BajaNomad - Racism on this board

Racism on this board

Roberto - 9-25-2011 at 03:24 PM

On and off, through the years I have participated in OT on-and-off. Mostly off. I understand the conditions under which Doug established that area - I was there when it happened.

But do those rules really mean that anyone can say ANYTHING? At the point it is now, it seems there is nothing going on aside from personal insults. Ah, yes - there is another thing, and that is BLATANT racism. we have JoeJustJoe continually referring to people in clear, unmistakeable racist terms. Drawing an equivalence between an insult and saying a person is Jewish.The kind of terms that brought on the Holocaust.

Is this what is desired? Are the managers of this website REALlY just going to stand by and let this continue? Complicity?

And Joe is not the only one. Skeet has recently, continuously referred to "Negroes", and other ethnicities and attempted to attribute behavior to race. Now, if that is not the definition of racism, I must have missed a LOT during the last 30 years.

So, continue to let it be a free-for-all. Those that choose to participate deserve what they get. But, let's also draw some limit somewhere.

[Edited on 9-25-2011 by Roberto]

Cypress - 9-25-2011 at 03:27 PM

Good Lord! Give it a break! Can we have at least one racism -free zone?

Woooosh - 9-25-2011 at 03:29 PM

you can point out cultural differences and be called a racist here in a heartbeat.

DENNIS - 9-25-2011 at 03:32 PM

Wouldn't this belong in the Baja 1000 thread? That's where the racists are.

Pompano - 9-25-2011 at 03:42 PM

Hatred. It's a way of life here.

"The French hate the British,

..the British hate the Dutch,

.....and I don't like ANYBODY very MUCH!."

Kingston Trio...1961

I'm from North Dakota where racism means you head for Speedway every Sunday afternoon.

Bajahowodd - 9-25-2011 at 04:01 PM

Somewhat cute Pompano. But, from my perspective, having lived over six centuries, and been involved in activist causes, including the Selma/ Montgomery thing, I have come, late in life, to the realization that mankind is fundamentally racist. Tribalism has driven actions throughout history.

And I actually think that people who claim that they are not racists are in some way in denial. It's a big stretch to go from lynchings in the South to what seems to be an organized effort to derail the current president from having a second term. But, underlying it all is what I would consider an undeniable ingrained racist/ tribalist motivation that most folks just do not understand.

I just think that is what the HUMAN race is about. There is some form of visceral reaction that people feel and think.

Perhaps our culture might benefit from some form of therapy/ activism wherein folks are able to channel their gut feelings for the better of everyone.

DENNIS - 9-25-2011 at 04:06 PM

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Originally posted by Bajahowodd
But, from my perspective, having lived over six centuries,

WOW....you are old.
Decades...maybe?? :lol:

I Don't Discrimanate Against Dogs

Gypsy Jan - 9-25-2011 at 04:12 PM

Unless they bite me.

Hey folks, just a little humour here.

GJ

Cypress - 9-25-2011 at 04:13 PM

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Originally posted by Bajahowodd
Somewhat cute Pompano. But, from my perspective, having lived over six centuries, and been involved in activist causes, including the Selma/ Montgomery thing, It's a big stretch to go from lynchings in the South to what seems to be an organized effort to derail the current president from having a second term. [/quote
Derail the current president from having a second term? Is racist? Maybe you need to revisit Selma/Montogomery. Touch base with your roots. Some folks are just as dense at 60 as they were at 16.

sanquintinsince73 - 9-25-2011 at 04:42 PM

Man, give it a rest! If someone chooses to be racist, then so be it. Talk about Baja, mental midgets. I am an American patriot of Mexican ancestry who happens to belong to the Republican party. In my neck of the woods that makes me a racist. Give me a f****** break.

DENNIS - 9-25-2011 at 04:50 PM

HONKY..and proud of it. :lol:

sanquintinsince73 - 9-25-2011 at 04:52 PM

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Originally posted by DENNIS
HONKY..and proud of it. :lol:

There you go, amigo. I'm proud of you being proud. :lol:

mulegemichael - 9-25-2011 at 05:08 PM

howard...back den was der electricity?...

...If you have a RACIST friend, now is the time for your friendship to end!

Ken Cooke - 9-25-2011 at 06:01 PM

BARACK OBAMA!

Ken Cooke - 9-25-2011 at 06:06 PM

JESSE - 9-25-2011 at 06:08 PM

There is a problem. And just because many don't see it, it doesn't mean its not there. Over the years i see frequent comments by some posters that have clear racist overtones, and then you see these same posters show their real selves in the OT side. The embarrasing thing is that this is a Baja board, and baja is full of Mexicans, in Mexico, so it is a serious subject.

woody with a view - 9-25-2011 at 06:15 PM

i didn't vote for BO. i guess i'm a hater/racist pig..... :barf:

grow up!

jbcoug - 9-25-2011 at 08:22 PM

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to what seems to be an organized effort to derail the current president from having a second term.

Well, I haven't lived six centuries, but in the years I have lived I've never seen an incumbent president seeking another term without there being an organized effort to derail his plans for a second term. (Just look at the recent past incumbents)

Certainly racism exists, but please don't try to make it the explanation for everything.

John

nbacc - 9-25-2011 at 08:26 PM

Talk about Baja!

Paula - 9-25-2011 at 08:49 PM

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Originally posted by JESSE
There is a problem. And just because many don't see it, it doesn't mean its not there. Over the years i see frequent comments by some posters that have clear racist overtones, and then you see these same posters show their real selves in the OT side. The embarrasing thing is that this is a Baja board, and baja is full of Mexicans, in Mexico, so it is a serious subject.

I see this too Jesse. And it embarrasses me.

3 ring circus and a KKK for ring master

mcfez - 9-26-2011 at 08:07 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Roberto
On and off, through the years I have participated in OT on-and-off. Mostly off. I understand the conditions under which Doug established that area - I was there when it happened.

But do those rules really mean that anyone can say ANYTHING? At the point it is now, it seems there is nothing going on aside from personal insults. Ah, yes - there is another thing, and that is BLATANT racism. we have JoeJustJoe continually referring to people in clear, unmistakeable racist terms. Drawing an equivalence between an insult and saying a person is Jewish.The kind of terms that brought on the Holocaust.

Is this what is desired? Are the managers of this website REALlY just going to stand by and let this continue? Complicity?

And Joe is not the only one. Skeet has recently, continuously referred to "Negroes", and other ethnicities and attempted to attribute behavior to race. Now, if that is not the definition of racism, I must have missed a LOT during the last 30 years.

So, continue to let it be a free-for-all. Those that choose to participate deserve what they get. But, let's also draw some limit somewhere.

[Edited on 9-25-2011 by Roberto]

Well Roberto...
Good luck trying to calm down the idiots of the board....the racist idiots. I got a few emails about 6 months ago...asking to to get into the O.T. to punk some of these racist fools in there.

Yes..it was bad. It still is bad! I tried and succeeded for a while to tame it. Hell...I even took over OT with over postings......and still the racist fools were there.

It was requested that I leave the OT by someone high on my standards list here at BN.....

Roberto.....it's been explained to me...that the OT was create for these folks of racist minds...as well as for.....the political debates and the rest of the NON BAJA topics....to keep them out of the regular topics. Made sense. I got out.

I do indeed respect you for your views over there.

Regards.

wessongroup - 9-26-2011 at 08:17 AM

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Originally posted by DENNIS

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Originally posted by Bajahowodd
But, from my perspective, having lived over six centuries,

WOW....you are old.
Decades...maybe?? :lol:

Hey, I get carried away too... :lol:

elizabeth - 9-26-2011 at 08:23 AM

Same as Jesse and Paula...

durrelllrobert - 9-26-2011 at 08:25 AM

THIS WHOLE THREAD SOULD GET MOVED TO OT. Very little to do with Baja IMHO. :wow:

JESSE - 9-26-2011 at 08:50 AM

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Originally posted by durrelllrobert
THIS WHOLE THREAD SOULD GET MOVED TO OT. Very little to do with Baja IMHO. :wow:

I disagree, many of the remarks and comments are made right here in the main board.

JoeJustJoe - 9-26-2011 at 11:29 AM

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Originally posted by JESSE

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Originally posted by durrelllrobert
THIS WHOLE THREAD SOULD GET MOVED TO OT. Very little to do with Baja IMHO. :wow:

I disagree, many of the remarks and comments are made right here in the main board.

I agree some of the most racist and insensitive posts are right here on the main board, but because "Baja Nomad" is mostly a older forum for white expats it sometimes goes unnoticed because many of the gringo members believe the same stereotypes.

Even when Baja Nomad members are trying to be nice towards Mexican people what they say comes off as a racial stereotype. For example you often hear that, " Oh Mexicans are such warm people and often willing to help you out."

You would never hear something said about Americans, and how they are very warm. The closest you might get is something like," Oh the people in New York are so rude, or people in the Midwest are so nice.

But generally you don't hear a stereotype about Americans in America, because as you know there are so many types of Americans with differnt personality types that you can't pigeonhole every American with some positive or negative stereotype image. Of course when Americans go traveling people in other countries do stereotype Americans are "ugly Americans."

But yes Mexicans are warm people, and helpful, but Mexico also has Mexicans that will slit your throat, rob you, cheat you, and some will help you out Mexicans come in shapes and sizes. You can't stereotype a whole class of people, yet I see it all the time on this forum. Just last week one Nomad member made a very insensitive remark about Mexicans are taught "defeat" and have no backbone, but a different word was used. I felt that was very rude, condescending, and smacked as a racial stereotype!

When I use to lurk at the "OT" before I started to post. I found the "OT" area to be very hateful towards liberals with all the talk about looney liberals. The "OT" area had many posts that were bigoted towards, Blacks, Mexicans, Muslims, and gays. This was non stopped. What McFez and I tried to do is even the odds and put a mirror up to some of these very right-wing Nomad members that were engaged in non stop racial trolling.

I'm not surprised Roberto only looks to the more liberal members, and complains only about just them. He did include racism by a older right-wing member this time, but he is just try to cover his tracks because he knows I would ask about the Blacks, Mexicans, Muslims and gays that are always bashed in the "OT" area. I think it's pretty funny to just complain about so-called antisemitism when the whole "OT" was off the chart racist, and that's what Roberto use to do only complain about JoeJustJoe. It should be noted Roberto is a member of a hate forum that engages in non stop hating against Mexico, Mexicans, and Muslims. ( shame on Roberto)

The other problems in the "OT" area are the second handles. Banned ex-Nomad members come here to cause havoc and if they are banned, it's no sweat off their brow because they will just come back as another handle.

[Edited on 9-26-2011 by JoeJustJoe]

durrelllrobert - 9-26-2011 at 11:51 AM

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Originally posted by JoeJustJoe

Even when Baja Nomad members are trying to be nice towards Mexican people what they say comes off as a racial stereotype. For example you often hear that, " Oh Mexicans are such warm people and ofter willing to help you out."
---- He did include racism by a older right-wing member this time, but he is just try to cover his tracks because he knows I would ask about the Blacks, Mexicans, Muslims and gays that are always bashed in the "OT" area.
[Edited on 9-26-2011 by JoeJustJoe]

" Oh Mexicans are such warm people and ofter willing to help you out."
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If that is a racial steriortype/slur don't overlook these ones:
- the irish are such hard workers
- the Chinese are so clever
- the French are such good lovers
- the italians are such good cooks
- the Polishe are --- etc., etc., etc.

[Edited on 9-26-2011 by durrelllrobert]

DENNIS - 9-26-2011 at 12:09 PM

OT has sprung a leak and all this brown stuff is oozing into the main board.
This is serious sht, folks. Watch where you step until this gets fixed.

tripledigitken - 9-26-2011 at 12:10 PM

JJJ,

Your antisemitic rants on OT are inexcusable, crawl back in your cave.

Ken

DENNIS - 9-26-2011 at 12:12 PM

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Originally posted by tripledigitken
JJJ,

Your antisemitic rants on OT are inexcusable, crawl back in your cave.

Ken

JJJ is only one letter away from KKK.

Roberto - 9-26-2011 at 12:46 PM

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Originally posted by tripledigitken
JJJ,

Your antisemitic rants on OT are inexcusable, crawl back in your cave.

Ken

My point exactly. So why is he allowed to continue? Doug, this question is addressed to you.

Roberto - 9-26-2011 at 01:01 PM

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Originally posted by mcfez
Roberto.....it's been explained to me...that the OT was create for these folks of racist minds...as well as for.....the political debates and the rest of the NON BAJA topics....to keep them out of the regular topics. Made sense. I got out.
Regards.

Well, that's close to true. OT was created by Doug so that the board would have a place for "free discussion" of things not Baja related. I don't ever recall anyone ever talking about having a place to house racists. And for a while, it even managed to be civilized, though it was always "lively" :lol:

Mostly politics is what was discussed.

Obviously civility is not with any sort of reach any more, but I hold out home that the people who are responsible for this board will stop allowing the kind of despicable racism I brought up in the initial post. It's just not acceptable to use the word "jew" as an insult, nor to support Ahmedinajad, a man who has advocated wiping Israel off the face of the earth and regularly denies the Holocaust ever happened. I firmly believe that allowing N-zis of this kind to spew their filth is the beginning of a slippery slope. Next we will allow them to roam while they reinstate pogroms. Or Apartheid, which seems to be right up Skeet's alley.

IMO, the first time someone makes a racist comment, they should be banned. Period. I mentioned two prime candidates, but are they the only ones? Not even close.

There are more subtle forms of racism displayed on this board as well, and not in OT. It's common to see people talking of Mexicans as servants, or close to that. When there are discussions of activities in Baja, they are usually Gringo-centered, but I digress.

I find personal insults and attacks also questionable, but they do not reach the threshold of racism.

This is my point. I wanted to clarify - not that it will make one iota of difference.

Again, I hope some action will be taked, but based on past behavior I rather doubt it. I will never understand that.

And with that, I am done on this one. Thanks for listening. :lol:

JoeJustJoe - 9-26-2011 at 01:46 PM

So Roberto we aren't even suppose to be allowed to use the word "Jew" because it's racist to do so? Let me use a right-wing argument. Jews aren't a race, they're an ethic heritage.

Roberto why are you always taking the Jewish side of the debate? Don't you see the double standard going on. In 1947 many of the countries that want to deny Palestinian statehood in 2011 went before the UN General Assembly and pleaded for the rights of European White Jews to have a homeland, but today deny the Palestinians the same right. That's just not right.

Roberto I think you're racially bias against Muslims, and if you recall you engaged in racism yourself against Muslims, and referred to me in derogatory Muslim names instead of Joe! I would have been offended too if I were actually a foreign born Muslim. I got to admit it was a great job of your cult leader Roberto of painting me as a Muslim that way when I talk about Mexican issues it takes away my credibility and makes gringos hate me more especially if I say anything negative about Jews.( Oh I'm sorry I said Jews) Roberto do you believe my Momma named me Jihad?

Without going into detail. Dennis is the most frequent abuser of racially insensitive remarks towards Mexicans. Of course he will deny it, but I think most people here know what I'm talking about.

If anything Baja Nomads need more Mexican posters not less. You do have a few Mexican posters here, even Mexican nationals, but I have a feeling they bite their lips before telling you their real feelings because they may have commercial interests. I'm not like that, and do speak my mind, but out of respect for the main forum. I do most of my posting in the "OT' area. I don't like heavy censorship and that's what Roberto is asking for. It's always that way when somebody says something others don't like.

I remember when a Nomad member put up a picture of a Monkey on a phone referring to a well Known black "Nomad" member! Where was Roberto's outrage then? Roberto is a member of one of the worst "hate sites' I have ever seen, and where members instead of white sheets use anonymous handles to spread racial hate. It's like Roberto is a member of the KKK, and he is pointing a finger at JoeJustJoe calling him a racist. How funny. :lol:

[Edited on 9-26-2011 by JoeJustJoe]

durrelllrobert - 9-26-2011 at 01:52 PM

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Originally posted by Roberto
Well, that's close to true. OT was created by Doug so that the board would have a place for "free discussion" of things not Baja related. I don't ever recall anyone ever talking about having a place to house racists. And for a while, it even managed to be civilized, though it was always "lively" :lol:

Mostly politics is what was discussed.

"I firmly believe that allowing N-zis of this kind to spew their filth .."
________________________________________________
Is refering to someone as a N-zi not just as bad as refering to someone as a jew in terms of racial insults? As a person of German heritage you have insulted me.
______________________________________________
"IMO, the first time someone makes a racist comment, they should be banned. "
_______________________________________________
but of course you are exempt?

[Edited on 9-26-2011 by durrelllrobert]

mtgoat666 - 9-26-2011 at 02:00 PM

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Originally posted by Roberto

Quote:

Originally posted by tripledigitken
JJJ,

Your antisemitic rants on OT are inexcusable, crawl back in your cave.

Ken

My point exactly. So why is he allowed to continue? Doug, this question is addressed to you.

roberto, ken,
the anti-muslim, anti-black and anti-gay hate speech in the OT is far more prevalent than the anti-semetic hate speech.... of course that is no excuse for joejoe responding with hate speech to counter hate speech...

durrelllrobert - 9-26-2011 at 02:09 PM

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Originally posted by JoeJustJoe

Without going into detail. Dennis is the most frequent abuser of racially insensitive remarks towards Mexicans. Of course he will deny it, but I think most people here know what I'm talking about.

[Edited on 9-26-2011 by JoeJustJoe]

WTF are you talking about :?:

Dave - 9-26-2011 at 02:49 PM

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Originally posted by Roberto
Again, I hope some action will be taken, but based on past behavior I rather doubt it. I will never understand that.

I know it's been brought to Doug's attention on more than one occasion by more than one poster. I find his inaction disappointing, to say the least and his silence here even more disturbing.

JoeJustJoe - 9-26-2011 at 03:04 PM

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Originally posted by Dave

Quote:

Originally posted by Roberto
Again, I hope some action will be taken, but based on past behavior I rather doubt it. I will never understand that.

I know it's been brought to Doug's attention on more than one occasion by more than one poster. I find his inaction disappointing, to say the least and his silence here even more disturbing.

Dave has anti-Muslim hate speech right there on his signature. Many forums will delete that, or ban you for doing stuff like that. But I guess it's OK as long as there isn't any so-called anti-semitism. Dave also refers to me in anti-Muslim terms, and jokes about Muslims in the "OT' area. I would be really offended if I were Muslims. In fact I'm offended even if I'm not Muslim. Dave just doesn't push the envelope, but he engages in bigotry too.

Notice how all the extremists right-wingers are only against Joe?

Dave's signature: ( how offensive and it's in the main area of "BN" too and everywhere he goes)

Islam is the religion of 'peace' and Muslims will kill you to prove it.

bajamigo - 9-26-2011 at 04:26 PM

Well, as long as we've steered this post into a morass of comparative religion, let's see if the Koran negates Dave's "signature":

[3.151] We will cast terror into the hearts of those who disbelieve, because they set up with Allah that for which He has sent down no authority, and their abode is the fire, and evil is the abode of the unjust.

[4.89] They desire that you should disbelieve as they have disbelieved, so that you might be (all) alike; therefore take not from among them friends until they fly (their homes) in Allah's way; but if they turn back, then seize them and kill them wherever you find them, and take not from among them a friend or a helper.

[5.33] The punishment of those who wage war against Allah and His apostle and strive to make mischief in the land is only this, that they should be murdered or crucified or their hands and their feet should be cut off on opposite sides or they should be imprisoned; this shall be as a disgrace for them in this world, and in the hereafter they shall have a grievous chastisement,

[8.12] When your Lord revealed to the angels: I am with you, therefore make firm those who believe. I will cast terror into the hearts of those who disbelieve. Therefore strike off their heads and strike off every fingertip of them.

[8.39] And fight with them until there is no more persecution and religion should be only for Allah; but if they desist, then surely Allah sees what they do.

[9.5] So when the sacred months have passed away, then slay the idolaters wherever you find them, and take them captives and besiege them and lie in wait for them in every ambush, then if they repent and keep up prayer and pay the poor-rate, leave their way free to them; surely Allah is Forgiving, Merciful.

[9.29] Fight those who do not believe in Allah, nor in the latter day, nor do they prohibit what Allah and His Apostle have prohibited, nor follow the religion of truth, out of those who have been given the Book, until they pay the tax in acknowledgment of superiority and they are in a state of subjection.

[9.111] Surely Allah has bought of the believers their persons and their property for this, that they shall have the garden; they fight in Allah's way, so they slay and are slain; a promise which is binding on Him in the Taurat and the Injeel and the Quran; and who is more faithful to his covenant than Allah? Rejoice therefore in the pledge which you have made; and that is the mighty achievement.

tripledigitken - 9-26-2011 at 04:40 PM

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Originally posted by mtgoat666

Quote:

Originally posted by Roberto

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Originally posted by tripledigitken
JJJ,

Your antisemitic rants on OT are inexcusable, crawl back in your cave.

Ken

My point exactly. So why is he allowed to continue? Doug, this question is addressed to you.

Goat,

You seem to have forget the misogynistic insults you personally lobbed at Old Lady. What a hypocrite.

Ken

oxxo - 9-26-2011 at 04:41 PM

Time to take this whole thread down. :rolleyes:

Bajahowodd - 9-26-2011 at 04:41 PM

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Originally posted by bajamigo
Well, as long as we've steered this post into a morass of comparative religion, let's see if the Koran negates Dave's "signature":

[3.151] We will cast terror into the hearts of those who disbelieve, because they set up with Allah that for which He has sent down no authority, and their abode is the fire, and evil is the abode of the unjust.

[4.89] They desire that you should disbelieve as they have disbelieved, so that you might be (all) alike; therefore take not from among them friends until they fly (their homes) in Allah's way; but if they turn back, then seize them and kill them wherever you find them, and take not from among them a friend or a helper.

[5.33] The punishment of those who wage war against Allah and His apostle and strive to make mischief in the land is only this, that they should be murdered or crucified or their hands and their feet should be cut off on opposite sides or they should be imprisoned; this shall be as a disgrace for them in this world, and in the hereafter they shall have a grievous chastisement,

[8.12] When your Lord revealed to the angels: I am with you, therefore make firm those who believe. I will cast terror into the hearts of those who disbelieve. Therefore strike off their heads and strike off every fingertip of them.

[8.39] And fight with them until there is no more persecution and religion should be only for Allah; but if they desist, then surely Allah sees what they do.

[9.5] So when the sacred months have passed away, then slay the idolaters wherever you find them, and take them captives and besiege them and lie in wait for them in every ambush, then if they repent and keep up prayer and pay the poor-rate, leave their way free to them; surely Allah is Forgiving, Merciful.

[9.29] Fight those who do not believe in Allah, nor in the latter day, nor do they prohibit what Allah and His Apostle have prohibited, nor follow the religion of truth, out of those who have been given the Book, until they pay the tax in acknowledgment of superiority and they are in a state of subjection.

[9.111] Surely Allah has bought of the believers their persons and their property for this, that they shall have the garden; they fight in Allah's way, so they slay and are slain; a promise which is binding on Him in the Taurat and the Injeel and the Quran; and who is more faithful to his covenant than Allah? Rejoice therefore in the pledge which you have made; and that is the mighty achievement.

First off, I'm glad I could give some folks giggles as I used century instead of decade. First mistake ever.

But, on to what matters. Any biblical scholars out there would totally agree that the Bible, especially the Old Testament contains an enormous amount of the same sort of hateful and inflammatory stuff as does the Koran.

I'm too tired to do the legwork for this post, but you can Google it and see what I'm speaking about.

In my mind, it's kinda quid pro quo.

Religions have been the source of untold violence through history.

stimbo - 9-26-2011 at 04:46 PM

I think it's time to flush this toilet.