BajaNomad - Gringo Assault in San Juanico

Gringo Assault in San Juanico

lovethebaja - 10-11-2011 at 08:05 PM

Tuesday night, October 4, at 9:30, a long time gringo resident and full-time employer of at least five local heads of household in this small town of San Juanico, was on his computer.

Four men in police uniforms with badges and boots and hoods ran into his home, put a bag over his head and handcuffed him.

They then began to punch and kick him in his midsection and demanded he give them all of his money. He had $5,000 US (payroll, etc.) and he told them where it was. They then demanded more and beat him again. They choked him until he thew up and almost passed out.

Then they put him in an SUV and drove him outside of town into the desert. They kicked him and beat him some more and put something that felt like a gun to his head.

Then they removed the cuffs and told him to be calm. They drove off in a direction away from town. He did see that it was a black SUV with one tail light out.

It took him over an hour to walk back into town.

It is important to note that in addition to being a steady employer of local residents. he is also vocal in community concerns including police extortion of residents and visitors.

The next day, the towns people rallied and 18 people, Mexicans and Americans, with the ex- mayor drove to Insurgentes to file a second police report and get a police medical examination. We were met by a reporter who took the story.

It is widely known that two of the intruders were two of the police assigned to San Juanico. These are the same police that have been extorting money from campers and doing nothing about a recent robbery spree by a town resident known to all.

Our town needs help. We are being terrorized by the police. If anyone can help us get the story to the press or government officials that is what we need. Nothing is being done here.

I cannot sign my name here. Sorry

gnukid - 10-11-2011 at 08:09 PM

asi es como pasan las cosas en el arroyo

mtgoat666 - 10-11-2011 at 08:45 PM

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Originally posted by lovethebaja
These are the same police that have been extorting money from campers and doing nothing about a recent robbery spree by a town resident known to all.

which are the unsafe camping areas?

The wild west...

Mexray - 10-11-2011 at 08:46 PM

...is alive and well in Mexico...

shari - 10-11-2011 at 09:07 PM

I feel your anger and frustration and hope this is resolved soon for you all there in San Juanico. Here is the article in spanish
http://www.oem.com.mx/elsudcaliforniano/notas/n2260667.htm

lovethebaja - 10-11-2011 at 09:38 PM

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Originally posted by mtgoat666

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Originally posted by lovethebaja
These are the same police that have been extorting money from campers and doing nothing about a recent robbery spree by a town resident known to all.

which are the unsafe camping areas?

I'm assuming the campground at San Juanico aka Scorpion Bay. I didn't write the article but as a frequent visitor to the town, I am very concerned with this incident. I've heard of the police asking campers for 'gas money' but that's it.

gnukid - 10-12-2011 at 02:27 AM

Need to stick with this daily and drive the prosecution through to the procurador, get a back up judgement through the federal ombudsman, put pressure through DF, these things must be done by the victim and testigos not by an outsider or lawyer. Increase pressure today, requires a visit to the head of jurisdiction, is it Aarón Yamil Melgar Bravo for the region? Military should be notified through DF today. Everyone (internal operations) knows about this for a long time, it's no secret, therefore it's been ignored and allowed for a long time, that has to change to intolerance by all.

Every prosecution requires a circle = crime, criminal, location, demonstratable loss of value, victim, witnesses, prosecutor robo de casa, judge, procurador.

Stick to to it. Once the bad guys feel the pressure they will back off, but you must continue to prosecute-2-3 years as an example to others, much of the actions to follow are written statements by victim and witnesess, so write down all pertinent identifiable facts associated, especially facial markings or identifiable personal features.

EnsenadaDr - 10-12-2011 at 05:08 AM

My best advice is to live quietly and accept things the way they are...or go back to the US....obviously being vocal about something that you will never change especially coming from a gringo will get you seriously hurt or worse..Look what happens to newly elected police chiefs that are Mexican and try to fight it...

Pescador - 10-12-2011 at 05:16 AM

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Originally posted by EnsenadaDr
My best advice is to live quietly and accept things the way they are...or go back to the US....obviously being vocal about something that you will never change especially coming from a gringo will get you seriously hurt or worse..Look what happens to newly elected police chiefs that are Mexican and try to fight it...

Oh Bullpucky. If you accept the system which can do this to anybody and anytime, you are as guilty as the perpetrators. It is too bad that this guy did not have a camera system in place to get the photos of the intruders. The community needs to take some responsibility for this as well.
This is not how civilized people live and we all bear a responsibility to stop this kind of crap.

gnukid - 10-12-2011 at 05:18 AM

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Not true, be very careful of your words, these are local bandits not worldwide cartel criminals, some people, like you, are very naive and classify all crime as equal and overwhelming, it's not. You must stand up for yourself when attacked, and one must stand strong against these guys or no one can live in the region in peace.

This is a specific type of crime, local police abusing local people, that everyone must stand against and not back down. This is a simple case and easy to prosecute as an example that has the support of everyone. The city, state and country belong to the people not the criminals.

shari - 10-12-2011 at 06:08 AM

If this has been an ongoing issue in the community, it is similar to the problems with the police in Constitucion awhile back. There was alot of pressure put on the government to halt the extortions and it seems that this pressure was successful...but yes, it is alot of work and dedication but must be done if anything is to change there...organize the whole community if possible, call meetings, collect other people's stories, document, document, document and report. Like Gnu says...one must keep the pressure on.

DENNIS - 10-12-2011 at 06:45 AM

Isn't this the same story from a week back?

http://forums.bajanomad.com/viewthread.php?tid=55509#pid6583...

Woooosh - 10-12-2011 at 07:21 AM

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Originally posted by DENNIS
Isn't this the same story from a week back?

http://forums.bajanomad.com/viewthread.php?tid=55509#pid6583...

yes, and it's not like nomads to repeat bad news about baja twice.

I see validity in both sides: you fight to correct the problem if you believe you are right, but there is real danger in doing so. Mexico may change for the better but not in our lifetimes here. This is what the rest of our retirement time will look like here (or worse)- but we can hope for a better Mexico for the children.

[Edited on 10-12-2011 by Woooosh]

QuesoBueno - 10-12-2011 at 07:23 AM

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Originally posted by lovethebaja

It is widely known that two of the intruders were two of the police assigned to San Juanico. These are the same police that have been extorting money from campers and doing nothing about a recent robbery spree by a town resident known to all.

Now that the bad guys turn out to be cartel types from Cd. Ins., are the foreigners who have publicly accused the local cops of doing it going to apologize?? Retract the statement? Even if the local cops are dirty in their small town way.

And is anyone asking the question why is a drug cartel interested in threatening this American? This was not a random assault. This is not local cops asking for gas money and being turned down then retaliating.

Read the ZETA article from Oct 10 to get a better idea of who these people are and what they are involved in. This mornings note in Surfline refers to this article.

Perhaps the foreigner who was assaulted is not so innocent. I feel sorry for the others who have gathered around him in the news photos based on the incorrect information that this was an assault by the local cops because he spoke out against local harrasment. The cartels could not care less about something at this level. I think we are ignorant or naive to not believe there is something bigger and fishier surrounding the assault.

Woooosh - 10-12-2011 at 07:25 AM

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Originally posted by QuesoBueno

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I think we must also accept that the cartels are the defacto government. They have paid their admission in bribes and will exercise their power without fear of reprisals.

[Edited on 10-12-2011 by Woooosh]

DENNIS - 10-12-2011 at 07:49 AM

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Originally posted by Woooosh
I think we must also accept that the cartels are the defacto government. They have paid their admission in bribes and will exercise their power without fear of reprisals.

An unpleasant admission to what I've been saying for a while....that the war on drugs in Mexico has actually been a war for power.
Very sad to see the new status quo in place.

rhintransit - 10-12-2011 at 08:13 AM

see your U2U...in case you're a true Newbie and haven't noticed that feature

sanquintinsince73 - 10-12-2011 at 08:15 AM

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Originally posted by QuesoBueno

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Where can I find this Zeta article online?

Found the article...

sanquintinsince73 - 10-12-2011 at 08:26 AM

Ex policías en asalto de San Juanico

Banda que atracó a norteamericano en Comondú implicada en crimen de Jesús Asael Valtierra

Los ex agentes fueron señalados como partícipes del crimen de Jesús Asael Valtierra, al estar vinculados con integrantes del crimen organizado de “Los Zamudio”, planearon y ejecutaron el crimen para robar a la víctima. Pese a las pruebas y testimonios de 12 personas involucradas dos están detenidas en el penal de Ciudad Constitución.

Investigaciones ZETA

Ciudad Insurgentes, Baja California Sur.- El pago de gasolina en dólares es la pista que podría llevar a la Procuraduría General de Justicia del Estado (PGJE) a la captura de la banda que el 5 de octubre asaltó con lujo de violencia al estadounidense Howie Lange, en la comunidad de San Juanico, municipio de Comondú.

La noche del robo, como a eso de las 10, el norteamericano estaba tranquilamente en su habitación trabajando en su computadora personal y enviando correos a sus amigos de la Unión Americana, cuando un grupo de cuatro sujetos vestidos de negro y botas militares, entraron hasta su cuarto, tomándolo de sorpresa y colocándole una bolsa de plástico en la cabeza.

Los maleantes inmediatamente solicitaron el dinero que tenía guardado en su casa, y a punta de golpes y tortura psicológica, lograron sacarle poco más de cinco mil dólares que tenía guardados en su domicilio.

No obstante, los delincuentes lo subieron a su vehículo, una Suburban de color blanco, y lo llevaron encapuchado y amordazado hasta tirarlo en un arroyo conocido como “El Aguaje”, localizado a unos 10 kilómetros de distancia de esa comunidad con 432 habitantes y donde está uno de los principales destinos turísticos del surfíng en el mundo.

Por esta situación, el estadounidense de 59 años –radicado desde hace 15 en la localidad— presentó una denuncia penal en la Agencia del Ministerio Público del Fuero Común de la PGJE de Ciudad Insurgentes, y acompañado del ex delegado de esa población Enrique Miranda y de un grupo de extranjeros, rindió su declaración ministerial y solicitó una investigación.

La investigación a fondo

Durante las primeras indagatorias se supo que detrás de este asalto está un grupo de ex policías municipales que durante el trienio del ex alcalde del PRD, Joel Villegas Ibarra, operaron para la organización criminal de “Los Zamudio”.

Datos entregados a ZETA expusieron que la noche del asalto fueron vistos a bordo de una camioneta Suburban de color blanco y de modelo antiguo, los siguientes ex policías:

1.- Felipe Rodríguez Higuera, alias “El Felipe”, ex comandante de la Policía Municipal de Puerto San Carlos, Baja California Sur.

2.- Moctezuma Bareño Mayoral, alias “Moctezuma”, ex agente de la Policía Municipal de Puerto San Carlos, Baja California Sur.

3.- Rafael Chávez Ocampo, alias “El Rifle”, ex agente de la Policía Municipal de Ciudad Constitución, Baja California Sur.

4.- Sebastián Lara López, alias “El Sebas”, ex agente de la Policía Municipal de Ciudad Constitución, Baja California Sur.

Los ex agentes fueron plenamente identificados, cuando primero pasaron por la comunidad de Santo Domingo, localizada rumbo a San Juanico, y posteriormente, volvieron a pasar de regreso.

Por información de testigos, y al cierre de esta edición, se supo que “El Rifle” llegó a una gasolinera el 6 de octubre por la mañana a bordo de una camioneta pick up de color negro, solicitando combustible, y una vez despachado, pagó en dólares, después de sacar un fajo de billetes americanos.

Implicados en crimen

Los nombres de Felipe Rodríguez Higuera y Moctezuma Bareño Mayoral no son desconocidos en Comondú ni en Baja California Sur.

Y es que –según cuatro testimonios que obran en la averiguación previa SCT/32/TUR2/2011— los ex policías son presuntos responsables de haber levantado el 31 de enero pasado al joven Jesús Asael Valtierra Loya, quien posteriormente, apareció ejecutado y calcinado en un paraje cercano a la comunidad del ejido “Josefa Ortiz de Domínguez”.

Los hoy ex agentes todavía estaban en funciones, cuando aprovechando su cargo instalaron un falso retén en la salida de Puerto San Carlos, donde se encontraban el comandante de la policía municipal, Felipe Rodríguez Higuera, y sus agentes, José Guillermo Arípez Geraldo y Moctezuma Bareño Mayoral, y metros más adelante en una especie de lomita, estaba estacionado –simulando estar descompuesto— el vehículo tipo Camaro de color rojo y vidrios polarizados, placas de circulación 873-PMG-8, propiedad del hoy jefe de grupo de aprehensiones de la Policía Ministerial del estado, Francisco Martín Güereña Escobar.

Los ex policías fueron señalados como partícipes del crimen del joven Valtierra, de manera directa o indirecta, quienes vinculados con integrantes del crimen organizado de “Los Zamudio”, planearon y ejecutaron el crimen para robar a la víctima 440 mil pesos que llevaba a depósito bancario, cuando fue detenido en un retén, secuestrado, asesinado y luego calcinado.

De la lista de doce personas involucradas, dos están detenidas y recluidas en el penal de Ciudad Constitución: Renato León Atondo, alias “El Renato”, y Elías Gómez Gómez, alias “El Michoacano”.

Otros dos detenidos por este crimen ya fueron liberados tras pagar una ridícula fianza de 10 mil 892 pesos, fijada por el Juez Segundo de Primera Instancia del Ramo Penal, Hugo Flores Bustos, y quien después del escándalo fue retirado de esa población y asignado en el municipio de Los Cabos.

Los criminales que ya no están en custodia son: Justo Antonio Mojadín Cazares, alias “El Justo”, y Guadalupe Decarely Barraza López, alias “La Yaqui”.

Asimismo, el juzgador giró una orden de aprehensión en contra del autor intelectual y material del crimen, Amado o Aurelio Zamudio Chávez, alias “El Yeyo”, después de que todos los testimonios lo señalaron como el cabecilla de la banda, donde también aparecen como implicados Rafael Chávez Ocampo, alias “El Rifle”, y Sebastián Lara López, alias “El Sebas”, así como Maylo Ocampo Chávez, alias “El Maylo”.

Datos entregados a ZETA por personal de la agencia del Ministerio Público del fuero común, expusieron que los policías planearon levantar a la víctima de tal manera que no levantaran sospechas, por tal motivo, en el supuesto retén, el comandante Felipe solicitó al joven darle un aventón a uno de los policías que estaban en el lugar, de nombre Moctezuma Bareño Mayoral, “y una vez que aceptó y ya en el camino, el agente lo amaga y lo obliga internarse a un terreno, donde ya estaban esperando los narcomenudistas encabezados por Amado o Aurelio Zamudio Chávez ‘El Yeyo’. Entrega a la víctima y se va”.

En su declaración ministerial, Elías Gómez Gómez “El Michoacano” reconoció que los policías entregaron a la víctima un poquito delante del Ejido Josefa Ortiz de Domínguez, y se percató que la camioneta en la que viajaba Asael –una pick up de color blanco línea Dakota de modelo reciente— estaba estacionada con las puertas abiertas y en su interior iba la víctima sentada en la parte central del asiento.

“Observé que había 4 personas, entre las que pude identificar a ‘El Yeyo’ Zamudio, así como a una persona güera de aproximadamente 36 años, complexión delgada, estatura de 1.75 metros, piel clara, cabello corto, color castaño y lacio, y otra de aproximadamente 28 años, de 1.65 metros, complexión robusta, tez morena, cabello color negro y corto”. Detrás del pick up de Valtierra, según ‘El Michoacano’, estaba otro de color entre negro y morado, vidrios polarizados sin placas de circulación, observando que “El Yeyo” pegó un puñetazo en la cara a Asael, el cual gritó: ‘No me hagan nada’. Posteriormente bajaron a la víctima del pick up, y luego lo aventaron en el asiento de atrás, sacando Amado o Aurelio Zamudio Chávez una pistola que traía fajada en la cintura, y disparando en contra del joven en la cabeza”.

De acuerdo a la versión de Elías Gómez Gómez, “El Yeyo” y dos de sus acompañantes se subieron a la camioneta de la víctima y el pick up negro, prendieron el motor y se fueron en dirección de la carretera Benito Juárez, se internaron entre el monte. Ahí Amado o Aurelio Zamudio Chávez, frenó la marcha, se bajó y sacó el maletín del dinero, lo aventó en la cajuela del pick up de color entre negro y morado, y mientras tomó un palo y un pedazo de trapo e hizo una mecha, uno de sus acompañantes –el de 28 años, de 1.65 metros, complexión robusta, tez morena, cabello negro y corto— bajó un galón de gasolina de color blanco y roció la camioneta. Así, terminada la mecha, “El Yeyo” prendió fuego y lo echó a la unidad, subiendo al pick up para retirarse del lugar inmediatamente.

David K - 10-12-2011 at 08:31 AM

Here is a computer translation (Bing):

Former policemen in assault of San Juanico

Band that was docked to U.S. in Comondú implicated in crime of Jesus Asael Valtierra

The former officers were identified as participants in the crime of Jesus Asael Valtierra, to be linked to members of organized crime of "Los Zamudio", planned and executed the crime to rob the victim. Despite the evidence and testimonies from 12 persons involved two are detained in the criminal of Ciudad Constitución.

Research ZETA

City insurgents, Baja California Sur.-the payment of gasoline in dollars is the track that could lead to the Attorney General of Justice State (PGJE) to the capture of the band who on 5 October assaulted with luxury of violence to the American Howie Lange in the community of San Juanico, municipality of Comondú.

The night of the robbery, as around 10 a.m., the American was quietly in his room working on your personal computer and sending emails to friends of the American Union, when a group of four subjects dressed in black and military boots, came to his room, taking him by surprise and placing a bag of plastic in the head.

Hoodlums immediately requested the money that was saved in his home, and at the point of blows and psychological torture, managed to get little more than five thousand dollars that had kept in his home.

However, criminals hopped it on his vehicle, a white Suburban, and brought him hooded and gagged up to throw it in a stream known as "El Aguaje", located about 10 kilometers of distance of that community with 432 inhabitants and where he is one of the main tourist destinations of the surfíng in the world.

By this situation, the 59-year American - based from ago 15 in the town - filed a complaint criminal in the Agency of the Public Ministry of the ordinary jurisdiction of the PGJE city insurgents, and accompanied by the former delegate of this population Enrique Miranda and a group of foreigners, surrendered his ministerial statement and called for an investigation.

The thorough investigation

During the first investigations, it was revealed that behind this assault is a group of former municipal policemen during the triennium of the former Mayor of the PRD, Joel Villegas Ibarra, operated for the criminal organization "Los Zamudio".

Delivered to ZETA data presented that the night of the RAID were seen aboard a truck Suburban white and former model, following former police officers:

1 Felipe Rodríguez Higuera, alias "El Felipe", former Commander of the Municipal police of Puerto San Carlos, Baja California Sur.

2.-Moctezuma Bareño Mayoral, alias "Montezuma", former agent of the Municipal police of Puerto San Carlos, Baja California Sur.

3 Rafael Chávez Ocampo, alias "El Rifle", former agent of the Municipal police of Ciudad Constitución, Baja California Sur.

4.-Sebastián Lara López, alias "El Sebas", former agent of the Municipal police of Ciudad Constitución, Baja California Sur.

The former officers were fully identified, when they first passed through the community of Santo Domingo, located heading to San Juanico, and subsequently turned to go back.

Information from witnesses, and at the close of this Edition, it was learned that "The Rifle" came to a gas station on 6 October morning aboard a van pick up black, asking for fuel, and once dispatched, paid in dollars, after taking a WAD of American banknotes.

Involved in crime

Felipe Rodríguez Higuera and Moctezuma Bareño Mayoral names are not unknown in Comondú nor in Baja California Sur.

And it is that - according to four witnesses in the preliminary investigation SCT/32/TUR2/2011 - the former policemen are suspects have lifted January 31 past to young Jesus Asael Valtierra Loya, who appeared later, executed and calcined in a spot near the community of el ejido "Josefa Ortiz de Domínguez".

The now former agents were still in Office, when taking advantage of his Office set up a false roadblock in the output of Puerto San Carlos, where were the Commander of the municipal police, Felipe Rodríguez Higuera, and their agents, José Guillermo Arípez Geraldo Moctezuma Bareño Mayoral, and meters later in a kind of lomita, was parked - pretending to be broken - vehicle type Camaro of red color and tinted Windows, circulation 873-PMG-8 plates, owned by the now head of Group of apprehensions of the police of the State, Francisco Martín Güereña Escobar.

The former policemen were identified as participants in the crime of the young Valtierra, directly or indirectly, so those who associated with members of organized crime of "Los Zamudio", planned and executed the crime to steal the victim 440 pesos to deposit, when he was stopped at a roadblock, kidnapped, asesinad

[Edited on 10-12-2011 by David K]

sanquintinsince73 - 10-12-2011 at 08:35 AM

I am fully convinced that the only reason these scumbags didn't kill Mr. Lange is because he is American.

"Los Zamudio"

sanquintinsince73 - 10-12-2011 at 08:38 AM

Wow...I think these guys are heavy hitters. They work for "El Mayo Zambada".

Droga de los Zamudio

5 millones de pesos en heroína incautados en Pichilingue revelaron una ruta de tráfico de Topolobampo a Tijuana, y expusieron algunos de los contactos criminales de los traficantes Inés Zamudio e Ismael Zambada en Baja california Sur, incluido un ministerial de apellidos Ayala Peña.

Investigaciones ZETA

Parte del cargamento de los 16 kilos de heroína incautada el pasado 7 de enero por la Agencia Federal de Investigaciones (AFI) y la Secretaría de la Defensa Nacional (SEDENA) en el kilómetro 17 del tramo carretero Pichilingue-La Paz, tenía como destinatario final a “Los Zamudio” en Ciudad Constitución.

Otra parte de la droga tenía como destino Tijuana.

Como parte de la investigación, salió a relucir el nombre de Miguel Alberto Ayala Peña, elemento de la Policía Ministerial del Estado de Baja California Sur, como uno de los contactos del traficante de droga Manuel Rodríguez García, detenido durante el decomiso.

Las autoridades incluyeron al agente de la procuraduría del estado como sospechoso, pero no ha sido detenido. Y presume que podría haber más agentes implicados en este caso que llevaría al descubrimiento de una red policiaca que opera en el estado para la organización criminal de Ismael “El Mayo” Zambada.

Aunque el consumo de heroína no es muy común en la región, de acuerdo a los informes oficiales, tiene un mercado cautivo de este tipo de consumidores en Los Cabos, Baja California Sur. Justo ahí, donde el 14 de septiembre del año pasado, la SEDENA incautó 160 gramos de esta droga que estaban en manos del ex lugarteniente de la banda criminal de “El Javi” o “El Javier”, Jaime Ariel Meza López (a) “El Jimmy”.

Durante el interrogatorio, Manuel Rodríguez García dijo que era la primera vez que participaba en el trasiego de drogas de Sinaloa a Baja California Sur.

Pero, según las investigaciones oficiales, el vehículo marca Nissan, línea Tsuru G52, color blanco y con placas de circulación de Baja Sur –donde fue detenida y confiscada la droga— tiene un registro de 10 salidas y 10 ingresos de la terminal Pichilingue-La Paz-Topolobampo. Únicamente en el mes de diciembre.

El valor de lo incautado asciende a 5 millones de pesos y, según la explicación de Rodríguez, el método es muy simple.

El detenido dijo que pasaba su unidad vehicular de La Paz a Sinaloa y la entregaba a un contacto en la propia terminal marítima que, sabe, tiene un auto lavado en la ciudad de Topolobampo, Sinaloa, quien, hoy se sabe, trabaja directamente con un sobrino del narcotraficante Ismael “El Mayo” Zambada de nombre Ricardo.

En el interrogatorio, comentó que en cuanto entregaba la unidad, percibía entre 5 y 10 mil pesos para que se fuera a divertir, y a los 3 ó 4 días, recibía una llamada telefónica y le informaban la hora y el día en que debería presentarse a la terminal por su carro.

En el lugar, le entregaban los boletos y recibía 50 mil pesos de pago final por el traslado y la carga la entregaba a los contactos en la ciudad de La Paz, Baja California Sur.

Pero la última vez las cosas salieron mal y el traficante fue detenido, y delató a sus contactos.

Lo que el narco transportador pudo informar fue que en La Paz entregaba una parte, y la otra, en el kilómetro 100 para que a su vez, otra persona la llevara con destino a la comunidad de Puerto San Carlos, y de ahí, se iba hasta Bahía Asunción, donde otro sujeto más esperaba, porque su responsabilidad era enviarla como destino final hasta la ciudad de Tijuana, Baja California.

Durante las investigaciones el detenido entregó números telefónicos de esta red criminal que viven en Culiacán, Mazatlán, Tijuana, La Paz, Los Cabos, Ciudad Constitución, Puerto San Carlos y Bahía Asunción.

Todos trabajan para Ismael “El Mayo” Zambada

Aunque el criminal lo negó, las autoridades federales y militares, corroboraron que este delincuente, normalmente viajaba acompañado de toda su familia para evitar levantar sospechas sobre el transporte de droga.

Hoy se sabe que cuando fue detenido iba solo, pero en la unidad vehicular iba ropa de mujer y de hombres jóvenes, lo que evidenció que era acompañado de sus familiares, que en el momento de la captura, no pudieron ser detectados.

Pero una vez detenido y consignado, la familia fue notificada, y en menos de dos horas llego hasta las oficinas de la PGR en La Paz, cuando presumieron estar en Ciudad Constitución, camino que comúnmente se recorre en dos horas y media.

Los investigadores federales y militares descubrieron en este aseguramiento la nueva modalidad de transporte y elementos que hoy los narcotraficantes usan para evitar que sus cargamentos puedan ser detectados por sus equipos y sus perros adiestrados.

En este caso, los mafiosos hacen un compuesto de placas de plomo, grasa, papel carbón y envuelven la droga en una llanta de cámara de bicicleta o moto, y después en cinta de plástico.

Por este aseguramiento se abrió la averiguación previa AP/PGR/BCS/LP-COE-1/005/2011 y mientras las investigaciones continúan.

DK...translate??

desertcpl - 10-12-2011 at 09:07 AM

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Originally posted by DENNIS

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An unpleasant admission to what I've been saying for a while....that the war on drugs in Mexico has actually been a war for power.
Very sad to see the new status quo in place.

the new reality, its a tough pill to swallow

Mengano - 10-12-2011 at 09:16 AM

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Originally posted by QuesoBueno
Now that the bad guys turn out to be cartel types from Cd. Ins., are the foreigners who have publicly accused the local cops of doing it going to apologize??

That's not what the article says. It says the bad guys were active duty police as late as last January when they kidnapped somebody at a false roadblock, stole his money, killed him and burned him in his car. The leader was the Police Chief of Puerto San Carlos and all four of them are former police officers. They should have been in jail, but were sprung by a crooked judge who had to leave town afterwards because of the complaints.

The other articles say the current police chief is refusing to investigate the incident and told the "foreigners" to go f*ck-off.

The real question is why are you deliberately misstating facts and trying to foist this off on the victim by suggesting he is responsible? What is your interest in all this?

sanquintinsince73 - 10-12-2011 at 09:42 AM

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Originally posted by Mengano

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Originally posted by QuesoBueno
Now that the bad guys turn out to be cartel types from Cd. Ins., are the foreigners who have publicly accused the local cops of doing it going to apologize??

I agree with Mengano. I saw nothing in the article that suggested Mr. Lange was involved in any way, shape, or form in illegal activity.

David K - 10-12-2011 at 09:42 AM

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Originally posted by sanquintinsince73
Wow...I think these guys are heavy hitters. They work for "El Mayo Zambada".

Droga de los Zamudio

5 millones de pesos en heroína incautados en Pichilingue revelaron una ruta de tráfico de Topolobampo a Tijuana, y expusieron algunos de los contactos criminales de los traficantes Inés Zamudio e Ismael Zambada en Baja california Sur, incluido un ministerial de apellidos Ayala Peña.

Investigaciones ZETA

Parte del cargamento de los 16 kilos de heroína incautada el pasado 7 de enero por la Agencia Federal de Investigaciones (AFI) y la Secretaría de la Defensa Nacional (SEDENA) en el kilómetro 17 del tramo carretero Pichilingue-La Paz, tenía como destinatario final a “Los Zamudio” en Ciudad Constitución.

Otra parte de la droga tenía como destino Tijuana.

Como parte de la investigación, salió a relucir el nombre de Miguel Alberto Ayala Peña, elemento de la Policía Ministerial del Estado de Baja California Sur, como uno de los contactos del traficante de droga Manuel Rodríguez García, detenido durante el decomiso.

Las autoridades incluyeron al agente de la procuraduría del estado como sospechoso, pero no ha sido detenido. Y presume que podría haber más agentes implicados en este caso que llevaría al descubrimiento de una red policiaca que opera en el estado para la organización criminal de Ismael “El Mayo” Zambada.

Aunque el consumo de heroína no es muy común en la región, de acuerdo a los informes oficiales, tiene un mercado cautivo de este tipo de consumidores en Los Cabos, Baja California Sur. Justo ahí, donde el 14 de septiembre del año pasado, la SEDENA incautó 160 gramos de esta droga que estaban en manos del ex lugarteniente de la banda criminal de “El Javi” o “El Javier”, Jaime Ariel Meza López (a) “El Jimmy”.

Durante el interrogatorio, Manuel Rodríguez García dijo que era la primera vez que participaba en el trasiego de drogas de Sinaloa a Baja California Sur.

Pero, según las investigaciones oficiales, el vehículo marca Nissan, línea Tsuru G52, color blanco y con placas de circulación de Baja Sur –donde fue detenida y confiscada la droga— tiene un registro de 10 salidas y 10 ingresos de la terminal Pichilingue-La Paz-Topolobampo. Únicamente en el mes de diciembre.

El valor de lo incautado asciende a 5 millones de pesos y, según la explicación de Rodríguez, el método es muy simple.

El detenido dijo que pasaba su unidad vehicular de La Paz a Sinaloa y la entregaba a un contacto en la propia terminal marítima que, sabe, tiene un auto lavado en la ciudad de Topolobampo, Sinaloa, quien, hoy se sabe, trabaja directamente con un sobrino del narcotraficante Ismael “El Mayo” Zambada de nombre Ricardo.

En el interrogatorio, comentó que en cuanto entregaba la unidad, percibía entre 5 y 10 mil pesos para que se fuera a divertir, y a los 3 ó 4 días, recibía una llamada telefónica y le informaban la hora y el día en que debería presentarse a la terminal por su carro.

En el lugar, le entregaban los boletos y recibía 50 mil pesos de pago final por el traslado y la carga la entregaba a los contactos en la ciudad de La Paz, Baja California Sur.

Pero la última vez las cosas salieron mal y el traficante fue detenido, y delató a sus contactos.

Lo que el narco transportador pudo informar fue que en La Paz entregaba una parte, y la otra, en el kilómetro 100 para que a su vez, otra persona la llevara con destino a la comunidad de Puerto San Carlos, y de ahí, se iba hasta Bahía Asunción, donde otro sujeto más esperaba, porque su responsabilidad era enviarla como destino final hasta la ciudad de Tijuana, Baja California.

Durante las investigaciones el detenido entregó números telefónicos de esta red criminal que viven en Culiacán, Mazatlán, Tijuana, La Paz, Los Cabos, Ciudad Constitución, Puerto San Carlos y Bahía Asunción.

Todos trabajan para Ismael “El Mayo” Zambada

Aunque el criminal lo negó, las autoridades federales y militares, corroboraron que este delincuente, normalmente viajaba acompañado de toda su familia para evitar levantar sospechas sobre el transporte de droga.

Hoy se sabe que cuando fue detenido iba solo, pero en la unidad vehicular iba ropa de mujer y de hombres jóvenes, lo que evidenció que era acompañado de sus familiares, que en el momento de la captura, no pudieron ser detectados.

Pero una vez detenido y consignado, la familia fue notificada, y en menos de dos horas llego hasta las oficinas de la PGR en La Paz, cuando presumieron estar en Ciudad Constitución, camino que comúnmente se recorre en dos horas y media.

Los investigadores federales y militares descubrieron en este aseguramiento la nueva modalidad de transporte y elementos que hoy los narcotraficantes usan para evitar que sus cargamentos puedan ser detectados por sus equipos y sus perros adiestrados.

En este caso, los mafiosos hacen un compuesto de placas de plomo, grasa, papel carbón y envuelven la droga en una llanta de cámara de bicicleta o moto, y después en cinta de plástico.

Por este aseguramiento se abrió la averiguación previa AP/PGR/BCS/LP-COE-1/005/2011 y mientras las investigaciones continúan.

DK...translate??

OK, from Bing:

"Zamudio"

The Zamudio drug

5 million pesos in heroin seized in Pichilingue revealed a Topolobampo trafficking route to Tijuana, and exposed some of the traffickers Inés Zamudio and Ismael Zambada in Baja california Sur criminal contacts, including a ministerial surname Ayala Peña.

Research ZETA

Part of the shipment of the 16 kilos of heroin seized on 7 January by the Federal Investigation Agency (AFI) and the Secretariat of national defense (SEDENA) on kilometer 17 of the road section Pichilingue - La Paz, was final recipient to "Los Zamudio" in Ciudad Constitución.

Another part of the drug had as destination Tijuana.

As part of the investigation, he left out the name of Miguel Alberto Ayala Peña, element of the Ministerial Police of the State of Baja California Sur, as one of the contacts of the Manuel Rodríguez García, arrested during the seizure drug dealer.

The authorities included the agent of the Attorney-General of the State as a suspect, but it has not been stopped. And presumed that there could be more involved in this case that would lead to the discovery of a police network that operates in the State for the criminal organization of Ishmael "Mayo" Zambada.

Although heroin use is not very common in the region, according to official reports, it has a captive of this type of consumer market in Los Cabos, Baja California Sur. Right there, where on September 14 last year, the SEDENA seized 160 grams of cocaine that were in the hands of the former lieutenant of the criminal gang of "El Javi" or "El Javier", Jaime Ariel Meza López (a) "The Jimmy".

During the interrogation, Manuel Rodríguez García said that it was the first time that he was involved in the transfer of drugs of Sinaloa to Baja California Sur.

But, according to official research, vehicle brand Nissan Tsuru G52 line, white and plates of the movement of lower South - where he was detained and confiscated the drugs - has a record of 10 outputs and 10 income from terminal Pichilingue - La peace-Topolobampo. Only in the month of December.

The value of the seized amounts to 5 million pesos, and according to the explanation of Rodriguez, the method is very simple.

The detainee said that he passed his vehicle from La Paz to Sinaloa unit and gave her a contact in the own maritime terminal I, know, has a car wash in the city of Topolobampo, Sinaloa, who is known today, works directly with a nephew of the drug trafficker, Ismael "El Mayo" Zambada's name Ricardo.

In the interrogation, commented that as soon as he delivered the unit, he perceived between 5 and 10 pesos to make it fun, 3 or 4 days, received a phone call and reporting you the hour and the day that should be presented to the terminal by his chariot.

Instead, they gave him tickets and received 50 thousand pesos of final payment for the transfer and loading delivered it to the contacts in the city of La Paz, Baja California Sur.

The last time things went wrong but the trafficker was arrested, and turned to their contacts.

That transporter narco could report was in La Paz, he gave a part, and the other, in the 100 kilometre so that at the same time, another person take her bound to the community of port San Carlos, and hence was going to Bahía Asunción, where another subject expected, because his responsibility was to send it as final destination to the city of TijuanaBaja California.

During investigations the detainee gave telephone numbers for this criminal network living in Culiacán, Mazatlán, Tijuana, peace, Los Cabos, Ciudad Constitución, port San Carlos and Bahía Asunción.

Everyone working for Ismael "Mayo" Zambada

Although the criminal refused, the Federal and military authorities corroborated this offender, travelling usually accompanied by his entire family to avoid suspicion on the transport of drugs.

Today we know that when he was arrested he was just going, but in the vehicle unit was clothing of women and young men, which showed that it was accompanied by their relatives, who at the time of capture, not could be detected.

But once stopped and entered the family was notified, and in less than two hours came to the offices of the PGR in La Paz, when they presumed to be in Ciudad Constitución, path that commonly runs in two and a half hours.

Federal and military researchers discovered the new mode of transport and elements that today traffickers use to avoid their cargoes can be detected by their teams and their trained dogs in this assurance.

In this case, the mobsters make a compound of lead, fat, charcoal paper plates and surround the drugs in a Chamber of bicycle or motorcycle tire, and then in

QuesoBueno - 10-12-2011 at 09:48 AM

My interest is that blaming something on small town cops that actually was done by 'heavy hitters' confuses the issues. Small town cops are a problem with intimidating visitors for 'gas money' and making up infractions. Accusing them in the newspaper as being behind a seriously violent assault on an American, when they did not do it, isn't going to help the demand for respect that a lot of us do fight for.
But maybe some people think that all levels of crime and corruption are equal. I do not. I do not think I could have any effect on organized crime family business. But I do think I can stand up to small town local cops and demand respect and help make a difference.
That is my interest in this.

sanquintinsince73 - 10-12-2011 at 09:49 AM

Grazie!!

Von - 10-12-2011 at 09:54 AM

He lives by himself? no dogs? at least 3 big ones trained to eat only your food. This really sucks and is very sad. He so lucky they didnt kill him. Im glad hes alive and well . So much BS maybe one day this will change. It will but which way?

QuesoBueno - 10-12-2011 at 10:00 AM

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Originally posted by sanquintinsince73
I agree with Mengano. I saw nothing in the article that suggested Mr. Lange was involved in any way, shape, or form in illegal activity.

I have not made an accusation. But I do feel that the article has me asking the question why would this level of organized crime be interested in him? Or any American for that matter. Why would they come to small town and give someone a warning?
Again, I did not say that Mr. Lange is doing something illegal. But doesn't the situation warrant these questions?

mtgoat666 - 10-12-2011 at 10:07 AM

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Originally posted by QuesoBueno

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Originally posted by sanquintinsince73
I agree with Mengano. I saw nothing in the article that suggested Mr. Lange was involved in any way, shape, or form in illegal activity.

why do you think the news will get the story right? they never do!

the only thing you need to take from article is: danger! danger! stay away from san juanico!

sanquintinsince73 - 10-12-2011 at 10:25 AM

Agreed, they never do get the story right. As far as Mr. lange is concerned and I am sure it is common knowledge that he has a business, I think maybe he was just a target of opportunity.

People in Mexico tend to think that if you are American or you own a business, you are rich.

Mengano - 10-12-2011 at 10:38 AM

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Originally posted by QuesoBueno
I have not made an accusation.

But that is EXACTLY what you did. Now you are backtracking. Here is EXACTLY what you said:

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Originally posted by QuesoBueno
Perhaps the foreigner who was assaulted is not so innocent.

You're talking out of both sides of your mouth.

BajaBlanca - 10-12-2011 at 11:10 AM

oh my gosh ...yes, we read this a while ago and it is still sad. still very,very sad.

what I don't understand is why they don't just take the money and go away. why the violence. so unnnecessary. not that robbing someone is OK. not at all.

gnukid - 10-12-2011 at 12:13 PM

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Originally posted by QuesoBueno
My interest is that blaming something on small town cops that actually was done by 'heavy hitters' confuses the issues. Small town cops are a problem with intimidating visitors for 'gas money' and making up infractions. Accusing them in the newspaper as being behind a seriously violent assault on an American, when they did not do it, isn't going to help the demand for respect that a lot of us do fight for.
But maybe some people think that all levels of crime and corruption are equal. I do not. I do not think I could have any effect on organized crime family business. But I do think I can stand up to small town local cops and demand respect and help make a difference.
That is my interest in this.

newbie posters are trolls

gnukid - 10-12-2011 at 12:21 PM

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Originally posted by sanquintinsince73
Agreed, they never do get the story right. As far as Mr. lange is concerned and I am sure it is common knowledge that he has a business, I think maybe he was just a target of opportunity.

People in Mexico tend to think that if you are American or you own a business, you are rich.

This is quite true and programmed meme of society, that if you own a business it is the role of others who are unemployed to take advantage of you, and somehow you owe something to others who make demands from you, therefore cooperation is discouraged, in general community collective is discouraged through jealousy and lies. This is done to reduce power of communities as a whole, while in fact communities and the holders of all power that does exist, they only choose to give up their power by accepted programmed societal "ideas" which in practically every case are lies to control people.

In this case, as in case, there are two options, live in fear for doing nothing or live empowered for managing your community as you desire.

This entire process is quite simple, no forum posts will change the facts at hand, either a few people will choose to address this as required and desired by any civil society or the region will continue down the path of lawlessness and become worse.

It's quite simple scenario, worth considering for a split second to decide do you stand up for yourself and your neighbors to protect yourself or not.

JESSE - 10-12-2011 at 12:36 PM

This is indeed a very strange story, and i suspect there is much more to it than what we are being told. There are too many things that simply don't add up.

sanquintinsince73 - 10-12-2011 at 12:48 PM

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Originally posted by JESSE
This is indeed a very strange story, and i suspect there is much more to it than what we are being told. There are too many things that simply don't add up.

What doesn't add up??

By the way, Jesse, in 10 minutes I'll be headed to In-N-Out burger in National City

JESSE - 10-12-2011 at 12:56 PM

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Originally posted by sanquintinsince73

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Originally posted by JESSE
This is indeed a very strange story, and i suspect there is much more to it than what we are being told. There are too many things that simply don't add up.

What doesn't add up??

By the way, Jesse, in 10 minutes I'll be headed to In-N-Out burger in National City

bastard!!!

CP - 10-12-2011 at 12:59 PM

This is just a self serving post so skip it if you want to stay on the actual subject.

When I posted the first info on this issue last week I had no idea what it was I was getting into. It is important to note that I was doing it for a friend who is not on Nomads and wanted to get the message 'out there'. I wanted to help.

Then I had second thoughts... Pretty much based on my stupidity of thinking of BN as 'my neighborhood' and wanting to share important happenings with my neighbors. I was stupid to forget that its THE INTERNET. So I removed the original info until I coud talk one on one with the victim and have his blessing or not. Things became more complicated and I could not speak with him.

As the victim quickly took the story to the press I do not think he would have been upset with what I did. But what if he was? What terrible damage I could have caused. In light of the direction this string has taken, I wish I had had the foresight to not become involved in such a spontateous way.
Too late for that now. Anyways... think before you post!

JoeJustJoe - 10-12-2011 at 01:04 PM

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Using Woooosh's logic. The city of San Diego is now run by criminals and Americans aren't safe in San Diego. Of course if I had time I could pull stories from all over America, and make American sound so dangerous.

Four Highway Shootings Reported in San Diego:

http://www.nbcsandiego.com/news/local/Shots-Fired-at-Passing...

Roberto - 10-12-2011 at 01:53 PM

Is Joe allowed out of OT unsupervised? Just askin'?

Woooosh - 10-12-2011 at 02:01 PM

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Originally posted by Roberto
Is Joe allowed out of OT unsupervised? Just askin'?

lovethebaja - 10-12-2011 at 03:40 PM

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Originally posted by JoeJustJoe

If you notice the member that brought us the story is a newbie with two posts under their belt. Another obvious troll hiding behind a second handle,

nope not a troll. Actually I spend about 6 months a year in Baja and visit this website to get the latest info before each trip. I read this story on scorpionbay.net and cut & pasted it here, thinking if anyone would know what to do in this situation it would be the Nomads. (the person who wrote to letter was obviously looking for help)
I think very highly of most of the people who post on this board. I was just trying to help. I love Baja & the people there and was very concerned since San Juanico is probably my favorite place in the world.

[Edited on 10-12-2011 by BajaNomad]

DENNIS - 10-12-2011 at 04:16 PM

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Originally posted by lovethebaja
nope not a troll.

Hey, Bro Nomad....don't pay any attention to ShmoJustShmo. He's just here to cause turmoil.
Actually....if he sends you a PM asking for your used toilet paper, don't respond. He likes to eat that stuff. It gives him hope.

.

[Edited on 10-12-2011 by DENNIS]

jakecard - 10-12-2011 at 04:57 PM

Quotation marks in the original post would have gone a long way. I thought you were CP writing under a new alias.

Nomads are certainly willing to help, we all know that. But we don't know exactly how, or even in fact whether Mr. Lange wants Nomad help.

There is a limit on what can be accomplished here without his clear input.

Jake

redmesa - 10-12-2011 at 08:07 PM

I hate this B S. What is what here?

Roberto - 10-12-2011 at 11:39 PM

Joe, aren't you fluent in Spanish? Did you read the Zeta article, or is that an online blog that should be taken with a grain of salt?

JoeJustJoe - 10-13-2011 at 01:57 AM

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Originally posted by Roberto
Joe, aren't you fluent in Spanish? Did you read the Zeta article, or is that an online blog that should be taken with a grain of salt?

Yes I speak Spanish, and it just so happens I did read "Zeta" today, but I only read the two articles on Capella and the negative piece of Bustamante for hiring Capella. But those are the only articles that interested me.

Did they have a story about the San Juanico incident? Stories a few hundred miles away like that don't interest me too much because that would be like reading a paper crime blotter in Redding California or some place like that in the distance. This story just doesn't interest me that much and I probably wouldn't even comment on it, except given the fact that I'm interested in these second handles who come onto "BN" with these scary stories.

Besides I only said take these stories with a grain a salt, especially when they are coming from a member hiding behind a second handle on "BN'. It's good you can corroborate a story with a newspaper article, but still that doesn't mean it's always accurate.

If I want to read about police corruption I rather read about what's going on in Fullerton with those two rogue cops that murdered that poor mentally ill man, and since that incident other incidents are coming out of the woodwork including rape of female citizens and other cover-ups where the mayor and chief of police do nothing about it. ( and no I'm not scared to visit Fullerton either)

Now the story about the gringo 17 year old tourist in Tijuana who got shaken down by two corrupt TJ cops in the tourist area of TJ did interest me, and I do have an opinion on that. The kid had on a fanny pack( big no no unless you want to attract corrupt cops or gang bang muggers) The cops found a pipe on the kid and said it had marijuana residue and they said they were going to take him before the judge but if the kids gives them 1000 pesos he would let him walk, and they took him to the bank's ATM, but the bank's manager called the 066 and alerted the police, and the two were busted. The new TJ chief of police talked all this BS how he is shocked and saddened by the news of TJ cops being disloyal to the principles of honesty and integrity, and how he won't stand for corruption. ( give me a break) I don't like corrupt cops on both sides of the border, but I would have kicked that 17 year old kid in the butt with his marijuana pipe and fanny pack.

Roberto do you read "Zeta? I don't read "Zeta" that much. I think it's a good online magazine news sources, but they are bias just like other news outlets. I didn't like the hatchet job they did on Hank Rhon, although Rhon may be the corrupt narco many people say he is. The way the military infringed on Rhon's Mexican constitutional rights was clearly unconstitutional, yet "Zeta" said nothing about that.

Woooosh is always parroting that every cop in Rosarito Beach is corrupt and he makes it sound like gospel because he claims "Zeta" says so. It's very doubtful that "Zeta" knows for sure every cop in dirty in Rosarito Beach.

And so "Zeta" should be taken with a grain of salt too, because they often become overzealous.

Woooosh - 10-13-2011 at 09:54 AM

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Originally posted by JoeJustJoe

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Originally posted by Roberto
Joe, aren't you fluent in Spanish? Did you read the Zeta article, or is that an online blog that should be taken with a grain of salt?

I would have kicked that 17 year old kid in the butt with his marijuana pipe and fanny pack.

possession of less than 6 grams of pot and the pipe is not a crime in Mexico.

http://www.sandiegored.com/noticias/19766/Baja-fires-chief-d...

"Only 19 out of 100 assaults, extortion and auto thefts are reported to the authorities at the state level, the study showed. In Tijuana, where half the state’s population lives, the number of people reporting a crime increased to 26 out of
100 crimes. The majority, however, considered filing an official report a waste of time or did not trust authorities, Inegi said. "

[Edited on 10-13-2011 by Woooosh]

DENNIS - 10-13-2011 at 11:24 AM

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Originally posted by Woooosh
possession of less than 6 grams of pot and the pipe is not a crime in Mexico.

For everybody??
I don't think so. It would be foolish for a Gringo tourist to test that one. They would soon realize the high price of innocence.

mcfez - 10-14-2011 at 11:44 AM

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Sorry that I am late for dinner here folks...and reading this post.

ARE YOU NUTZ?
To lay back and whimper in the dark is absolutely not the thing to do. Bad people are bad people...in any country. To let them get away with crime...to give them a free hand to do so....to look the other way....is pure foolish.

There are ways to fight the thugs.....quietly or outright in view. We all have the right not to be victimized by bad guys...no matter what country you may be residing in. Show some guts and fight back.

I agree with DENNIS.....dont be a fool to carry a little bit of pot into Mexico.

DENNIS - 10-14-2011 at 12:50 PM

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Originally posted by mcfez
ARE YOU NUTZ?
To lay back and whimper in the dark is absolutely not the thing to do. Bad people are bad people...in any country. To let them get away with crime...to give them a free hand to do so....to look the other way....is pure foolish.

I don't know, Deno. Each situation can be different down here. In the states, it's automatic. Call the authorities.
Here, the authorities are not the same as in the states. In fact, this case has the authorities commiting the crime. Why would anyone be so foolish to call on a brotherhood of thieves and thugs to prosecute one of their own? It won't happen. In fact, it will only serve to worsen your problem, and the next time, they may not be so delicate.

If the victim has in the past denied the reality that many police are bad, they will have neglected to train their senses to discern what is happening at the moment. They can't tell a real cop from a fraud. They wouldn't know where to look for the clues.
He is also the fool who tells himself that all police are good and would be incapable of an atrocious crime against a citizen.

This is a different world with different rules and different players.

mcfez - 10-14-2011 at 01:44 PM

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Agree DENNIS......but as I said "There are ways to fight the thugs.....quietly or outright in view".

Woooosh - 10-14-2011 at 02:06 PM

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Agree DENNIS......but as I said "There are ways to fight the thugs.....quietly or outright in view".

You really can't do it effectively or safely. The next level would be to go to through the justice and judicial system- which clearly most Mexicans feel is a waste of time. They will go to authorities for smaller domestic-issue stuff- but there is a line that few would cross. You can't go to City hall either. The only way to win is to play their game and their game is to get the job done through a connection backed up with some serious cash. No one that comes to Mexico to retire in peace plays that game for long. You can't win it as a gringo- they will eat you up and spit you out. Mexicans need to clean their own neighborhoods. Mexicans are going through the same thing too. It is their problem to fix and it will be a sloppy repair at best in our lifetimes.

If the economic crisis in the USA took a decade of potential from America's young people, the narco crisis in Mexico took two from them. So far (for both)... jmho

Woooosh - 10-14-2011 at 02:17 PM

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Originally posted by DENNIS

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Originally posted by Woooosh
possession of less than 6 grams of pot and the pipe is not a crime in Mexico.

For everybody??
I don't think so. It would be foolish for a Gringo tourist to test that one. They would soon realize the high price of innocence.

I think if you get caught you still have to go the jail and have it documented. After three strikes there is a mandatory rehab. Not sure if that is for Mexicans only.

bajaguy - 10-14-2011 at 03:08 PM

There are ways to fight back and there are ways to win......watch carefully, plan completely, strike swiftly......remember, Who Dares, Wins*.

Do not ever, ever give up.......

Or hire the Seven Samurai........

*motto of the British SAS

Cypress - 10-14-2011 at 03:12 PM

Speculations? And who will win? :tumble:

bajaguy - 10-14-2011 at 03:14 PM

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Originally posted by Cypress
Speculations? And who will win? :tumble:

If done correctly, the good guys

Woooosh - 10-14-2011 at 04:06 PM

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Originally posted by bajaguyremember, Who Dares, Wins

In Mexico it's: Who Scams, Wins. "el que no transa no avanza"

mcfez - 10-15-2011 at 06:22 AM

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Agree DENNIS......but as I said "There are ways to fight the thugs.....quietly or outright in view".

???????

Wow.....talk about living in fear.

Unsigned letters.
Calls to local papers.
Mass groups.
Friends of friends that might help
And 20 more subtle ways to fight any game in town.

Doing nothing is just a lame game.

But again.....I'm Irish and we rather fight than kiss ass. I already had a issue or two in Mexico. Had many issues in San Francisco with the hoars of the Police Department and the Fire Department .....asking/demanding various payments to keep my clubs open...or to open. Didn't win every-time...but least I got off my ass and not let the bad guys run my life.

Matter of fact...are you involved with a fight down there in Rosarito? That takes guts.....and good for you!

[Edited on 10-15-2011 by mcfez]

baja1943 - 10-16-2011 at 07:10 AM

Price you pay for walking the fine line of legality, McFez. What kind of Clubs were they?

mcfez - 10-16-2011 at 07:46 AM

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Originally posted by baja1943
Price you pay for walking the fine line of legality, McFez. What kind of Clubs were they?

Sorry...I cant understand you....you are chewing on a filthy duck with your mouth while you are communicating to me....

baja1943 - 10-16-2011 at 08:28 AM

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Originally posted by mcfez

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Originally posted by baja1943
Price you pay for walking the fine line of legality, McFez. What kind of Clubs were they?

Sorry...I cant understand you....you are chewing on a filthy duck with your mouth while you are communicating to me....

I'm ripening it up for you to cook at the McFestival.

805gregg - 10-17-2011 at 03:45 PM

Why didn't they arrest the drug dealer that lives across the street from the military post by the central plaza?