenses them to harvest from the wild.

This is all natural and they make a specific distillation for human consumption.

Husband takes the liquid drops with his breakfast and no longer has back pain.

All dogs get the powder (they were hesitant at first) with their breakfast.

Our elderly Rottweiler no longer cries when he tries to lie down or jump up on/off the bed.

Baja Agro International
Privada Kino Este 100A-1
Parque Industrial Mision
Ensenada, Baja California
Mexico CP 22830

www.yucca.com.mx

[Edited on 7-13-2011 by Gypsy Jan]

" All dogs get the powder (they were hesitant at first) with their breakfast."

Hey Jan- Do you know if any of the graneros in Rosarito Beach carry the powder? Our 15 year old Lab is getting heavier and heavier every time I carry him up and down the stairs to do his business. Maybe this will give his legs a few more months so old Duke can make it a while longer and negotiate some stairs on his own. We've been doing low dose aspirin and Glucosamine with limited success. He's just old but still loves to carry his leash in his mouth- so still a Lab puppy on the inside.

Edit: Ok I'm confused. The website says these three Yucca products are for pets: BIOPETS, BIOPOWDER M and BIOSUPREME G and: "Research done by several investigators indicate that the use of Yucca schidigera in pet’s feed, especially cats and dogs, lower the concentration of ammonia and fecal odor by more than 50% besides improving the health and well being of the animal." Is that the product that help your dog's mobility?

:?:

[Edited on 7-13-2011 by Woooosh]

Cypress - 7-13-2011 at 04:04 PM

DavidE, A cortisone shot might help.

krafty - 7-13-2011 at 04:38 PM

Jan, can you get the liquid yucca in Rosarito at one of those natural holisticy places?

wessongroup - 7-13-2011 at 04:39 PM

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Originally posted by Cypress
DavidE, A cortisone shot might help.

Ditto's BIG TIME !! ... but, getting there for the shot... take something... that kind of pain is pretty bad... think many can relate...

Or how about adding on the passing some kidney stones, just for fun .. now that is some fun

Since were talking ... had a messed back from back surgery, (three and fourth lumber vertebrate disintegration , recommended course of action insertion of titanium brace for support, so I didn't become paralyzed.... which didn't work out)...... well, I slipped on our new Pergo floor and broke my left hip, ..... while recovering from the broken hip.. started peeing blood... kidney stones.. really a treat... plus I got infected so they couldn't operate ended up with only one kidney working.. the other was shunted via a tube/bag to my left side.. by soaking in a bag of ice they finally got my temperature down.. and were able to bust up the remaining stones..

Just thought I would give ya something ..... as it happen's to all of us.. or at least a few of us.... :lol:

Again hang in there... there are a number of folks here with bad backs... and hope it helps...

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[Edited on 7-13-2011 by wessongroup]

bajaguy - 7-13-2011 at 05:15 PM

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Jan......what dose or amount do you give your Rottie????.....once or twice a day????

And do you get the powder at the above address in Ensenada????

Bad spelling alert- OOOGA BOOOGA

thebajarunner - 7-13-2011 at 05:29 PM

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Originally posted by DENNIS
Quote Box Allert....OOOGA OOOGA

DENNIS - 7-13-2011 at 05:35 PM

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Originally posted by thebajarunner

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Originally posted by DENNIS
Quote Box Allert....OOOGA OOOGA

Bad spelling alert- OOOGA BOOOGA

By golly...I think you're right, Runner.

Good to see you.

The Devil made me do it

thebajarunner - 7-13-2011 at 06:43 PM

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Originally posted by DENNIS

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Originally posted by thebajarunner

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Originally posted by DENNIS
Quote Box Allert....OOOGA OOOGA

Bad spelling alert- OOOGA BOOOGA

By golly...I think you're right, Runner.

Good to see you.

Thanks Dennis
good to see you too
and thanks for the cheery response to a rather snitty post.

Bajame - 7-13-2011 at 06:56 PM

Try putting a hot pack on the area, as hot as you can stand it. Leave it for about 5 min and then replace it with a ice cold pack for 5 min. Do this a few times. It really can help with the pain.

DENNIS - 7-13-2011 at 07:02 PM

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Originally posted by thebajarunner
thanks for the cheery response to a rather snitty post.

It's the new me, Runner. You're welcome. :biggrin:

Yucca

Gypsy Jan - 7-13-2011 at 07:12 PM

Hi krafty, I think that the drops are available at most botanicas (Mexican health food stores), that's where we found them originally.

[Edited on 7-14-2011 by Gypsy Jan]

JESSE - 7-13-2011 at 07:26 PM

Smoke it.

ncampion - 7-13-2011 at 07:41 PM

Forget the home remedies and pain pills, you need surgery to repair it properly. Had the same problem a couple of years ago and had an out patient surgery called micro discsectomy (Google it). Problem solved, still riding my dirt bike at 65. Back surgery has come a long way in the last 10 years.

Marc - 7-13-2011 at 09:31 PM

I used the stuff in the 70's and it didn't do any harm. :lol:

So Many Questions, My Head is Exploding!

Gypsy Jan - 7-13-2011 at 11:14 PM

Just kidding, guys.

OK, true history. If you know about me, you know that I like/love dogs, cats and my husband.

His knees and back were hurting and I did internet searches for natural remedies.

I found an answer "yucca dehisdresatada" (I may not be spelling this correctly).

I went to a "botanica" (natural food store) in Rosarito. They sold me a liquid drop for people with joint pain. After he got good results, I contacted the producer.

They invited us to come to their distribution center in Ensenada.

This place was the cleanest and best-organized facility that we have ever seen, and yes, I pulled out my trick of, "I need to go to the bathroom." I was personally escorted through the warehouse to the employee area.

This family company sells most of its product to Latin America, Europe and Asia; there is an American competitor that dominates the professional race horse market in the U.S.

Call them or send an email. They are wonderful people. The CEO (if I have the title correct) is the great grandson and a retired U.S. border control officer who decided to join the family business, and, by the way, adopted a white German Shepherd.

[Edited on 7-14-2011 by Gypsy Jan]

Dog Powder Dosage

Gypsy Jan - 7-13-2011 at 11:42 PM

I forgot to answer the question about dosage:

Less than a teaspoon each once a day for each of our dogs (all our dogs weigh over one hundred pounds).

The yucca powder reduces the smell, there are no flies and the caca left behind is dry and easy to pick up.

daveB - 7-14-2011 at 01:42 AM

37 years ago I took five months away from work with a sore back that had also affected the sciatic nerve down the back of my left leg. Early on had a week in hospital. A specialist (surgeon) perscribed me one month strict bed rest.

That didn't work and afterwards couldn't even manage a one city block slow walk. Had seen two chiropracters in the meantime, one who bent my legs, the second sort of jumped on my back, a painful incident. I wasn't the best patient, skied Whistler before the strict bed rest with the help of prescribed valium. That bad conduct continued when the surgeon then prescribed hostipalization with traction, I'd go up and down the back staircase, six floors, to try to get some muscle tone, but still suffering pain. They would still bring me valium, but I decided not to take them.

After two and a half weeks of traction, I was no better and was about to sign myself out when the doctor showed up. Next day I saw him at his office and he tried for a full hour to try and persuede me to allow him to operate. No way I would, before my 3oth birthday, being still unmarried. He was probably the busiest orthopedic in the hospital, one of the most active in the city (Vancouver). But now into my third month off work, I went camping with large groups for the summer, and others did my lifting. I then saw another chiropracter, a man who was renowned in the area. Big X-rays taken of my neck and back. The Man finally saw me, gave my neck a twist one certain way then told me not to get into an auto accident and see him again in two days. I figuered out by the direction he twisted my neck that I should try to sleep excusively on my left side. On my next visit he checked me out and made no adjustment.

I was back at work in another month and six months later did a month-long ski trip, Sun Valley, Park City, Aspen and others, then back to Whistler. Got married that summer. Operation? Just appendix, nose and a knee scoped. If the top 12 vertabrae are straight the rest will follow suit eliminating sciatica and low back pain. At least that was how it was with me. I'll be 67 next week and my back is great. I gave up skiing when I retired to drive an RV south every winter, the tenth trip coming up.

Hope all goes well for you, DavidE. Many folks must live with pain, don't know how they do it. Hope you can find a way around that.

vandenberg - 7-14-2011 at 08:18 AM

Dave, check U2U.

Mexitron - 7-14-2011 at 08:34 AM

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Originally posted by DENNIS

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Unreal....it's a solvent made from wood pulp. Don't know how that would work in the blood.

Its not as strange if you consider the following: Our hemoglobin is huge molecule which surrounds a porphyrin ring at its center...at the center of the porphyrin ring is one atom of Iron. In plants, chlorophyll is the dominant energy nexus---as hemoglobin is to us---the chlorophyll molecule has the exact same structure as hemoglobin, with the porphyrin ring inside---the ONLY difference is that chlorophyll has a Manganese atom instead of the iron atom....one atom difference!

DENNIS - 7-14-2011 at 08:44 AM

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Originally posted by Mexitron
Its not as strange if you consider the following: Our hemoglobin is huge molecule which surrounds a porphyrin ring at its center...at the center of the porphyrin ring is one atom of Iron. In plants, chlorophyll is the dominant energy nexus---as hemoglobin is to us---the chlorophyll molecule has the exact same structure as hemoglobin, with the porphyrin ring inside---the ONLY difference is that chlorophyll has a Manganese atom instead of the iron atom....one atom difference!

Now....why didn't I think of that? :lol:

mulegemichael - 7-14-2011 at 08:52 AM

dave...go to the pharmacy across from el candil....ask for 100mg tramadol...take two...relax...it's saving my ass and i have the same thing you do...trust me on this.

J.P. - 7-14-2011 at 09:51 AM

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Originally posted by ncampion
Forget the home remedies and pain pills, you need surgery to repair it properly. Had the same problem a couple of years ago and had an out patient surgery called micro discsectomy (Google it). Problem solved, still riding my dirt bike at 65. Back surgery has come a long way in the last 10 years.

I agree totaly I put up with the same symptons for 20 years . 4 years ago I went to a Dr. in San Diego and he checked me into the out patient clinic at 5:30 am and I was im my car at 11:am same day heading home to Ensenada. today i do most evertinng I want to do Physicaly and the best part I am pain free. T he operation was minimal intrusiue and recovery was short . The surgical procedure has come a long way.and to suffer like me and others have is just plain "DUMB".

Mulegena - 7-14-2011 at 10:01 AM

Get ye North and to the proper medical specialist physician, please.

DMSO

bonanzapilot - 7-14-2011 at 10:25 AM

Dear David E...
DMSO, the industrial solvent, was a breakthrough drug for transporting drugs through the skin. Today we have Trans dermal patches, such as the synthetic Heroin drug, Fentanyl.
DMSO, when applied, will carry whatever else is in the vicinity into your bloodstream, so be cautious. Have you exhausted the NSAID's? Naproxen Sodium is available right there in Mulege, and is a well-tolerated anti-imflamatory. If you have not tried that yet, hobble downtown today.

DavidE - 7-14-2011 at 10:51 AM

I had better explain things better...

At the moment I am taking 200 mg. Q.I.D of tramadol extended release (8-hours duration sold in Wal-Mart under the medi-mart label)

1000 mg. Tylenol QID (meaning four times a day).

200 mg. (BID twice a day) Nimensulide a cox-3 inhibiting NSAID much like celebrex.

15 mg. prednisone BID

THREE MONTHS IS WAY TOO LONG TO BE ON ALL THOSE MEDS. I fear for my kidneys and liver :-(

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I am able to walk without assistance as much as thirty feet, then I need to rest for a few minutes, minus the walker. With the walker I can go as long as 100-yards. But that is on a good day.

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It isn't totally the pain near the herniation nor the sciatica that seems to be the greatest bother, it is the incredible knotting of muscles in my back near the herniation that seem to tense like a coil spring and then start to ache if I press things too much such as walking too far.

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Like it or not, the "strongest" opiate controlled substance painkiller sold in Mexico is called TYLEX. It is 30 mg of codeine and 350 milligrams of tylenol. Over and over I tested 2 of them against 2 Tramadols, and the tramadol works significantly better. Farmacistas told me that medical doctors themselves have to administer anything stronger than Tylex. Dose by dose.

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Several years ago a neurosurgeon in the states told me after reviewing an MRI and CatScan "I wouldn't touch your spine for all the money in the world --- it would just make things worse". He is the one and only neurosurgeon available under my HMO and private surgery has been estimated to cost between fifty five and seventy three thousand dollars. Might as well be a trillion.

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Getting caught with any Class I estupificante means prison, and that would mean death for me without life-support cardiac medications.

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My miniscule measure, my problem seems to be diminishing. I am without pain for most of the time now (albeit with all those meds above), and if I could only get those back muscles to unknot and stay unknotted then maybe, just maybe I can make some real progress. What a pain it is to be in paradise and glued to an aluminum rack with wheels and handgrips.

Thank Each And Every One Of You. Believe Me, I Study Your Replies As Well As Merely Read Them.

Mulegena - 7-14-2011 at 11:43 AM

Figured you'd already been to a neurosurgeon in US.

Urge you to consider a revisit and/or changing/upgrading HMO Plans and/or petitioning your Plan to allow you to see another specialist if you're still not satisfied; all this is doable; I've done it.

Let your primary physician work the system for you; if he/she won't, consider a switch to another primary physician if necessary. Get the assistance and advocacy of family and/or personal friends which are specially needed when you're sick.

Spinal micro-neurosurgery has evolved dramatically in the last few years.

DMSO isn't a good idea, inymnotsohumblebutverycaringforyouopinion.

Please take care and let us know how things go.

vandenberg - 7-14-2011 at 12:46 PM

Nomads,
I have a small tub of DMSO available to Dave here in Nopolo/Loreto. Only one small problem. He's in El Pescadero, south of Todo Santos, and we're looking for a way to get it down to him. So, if any of you come through here on your way south ( anywhere close ), please let me know and we'll find a way to meet and get it to you.
He seems in distress and I know any effort on our part to help will be appreciated.

Expecting a flood of e-mails at
edinnopolo@gmail.com

vacaenbaja - 7-14-2011 at 05:23 PM

I would heed Bonanza pilots warning. There a various grades of DMSO if you are going to put it in your body
make sure that it is laboratory grade and not industrial.
Make sure that everything that comes into contact between you and it is very clean. This powerful solvent will transport
anything that it comes in contact with through your skin and
into your bloodstream/muscles. Do try Naproxen Sodium.
It just may help.

DENNIS - 7-14-2011 at 05:41 PM

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Originally posted by vacaenbaja
Do try Naproxen Sodium.
It just may help.

It sure does for me. I take it. [brand name is Alleve at 220 mgs, but I get powerhouse stuff from the VA]

One thing to keep in mind....too much too often can cause Gastro Refux. It did for me and that stuff hurts.

Oh, yeah....I take it for arthritis flare-ups.

DavidE - 7-15-2011 at 09:50 AM

I've tried NAPROX but Nimesulide works better and being a cox-3 inhibiting NSAID it does not affect my plumbing.

I use pure alcohol to clean the site of the DMSO application and then let it dry for a couple of minutes.

Alternative HMO's shy away from enrolling me or exclude pre-exisiting conditions outright.

It would be a thirty four hundred mile trip to obtain ancillary care with my HMO, and that just is not possible.

bonanzapilot - 7-15-2011 at 09:59 AM

David, I checked back today to see your response to my posting, and read through all of the meds you are presently taking, mostly painkillers with slightly different methods of attack. I tried to stay objective, but have to get a little anecdotal, and cite my own experience. MD's, for the most part, will throw multitudes of medications at you to see what works. Reminds me of a mechanic who changes all of the parts until he gets to the real solution when working on a car. I am a very recent Cancer survivor, and was given the strongest types of Morphine in combination with 100mg. Fentanyl patches on my arm. Way too much painkiller, and I was still in pain. Even then, I received some anti-inflamatory relief from Naproxen Sodium. After surgery, painkillers were withdrawn, but I was addicted... and had to withdraw, shivering on the couch, like a transient under a bridge. My point is, in my non-medical opinion, you might get some relief from the swelling and internal inflammation around your injury, from about 450 mg. of Naproxen Sodium every 12 hours, but I don't recommend adding that to all of the other meds you are now on. If you are not getting relief from what you are now taking, try making a change for a day or two.
I feel for you, man.. and hope you can get some permanent correction soon. Newer surgeries that do not open up the area are available. Keep us posted, and find a Dr. that can help you. In the winter, Dr. David Rose (not practicing in Mexico, but can offer friendly advice) is living four doors towards Mulege from Casa Granada.. behind the Serenidad, on the estuary.

DMSO

bonanzapilot - 7-15-2011 at 10:02 AM

I see you are online, and have been there and done that. Sorry, and best wishes. If you do hookup on the DMSO, try powdering some Aspirin tabs, mixing it with the solvent, and applying. Couldn't hurt....

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BajaBlanca - 7-21-2011 at 10:42 AM

My friend Eduardo offerred to take theDMSO down to la paz ...he should be contacting vandenberg within the next couple days. then we need someone to take the meds from la paz to el pescadero/todos santos/David

the idea of upgrading your insurance is a great one - we have one that lets us go to any doc, anywhere, which is what we did when we went to Dr thorne of scripps la jolla (san diego). He doesn't take new patients but I insisted and begged and praised him over and over till the secretary caved, and like someone mentioned, Les was in one day, and walked out the same day pain free.

our chiropractor dr charles salanger of san diego, looked at the MRI etc. before we went to thorne and he said: you need to see a specialist - I can't help you.

EdZeranski - 7-21-2011 at 01:04 PM

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Originally posted by DavidE
It's been three months since my "!#$%&$#" number four disc herniated in Mulege. It's better but I am still using a walker. I am wondering if the solvent DMSO Please U2U me if interested.

Done!!

EdZ KG6UTS