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gnukid
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Small plane crash off of Cardonal
http://colectivopericu.wordpress.com/2011/07/28/el-desplome-...
translation
The state attorney general, confirmed that Arreola Camillo at 8:51 am on Thursday the commander of the Ministerial Police of Los Barriles, reported
that they found a dead and maimed bodies floating in the sea and one on the edge of the beach, also, the crash of a Cessna 210 registration N210EL,
opposite the village of El Cardonal, delegation of Los Barriles, in the city and La Paz.
The State Attorney said that the progress of investigations conducted by the Public Prosecutor, Police Forensic Services Ministerial and throw the
identification of two crew members who apparently took off from the airstrip of the Hotel Punta Pescadero without notice of the flight plan aviation
authorities.
The deceased apparently responded to the names of Jose Rosario Avila Carrillo 51-year-old from Culiacan, Sinaloa, a professional mechanical pilot, and
his son named Cyril Adam Olguin Avila, 24 years old, student occupation .
Arreola Leal said further research by the institution that represents and will be Civil Aviation authorities determine the possible causes of the
crash of the aircraft, which still has not recovered from the depths of the sea.
PART NO OFFICIAL: Collective Pericú
The plane was taken without permission from Hotel Punta Colorada track. It was under the responsibility of a man named Acosta, who was staying at the
Hotel Palmas de Cortez in Los Barriles.
[Edited on 7-29-2011 by gnukid]
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The translation doesn't make sense and implies this was stolen plane - "taken without permission"
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Yes, it is reported as likely stolen. You can do your own translation. Here's more:
http://colectivopericu.wordpress.com/2011/07/28/dos-cuerpos-...
La Paz, BCS, we have been receiving reports on our writing and indicate that two bodies were recovered at the site of plane crash occurred this
morning, where staff of the Mexican Army and the Navy Department in charge of the situation.
A few moments ago the director of Civil Protection of the state government, Carlos Enriquez Rincon phone informed us that two bodies were located in
the tourist boat Abilene No. 1 and were identified as Jose Rosario Avila Carrillo 54-year-old and his son Cyril Avila Holguin.
The NZ10 registration Cessna, was apparently stolen from the runway Hotel Palmas de Cortez, says the Director of Civil Protection. He fell into a
place known as the line between the barrel and Cardonal.
It seems they were the only crew of the aircraft.
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They stole a plane and then crashed. Sucks for them.
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| Quote: | Originally posted by gnukid
The deceased apparently responded to the names of... |
I think that's my favorite part of the translation. I can see it now: "Hey you, dead guy! What's your name?"
subvert the dominant paradigm
"If you travel with a man, you must either fall out with him or make him your good friend."
JBL Noel
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Bill Collector
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There is NO runway at Palmas de Cortez
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Wow!...somebody stole a big Cessna to haul pot and then found out that a C210 ain't easy to fly like a C206 or 182 which are the normal drug haulers.
Too bad the Mexican "authorities" don't know that Bobby VanWormer closed the Palmas de Cortez strip and turned it into a golf course about ten years
ago...sometime there are cows out there too.
Us Bonanza drivers normally feel comforted that the druggies know better than to try flying one of our complex and fast birds that don't haul as much
pot as a Cessna....but it's troubling to hear that the druggies apparently forgot that wheels coming up, lotsa horsepower and the need for a pro in
the left seat is required to insure the trip doesn't end in the drink.
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Sucks for whom?
| Quote: | Originally posted by slimshady
They stole a plane and then crashed. Sucks for them. |
seems to me like the only loser in this deal is the plane owner,
the pilots got what they wanted,
a free ride
and justice
I once owned a 210- took it to Muleje, just once,
decided I did not want to donate it to the Cartel....
so I sold it and just relied on my Cutlass for Baja flights.
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The FAA registration has this aircraft being exported to Mexico from California in 2005, so it is not one of the many 210's that have been stolen over
the years.
Also, the Cessna 210 is not a particularly more complex aircraft to fly than a 182, 206 or a Bonanza as demonstrated by the large number of them that
have been successfully stolen in Mexico over the years. There are many Mexican pilots more skilled in flying into unimproved airstrips and under
difficult conditions than the average US pilot. This one may have been rigged to fail by the owner given the high probability of theft in Mexico. Many
US pilots have their own methods, including fuel starvation to prevent theft of their aircraft. In this case maybe the fuel lasted a little longer
than expected. Just guessing as the true cause will probably never be known.
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Bill Collector
There is NO runway at Palmas de Cortez |
plane was probably stolen by narcos from another narco (explaining why plane was taken from a closed strip).
another explanation for plane taking off from illegal strip is that the owner "authorized" pilot to fly plane, and now that it crashed with a
questionable load the owner is claiming it was stolen
[Edited on 7-29-2011 by mtgoat666]
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Time to start asking alot of questions. How did two men from Sinaloa come about a nice plane sitting on an airstrip? Did they just happen to be
walking along the coast and decide it was a nice time to steal it? Where did they stay? Where is their car? Did anyone see these people before or days
prior, I would be seriously talking to that pilot over at the Palmas.
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Idiots~
READY SET.....................
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Bill Collector
There is NO runway at Palmas de Cortez |
But there used to be...helicopters still use it to land there.
When the way comes to an end, then change. Having changed, you pass through.
~ I-Ching
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The end maybe?
That is the 3rd stolen 210 from Punta Pescadero in 3-4 years.
A couple of years ago, I did an annual (not valid) on a friends 210 out there. But he felt good about it. flew it back to the US.
Dave
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it is not a "closed" strip
| Quote: | Originally posted by mtgoat666
| Quote: | Originally posted by Bill Collector
There is NO runway at Palmas de Cortez |
plane was probably stolen by narcos from another narco (explaining why plane was taken from a closed strip).
another explanation for plane taking off from illegal strip is that the owner "authorized" pilot to fly plane, and now that it crashed with a
questionable load the owner is claiming it was stolen
[Edited on 7-29-2011 by mtgoat666] |
Closed had nada to do with it, as us long time baja pilots know - Palmas De Cortez pista is NOT even there anymore! When it was, it was the fricking
road right in front of the hotel which was shared by ground vehicles and pedestrians. After many an accident involving moving aircraft and vehicles
Van Wormer made the biz decision to close it since he had the PCL [punta Colorada] strip avail and more importantly most of his resort clientel were
coming in via San Jose on jets to fish with his operations.
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In regard to where the plane was stolen from, as all locals know the airstrip at Palmas is now none existent, the road where is once was has been
greatly narrowed by since built structures and the golf course, there is no way a plane could now land there without taking off it's wings; I think
this is a perfect example of how far from reality the news media can be. We assume because it is reported in a news paper, it must be fact, when in
fact who knows how much is conjecture on the part of the writer.
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ASN Wikibase Occurrence # 137767
This information is added by users of ASN. ASN nor the Flight Safety Foundation are responsible for the completeness or correctness of this
information. If you feel this information is incomplete or incorrect, you can submit corrected information.
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Date: 28-JUL-2011
Time: morning
Type: Silhouette image of generic C210 model; specific model in this crash may look slightly different
Cessna T210N Centurion II
Operator: Noé Acosta González
Registration: N210EL
C/n / msn: 21063843
Fatalities: Fatalities: 2 / Occupants: 2
Other fatalities: 0
Airplane damage: Written off (damaged beyond repair)
Location: Los Barriles - Mexico
Phase:
Nature: Illegal Flight
Departure airport: Punta Pescadero
Destination airport: El Cardonal
Narrative:
Crashed into sea.
Sources:
http://www.jornada.unam.mx/ultimas/2011/07/28/185528082-se-d...
http://aviation-safety.net/wikibase/wiki.php?id=137767
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From the first post in this thread:
"who apparently took off from the airstrip of the Hotel Punta Pescadero"
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BBP/BPI is reporting the plane left from Punta Colorada.
unqualified info of course.
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| Quote: | Originally posted by LancairDriver
Also, the Cessna 210 is not a particularly more complex aircraft to fly than a 182, 206 or a Bonanza.... |
I sure thought it was. I think the huge pitch changes you experience when flaps are added or retracted, and the fact that the high wing was much
farther from ground effect on landing, made the 210 much more difficult to fly than, particularly, a Bonanza. I thought you had to constantly pay
attention to flying a 210, but you just pointed the Bonanza (straight tail) in the right direction and everything worked out  . I thought 210s were much more difficult to land than either a Bonanza or a Baron.
I never flew a 206 but I have about 500 hours each in both Bonanzas and 210s. I also thought the 210 was substantially more difficult to fly than a
182, but just because it was so much heavier and faster - and then there's the gear....
[Edited on 8-2-2011 by Ken Bondy]
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