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cielo - 11-18-2011 at 01:43 PM

Wondering if anyone knows how or why the safety situation in Cabo seems to be changing. Until a few weeks ago, Baja Sur was really the only Mexican state that had isolated from the cartel problem. Hope this is not the beginning of the end for BCS. That would be a shame.

DENNIS - 11-18-2011 at 02:18 PM

Welcome to BajaNomad, Cielo.
Without knowing, or getting into details, the crime situation in Mexico can be likened to an aggressive cancer. It's spreading, and will continue to do so.
Another thing....all crime in Mexico shouldn't be attributed to the cartels. There are others who take advantage of inadaquate and inefficient law enforcement.
Mexico just ain't what it used to be.

measomsan - 11-18-2011 at 03:07 PM

spend four months a year in Cabo....much safer than Houston....

Cypress - 11-18-2011 at 03:10 PM

Mexico has become the "Wild West", but only the bad guys are allowed to carry firearms. Is there something wrong with that picture? Equalize the playing field! Allow everyone to carry firearms. When the smoke clears Mexico will be a much safer place. :light:

BajaBlanca - 11-18-2011 at 03:14 PM

welcome Cielo and I agree - what a shame if it turns out the cartels are getting more and more entrenched in a state that really did seem to be kinda sheltered from it all .....

DENNIS - 11-18-2011 at 03:21 PM

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Originally posted by measomsan
spend four months a year in Cabo....much safer than Houston....

How do you know that? Are you getting all the news?
Do you speak and understand the lingo?
Do you hang out with scum who knows what happens in the local criminal circles?
Are the police virtuous?
Is the press stifled?
:?:

Barry A. - 11-18-2011 at 03:31 PM

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Originally posted by measomsan
spend four months a year in Cabo....much safer than Houston....

"Houston" is not exactly Shang-gri-la!!!

Barry

[Edited on 11-18-2011 by Barry A.]

J.P. - 11-18-2011 at 03:55 PM

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Originally posted by Barry A.

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Originally posted by measomsan
spend four months a year in Cabo....much safer than Houston....

"Houston" is not exactly Shang-gri-la!!!

Barry

[Edited on 11-18-2011 by Barry A.]

Growing up I spent a lot of my time im North side Houston The Cartel would be fearful of going there. :lol:

Udo - 11-18-2011 at 07:13 PM

EVERYONE in Houston carries a loaded firearm.
I have to fly to Houston about every three months. Several people I know have been busted by TSA for inadvertently bringing the weapon to the airport. It's like carrying your wallet...they never think twice about it.

Would be nice if we could do the same in Mexico.

Barry A. - 11-18-2011 at 07:29 PM

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Originally posted by Udo
EVERYONE in Houston carries a loaded firearm.
I have to fly to Houston about every three months. Several people I know have been busted by TSA for inadvertently bringing the weapon to the airport. It's like carrying your wallet...they never think twice about it.

Would be nice if we could do the same in Mexico.

Boy, you sure got that right, Udo!!!!!!!!! :light:

Barry

J.P. - 11-18-2011 at 07:29 PM

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The police used to tell you when they stopped you if you have a wepon tell us and we wont bust you for it, but if we have too look for it we will bust you
I carried a 25 browning in my back pocket for so long it wore all the blueing off it. like you said it was normal if I didnt have it I felt naked,
Of course my gun of choice was a 44 mag. for the heavy stuff.

chumlee57 - 11-18-2011 at 07:41 PM

Baja is still the sweet spot, but you want to keep your eyes open a bit more. i think the deportation of a lot of these low lifes also is playing a part. obviously no statistics on that, but, just makes sense. hopefully some day soon we will have some reasonable authority in baja. my 2centshttp://forums.bajanomad.com/images/smilies/yes.gif

JESSE - 11-18-2011 at 07:43 PM

Don´t listen to those that don't even live here, the area is still very safe. The area has grown at one of the fastest rates in north america, 15yrs ago there was only 1 red light in all of los cabos, today, theres hundreds. Population has at the very least doubled in the last 10yrs, so its absolutely ridiculous to expect things to stay the same. Theres a lot of anti Mexico sentiment on this board (wich is ridiculous considering this is supposed to be a baja lovers board), so stick to the facts and don't listen to the crybabies.

Celio

BigOly - 11-18-2011 at 07:44 PM

I know the shooting in Cabo might be a bit of an "eye opener". I live in Los Barriles BCS and Bandon, Or.(when I'm not in the Winnebago). Bandon is a small, quiet, coastal town. We had a "violent shooting" a week ago. Made the headlines. Two druggies with a hoochie dispute left one with a leg wound and the other in jail. IN BANDON? WOW!
I was in Johannesburg S. Africa recently and when the folks there ask "where are you from?' I say the U.S. They say "aren't you afraid to live there? Everyone has a gun and they drive around shooting people for no reason". It's a perspective of what the press allows you believe is the truth.

JESSE - 11-18-2011 at 07:48 PM

Los cabos population 1990 = 43,920
Los cabos population 2010 = 238,487

Considering the huge surge in population, fact is, this is still a very safe place.

24baja - 11-18-2011 at 07:54 PM

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Originally posted by BigOly
I know the shooting in Cabo might be a bit of an "eye opener". I live in Los Barriles BCS and Bandon, Or.(when I'm not in the Winnebago). Bandon is a small, quiet, coastal town. We had a "violent shooting" a week ago. Made the headlines. Two druggies with a hoochie dispute left one with a leg wound and the other in jail. IN BANDON? WOW!
I was in Johannesburg S. Africa recently and when the folks there ask "where are you from?' I say the U.S. They say "aren't you afraid to live there? Everyone has a gun and they drive around shooting people for no reason". It's a perspective of what the press allows you believe is the truth.

Very good point.....it is a matter of perspective!

J.P. - 11-18-2011 at 08:11 PM

MATTER OF PERSPECTIVE.

Most true statement yet. when I first moved here 8 years ago You would have thought I worked for the Chamber Of Commerce By the way I defended BAJA. any more when someone starts that Arent You Afraid crap I tell them maybe You shouldnt come down It isnt for Every one.
Now if we could just get rid of the crowd that wants it to be like back home. wherever that was.

Mengano - 11-18-2011 at 11:27 PM

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Originally posted by JESSE
Los cabos population 1990 = 43,920
Los cabos population 2010 = 238,487

Considering the huge surge in population, fact is, this is still a very safe place.

Not according to the crime data published by your own transparent government. Your government reports the crime rate in Baja California Sur is five times the average rate in the US, and Mexico as a whole has three times the crime rate as the US.

The observed crime index per 100,000 population in Mexico is almost triple the rate of crime observed in the United States in 2009. It is worth mentioning that while in the US the rate increased during the 1980's into the mid 1990's - a period characterized by a 16.5% increase in population - during the last 15 years the US has had a dramatic decrease. Notwithstanding that, in Mexico the crime rate has stayed almost unaltered.

JESSE - 11-19-2011 at 02:16 AM

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Originally posted by Mengano

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Originally posted by JESSE
Los cabos population 1990 = 43,920
Los cabos population 2010 = 238,487

Considering the huge surge in population, fact is, this is still a very safe place.

Useless and ridiculous info, so your telling me according to that data BCS has a higher crime rate than Juarez, Monterrey and Tijuana? :lol:

Fundillo - 11-19-2011 at 06:04 AM

Useless and Ridiculous? According to this the data is right. Look at it Jesse and let it sink in. BCS is NOT what it use to be but that applies to all of Mexico. :fire:

john68 - 11-19-2011 at 06:52 AM

maybe I'm reading the chart incorrectly, but I believe it is reporting all crime, not violent crime. I think most of us are interested in felonies, particularly violent crimes.

It's my impression that Baja, particularly BCS, has relatively little violent crime.

bajaguy - 11-19-2011 at 06:57 AM

Are we concerned with ALL violent crime or just violent crime directed to/against tourists, or ex-pats (Canadian and/or American)????? :?:

DENNIS - 11-19-2011 at 07:23 AM

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Originally posted by bajaguy
Are we concerned with ALL violent crime or just violent crime directed to/against tourists, or ex-pats (Canadian and/or American)????? :?:

Both. Together and seperatly.

Mengano - 11-19-2011 at 08:50 AM

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Originally posted by JESSE
Useless and ridiculous info, so your telling me according to that data BCS has a higher crime rate than Juarez, Monterrey and Tijuana? :lol:

I guess the easiest way to deal with facts that don't fit your world view is to just ignore them or deny them. You are free to post some rebuttal information. I hear you read Spanish, so here is a link to the entire report:

http://www.cidac.org/esp/uploads/1/CIFRAS.pdf
The first thing you have to understand is that the chart is showing total crime, not just murders. When you have a country where only 1% of crimes are punished (Chart 24 on page 15), it really pays off to be a criminal. From the link:

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El problema más grande que enfrenta la procuración de justicia en México es que el Estado no ha sido capaz de erguirse como una amenaza creíble de castigo para quien cometa un delito. Desde hace diez años, los índices de impunidad han permanecido estables: sólo uno de cada 100 delitos cometidos en el país recibe castigo.

Why don't you translate that for the boys and girls in the peanut gallery?

While you are at it, take a look at the chart on page 4, which shows the number of crime reports per 100,000 people. Baja California is No. 1 in Mexico with over twice the national average, BCS is No. 6. with 66% more than the national average.

AASelf - 11-19-2011 at 09:47 AM

Not sure who's right, but CNN Mexico tells a different story.

http://mexico.cnn.com/nacional/2011/07/13/baja-california-su...

De los 10 estados con menor índice de delincuencia en México, Baja California Sur es el único ubicado en el norte del país.

Denuncias 2010*

Robos 6,433

Bancos 0

Carreteras 0

Lesiones 1,055

Homicidios 92

Patrimoniales 3,580

Secuestros 1

Violaciones 131

*Fuente: Secretariado Ejecutivo del Sistema Nacional de Seguridad Pública

dirtbikr - 11-19-2011 at 10:14 AM

Here up in Sacramento,NINE people shot in four different instances last night, I'll trade numbers anytime!

DENNIS - 11-19-2011 at 10:32 AM

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Originally posted by dirtbikr
Here up in Sacramento,NINE people shot in four different instances last night, I'll trade numbers anytime!

If the targets were legislators, it was a public service. :light:

Jack Swords - 11-19-2011 at 11:06 AM

Our near neighbor, Oceano, CA. in San Luis Obispo County (next to Pismo Beach) , population 7000 had a drive-by shooting yesterday, two shot, 17 year old killed. Reportedly not a gang member. No suspects. San Luis Obispo the "happiest cirty in the US")

wessongroup - 11-19-2011 at 11:11 AM

Glad to see ya awake Dennis ... :lol:

DENNIS - 11-19-2011 at 11:14 AM

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Originally posted by wessongroup
Glad to see ya awake Dennis ... :lol:

Well...thank you, Wiley. Very nice of you. :yes:

Mengano - 11-19-2011 at 11:48 AM

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Originally posted by lencho
One could just as easily read into the presented information that BCS has one of the highest rates of confidence in the authorities so that crimes get reported.

What rationalization would you make for the fact the people in BCS report crimes at 5 times the rate as in the US? Are the people in BCS 5 times more confident in their police than Americans?

Mengano - 11-19-2011 at 11:56 AM

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Originally posted by Jack Swords
Our near neighbor, Oceano, CA. in San Luis Obispo County (next to Pismo Beach) , population 7000 had a drive-by shooting yesterday, two shot, 17 year old killed. Reportedly not a gang member. No suspects. San Luis Obispo the "happiest cirty in the US")

Please explain how that single event relates to the entire US, or even California, and explain how you draw any valid conclusions from your example. Please note that the statistics in the link are all reported crimes for the entire country of Mexico for an entire year. Thanks, we look for to your validation of your observations and conclusions drawn therefrom.

Biased sample fallacy

This fallacy is committed when a person draws a conclusion about a population based on a sample that is biased or prejudiced in some manner. It has the following form:

Sample S, which is biased, is taken from population P.
Conclusion C is drawn about Population P based on S.
The person committing the fallacy is misusing the following type of reasoning, which is known variously as Inductive Generalization, Generalization, and Statistical Generalization:

X% of all observed A's are B''s.
Therefore X% of all A's are Bs.
The fallacy is committed when the sample of A's is likely to be biased in some manner. A sample is biased or loaded when the method used to take the sample is likely to result in a sample that does not adequately represent the population from which it is drawn.

Bajahowodd - 11-19-2011 at 05:13 PM

I don't have a good explanation, or rationale for these stats. However, having been frequently in La Paz and Los Cabos for over thirty years, I have to go with Jesse on this.

BobY - 11-25-2011 at 11:17 PM

Just squinting at that chart comparing Baja Sur and U.S. average capitated crime rate, it looks like

Baja Sur: 14,500
U.S. 9,800

That isn't a multiple of five, it isn't even double. Am I missing something?

Mengano - 11-26-2011 at 09:39 AM

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Originally posted by BobY
Just squinting at that chart comparing Baja Sur and U.S. average capitated crime rate, it looks like

Baja Sur: 14,500
U.S. 9,800

That isn't a multiple of five, it isn't even double. Am I missing something?

Yes you are missing a lot. The chart says the US is 3,500, not 9,800. That line marked "EUA" is the US. The line you see marked "Promedio"is 9,800. But "promedio"is the average crime rate for MEXICO. Will this news be in your next video?

No hay de que.