BajaNomad - Seven Sisters south road update July '11

Seven Sisters south road update July '11

Curt63 - 7-24-2011 at 08:18 AM

3 weeks ago I did a little exploring and I wanted to share a little road/area information.

Despite what the maps show and previous BN posts say. The south road in from St Ros. is currently a high clearance vehicle road. Opinions about 4WD vary, but for less experienced drivers, 4WD would be used in many locations.

This road was graded, but now is very rough, rutted and sometimes steep with softball - grapefruit sized rock roads.

I did some exploring on the quad and realized I brought a knife to a gunfight.

I plan to explore the area some day, but I will bring another vehicle, more supplies and allow lots of time.

The Marines patrol this area and inspect campers, so you need to leave your herbal remedies elsewhere.

This area is rough and hilly. You definately want to look at a countour map. Side roads shoot out to the beach. and you must take the same road back out (need GPS).

There are dunes and blowsand everywhere and you can be cruising down a trail only to have it disapperar into the dunes like this.

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and then like this

and then sand dunes.

There is also lots of silt beds like this (this one is small)

But the area is beautiful, so here is one GPS coordinate (just zoom in) of Punta ??? (major surf break)

I'm not an expert on this place, so please dont ask me lots of questions. I simply wanted to inform people of what they might need to have a safe and fun Baja experience.

Cheers, Curt

[Edited on 7-24-2011 by Curt63]

BooJumMan - 7-24-2011 at 08:24 AM

Bad Kurt!! You know the rules!!!

Looking nice... I've never been there during the summer. How was the winds?

dtbushpilot - 7-24-2011 at 08:26 AM

:lol:

perfect sisters trip report curt.....dt

bajalou - 7-24-2011 at 08:28 AM

So that's where my Garmin 76 with Ram mount went!!!!

woody with a view - 7-24-2011 at 08:39 AM

that would include the hiway, genius.

i don't care anymore, remember? new leaf and all....

Skipjack Joe - 7-24-2011 at 08:45 AM

Stirring the pot, Curt63?

woody with a view - 7-24-2011 at 09:07 AM

hey Curt, how about folding in a complete report with all the details of the entire trip. some guys never get past juanico and would like to see what's up in the rest of the world, errr, baja!

Curt63 - 7-24-2011 at 09:09 AM

Coming soon.

When I got back, I had to locate, buy, fix and detail a couple of vehicles. Lots of work, but good fun.

woody with a view - 7-24-2011 at 09:19 AM

saw that pic of the 4 toyotas in the drive. i got a little moist, i must admit! :biggrin:

BFS - 7-24-2011 at 09:24 AM

what he said...

BajaGringo - 7-24-2011 at 09:28 AM

I have driven some of those roads over the past few years but regrettably, never with a GPS to mark any coordinates. (Your safe with me Woody) The road conditions vary a lot based on rain and wind and I would suggest that if you do go it be in two vehicles minimum (in case one has problems), 4WD and aired down.

I pulled one Toyota out of trouble there - they had 4WD but not the sense to air down...

:lol:

[Edited on 7-24-2011 by BajaGringo]

motoged - 7-24-2011 at 10:06 AM

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Originally posted by dtbushpilot
:lol:

perfect sisters trip report curt.....dt

David,
Could you GPS those silt beds when you ride that area? I need some practice in that moon dust, as you suggested earlier :smug:

TMW - 8-1-2011 at 12:30 PM

I'm seriously thinking of doing a pacific coast run to check out the surf fishing and sneak a pix of the surfers for the National Enquirer.

Pacifico - 8-1-2011 at 05:22 PM

Ya Curt! Very rough and hard to get to...We did the sisters in the buggies (does that sound wrong or what?) and it is not for unprepared vehicles...even a trophy truck with us got buried in the sand!

On the beach somewhere....

bacquito - 8-2-2011 at 03:05 PM

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Originally posted by BajaGringo
I have driven some of those roads over the past few years but regrettably, never with a GPS to mark any coordinates. (Your safe with me Woody) The road conditions vary a lot based on rain and wind and I would suggest that if you do go it be in two vehicles minimum (in case one has problems), 4WD and aired down.

I pulled one Toyota out of trouble there - they had 4WD but not the sense to air down...

:lol:

[Edited on 7-24-2011 by BajaGringo]

Is it taboo to ask where Seven Sisters is located or what pueblo is near?

woody with a view - 8-2-2011 at 08:35 PM

the sisters are there for the taking. it's their nieces and nephews that will never be tamed. just don't put names to fotos of waves, PLEASE.

leave something to the imagination for the next guy who follows the bread crumbs left by the internet.

can anyone remember how cool baja was the first 25 times you went WITHOUT A GPS OR TURN BY TURN DIRECTIONS? but i digest......

MMc - 8-3-2011 at 08:12 AM

The sister's are not a secret and have not been for years. Some of us are trying not to contribute to the inevitable. We are trying to keep adventure alive in baja. Some will never get it.

The more people that travel down a road the better it gets. Even the really bad roads, get better with use. I have meet unprepared folks at the end of those roads because of this board. This applies to both sides of Baja. I get upset spending days helping fools try to un-screw their actions.
I almost posted up when somebody was asking for the GPS points for the 88. Some days it doesn't pay to chew through the restraints.
MMc

[Edited on 8-3-2011 by MMc]

bacquito - 8-3-2011 at 12:44 PM

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Originally posted by David K

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Originally posted by bacquito

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[Edited on 7-24-2011 by BajaGringo]

Is it taboo to ask where Seven Sisters is located or what pueblo is near?

If it is taboo, somebody better tell the map makers!

Thsnks David

MMc - 8-3-2011 at 01:39 PM

I understand from where you come from,and disagree. You refuse to see any other side then you own. You just don't get and never will. MMc

tiotomasbcs - 8-3-2011 at 02:47 PM

Curt, you know better! David K does not!! The Sisters does get crowded. There are hassles regarding who's who and what's what. Scorpion used to be difficult to get before Surf/wave ocean technology. Now it's crowded. A few hundred agro-max Surfos!! Do fishermen give away their secret fishing hole? Not! Quite simple--no surf pics or talk. Beautiful area for fishing or motos but don't talk olas. Tio

Curt63 - 8-3-2011 at 06:26 PM

My Bad.

My intention was to let people know that a road labeled as improved graded road is actually really tough and requires high clearance. There are a few other concerns out there as well with very few people to help.

The wrong vehicle/ driver WILL tear an oil pan ( I've seen that... it aint pretty) or break shocks/ mounts.

In retrospect, I'm really sorry I even posted it.

Please accept my sincere apology.

Curt

Lee - 8-3-2011 at 08:06 PM

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Originally posted by MMc
I understand from where you come from,and disagree. You refuse to see any other side then you own. You just don't get and never will. MMc

I'm with David on this and you, MMc, don't have a clue.

Surfers, and that's me since the early 60s, for the most part, live in a world of scarcity. Too many surfers, not enough waves. These pukes don't have a clue about spirituality, or aloha. Had they been alive and surfing in the 70s, they would have been whining with the same attitude then.

It doesn't get more crowded than Trestles and the dozen or so spots around Onofre I surf half the year. Or Old Mans and Zippers. Pedrito in the Winter on a Saturday morning is a lot of locals with smiles on their face. It's nice.

Every time I surf these crowded breaks, I have fun -- and catch all the waves I want. And everyone around me seems to be having fun too.

Is there a problem? It's believing that surfers in the water represents scarcity and disclosing secret breaks (yeah right and if you're good Santa will remember you) means betraying the surfers code of silence.

No maps, no pics? You live in the dark ages.

Grow up. If you have problems with crowds, you probably don't know how to surf.

woody with a view - 8-3-2011 at 08:54 PM

deep breath......

this has been regurgitated until dry heaves produce, well, blood.

i think everyone know where we all stand on the sitch. produce turn by turn gps data and fotos blazing names of the spot you just conquered and you are cooool, again. like jr high.

everyone is entitled to their views. i don't care enough to raise my blood pressure (i'll pull over to let you pass, DK, on the single track, if it's flat!). but really.

nobody owns anything. people complain about the pavement coming to gonzaga. i complain about the internet searches returning up to the week data on our favorite normally chiitty spots that go off 20 days of the year. most days you wouldn't know what you were driving by.

but who the F@%$ really cares? let's all have a Nomad party out there and invite the universe.....

Dewey - 8-3-2011 at 09:51 PM

There are two kinds of surf spots in Baja. Easy ones to get too and harder ones to get too. The harder a spot is to get too the fewer surfers there are. Some harder ones have gotten easier and some have not. There are no secrets. Somebody has already been there.

woody with a view - 8-4-2011 at 06:00 AM

don't worry, Curt. that place is full of pismos, i love it!

RichBaja - 8-4-2011 at 06:57 AM

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Originally posted by David K
One of the goals of Baja Nomad is 'people helping people'... Baja Bernie I think it was even made up some shirts stating this.

Be it pulling someone out of the sand or getting help from a nearby fish camp, providing assistance when you can should be a form of self-reward.

Finding too many surfers on a Seven Sisters break the same time you go there so it prevents you from surfing will never happen. Even finding just one other surfer has got to be rare and it is sad if you can't make friends with them, and have a better trip because you made a new friend.

Here here!

These nomad "surfers" see like swell folk. :lol:

RichBaja - 8-4-2011 at 06:59 AM

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David, Don't forget to mention the "important" polls we do on here as well.
:cool:

Lee - 8-4-2011 at 07:04 AM

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Originally posted by David K
Baja Nomad is us... and we are here because we love Baja and want to preserve it for us to continue to enjoy. 100 people can preserve a place as well as one person.

Thanks for writing this David. Your heart is in the right place.

Ohmmmmmmm.

MMc - 8-4-2011 at 08:37 AM

This started out as a nice post. I helped hijack it and regret it.
My rants about exposing places are not just about surfing, I have a problem killing the sense of adventure that went with a trip to Baja.
Turn by turn details take the wonder away. (IMHO) The best camp site, where to eat and where to stop, you decided and lived by your choice. It used to called paying your dues.Surfing, Fishing and Kayak are the sports that draw me to Mexico is general. In the 70s and 80s. We would look at a maps, read weather charts and plot the escape. THOSE DAYS ARE GONE!
Baja has been a close escape where the price of failure was dear. It is getting harder to find that adventure anywhere. I have a problem contributing to it's demise. I believe in helping fellow traverses out just not on a board that gets 1000s of hits a day.
A lot of you will never understand this, I understand that.
MMc

Mexitron - 8-4-2011 at 09:46 AM

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Originally posted by MMc
This started out as a nice post. I helped hijack it and regret it.
My rants about exposing places are not just about surfing, I have a problem killing the sense of adventure that went with a trip to Baja.
Turn by turn details take the wonder away. (IMHO) The best camp site, where to eat and where to stop, you decided and lived by your choice. It used to called paying your dues.Surfing, Fishing and Kayak are the sports that draw me to Mexico is general. In the 70s and 80s. We would look at a maps, read weather charts and plot the escape. THOSE DAYS ARE GONE!
Baja has been a close escape where the price of failure was dear. It is getting harder to find that adventure anywhere. I have a problem contributing to it's demise. I believe in helping fellow traverses out just not on a board that gets 1000s of hits a day.
A lot of you will never understand this, I understand that.
MMc

20 years from now you'll be saying how great it was in 2011---the good old days; enjoy it as best you can--there's always adventure to be had...I've been b-tch slapped straight even more on this after being so far away in TX for 5 years. Change is inevitable---contribute heavily to Wildcoast and have fun!

Skipjack Joe - 8-4-2011 at 01:27 PM

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Originally posted by MMc
This started out as a nice post. I helped hijack it and regret it.
My rants about exposing places are not just about surfing, I have a problem killing the sense of adventure that went with a trip to Baja.
Turn by turn details take the wonder away. (IMHO) The best camp site, where to eat and where to stop, you decided and lived by your choice. It used to called paying your dues.Surfing, Fishing and Kayak are the sports that draw me to Mexico is general. In the 70s and 80s. We would look at a maps, read weather charts and plot the escape. THOSE DAYS ARE GONE!
Baja has been a close escape where the price of failure was dear. It is getting harder to find that adventure anywhere. I have a problem contributing to it's demise. I believe in helping fellow traverses out just not on a board that gets 1000s of hits a day.
A lot of you will never understand this, I understand that.
MMc

But many of us do understand.

Keep writing what you believe and good people will respect you.

woody with a view - 8-4-2011 at 08:03 PM

all bow in his presence ^^^^^^^^^^.

:barf:

Curt63 - 8-4-2011 at 08:51 PM

You boys ever gonna shake your peckers and end this peein match?

Skipjack Joe - 8-4-2011 at 10:30 PM

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Originally posted by David K

There is a solution for you and others who want to know nothing in advance of your Baja trips: DON'T READ TRIP REPORTS HERE!

This is TOTAL RUBBISH.

When you disagree with people you attack them or lobby to have their posts removed.

When people disagree with you they are simply told not to read your posts.

The man sees things differently than you do. Why is he told to go elsewhere rather than disagree with you.

I don't understand how your fans don't see through you.

Roberto - 8-4-2011 at 11:40 PM

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Originally posted by David K
I mean we Nomads are the lovers of Baja, not the destroyers... The Mexican road construction crews are the enemy of the remote coastlines of Baja... not Baja Nomads posting photos.

You have said this many, many times. How is it that anyone who goes to a public web site is automatically a member of the good guy's club? You can't possibly really believe this? Have you checked how many registered users there are? Add to that all the ones who don't register.

Roberto - 8-4-2011 at 11:43 PM

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Originally posted by Skipjack Joe
I don't understand how your fans don't see through you.

The explanation is simple, if controversial and unacceptable in this company. I am quite certain you know what it is.

Roberto - 8-4-2011 at 11:46 PM

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Originally posted by David K
I think it is respectful to allow others to read and see trip reports of Baja here on Nomad... and highly disrespectful to go to a place and say NOBODY ELSE (after me) should ever be allowed to read or see this place... huh? :rolleyes:

Is THAT what he said? My eyesight must be worse than I thought.

Roberto - 8-4-2011 at 11:48 PM

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Originally posted by Skipjack Joe

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Originally posted by MMc
This started out as a nice post. I helped hijack it and regret it.
My rants about exposing places are not just about surfing, I have a problem killing the sense of adventure that went with a trip to Baja.
Turn by turn details take the wonder away. (IMHO) The best camp site, where to eat and where to stop, you decided and lived by your choice. It used to called paying your dues.Surfing, Fishing and Kayak are the sports that draw me to Mexico is general. In the 70s and 80s. We would look at a maps, read weather charts and plot the escape. THOSE DAYS ARE GONE!
Baja has been a close escape where the price of failure was dear. It is getting harder to find that adventure anywhere. I have a problem contributing to it's demise. I believe in helping fellow traverses out just not on a board that gets 1000s of hits a day.
A lot of you will never understand this, I understand that.
MMc

But many of us do understand.

Keep writing what you believe and good people will respect you.

What he said. You have nothing to apologize for, tiresome as the drama you are getting is.

Lee - 8-5-2011 at 08:00 AM

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Originally posted by Skipjack Joe

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Originally posted by David K

There is a solution for you and others who want to know nothing in advance of your Baja trips: DON'T READ TRIP REPORTS HERE!

Wow you really don't like David, do you?

Guess there's something in David's posts that I can't see through either.

MMc got emotional, admitted to ranting about the old lost days of Baja, thinks the ''mystique'' is long gone, and possibly believes David is part of the cause of this.

This is more territorial stuff to me. I got mine, it use to be better until you arrived with the crowds, and now it sucks so let's keep things secret.

Pecking order by unenlightened misfits: if you don't know where to surf, find out somewhere else. If you don't speak Spanish or live in Baja full time, you ain't shlt.

Anything else?

Skipjack Joe - 8-5-2011 at 08:36 AM

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Well, I guess I agree with his "rant" and feel he has the right to say the above and not be told to go elsewhere rather than say it.

This is not the first time that this tactic has been used by David and I don't much like it and find it wrong. If you disagree with someone then prove it rather than telling them to get lost. It's essentially a form of bullying.

Roberto - 8-5-2011 at 08:48 AM

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Originally posted by David K
I do stand up for the Baja Nomads that I think are treated unfairly... even if I don't know them... Some people are just plain mean and have been for years with false accusations about them or their children [they have never apologized for] (see the person above who loves to jump into any anti-DK posts).

There you go off the deep end, DK. I have nothing to apologize for, at least to you, since I never said anything that wasn't true.

You stand up for Baja Nomads that are treated unfairly? What's up with that? I guess I didn't realize that you are the white knight on this board to set the rest of us (mean people) straight?
:lol:

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I don't think I have ever 'attacked' anybody...

And you say that in the same thread where you do exactly what you say you have never done. :wow:

I guess it all depends on what the meaning of is is.

Now, you brought this up - not me. Your usual technique, digging up stuff and then accusing others of bashing you. And you do it like a true computer commando - in a snide side-comment and not face to face.

I asked you a couple questions above. Why don't you just answer them instead of diverting into "poor me, I'm being bashed by those mean people again. WAAAH WAAH WAAH".

You are a passive-agressive ***** with delusions of grandeur.

As far as "THAT" story goes, just let it go - I long ago decided there's no point in trying to get you to understand, and so have no reason to discuss it or bring it up.

[Edited on 8-5-2011 by Roberto]

[Edited on 8-5-2011 by BajaNomad]

motoged - 8-5-2011 at 09:44 AM

What an original and interesting thread....

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pXOpWde4C7M&feature=related

Lee - 8-5-2011 at 01:43 PM

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Originally posted by Roberto
You are a passive-agressive ***** with delusions of grandeur.
[Edited on 8-5-2011 by Roberto]

I don't follow a lot of posts from lack of interest. Some here have a ''history'' with DK and I don't. I am not aware of DK bashing anyone or bullying anyone in this post. Telling MMc to NOT read some posts on Baja seems fair -- esp. if those posts (Sisters) is troubling and represent a lost Baja -- and a grieving process is still taking place.

The above quote is a bash -- does DK do that? Is someone an authority on DK being passive/aggressive? What's the definition of ''*****?''

It looks like there's baggage from past posts and it's being dragged into this post.

If I ever get the GPS for any secret breaks, including Sisters, know I"ll post them. Don't think DK would do that -- out of respect for those who vehemently oppose that kind of secret telling. THAT should say something about DK.

[Edited on 8-5-2011 by BajaNomad]

Skipjack Joe - 8-5-2011 at 02:33 PM

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Originally posted by Lee

Telling MMc to NOT read some posts on Baja seems fair -- esp. if those posts (Sisters) is troubling and represent a lost Baja -- and a grieving process is still taking place.

Those posts were 'troubling' because David posted 'troubling' posts. And then told the reader to go elsewhere if he's 'troubled' by it rather than disagree online.

There were other bothersome posts which are now gone. Like the one about how he minimized his posts in deference to Woody. Gag. I've read all of it from the past and I'm familiar with all the "altruism".

woody with a view - 8-5-2011 at 04:26 PM

i'll clear the air here and add to the helium in the cranium of DK.

i did ask him to keep his spotlight turned down way back then. he did, and since then, i don't care if he wants to masturbate in the glow of his own shadow. we're all just people here for a short time, some longer than others. i don't care to ever run into DK although he is a wealth of info on topics he loves.

I'M JUST ECSTATIC HE DOESN'T CARE ABOUT SURFING!!!......

as for the re-hashing of the old vitriol, i really don't have enough time in my life to gag up the hairball that DK represents..... to each their own, and i hope each can respect each other.

i've met two and a half handful's of Nomads out there on the road and cherish the friendships this site has fostered. for the rest of you'se, especially my new circus monkey Rich, well, have a good life.

just don't camp upwind from me, please..... :spingrin:

edit: for the rest of the gang, i can't wait to share a story, beach, meal, or Neptune forbid, a setwave with you. just leave the names of the innocent nieces and nephews out of the report.....

[Edited on 8-5-2011 by woody with a view]

David K - 8-5-2011 at 04:27 PM

I guess as long as you say the sky is green and I say it is blue, we can not find common ground Igor... I never tell people to leave Nomad. Also, Woody can verify that we talked off the board in u2u's back in 2007 and I agreed to honor his requests for no GPS along the dirt roads I took (I had no interest in surf breaks if I even knew where one was) and to talk down the area... (cloudy, gloomy, ugly fish camps, etc.). I held up my part of the agreement, but still to this day get accused of posting secret GPS data... LOL!

So, for some here, I can do no right and no amount of facts or converstion and branches of friendship offered will change their mission to put me in a bad light.

I surely do not want any enemies... but if you come to a Baja discussion site and post that people shouldn't discuss something about Baja... that is just wank.