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San Ysidro POE: Couple robbed at gunpoint while waiting in line to cross.

Woooosh - 10-29-2011 at 12:09 PM

You really don't have a lot of self defense options when you are moving 2mph bumper to bumper and thugs come up on both sides of your car with guns. How many people do you think witnessed this at 2:40 pm? It just seems to be getting worse as criminals pick the lowest hanging fruit- but with precision...

Looks like an inside bank job to me and the couple would have been robbed no matter where they went. The line just made it as easy as stealing candy from a kid on Halloween.

http://www.el-mexicano.com.mx/informacion/noticias/1/22/poli...

Armed robbers continue attacking with impunity the drivers who are in line to cross to the US through the San Ysidro station.

The most recent victims - Israel Cerón Ramírez and Juan Márquez Olmos - 30 and 40-years of age, respectively, complained that yesterday afternoon two men relieved them of 99,300 pesos, a laser visa and two blackberry cellphones.

The explained that around 12:40PM they were waiting to cross to the US in a 1998 Buick Century in the Via Rapida Oriente, when two criminals approached on both sides, they threatened them with guns and took the money just minutes after they had withdrawn the money from Bancomer Zona Rio.

[Edited on 10-29-2011 by Woooosh]

DENNIS - 10-29-2011 at 12:21 PM

Too bad they didn't do a money transfer. Lots of questions come with this report.

sanquintinsince73 - 10-29-2011 at 12:26 PM

Three weeks ago my wife's brother was almost robbed at the San Ysidro POE in broad daylight. Two men approached him with weapons and demanded his money. He panicked and hit the gas and rammed two vehicles. The crooks ran away but he is still in a bad state and receiving treatment from a shrink.

JoeJustJoe - 10-29-2011 at 12:40 PM

Armed robbers continue attacking with impunity the drivers who are in line to cross to the US through the San Ysidro station.

The line sounds a little inflammatory and reminds me of sensationalistic reporting you sometimes see in the news.

So robbers are attacking with impunity based on this one attacked and another attack two weeks ago?

You would think if robbers are acting with impunity that this would be happening everyday, and night and there would be a lot more incidents and victims to report about especially if it was happening to US citizens so close to the border.

Cypress - 10-29-2011 at 12:51 PM

It is happening every day and night. You would think? What would you think? Do you think?:yes:

DENNIS - 10-29-2011 at 12:54 PM

Joe.....if there's anything inflammatory around here, it's you and your sheit stirring ways.
Wassamatta....arn't you getting enough attention in OT?

JoeJustJoe - 10-29-2011 at 12:57 PM

The most recent victims - Israel Cerón Ramírez and Juan Márquez Olmos - 30 and 40-years of age, respectively, complained that yesterday afternoon two men relieved them of 99,300 pesos, a laser visa and two blackberry cellphones.

Why were they taking 99,300 peso to the USA which is equivalent to over $7000 dollars?

Perhaps the robbers saw them withdraw money from the bank and followed them, which is probably the case.

Woooosh quit trying to scare Nomad members. This looks like a simple robbery some foolish people were seeing withdrawing a lot of money from a bank. You also have to question taking out that much pesos and then crossing the border to the US side. What were they going to do with 99,300 pesos they just withdrew from a bank on their way to the USA?

This robbery most likely has nothing to do with gringos crossing back into the US border while in bumper to bumper traffic and getting robbed with impunity by Mexican robbers.

[Edited on 10-29-2011 by JoeJustJoe]

DENNIS - 10-29-2011 at 01:07 PM

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Originally posted by JoeJustJoe
Why were they taking 99,300 peso to the USA which is equivalent to over $7000 dollars?


Well...I guess if they had read the rules of the world, they would have explained it to you in advance.
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Perhaps the robbers saw them withdraw money from the bank and followed them, which is probably the case.


No. No way. That's absurd. You're absurd. What obviously happened was, an employee in the bank called a scum-buddy and told him of the withdrawal.
Scummy and his cohort, Crappy, followed the victims into the line and robbed them.
Now....we have to find out which bank it was so we can send out WWW Warnings and boycot the place.
Yep....ASAP.


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[Edited on 10-29-2011 by DENNIS]

sanquintinsince73 - 10-29-2011 at 01:18 PM

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Originally posted by JoeJustJoe
Armed robbers continue attacking with impunity the drivers who are in line to cross to the US through the San Ysidro station.

The line sounds a little inflammatory and reminds me of sensationalistic reporting you sometimes see in the news.

So robbers are attacking with impunity based on this one attacked and another attack two weeks ago?

You would think if robbers are acting with impunity that this would be happening everyday, and night and there would be a lot more incidents and victims to report about especially if it was happening to US citizens so close to the border.


As the holidays draw closer crime will increase in Mexico as usual. The border robberies IMHO are a niche that hadn't yet been discovered by the bad guys. Thousands of cars waiting in line with minimal police presence, this was bound to happen. I fear for those who cross on the right side by the river bed, the homeless who live in the "rio" are a nasty bunch.

JoeJustJoe - 10-29-2011 at 01:19 PM

OK it might have gone down the way Dennis believes and a bank employee may have been involved.

But what's least likely to have occurred is the the way Woooosh presents the story based on the the article in the "El Mexicano" that both try to paint a picture that this was a random event at the border. And that gringos returning to the USA should be very scared very scared of getting robbed in bumper to bumper traffic by Mexican rateros acting with impunity.

Then again perhaps Woooosh is correct, and the robbers were just very lucky to pick the right people in line to rob that that thousands of dollars( pesos)

Woooosh - 10-29-2011 at 01:24 PM

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Originally posted by JoeJustJoe
OK it might have gone down the way Dennis believes and a bank employee may have been involved.

But what's least likely to have occurred is the the way Woooosh presents the story based on the the article in the "El Mexicano" that both try to paint a picture that this was a random event at the border. And that gringos returning to the USA should be very scared very scared of getting robbed in bumper to bumper traffic by Mexican rateros acting with impunity.

Then again perhaps Woooosh is correct, and the robbers were just very lucky to pick the right people in line to rob that that thousands of dollars( pesos)


I said this in the first post: "Looks like an inside bank job to me and the couple would have been robbed no matter where they went. " Can't you read a whole post all the way through Joe?

JoeJustJoe - 10-29-2011 at 01:32 PM

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Originally posted by sanquintinsince73
Quote:
Originally posted by JoeJustJoe
Armed robbers continue attacking with impunity the drivers who are in line to cross to the US through the San Ysidro station.

The line sounds a little inflammatory and reminds me of sensationalistic reporting you sometimes see in the news.

So robbers are attacking with impunity based on this one attacked and another attack two weeks ago?

You would think if robbers are acting with impunity that this would be happening everyday, and night and there would be a lot more incidents and victims to report about especially if it was happening to US citizens so close to the border.


As the holidays draw closer crime will increase in Mexico as usual. The border robberies IMHO are a niche that hadn't yet been discovered by the bad guys. Thousands of cars waiting in line with minimal police presence, this was bound to happen. I fear for those who cross on the right side by the river bed, the homeless who live in the "rio" are a nasty bunch.


Yeah Yeah Sanquintinsince I hear all those stories too, but the story is suppose to be about corrupt Mexican cops who have to buy Christmas presents too, and they need to pass the money they shakedown from hapless gringos and Mexican citizens up the chain of command to their bosses.

The problem is a lot of those stories are really old, and just never really go away despite changes how things operate today. For example in Tijuana. Shakedowns of gringos use to be really bad. They haven't been too bad now the last two or three years. There also doesn't seem to be any uptick in crime around Christmas time than any other time of the year the last few years. Yet you always hear these same stories how corrupt cops are really bad around Christmas time.

If robbers were robbing people in impunity back to the USA. It would be a simple fix to put more police where the people are returning because it's such a small area to watch over.

[Edited on 10-29-2011 by JoeJustJoe]

JoeJustJoe - 10-29-2011 at 01:41 PM

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Originally posted by Woooosh
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Originally posted by JoeJustJoe
OK it might have gone down the way Dennis believes and a bank employee may have been involved.

But what's least likely to have occurred is the the way Woooosh presents the story based on the the article in the "El Mexicano" that both try to paint a picture that this was a random event at the border. And that gringos returning to the USA should be very scared very scared of getting robbed in bumper to bumper traffic by Mexican rateros acting with impunity.

Then again perhaps Woooosh is correct, and the robbers were just very lucky to pick the right people in line to rob that that thousands of dollars( pesos)


I said this in the first post: "Looks like an inside bank job to me and the couple would have been robbed no matter where they went. " Can't you read a whole post all the way through Joe?


In that case you should put this post in a police blotter type post, and not give it Nomad front page news.

The article and you Woooosh also present this incident as a random event by robbers acting with impunity in long line at the US/Mexican border.

I call that " Sensationalism" at it's finest designed to scare Americans about Mexico.

DENNIS - 10-29-2011 at 01:43 PM

It's just no fun if we can't blame somebody. Nobody has to take it personally.

Mengano - 10-29-2011 at 01:45 PM

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Originally posted by JoeJustJoe
The article and you Woooosh also present this incident as a random event by robbers acting with impunity in long line at the US/Mexican border.

I call that " Sensationalism" at it's finest designed to scare Americans about Mexico.


Say what? The article is in a Mexican newspaper and written in Spanish. Please tell us again how it was "designed to scare Americans about Mexico."

Woooosh - 10-29-2011 at 01:45 PM

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Originally posted by DENNIS
It's just no fun if we can't blame somebody. Nobody has to take it personally.

yeah- what Dennis said.
:lol::lol:

How convenient

Dave - 10-29-2011 at 01:54 PM

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Originally posted by Woooosh
The most recent victims - Israel Cerón Ramírez and Juan Márquez Olmos - 30 and 40-years of age, respectively, complained that yesterday afternoon two men relieved them of 99,300 pesos, a laser visa and two blackberry cellphones.


Just under the limit of what one can take out of Mexico without reporting.

What are the odds? :rolleyes:

JoeJustJoe - 10-29-2011 at 02:04 PM

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Originally posted by Mengano
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Originally posted by JoeJustJoe
The article and you Woooosh also present this incident as a random event by robbers acting with impunity in long line at the US/Mexican border.

I call that " Sensationalism" at it's finest designed to scare Americans about Mexico.


Say what? The article is in a Mexican newspaper and written in Spanish. Please tell us again how it was "designed to scare Americans about Mexico."


The Mexican/Baja papers know the San Diego reporters do no real reporting, and get most of their border news from the Mexican papers, and these articles often find their way to the San Diego papers based on their "sensationalistic" content and interest. Thank God the San Diego papers ignore these type of stories now, but in the past "Fox News" might have got hold of this story and made it seems like Gringos right and left were getting robbed returning to the US border.

And then there is Woooosh your protege Mengano. You taught him well, and in my opinion he presented the story in a careless way backing up the opinion of the article writer that robbers are acting with impunity at the US/Mexican border when clearly this looks like an isolated incident of Mexican Nationals carrying a lot of money and were robbed because they were either tipped off or followed. ( Woooosh did mention it might have been an inside job, but he didn't challenge the Mexican paper in anyway)

[Edited on 10-29-2011 by JoeJustJoe]

Robbery

tehag - 10-29-2011 at 04:15 PM

Couple??

Woooosh - 10-29-2011 at 06:20 PM

"(Woooosh did mention it might have been an inside job, but he didn't challenge the Mexican paper in anyway)"

Woooosh will not being taking on the role of Mexican Print Media Critic in this lifetime- unless Zeta should trash him in an upcoming article.

JoeJustJoe - 10-30-2011 at 03:01 PM

Now we know where Woooosh got this "EL Mex" story from. Woooosh was hanging out over at the "Alarmist" Maggie's blog where Woooosh has been kicked off repeatedly, and told not to return.

This article is a perfect example how some "Alarmists" in Baja cover the news. They take the worst elements of a news story which they blindly accept with no questions asked. And then they present it to the ex-pat Americans and other readers who don't read or bother to read the Baja Spanish papers themselves.

JoeJustJoe(me) and a few other "Nomad" member do not believe this is a random robbery, and believe the two victims were targeted at the bank. I personally don't think two robberies repeated in the news means it's open season on Americans and Mexican at the US/Mexican border, or that the Mexican robbers are acting with impunity.

I believe people like Maggie are very deliberate , and only pick the Baja articles in the Mexican papers to push their anti-Mexico agenda, and their "be very scared agenda." It's all about FEAR!

Maggie does this all the time. I remember a year or two ago there was a "right-to-life" march in Tijuana, and thousands of Mexicans took to the street in protest, and support the right-to-life.

Maggie said the event was in protest of the Mexican drug cartels killing Mexicans. The event was really a anti-abortion rally put on by the Catholic church. Maggie left out that important fact.
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From "Maggie Madness" her most recent post:

VIOLENCE TIJUANA ANOTHER ATTACK ON THE LINE

According to El Mex, armed robbers are attacking with impunity motorists who are in line waiting to cross into the United States at the San Ysidro Port of Entry.

In the second attack of motorists in less than fifteen days (not counting the shooting three days back), yesterday afternoon at 12:40pm, Ceron Israel Ramiriez and Juan Marquez Olmos were waiting in line on the Fast Track East to cross the border when they were attacked by armed men on both sides, threatened with firearms and robbed of money, a laser visa and two Blackberry phones. The victims had just withdrawn the money from the Bancomer bank in the Zona Rio. There have been no arrests. BTW, the short waits going into the US which we were experiencing the past few weeks are over, the waits are back up to one and a half to two hours.

sanquintinsince73 - 10-30-2011 at 03:13 PM

Say huh?!? Not acting with impunity??? Everyone from the shoeshine boy to the taco dude to the taxi guy, et. al all act with impunity when they try to get a little extra from not only tourist's but Mexican cits as well.



Quote:
Originally posted by JoeJustJoe
JoeJustJoe(me) and a few other "Nomad" member do not believe this is a random robbery, and believe the two victims were targeted at the bank. I personally don't think two robberies repeated in the news means it's open season on Americans and Mexican at the US/Mexican border, or that the Mexican robbers are acting with impunity.

JoeJustJoe - 10-31-2011 at 12:14 PM

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Originally posted by sanquintinsince73
Say huh?!? Not acting with impunity??? Everyone from the shoeshine boy to the taco dude to the taxi guy, et. al all act with impunity when they try to get a little extra from not only tourist's but Mexican cits as well.



Quote:
Originally posted by JoeJustJoe
JoeJustJoe(me) and a few other "Nomad" member do not believe this is a random robbery, and believe the two victims were targeted at the bank. I personally don't think two robberies repeated in the news means it's open season on Americans and Mexican at the US/Mexican border, or that the Mexican robbers are acting with impunity.


Sanquintinsince aren't you the same guy that talks about in your face homosexuals ? I don't think there is any such gay people, because it still takes two to tangle and it usually takes a willing participant from the other party.

I think you're exaggerating a bit here too with the shoeshine boy, taco dude and the taxi guy. So when did any of these three types of workers put a gun to your head and act with impunity? And what did the taco dude too? I never had a bad experience with a taco dude?

However, I do believe a little " Social Darwinism" is alive and well in Mexico, and especially in the border cities like Tijuana.

If your from somewhere like Kansas. You just might have a little trouble in Mexico, and the more hapless you appear the more the locals might try to take advantage of you. You're just not in Kansas anymore.

But you can always say no, and learn how to bargain when you buy things.

ramblng man

baja1943 - 10-31-2011 at 12:44 PM

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Sanquintinsince aren't you the same guy that talks about in your face homosexuals ? I don't think there is any such gay people, because it still takes two to tangle and it usually takes a willing participant from the other party.

I think you're exaggerating a bit here too with the shoeshine boy, taco dude and the taxi guy. So when did any of these three types of workers put a gun to your head and act with impunity? And what did the taco dude too? I never had a bad experience with a taco dude?

However, I do believe a little " Social Darwinism" is alive and well in Mexico, and especially in the border cities like Tijuana.

If your from somewhere like Kansas. You just might have a little trouble in Mexico, and the more hapless you appear the more the locals might try to take advantage of you. You're just not in Kansas anymore.

But you can always say no, and learn how to bargain when you buy things.
Don't you ever read what you write?

sanquintinsince73 - 10-31-2011 at 12:55 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by JoeJustJoe
Quote:
Originally posted by sanquintinsince73
Say huh?!? Not acting with impunity??? Everyone from the shoeshine boy to the taco dude to the taxi guy, et. al all act with impunity when they try to get a little extra from not only tourist's but Mexican cits as well.



Quote:
Originally posted by JoeJustJoe
JoeJustJoe(me) and a few other "Nomad" member do not believe this is a random robbery, and believe the two victims were targeted at the bank. I personally don't think two robberies repeated in the news means it's open season on Americans and Mexican at the US/Mexican border, or that the Mexican robbers are acting with impunity.


Sanquintinsince aren't you the same guy that talks about in your face homosexuals ? I don't think there is any such gay people, because it still takes two to tangle and it usually takes a willing participant from the other party.

I think you're exaggerating a bit here too with the shoeshine boy, taco dude and the taxi guy. So when did any of these three types of workers put a gun to your head and act with impunity? And what did the taco dude too? I never had a bad experience with a taco dude?

However, I do believe a little " Social Darwinism" is alive and well in Mexico, and especially in the border cities like Tijuana.

If your from somewhere like Kansas. You just might have a little trouble in Mexico, and the more hapless you appear the more the locals might try to take advantage of you. You're just not in Kansas anymore.

But you can always say no, and learn how to bargain when you buy things.


Ayayay.....

Just about everyone along the border is looking to make a little extra something off of someone else. As reported in Channel 12 from Tijuana just the other day even the "Calafia" guys are illegally charging people higher fares than the fares set by the municipio.

It is what it is. We can't change it but we keep going down there because we love Baja and it's people. You to JJJ, I love you.