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JESSE - 11-26-2011 at 10:24 AM

This is not the bajanomads i joined many years ago, its not fun anymore, and i don't need more negativity in my life. I started on the amigos board back in 98 and then later the nomads board because this was a great way to love baja, to keep in touch with everything baja, to meet good people, to help friends, to learn, to dream, and its not any of those things aymore.

Gracias to all.

Loretana - 11-26-2011 at 10:28 AM

Es una verdadera verguenza!!!

Mengano - 11-26-2011 at 10:37 AM

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Originally posted by Loretana
Es una verdadera verguenza!!!

Así. Como la verguenza cuando Doug quitó la cuenta de Old Lady porque ella puso una queja porque mtgoat666 y joejustjoe llamó á ella "puta vieja".

DENNIS - 11-26-2011 at 10:49 AM

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Originally posted by JESSE
This is not the bajanomads i joined many years ago, its not fun anymore, and i don't need more negativity in my life. I started on the amigos board back in 98 and then later the nomads board because this was a great way to love baja, to keep in touch with everything baja, to meet good people, to help friends, to learn, to dream, and its not any of those things aymore.

Gracias to all.

Having a bad day, Jesse? Don't leave. There's no sense in letting anything here drive you away....besides, it isn't the same without you and your opinions/facts etc..
By giving up, you're throwing away a good opportunity to polish your arguementation skills, which I thought were getting pretty good.
It's Nomad, Jesse....not church. You know better than most how the game is played here and it makes no sense to me why you would accept defeat and quit.
But, do what you feel you must, and before you leave, let me remind you it's not the first time and you'll be back....so why bother going through all this nonsense.

Remember this?
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JESSE
Elite Nomad
Posts: 3351
Registered: 11-5-2002
posted on 2-19-2008 at 02:57 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by Jack -----

Sadly I think my participation in this forum is over.
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Mine as well Jack, its been a good 5 years but this is no fun anymore, take care everybody.

TacoFeliz - 11-26-2011 at 10:56 AM

Verdidamente. Lo siento tambien.

David K - 11-26-2011 at 11:02 AM

Sad that arguing and debating has to take place but one needs to just ignore the player haters. jesse please keep sharing about la paz and your restaurant. we so want to visit with you there. so take a powder as travelpearl used to say but dont leave. tu amigo.David

Skeet/Loreto - 11-26-2011 at 11:10 AM

Know how you feel Jesse:
I have the same problem so have just about been able to stay off the Off Topic and have decided not to respond to the 'Bunch of Commie Nuts in TJ".
The Childish BS going on with Somebody is this and has 15 names and hates mexico is beyond belief or answering

You have been a good help and should stay and just answer those Posts that are not produced by the Commie./Socie Nuts and their Childish BS..

Skeet/loreto

DENNIS - 11-26-2011 at 11:17 AM

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Originally posted by Skeet/Loreto
'Bunch of Commie Nuts in TJ".

Yep...by far the worst of all.

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You have been a good help and should stay and just answer those Posts that are not produced by the Commie./Socie Nuts and their Childish BS..
Skeet/loreto

You tell 'im, Skeet.

DENNIS - 11-26-2011 at 11:27 AM

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Originally posted by lencho
Being in the middle of a catfight, even if I'm not personally involved, gets... tiring.

Why do you let other people's problems bother you? Seems voyeuristic to me. :?:

BajaDove - 11-26-2011 at 11:27 AM

Deciding what to read in a hurry I check the names to see who's posted on a topic. If I see Jesse there I assume it's readable. Don't take my guide away from me.

Mengano - 11-26-2011 at 11:30 AM

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Originally posted by soulpatch
Why do people always have to make an announcement?
Seems strange to me.
Just do it. :light:

This appears to be the part in Iflyfish's psychological analysis from Dr. Berne's book where the victim says something to get attention.

woody with a view - 11-26-2011 at 11:32 AM

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Originally posted by soulpatch
Why do people always have to make an announcement?
Seems strange to me.
Just do it. :light:

Nyme Saying?

won't stop me from going to my fave spots, and bragging about how we scored, BajaBRitch or not.....

[Edited on 11-26-2011 by woody with a view]

Barry A. - 11-26-2011 at 11:35 AM

I, for one, will miss your posts, Jesse. You are a very valued member of this board and I wish you would just take a deep breath and stay with us.

But I do agree that certain very limited members of this forum have made it unpleasant and difficult----------and I now try my best to just ignor them, and not "go there".

Of course your decision, but I hope you decide to "stay".

Barry

BillP - 11-26-2011 at 11:37 AM

As mostly a lurker, there's some posters that I always read, Jesse being one.

Jesse, don't let the bastards win!!!!

wessongroup - 11-26-2011 at 11:39 AM

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Originally posted by lencho

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Originally posted by DENNIS
Why do you let other people's problems bother you? Seems voyeuristic to me. :?:

Could be-- there's a certain morbid fascination in watching catfights.

But beyond that, I see it more like being in a c-cktail party. You wander from group to group. Over in that corner a couple of drunks are yelling insults at each other and begin to duke it out. You roll your eyes and join a group talking peacefully about Thanksgiving dinner, and after a couple of minutes the drunk left standing from the corner brawl, staggers over to your Thanksgiving group and starts name-calling anyone who will react. Is it voyeuristic to be disturbed in this situation?

Ditto's... :lol:

ElCazadorAZ - 11-26-2011 at 11:40 AM

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Originally posted by JESSE
.......this was a great way to love baja, to keep in touch with everything baja, to meet good people, to help friends, to learn, to dream, and its not any of those things aymore.

Gracias to all.

OK, FNG here, again, but Jesse, I gotta tell you: BajaNomad is ALL of those things to me. I have, with sick curiosity (like driving through a bad car wreck), watched the threads turn nasty with pointed jabs and insults and I was having real trouble deciding who really was the Dick, but I just gave that up. I'm here to glean the information and LOVE for Baja California and, yes, one another, that I see in (almost) all these posts. I forget who said that "Democracy is messy", but so is a social forum. Intelligent discussion can (often) give way to inane idiocy. To err is human. Yes, there are trolls who love to hate. I compare this to the Taliban: There really aren't very many of them, but they are REALLY nasty, vocal, and ARMED. That makes them powerful and dangerous only if no one stands up to them. That takes guts, no doubt. The other 99% of us are good people who care about the place (Baja California in this instance), the inhabitants, the environment and one another. We're all a little (a lot) beat down by the SH**storm that was 2011. That's understandable. Get the December Issue of Esquire. As an American it will put a little kick back in your step. I'm upbeat about our upcoming trip. As a result of this website (you guys), we are considering Mulege, La Paz, Bahia Gonzaga, Bahia Los Angeles, etc for our RV camping trip. Already been to DF, San Felipe, San Pancho, Penasco, Guadalajara, Guaymas, Bahia Kino, Vallarta, etc. etc. Can't WAIT to see Baja California. I thank all of YOU for that. Well, almost all of you. Not sure why all the animosity exists and don't care. Some slight years ago, whatever. Doesn't matter. Really. Get over it. Get on with it. I'm somewhat naive maybe, but think back to 9/11 and what was important to you on 9/12. It sure as HELL wasn't some petty squabble. Don't wait for a life-event like that to wake you up as to what your priorities are.
Internet Anonymity has a way of changing people, and usually not in a good way. Politeness necessary in a face to face discussion goes out the door. I'm a pretty good judge of character and I can tell that I'm really looking forward to meeting most of you in person. THANK YOU all for the constructive contributions to this website. Jesse, I want you to know that we're still out here. H.

joerover - 11-26-2011 at 11:55 AM

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Baja nomads is presumably the only way for gringos in Baja to communicate with one another.
People are not quiting, they are being driven out by unwanted party guests
The quote above describes this web page well. Alcoholics have no perception of how badly they hurt the people around them.

Jesse posted a thread requesting that people stop trashing the baja web page with anti Mexico posts.
http://forums.bajanomad.com/viewthread.php?tid=56447#pid6725...
His thread turned into 6 pages of I hate Mexico and Mexicans posts.

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you're throwing away a good opportunity to polish your arguementation skills, which I thought were getting pretty good.
It's Nomad, Jesse

This is the train of thought that drives legitimate people away. With no effective leader ship Baja Nomads will continue to collect mentally challenged people who are no longer allowed to post on other web sites. People with abnormal brain chemistry can not be talked to or reasoned with..

Doug
Since you have given up on policing your web page ...
pass the baton to someone else.
create a 2 post per day limit for each computer, (not log in name.) The nomads will surely take up a collection to pay some to fix this page if you don't want to do it your self.

[Edited on 11-26-2011 by joerover]

BajaBlanca - 11-26-2011 at 12:00 PM

take a deep breath, Jesse.

I do agree that sometime the comments are so nasty that one wonders what would ever inspire anyone to waste their time being mean, really mean, ridiculously calous.

We have met soooooooooo many readers who never post. They just lurk without feeling free to write and be heard without being brutally and viciously attacked. Which IMHO is very sad.

BajaNomad - 11-26-2011 at 12:10 PM

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Originally posted by Mengano

...Como la verguenza cuando Doug quitó la cuenta de Old Lady porque ella puso una queja porque mtgoat666 y joejustjoe llamó á ella "puta vieja".

An inaccurate and misleading statement.

This was addressed previously:
http://forums.bajanomad.com/viewthread.php?tid=54033#pid6364...

Remember: play nice! :biggrin:

DENNIS - 11-26-2011 at 12:14 PM

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Originally posted by lencho
Is it voyeuristic to be disturbed in this situation?

What kind of friends do you have, anyway? It's probably voyeuristic that you stayed at that party as long as you did to see the metamorphosis unfold.

Yep....This is a side of the Larry Lencho we haven't seen in the past. Vedddy interesting and Kafakaesque.

BajaNomad - 11-26-2011 at 12:17 PM

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Originally posted by joerover

Doug
Since you have given up on policing your web page ...

I very much appreciate your obvious concern. However, another (very) inaccurate statement.

DENNIS - 11-26-2011 at 12:22 PM

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Originally posted by joerover
create a 2 post per day limit for each computer,

You're a real problem solver, arncha. Why not go for ultimate peace and just close down the site?

DENNIS - 11-26-2011 at 12:26 PM

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Originally posted by lencho
should I now leave the rest of the party because they're around?

If it's a lousy party because of the host's guest list, yes. Why would you even ask that?

BajaNomad - 11-26-2011 at 12:28 PM

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Originally posted by lencho

Doug, what's your idea on the future of this place? Are you interested in cleaning it up? My hope is that all you would have to do is give the word, to rally support from the productive majority.

Or perhaps I'm wrong; does anybody else care about regaining civil discourse around here?

:?:

Hard for me to look into a crystal ball and see what the future holds for the Internet, streaming media, and online bulletin boards (or other information sources)....

..but nothing's going on right now here that hasn't gone on in the past. Multiple times - and with different folks. And frankly, some of those "productive majority" have indicated they love it, and others hate it. Go figure.

:?:

And you're right - in another post - there's only so much I can do with the (pretty significant) time I spend here almost every day (trips to Baja being the only exception to this).

There are too many "balls in play" here to go over - and some of it needs to be done privately, as usual.

It seems everyone will have a different definition of what needs "cleaning up", as well as what "civil discourse" is. I've found the variation in the latter to be quite a challenge for years and years now.

Thank you also for your concern. I appreciate it.

-
Doug

BajaNomad - 11-26-2011 at 12:37 PM

BTW... solutions-focused comments/suggestions regarding the administration of this site are always welcomed. In public or in private. There's a forum for it.

:biggrin:

Thank you.

Skeet/Loreto - 11-26-2011 at 12:37 PM

I have been on this Board, coming over from the previous Owner Oh so many years ago.
The Board did a very good job until the "Bunch" got on and started all of the BS about Fulano, Jihad, etc.'
I have to admit that sometimes it is difficult to pass by the Post.
Could it be that Doug could make the off Topic completely out of Site and open only to those who agree if they go onto the Board???

Most of the Posts by the "Bunch' is all False Lies made up to get attention. Ifeel for some of the Youngsters who get on their Threads and beleive all the Bull Puckey, but some do beleive it!!

What a Shame.

Skeet/Loreto

wessongroup - 11-26-2011 at 12:40 PM

Well .... here is something for real... albeit a bit removed from the geography of SOB.. but, still some 4 x 4 location ... and some kind of vehicle ... and the kind of folks right here... less some of the other ...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KFwPXEeJ3aI&feature=fvst

BajaNomad - 11-26-2011 at 12:45 PM

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Originally posted by Skeet/Loreto
...all of the BS about Fulano, Jihad, etc.'

Not really much, if anything about that except in off-topic Skeet. Avoiding the off-topic forum would solve that pronto.

:biggrin:

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...Could it be that Doug could make the off Topic completely out of Site and open only to those who agree if they go onto the Board???

Thought I did that when I concealed that forum on "Today's Posts" - and made it only accessible by password?

:?:

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Most of the Posts by the "Bunch' is all False Lies made up to get attention. Ifeel for some of the Youngsters who get on their Threads and beleive all the Bull Puckey, but some do beleive it!!

What a Shame.

Yep. People need to stop feeding the trolls!

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Troll_(Internet)

Thank you Skeet.

Woooosh - 11-26-2011 at 12:54 PM

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Originally posted by Mengano

Quote:

Originally posted by soulpatch
Why do people always have to make an announcement?
Seems strange to me.
Just do it. :light:

This appears to be the part in Iflyfish's psychological analysis from Dr. Berne's book where the victim says something to get attention.

I was thinking of that same post by IFlyFish from yesterday. A "kick me" thing by a victim to gain sympathy. You don't have to announce you are leaving if you really want to leave- you just do it. He needs to reinvent himself a third time anyway- just like Baja has.

DENNIS - 11-26-2011 at 01:01 PM

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Originally posted by lencho

But I do think it is real and that it is a problem that there currently are folks who fear to post on this board because of the aggressive behavior of a few and the prevalence of personal and often vicious attacks.

Begs the question, does it not, that if there are so many silent participants, they comprise a willing audience and If that had no value, it would cease to exist at the moment it started......but it doesn't.
Wonder why?

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That is a case of "freedom of speech" infringing on the rights of others and I think it is negatively impacting the free flow of information and the overall usefulness of the board.

Rights? What rights? Nobody has a right to tell others what to say as long as that said adheres to the written rules interpreted by the author and administrator.

I contend that the fractuous behavior has intrinsic value to the site. Of course, grossly inappropriate behavior has no place here.
BajaNomad has earned a reputation as THE word on Baja issues, and has done so in the midst of turmoil as well as peaceful dialogue. This isn't a garden party.....neither is Baja. They're both tough places to deal with.

wessongroup - 11-26-2011 at 01:05 PM

Think National Enquirer ....

BajaNomad - 11-26-2011 at 01:06 PM

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Originally posted by lencho

...I do think it is real and that it is a problem that there currently are folks who fear to post on this board because of...

I agree with you completely. Somewhere though, because of the variation of sensitivities, there needs to be a mark set for the "middle ground" (or, the "line", if you will). Where should that be? Everyone will have a different opinion. How much more moderation will be required to raise that "level"? Who's going to do it? While never to everyone's approval (or anyone in particular - other than myself I suppose), I've done my best to remain consistent in applying those rules, and that's always the key issue, it ends up being the judgement of when those rules are being violated. Again, everyone's opinion/judgement differs. We all carry our own set of sensitivity levels - including the interpretation of written communications and the intent the author had.

Ayyyy.... yaaaay yaaaay.

[Edited on 11-26-2011 by BajaNomad]

BajaNomad - 11-26-2011 at 01:09 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by DENNIS
This isn't a garden party.....neither is Baja. They're both tough places to deal with.

DENNIS - 11-26-2011 at 01:10 PM

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Originally posted by lencho
Implying that it's obvious, I suppose, and perhaps something derogatory about me because I didn't see it.

Pretty good, actually. :lol:

It was your party? :lol:

Mexitron - 11-26-2011 at 01:12 PM

Seems like there's always been BS flying around the forums, a little more now maybe...bigger difference I see is more posting from folks who live in Baja full-time with all the issues that come with that. Maybe less posting about exploring the outback too (myself included, though living in TX didn't help...).

Skeet/Loreto - 11-26-2011 at 01:25 PM

Thanks Doug:

It seems to me that what we need is more Self Control!
That is difficult in these times. The need for the small "Bunch" to Post threads and use such Offensive Wording is a good example of the workings of their small minds.Again "What does it do?? Why all the wording about Jihad, Fulano, trying to theaten someone by Posting their Address:
It does seem Cowardly doing it on a Computer.

Let us all try to keep the Good Part of this Board going. It does a great service for many People including the First timers and their many Questions.

"Control our Desires and keep Our Passions within Due Bounds"

DENNIS - 11-26-2011 at 01:50 PM

Skeeter....Stay away from OT. It's an evil place and will ruin your day.

Keep Christ in Christmas.

DENNIS - 11-26-2011 at 01:56 PM

Sooo...anyway..........

Jesse...stick around and take what's good from the board and give back in kind. You are a high-value poster and a fun target.

Jes kiddin'. :biggrin:

Just sleep on it, Amigo.

sancho - 11-26-2011 at 01:57 PM

Jesse, I always looked at your posts, I assume you are a Mexican National, just guessing I don't think there
are more than just a few on BN, your perspective is often different than us P-nche Gringos.
By the looks of things, seems you have a few other readers.
D, nice Ricky Nelson reference

DENNIS - 11-26-2011 at 02:04 PM

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Originally posted by sancho
D, nice Ricky Nelson reference

Ohhh freakin' nooooo...............enlighten me, please.

sancho - 11-26-2011 at 02:09 PM

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Originally posted by DENNIS
[Ohhh freakin' nooooo...............enlighten me, please.

Talk about straying off topic, but don't you
remember a song Garden Party by R Nelson?
Baja music for sure

DENNIS - 11-26-2011 at 02:20 PM

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Originally posted by sancho
Talk about straying off topic, but don't you
remember a song Garden Party by R Nelson?
Baja music for sure

Indeed I do. Thanks for the reminder.
And now, for everyone's viewing and listening pleasure...here's Ricky:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fxdiraVxwkI

bajajudy - 11-26-2011 at 02:39 PM

Sooooooooooooo
Does anyone know if Tres Virgenes is open on Mondays.

Bob H - 11-26-2011 at 02:54 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by DENNIS

Quote:

Originally posted by sancho
Talk about straying off topic, but don't you
remember a song Garden Party by R Nelson?
Baja music for sure

Indeed I do. Thanks for the reminder.
And now, for everyone's viewing and listening pleasure...here's Ricky:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fxdiraVxwkI

That was great DENNIS... Ricky died way too young in that plane crash Dec 31, 1985 at the age of 45. He would be in his early 70's today.

JESSIE...I would hope that you would rest on whatever got to you and stay around. I have always enjoyed your posts!

[Edited on 11-26-2011 by Bob H]

KASHEYDOG - 11-26-2011 at 03:28 PM

OK,YOU GUYS I'VE HAD ENOUGH OF THIS.

I've been watching these 2 threads for the past couple of days.This will be my one and only response to all this B.S. As I refuse to become involved. I have better things to do. And besides as I've said here before " do not argue with idiots, people may not be able to tell who's who. "

However, I think I may have a solution to this whole matter.

We should have a wonderful Baja Nomad Garden Party at the Pyramid next weekend. All Nomads are invited and Mcfez and I will gleefully volunteer our services and abilities as peace keepers, sargent at arms and BOUNCERS. All parties not at peace and in agreement by the end of the day will have the next day in rehabilitation and therapy with the two of us..........

[Edited on 11-26-11 by KASHEYDOG]

WRESTLING MATCH NOMAD.jpg - 47kB

KASHEYDOG - 11-26-2011 at 03:30 PM

PEACE KEEPER, MCFEZ

[Edited on 11-26-11 by KASHEYDOG]

MCFEZ NOMAD.jpg - 48kB

BajaRat - 11-26-2011 at 03:53 PM

Take what you like from here.
You are what you write.
A world without opinion is no life at all.
I enjoy eating the fish not the guts.

vandenberg - 11-26-2011 at 04:16 PM

If you could make the "banned" folks permanent, instead of having them come back repeatedly under other monikers, it would do this board a load of good. :biggrin:

And that's not counting current members that frequently hurl insults around with impunity, without any repercussion, which should be the task of the moderator.
JMO.

[Edited on 11-26-2011 by vandenberg]

[Edited on 11-27-2011 by vandenberg]

Mengano - 11-26-2011 at 04:29 PM

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Originally posted by BajaNomad
Remember: play nice! :biggrin:

Well, I have to admit you have been surprisingly lenient the past several months. Even I am perplexed. Thankful, but perplexed.
:cool:

Mengano - 11-26-2011 at 04:35 PM

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Originally posted by vandenberg
If you could make the "banned" folks permanent, instead of having them come back repeatedly under other monikers, it would do this board a load of good. :biggrin:

Yes, then you could rename this board "TalkBaja" and limit discussions to:
1. The latest fish catch.
2. The latest Baja home construction project.
3. The latest new restaurant that opened up in the same location as the last failed restaurant.
4. How to get to Rosarito from San Ysidro.
5. How to renew your FM2/3.

I estimate that would drop the total post count down to 5 or 10 per day. :rolleyes:

ELINVESTIG8R - 11-26-2011 at 04:42 PM

mcfez - 11-26-2011 at 04:45 PM

We shall not flag or fail. We shall go on to the end. We shall fight in France, we shall fight on the seas and the oceans, we shall fight with growing confidence and growing strength in the air, we shall defend our island, whatever the cost may be. We shall fight on the beaches, we shall fight on the landing grounds, we shall fight in the fields and in the streets, we shall fight in the hills; we shall never surrender.
Sir Winston Leonard Spencer Churchill

Jessie...you been around too long to let a few twerps push you down. Get up when pushed to the ground...Get up when pushed to the ground...Get up when pushed to the ground......dont let them win! My "Gramps" used to say that to me. I live by those words each day...you should too. Get your butt back in here.

Free speech is great....you have to take the good...with the bad. That's free speech.

I posted this this a.m. at this topic...about free speech and changes that I demand to be made at the Bajanomads:

Suggestions, Comments, or Issues
posted on 11-26-2011 at 03:18 PM

I agree with a lot of the responses here. I demand change to the BN immediately! Here's a list of no no's that should be enforced:

No humorous replies
No political replies
Religious remarks absolutely nada
I dont like cats...no photos of them.
Dead ducks hunting pictures.....instant bans should be imposed.
Recommended cooking recipes that sounds bad.
Giving away "secret" surf spot locations
Misspelling of the Baja towns...gets a whipping from DavidK
Accusing others of stealing DENNIS's trash can
And of most importance: not addressing McFez as "Sir McFez".

Lastly to be said....Doug means does indeed watches his BN here. I have seen stuff bumped to Off Topics...and stuff that disappeared it seems. I have seen idiots banned here..many times. Hell....he even got rid of that yankeeirishman years back :-) Doug was fair. I was not. I deserved to had been banned....same as others that have been put on that road.

Hell....I even like DENNIS

[Edited on 11-26-2011 by mcfez]

Cypress - 11-26-2011 at 04:45 PM

Mengano, You're asking for trouble, but.....???? :biggrin:

Mengano - 11-26-2011 at 04:51 PM

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Originally posted by Cypress
Mengano, You're asking for trouble, but.....???? :biggrin:

Hey, trouble is my middle name. My last name is Pendejo.

greengoes - 11-26-2011 at 04:57 PM

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Originally posted by mcfez
Jessie...you been around too long to let a few twerps push you down. Get up when pushed to the ground...Get up when pushed to the ground...Get up when pushed to the ground......dont let them win! My "Gramps" used to say that to me. I live by those words each day...you should too. Get your butt back in here.

KASHEYDOG - 11-26-2011 at 05:15 PM

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Originally posted by mcfez
Hell....I even like DENNIS

Now you've gone too far, Mcfez.......... :lol:

...

Doug, I demand immediate banishment..... :smug:

..,.

...

[Edited on 11-27-11 by KASHEYDOG]

Bajahowodd - 11-26-2011 at 05:21 PM

Great insight, Nancy!

Did you, per chance, hire the thugs that beat Ron into a pulp? Just askin'.

wessongroup - 11-26-2011 at 05:30 PM

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Originally posted by mcfez
ad.

Hell....I even like DENNIS

[Edited on 11-26-2011 by mcfez]

Now, is that due to his underwear preferences ...

Mengano - 11-26-2011 at 06:42 PM

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Originally posted by lencho

Quote:

Originally posted by Mengano
I estimate that would drop the total post count down to 5 or 10 per day. :rolleyes:

And the s/n ratio would rise about 5 or ten times.

That, in addition to the likely influx of posters who are currently hanging back because of the hostile environment, might just make this a different and more pleasant place...

There's no noise on TalkBaja, Larry, and they have 3 posts a day -- every single one a BajaNomad. Where are all the people who are holding back? Hmmmmmm?

DENNIS - 11-26-2011 at 06:46 PM

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Originally posted by lencho
That, in addition to the likely influx of posters who are currently hanging back because of the hostile environment, might just make this a different and more pleasant place...

Pure bulllsht, Larry. If Noobs want to come on board with legitimate questions or answers, they won't be molested. Their input will be welcomed.....graciously.

The idea, propagated by you and some others, that this place will eat out your heart if you dare say a word, is crap. You only support the BS idea that the Nomad board is dangerous territory.
Why do you do that? You only fortify the myth....the lie.

New posters here are judged by their first post....be it question or answer. It's on them to make their place here.
Some do.....Some don't, but this isn't hell on earth.
Have your friends get on board and join us. If they have the balls for Baja, they have the balls for BajaNomad.

.

DENNIS - 11-26-2011 at 07:08 PM

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Originally posted by RichBaja
you think maybe they want people to beg them not to leave? :lol:

Rich.....I'm begging you.....Please leave. Please.

DENNIS - 11-26-2011 at 07:10 PM

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Originally posted by RichBaja
This coming from a guy that just yesterday was attacking a member and spewing out all kinds of negativity. :lol:

Who you be talking about? Perhaps we can agree on something. :?:

This is a Pretty Good Example

Gypsy Jan - 11-26-2011 at 07:29 PM

About how the Baja Nomad community can (maybe) be self healing.

Jesse is a long-time poster who is very knowledgeable about life and politics in Baja and who shares that information with the English posting Nomads.

He gets targeted by trolls (or maybe worse) and got tired about getting harassed about his posts on Nomad.

In a matter of hours, there is more than a thousand views, several hundred posts, most of them positive.

I don't know if Jesse is a little bit less p****d off by now, but the Nomad community has responded in an overwhelmingly positive manner, even if it is in a predictably jokey, goofy way.

Jesse, my dos pesos, just delete messages from people that upset you, but please keep us Nomads updated on your restaurant and your other projects.

Sincerely yours, Gypsy Jan

[Edited on 11-27-2011 by Gypsy Jan]

mulegemichael - 11-26-2011 at 07:53 PM

...huh?...

bacquito - 11-26-2011 at 07:59 PM

Yes there are a few things and people that I disagree with but all in all it is a great way to know Baja and contact people that feel the same.
I don't know you but I suggest you just ignore the people/conversations you don't want to enter and concentrate on interestings things such as photos, camping, restaurants and points of interest.
I think this is a very informative board and I have gained knowledge by being a member.

Cisco - 11-26-2011 at 08:22 PM

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Originally posted by DENNIS

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With the interests, history, eclectic backgrounds, enthusiasm and the variation of fields and intellects that are represented in the membership of this forum it should be a premium site of knowledge and communication that would be unrivaled in its context.

Not unraveling as my short time here has experienced.

DENNIS - 11-26-2011 at 08:43 PM

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Originally posted by Cisco
Not unraveling as my short time here has experienced.

I'm pretty sure that was helpful. Can you be a bit more specific??

Cisco - 11-26-2011 at 09:01 PM

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Originally posted by DENNIS

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Originally posted by Cisco
Not unraveling as my short time here has experienced.

I'm pretty sure that was helpful. Can you be a bit more specific??

Sure Dennis, and please consider that this is my, a Newbi’s experience and perhaps I am just not on the same wavelength as some of the more prolific posters.

I see attacks that are purely personal in nature, not relating to what I feel is the intent of the forum and certainly having nothing to do with the overall context of the group as a whole, in many cases not even relevant to the immediate thread. I find that distracting, discouraging and disappointing.

Appreciate your question and, always, your input to the overall well-being of the forum.

DENNIS - 11-26-2011 at 09:18 PM

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Originally posted by Cisco
Sure Dennis, and please consider that this is my, a Newbi’s experience and perhaps I am just not on the same wavelength as some of the more prolific posters.

Ohhh...hardly still a disconnected Noob. Doug should have sent your code ring and diagram for the secret Nomad handshake after your 75'th post. Don't tell us you didn't receive it???

Thanks for your cordial reply.

RichBaja - 11-26-2011 at 09:20 PM

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Originally posted by DENNIS

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Originally posted by RichBaja
you think maybe they want people to beg them not to leave? :lol:

Rich.....I'm begging you.....Please leave. Please.

Dennis, This post must be from somebody else. You are much to much the sweetheart to post such mean things.

[Edited on 11-27-2011 by RichBaja]

DENNIS - 11-26-2011 at 09:30 PM

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Originally posted by RichBaja

Dennis, This post must be from somebody else. You are much to much the sweetheart to post such mean things.

Yeahhhhhh...I'm a nice guy..huh. I think I'll go watch TV and eat some candy.

G'nite.

Bajafun777 - 11-26-2011 at 09:38 PM

Jesse has left the house, so any discussion here to get him to re-evaluate his issues with this forum is soooo not going to happen. I have seen several people leave then they return with new energy to withstand the winos, dinos and dingbats that drive them nuts here!! :biggrin:

Will make sure I see Jesse at his place of business on my next visit to La Paz. Take Care & Travel Safe----- "No Hurry, No Worry, Just FUN" bajafun777

wessongroup - 11-26-2011 at 10:36 PM

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Originally posted by DENNIS

Ohhh...hardly still a disconnected Noob. Doug should have sent your code ring and diagram for the secret Nomad handshake after your 75'th post. Don't tell us you didn't receive it???

Thanks for your cordial reply.

Hey, I didn't get mine... :lol:

Iflyfish - 11-26-2011 at 10:56 PM

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Well said!

Spit the hook! You have many, many friends here. Include me in that group. Your perspective is valuable.

Iflyfish

honda tom - 11-27-2011 at 12:23 AM

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Originally posted by Skeet/Loreto
I have been on this Board, coming over from the previous Owner Oh so many years ago.
The Board did a very good job until the "Bunch" got on and started all of the BS about Fulano, Jihad, etc.'
I have to admit that sometimes it is difficult to pass by the Post.
Could it be that Doug could make the off Topic completely out of Site and open only to those who agree if they go onto the Board???

Most of the Posts by the "Bunch' is all False Lies made up to get attention. Ifeel for some of the Youngsters who get on their Threads and beleive all the Bull Puckey, but some do beleive it!!

What a Shame.

Skeet/Loreto

AMEN! i REMEMBER when we would share baja info on this board. Then it got into how we did this to the landscape.... and how we were so bad to the sea .. and how we destroyed the turtle swim to verde bay. all I know is I love this place and want to share it with my friends and family, and throw out a couple tips to my fellow baja travelers. The rest of you are destroying a good thing.

honda tom - 11-27-2011 at 12:25 AM

I feel your pain skeet

DENNIS - 11-27-2011 at 06:57 AM

Phew....that was a tough day. Is Jesse back yet?

mcfez - 11-27-2011 at 07:40 AM

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Originally posted by DENNIS
Phew....that was a tough day. Is Jesse back yet?

He is not DENNIS.

Perhaps it's time to change the subject to something with a little less friction. Turtle soup. Yes...let's talk turtle soup and throw in some words about regional snake transfers to other regional grounds to see what sort of weird science it produces.

Udo - 11-27-2011 at 09:11 AM

We are STILL going by Tres Virgenes restaurant in December.

Bob H - 11-27-2011 at 09:26 AM

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Well stated!

DENNIS - 11-27-2011 at 09:28 AM

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Originally posted by mcfez
He is not DENNIS.

I found him. He's not talking, but he has surfaced. I won't say where..........yet anyway.

Hook - 11-27-2011 at 09:36 AM

I just dont get this aversion to the ebb and flow of a board.

It's similar to an open conversation at a party or an open discussion in a classroom. You hear varying opinions, you see prejudices, you agree or disagree, you join in or you dont.

Yeah, I guess you can leave the party or walk out of the classroom. But that's at one's loss to the continual learning curve that is life. You learn about issues and you learn about people. And you still have to provide your own filter to all this. But why shut it all out?

It's a board, fer chrissakes. Take from it what you will and discard the rest. Dont take differing opinions so personally.

I think it a little hypocritical for persons to complain about the board being taken over by newbies and their issues, while continuing to dispense antiquated information about Mexico that applied when they were last here; 5-10 years ago.

This applies more to subsequent naysaying posters that to the original one.

There IS good information contained in some of the muckraking newbie posts.

There is very little, IMO, in the latter. I sometimes feel like I am reading placards in a museum.

[Edited on 11-27-2011 by Hook]

Ricardo - 11-27-2011 at 09:41 AM

The problem is the comments aren't just opinions they are personal attacks.
Rick

Udo - 11-27-2011 at 09:54 AM

Do we even know what started this?

Hook - 11-27-2011 at 10:03 AM

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Originally posted by Ricardo
The problem is the comments aren't just opinions they are personal attacks.
Rick

And Jesse is innocent of this??

He's been on an anti-American kick for the last year or so. He often gets personal.

Is it THAT shocking that he would be challenged by some, on an English speaking board mostly populated by Americans??

What goes around, comes around.................

Instead he's chosen to get out of the kitchen, I guess. :light:

David K - 11-27-2011 at 10:08 AM

He started 'cooking' over on Ron's forums it seems... I agree with you Hook... He had never had a problem with posting his feelings about anyone. His counters to Muñoz (the liar of Conception Bay/ BuenaVentura) was always enjoyable to read! I thought his avatar of the Soup N-zi was most fitting, too! NO SOUP FOR YOU!

Barry A. - 11-27-2011 at 10:56 AM

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Originally posted by Hook

I think it a little hypocritical for persons to complain about the board being taken over by newbies and their issues, while continuing to dispense antiquated information about Mexico that applied when they were last here; 5-10 years ago.

There is very little, IMO, in the latter. I sometimes feel like I am reading placards in a museum.

THAT'S IT, Hook---------I am outa here!!!!!

Barry

DianaT - 11-27-2011 at 11:02 AM

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Originally posted by Barry A.

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THAT'S IT, Hook---------I am outa here!!!!!

Barry

No you are not.

Cypress - 11-27-2011 at 11:21 AM

Yep, this isn't a history forum.

I enjoy the posts about "way back when", but the Baja of today isn't what it was a few years back.

woody with a view - 11-27-2011 at 11:21 AM

c'mon Patch, let censor do it's job!

tripledigitken - 11-27-2011 at 11:24 AM

Yea, lets hear some "firehouse talk". :cool:

Hook - 11-27-2011 at 11:34 AM

The members are the auto-correct, if I understand you.

Defining "correct" can be tough, though...............hence, the need to filter info through your own experiences.

Mengano - 11-27-2011 at 11:39 AM

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Originally posted by David K
He had never had a problem with posting his feelings about anyone. His counters to Muñoz (the liar of Conception Bay/ BuenaVentura) was always enjoyable to read!

True, but he had a huge problem with others posting their feelings. And Muñoz is no angel, but Jesse forgot to mention that Muñoz was in direct competition in real estate down there with Jesse's financial backers in Las Tres Putones, Geoffrey Lujan Pruitt and his family. Jesse also forgot to mention that the financial backers of his failed restaurant in Tijuana, La Hacienda de Tijuana, just happen to be on the Foreign Narcotic Kingpin Designation Act list of banned persons as drug money launderers. Jesse's unsavory history with Aldo Salato, another BajaNomad, is well documented.

Remember David, in Mexico nothing is ever as it appears to be. You are really way out of your depth to comprehend what is really going on down there.

Hook - 11-27-2011 at 11:41 AM

Now, Barry..........

My point is that there will always be newbies that challenge the traditional bent of the board. But I still want to see their info. It's valuable; whatever their motivations for posting it. And current info is even more valuable.

I still enjoying reading the reminiscing and the way things were. Sometimes things still are that way.

But when we talk about some things like fishing and places to stay and dealing with cops in Mexico, it's changed.

I really like the light-handedness that Doug uses on the board. More info is good. Let the individual decide what they want to do with the info.

Starting to sound like a silly college philosophy prof..... :rolleyes:

[Edited on 11-27-2011 by Hook]

David K - 11-27-2011 at 12:10 PM

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Originally posted by Mengano

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Originally posted by David K
He had never had a problem with posting his feelings about anyone. His counters to Muñoz (the liar of Conception Bay/ BuenaVentura) was always enjoyable to read!

Well, you are not helping any of us wishing him to not give up posting here... Maybe Jesse moved to La Paz to get away from the issues in Tijuana. I sure didn't see any "well documented" issues between Jesse and the late Aldo... but I don't look for the bad in people... they generally expose their negativity without any special effort!

David K - 11-27-2011 at 12:13 PM

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Originally posted by Cypress
Yep, this isn't a history forum.

I enjoy the posts about "way back when", but the Baja of today isn't what it was a few years back.

This one is! :light:

: http://forums.bajanomad.com/forumdisplay.php?fid=24

Udo - 11-27-2011 at 12:17 PM

Except that he OWNS the Kitchen.

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Instead he's chosen to get out of the kitchen, I guess. :light:

Hook - 11-27-2011 at 12:18 PM

Not THAT kitchen. This kitchen. The Nomad kitchen.

Mengano - 11-27-2011 at 12:30 PM

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Originally posted by David K
Maybe Jesse moved to La Paz to get away from the issues in Tijuana. I sure didn't see any "well documented" issues between Jesse and the late Aldo... but I don't look for the bad in people... they generally expose their negativity without any special effort!

THE ANSWER

joerover - 11-27-2011 at 12:42 PM

THE ANSWER
create an over 18 forum with unlimited posting.
have a 2 post per day limit on the regular board.

The two basic posters types are not compatible!

-people seeking information about Baja.

-people who mega post all day.

The mega posters will soon abandon the rated G area for the rated R over 18 grumpy pill eating mega poster area.

The educated sober people seeking intelligent on topic well informed conversation will be happy exchanging information on Baja.

Note to mega poster: the bulk of the people spend between 30 and 60 minutes looking at the Internet each day. These people don't want to sift through useless bar room jokes and burp fart posts.

Example: people asking about low crime areas in baja do not want to read inebriated posts about Antarctica.

A mirror image of some of the most popular message boards with unlimited posting would keep the mega posters happy.
A post limit would keep friendly people happy.

http://forums.bajanomad.com/viewthread.php?tid=56500#pid6733...
This is the only mega poster I am aware of who provides useful information. A small number of people will earn an exemption from the post limit. A very small number.

If no changes are made the only means of communication between English speaking baja residence will continue its downward spiral and ....

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