BajaNomad - Small plane crash off of Cardonal

Small plane crash off of Cardonal

gnukid - 7-28-2011 at 07:57 PM

http://colectivopericu.wordpress.com/2011/07/28/el-desplome-...

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The state attorney general, confirmed that Arreola Camillo at 8:51 am on Thursday the commander of the Ministerial Police of Los Barriles, reported that they found a dead and maimed bodies floating in the sea and one on the edge of the beach, also, the crash of a Cessna 210 registration N210EL, opposite the village of El Cardonal, delegation of Los Barriles, in the city and La Paz.

The State Attorney said that the progress of investigations conducted by the Public Prosecutor, Police Forensic Services Ministerial and throw the identification of two crew members who apparently took off from the airstrip of the Hotel Punta Pescadero without notice of the flight plan aviation authorities.

The deceased apparently responded to the names of Jose Rosario Avila Carrillo 51-year-old from Culiacan, Sinaloa, a professional mechanical pilot, and his son named Cyril Adam Olguin Avila, 24 years old, student occupation .

Arreola Leal said further research by the institution that represents and will be Civil Aviation authorities determine the possible causes of the crash of the aircraft, which still has not recovered from the depths of the sea.

PART NO OFFICIAL: Collective Pericú
The plane was taken without permission from Hotel Punta Colorada track. It was under the responsibility of a man named Acosta, who was staying at the Hotel Palmas de Cortez in Los Barriles.

[Edited on 7-29-2011 by gnukid]

Stickers - 7-28-2011 at 08:07 PM

The translation doesn't make sense and implies this was stolen plane - "taken without permission"

gnukid - 7-28-2011 at 08:18 PM

Yes, it is reported as likely stolen. You can do your own translation. Here's more:

http://colectivopericu.wordpress.com/2011/07/28/dos-cuerpos-...

La Paz, BCS, we have been receiving reports on our writing and indicate that two bodies were recovered at the site of plane crash occurred this morning, where staff of the Mexican Army and the Navy Department in charge of the situation.

A few moments ago the director of Civil Protection of the state government, Carlos Enriquez Rincon phone informed us that two bodies were located in the tourist boat Abilene No. 1 and were identified as Jose Rosario Avila Carrillo 54-year-old and his son Cyril Avila Holguin.

The NZ10 registration Cessna, was apparently stolen from the runway Hotel Palmas de Cortez, says the Director of Civil Protection. He fell into a place known as the line between the barrel and Cardonal.

It seems they were the only crew of the aircraft.

slimshady - 7-28-2011 at 10:12 PM

They stole a plane and then crashed. Sucks for them.

bajaandy - 7-29-2011 at 06:52 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by gnukid
The deceased apparently responded to the names of...

I think that's my favorite part of the translation. I can see it now: "Hey you, dead guy! What's your name?"

Bill Collector - 7-29-2011 at 07:13 AM

There is NO runway at Palmas de Cortez

bonanza bucko - 7-29-2011 at 07:27 AM

Wow!...somebody stole a big Cessna to haul pot and then found out that a C210 ain't easy to fly like a C206 or 182 which are the normal drug haulers.

Too bad the Mexican "authorities" don't know that Bobby VanWormer closed the Palmas de Cortez strip and turned it into a golf course about ten years ago...sometime there are cows out there too.

Us Bonanza drivers normally feel comforted that the druggies know better than to try flying one of our complex and fast birds that don't haul as much pot as a Cessna....but it's troubling to hear that the druggies apparently forgot that wheels coming up, lotsa horsepower and the need for a pro in the left seat is required to insure the trip doesn't end in the drink.

Sucks for whom?

thebajarunner - 7-29-2011 at 08:05 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by slimshady
They stole a plane and then crashed. Sucks for them.

seems to me like the only loser in this deal is the plane owner,
the pilots got what they wanted,
a free ride
and justice
I once owned a 210- took it to Muleje, just once,
decided I did not want to donate it to the Cartel....
so I sold it and just relied on my Cutlass for Baja flights.

LancairDriver - 7-29-2011 at 08:35 AM

The FAA registration has this aircraft being exported to Mexico from California in 2005, so it is not one of the many 210's that have been stolen over the years.
Also, the Cessna 210 is not a particularly more complex aircraft to fly than a 182, 206 or a Bonanza as demonstrated by the large number of them that have been successfully stolen in Mexico over the years. There are many Mexican pilots more skilled in flying into unimproved airstrips and under difficult conditions than the average US pilot. This one may have been rigged to fail by the owner given the high probability of theft in Mexico. Many US pilots have their own methods, including fuel starvation to prevent theft of their aircraft. In this case maybe the fuel lasted a little longer than expected. Just guessing as the true cause will probably never be known.

mtgoat666 - 7-29-2011 at 09:25 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Bill Collector
There is NO runway at Palmas de Cortez

plane was probably stolen by narcos from another narco (explaining why plane was taken from a closed strip).

another explanation for plane taking off from illegal strip is that the owner "authorized" pilot to fly plane, and now that it crashed with a questionable load the owner is claiming it was stolen

[Edited on 7-29-2011 by mtgoat666]

slimshady - 7-29-2011 at 03:04 PM

Time to start asking alot of questions. How did two men from Sinaloa come about a nice plane sitting on an airstrip? Did they just happen to be walking along the coast and decide it was a nice time to steal it? Where did they stay? Where is their car? Did anyone see these people before or days prior, I would be seriously talking to that pilot over at the Palmas.

Von - 7-29-2011 at 06:02 PM

Idiots~

windgrrl - 7-29-2011 at 10:24 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Bill Collector
There is NO runway at Palmas de Cortez

But there used to be...helicopters still use it to land there.

The end maybe?

bajadave1 - 7-30-2011 at 04:24 AM

That is the 3rd stolen 210 from Punta Pescadero in 3-4 years.
A couple of years ago, I did an annual (not valid) on a friends 210 out there. But he felt good about it. flew it back to the US.
Dave

it is not a "closed" strip

capt. mike - 7-30-2011 at 08:46 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by mtgoat666

Quote:

Originally posted by Bill Collector
There is NO runway at Palmas de Cortez

Closed had nada to do with it, as us long time baja pilots know - Palmas De Cortez pista is NOT even there anymore! When it was, it was the fricking road right in front of the hotel which was shared by ground vehicles and pedestrians. After many an accident involving moving aircraft and vehicles Van Wormer made the biz decision to close it since he had the PCL [punta Colorada] strip avail and more importantly most of his resort clientel were coming in via San Jose on jets to fish with his operations.

Eli - 7-30-2011 at 09:04 AM

In regard to where the plane was stolen from, as all locals know the airstrip at Palmas is now none existent, the road where is once was has been greatly narrowed by since built structures and the golf course, there is no way a plane could now land there without taking off it's wings; I think this is a perfect example of how far from reality the news media can be. We assume because it is reported in a news paper, it must be fact, when in fact who knows how much is conjecture on the part of the writer.

windgrrl - 7-31-2011 at 01:28 PM

ASN Wikibase Occurrence # 137767

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Date: 28-JUL-2011
Time: morning
Type: Silhouette image of generic C210 model; specific model in this crash may look slightly different
Cessna T210N Centurion II
Operator: Noé Acosta González
Registration: N210EL
C/n / msn: 21063843
Fatalities: Fatalities: 2 / Occupants: 2
Other fatalities: 0
Airplane damage: Written off (damaged beyond repair)
Location: Los Barriles - Mexico
Phase:
Nature: Illegal Flight
Departure airport: Punta Pescadero
Destination airport: El Cardonal
Narrative:
Crashed into sea.

Sources:
http://www.jornada.unam.mx/ultimas/2011/07/28/185528082-se-d...

http://aviation-safety.net/wikibase/wiki.php?id=137767

Stickers - 7-31-2011 at 06:56 PM

From the first post in this thread:

"who apparently took off from the airstrip of the Hotel Punta Pescadero"

capt. mike - 8-1-2011 at 05:53 PM

BBP/BPI is reporting the plane left from Punta Colorada.

unqualified info of course.

Ken Bondy - 8-1-2011 at 06:30 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by LancairDriver
Also, the Cessna 210 is not a particularly more complex aircraft to fly than a 182, 206 or a Bonanza....

I sure thought it was. I think the huge pitch changes you experience when flaps are added or retracted, and the fact that the high wing was much farther from ground effect on landing, made the 210 much more difficult to fly than, particularly, a Bonanza. I thought you had to constantly pay attention to flying a 210, but you just pointed the Bonanza (straight tail) in the right direction and everything worked out

. I thought 210s were much more difficult to land than either a Bonanza or a Baron. I never flew a 206 but I have about 500 hours each in both Bonanzas and 210s. I also thought the 210 was substantially more difficult to fly than a 182, but just because it was so much heavier and faster - and then there's the gear....

[Edited on 8-2-2011 by Ken Bondy]

Floatflyer - 8-2-2011 at 07:13 AM

With 2,000 hrs in a 210 and close to 1,000 hrs each in a 182 and a 206, it is my opinion that there is not very much difference in the flying of any of them. AND certainly not enough to cause a crash on this type of flight. IF this was a theft, the good news is that there are 2 less thieves around. I am also surprised that the media didn't blame the crash on a lack of a flight plan, tee, hee.

bonanza bucko - 8-2-2011 at 07:21 AM

Floatflyer:

Well..I disagree. You may have forgotten what it was like to sit in a C210 for the first time after a lot of hours in a C182/206. I too have a lot of hours....3000 in my Bonanza for starters...and and another 800 in my old C182 straight tail (good Baja bird) and another 1000 as a CFI years ago in just about every GA airplane you can think of. I have seen good C182 and Cherokee pilots manhandle a C210 so badly that they were at risk of breaking their butts. If those two thieves were new to a C210, in the dark, in a hurry and stressed by their crime I think there would have been a good chance for them to prang the thing.

I agree that a C210 is pretty easy to fly and that so is a Bonanza but yer basic fixed gear weekend....or illicit...pilot ain't anywhere near ready to fly one safely.

Ken Bondy - 8-2-2011 at 07:23 AM

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Originally posted by Floatflyer
With 2,000 hrs in a 210 and close to 1,000 hrs each in a 182 and a 206, it is my opinion that there is not very much difference in the flying of any of them. AND certainly not enough to cause a crash on this type of flight. IF this was a theft, the good news is that there are 2 less thieves around. I am also surprised that the media didn't blame the crash on a lack of a flight plan, tee, hee.

I hope you don't think that anything I said suggested that the real or perceived difficulty in flying a 210 versus the other models had anything to do with this particular 210 augering into the water. It didn't.

Floatflyer - 8-2-2011 at 07:55 AM

Well, maybe I was just an exceptional pilot and did not have that much trouble transitioning from one plane to another.

I have never owned a Bonanza and have only flown in a couple so no opinion on that. One other point was if this was a theft, there would probably have been a simple take off and climb to a cruise condition. No reason to be maneuvering at low altitude.

But, differences of opinion is what makes horse racing. FF

couldn't find the orig thread but

capt. mike - 8-7-2011 at 09:58 AM

update on BPI.

It appears that the recent crash of a Cessna 210 departing Punta Pescadero early in the morning last week may not have been a theft.

From several sources this is what I have been told:

According to the FAA website the accident aircraft was deregistered with the FAA in 2005 when it was exported to Mexico.

The pilot and his son who died in the crash had flown the aircraft into Punta Pescadero about a month prior to the accident. They registered the AC with the Hotel Punta Pescadero using factious [SIC] names.

They appear to have been staying at the Hotel Calafia in Buena Vista. After the accident the pilot’s daughter was found at the Hotel Calafia and at least questioned if not arrested by authorities.

To date pieces of the AC have been recovered but so far no drugs have been reported to have been found in the wreckage.

The Punta Pescadero Airport remains open and the military is now on guard 24/7.

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David K - 8-7-2011 at 01:17 PM

AC ?

Barry A. - 8-7-2011 at 01:59 PM

AC = aircraft. :spingrin:

DENNIS - 8-7-2011 at 02:22 PM

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Originally posted by Barry A.
AC = aircraft. :spingrin:

Hi Barry......you've been laying low. It's good to see you back.

Is that lieing low...lying low?? Something doesn't seem right.
Ohhh....I know. My beer is empty.
Or...is that MT?

.

[Edited on 8-7-2011 by DENNIS]

Barry A. - 8-7-2011 at 03:54 PM

Hi Dennis--------thanks for the acknowledgement, and all that. I have been moving around a lot for a few months taking care of business, and mostly away from the computer, etc..

As far as "posting" is concerned, I also began to feel pretty guilty as it has been so long since I have been to Mexico (5 years now) that most of my 'Baja' input was getting awfully dated.

I do check NOMADS from time to time to see if you guys have everything under control-------------most of the time you do. :lol:

Anything "in the boonies" that is posted is still of interest to me, like this thread on the pole line road-----never got to run this adventurous trip before, so I am always interested. Funny, I explored all around it over many years, but never made the run down the PL road itself. I am envious!!!! Looks like a D-4 Cat would come in handy.

Barry

Bajahowodd - 8-7-2011 at 04:12 PM

Maybe just me. But it just seems that if you're going to fly in to Punta Pescadero, why would you then stay at Buena Vista?

I know nothing about the rates between SJD and Punta Pescadero, but once landed, one would have to drive a someone tricky 9 mile dirt road just to reach pavement.

I've actually stayed at Hotel Punta Pescadero. Lovely place.

But given that if one was to land at SJD, it would be only a 50 mile drive on well maintained pavement to Buena Vista, the idea of landing on the strip at Punta Pescadero certainly raises some red flags for me.

Smuggling, anyone?

UnoMas - 8-7-2011 at 04:41 PM

I would guess that a room at Punta Pescadero would be quite expensive for a month stay verses Calafia.... :light:

[Edited on 8-8-2011 by UnoMas]

Stickers - 8-7-2011 at 09:52 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Bajahowodd
Maybe just me. But it just seems that if you're going to fly in to Punta Pescadero, why would you then stay at Buena Vista?

I know nothing about the rates between SJD and Punta Pescadero, but once landed, one would have to drive a someone tricky 9 mile dirt road just to reach pavement.

I've actually stayed at Hotel Punta Pescadero. Lovely place.

But given that if one was to land at SJD, it would be only a 50 mile drive on well maintained pavement to Buena Vista, the idea of landing on the strip at Punta Pescadero certainly raises some red flags for me.

Smuggling, anyone?

Pescadero is the only reasonable (paved) airport in the area. If you get permission to use it and don't stay at the resort you will save about $300 per night since Hotel Pescardero is for rich gringos and doesn't see much stay a month occupancy.

capt. mike - 8-8-2011 at 06:27 AM

and..........small planes landing at SJD are charged ridiculous premiums up to $200 a day in ramp fees and parking/handling.
they do NOT want small GA at SJD. so they price em out of the market to ensure they go to CSL instead.