QUESTION ABOUT TIRES

Good advice Feliz... plus maybe earbud's ..

Digital images

David K standing next to my BFG AT-shod Ford Ranger in 2000 at Shell Island.


Balancing a tire on a bent wheel looks like this.



A great-looking set of wheels changed this problem immediately.

When I said my BFG AT's were "rough riding", I did not mean they "hopped". That is an "out of round" problem, or gross imbalance------both things that I demand (and get for free) a replacement tire if thet happens. Tires should be "round", and be able to balance with just a minimum of weights. If they are not, then there is a manufacturing defect, and the dealer will replace them free (been there, done that). Wheels are seldom (never?) "out of balance" unless damaged, or defective, in which case you can have them replaced for free.

In my experience, all "load range D" reputable tires are stiff (multible plys cause stiff) so therefore ride rougher than the factory tires (usually inadaquate) that came with the vehicle.

The "noise" complaint I hear often on this board totally mystifies me--------I have never had a noisy BFG AT in 20 + years.

Barry

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--I have never had a noisy BFG AT in 20 + years.

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Originally posted by bajalou Quote: --I have never had a noisy BFG AT in 20 + years. Turn down the XM radio, Barry.

Hankook DynaPro ATm a really great on and off road tire that is quiet on the highway... Available as a P or LT rated tire.

this ALWAYS interests me and i always end up buying alot of chineese tires

DOT Markings

Essentially the DOT marking serves as the tire's fingerprint. DOT signifies that the tire complies with U.S. Department of Transportation Tire Safety Standards, and is permitted for highway use.

For example refer to the following markings:

DOT M5H3 459X 064

The first letter and number following DOT designate the tire's manufacturer and plant code.

The third, fourth and fifth number and letter, 59X, is the tire size code which is an optional manufacturers code that identifies the tire size and other specific characteristics of the tire.

The final three numbers denote when the tire was produced, with the first two indicating the week, and the last number indicating the year (064 indicates the tire was built in the 6th week of 1994).

Where is it made and how old is it?

A1 France Michelin
A2 Brazil Lee
A3 Illinois General
A4 Korea Hung-A
A5 Poland Z.O.S.
A6 India Apollo
A7 Thailand Bridgestone
A8 Indonesia Bridgestone
A9 Ohio General
AA Ohio General
AB Texas General
AC N. Carolina General
AD Kentucky General
AE Spain General
AF Portugal General
AH Mexico General
AJ Michigan Uniroyal
AK Massechusetts Uniroyal
AL Wisconsin Uniroyal
AM California Uniroyal
AN Alabama Uniroyal
AO India Wearwell
AP Oklahoma Uniroyal
AT England Avon
AU Ontario Uniroyal
AV Ohio Seiberling
AW Israel Samson
AX Germany Phoenix
AY Germany Pheonix
B1 France Michelin
B2 Malaysia Dunlop
B3 Nova Scotia Michelin
B4 Hungry Taurus
B5 Poland Z.O.S.
B6 S.Carolina Michelin
B7 Alabama Michelin
B8 Brazil Michelin
B9 S.Carolina Michelin
BA Ohio Goodrich
BB Oklahoma Goodrich
BC Pennsylvania Goodrich
BD Oklahoma Goodrich
BE Alabama Goodrich
BF Indiana Goodrich
BH Canada Goodrich
BJ Germany Goodrich
BK Brazil Goodrich
BL Columbia Goodrich
BM Austria Goodrich
BN Phillipines Goodrich
BO Morocco General
BP Iran Goodrich
BT Austria Semperit
BU Ireland Semperit
BV Kentucky IRI
BW Colorado Gates
BX Tennesse Gates
BY Colorado Gates
C1 Nigeria Michelin
C2 Brazil Kelly
C3 Maryland McCreary
C4 Tennessee Dico
C5 Poland Z.O.S.
C6 Czechoslovakia Mitas
C7 Kentucky Ironsides
C8 Taiwan Bridgestone
C9 Taiwan Seven Star
CA Ohio Mohawk
CB Arkansas Mohawk
CC Virgina Mohawk
CD Israel Alliance
CE Connecticutt Armstrong
CF Iowa Armstrong
CH California Armstrong
CJ Japan Inque
CK Tennessee Armstrong
CL Germany Continental
CM Germany Continental
CN France Continental
CO Turkey Goodyear
CP Germany Continental
CT Germany Continental
CU Germany Continental
CV Mississippi Armstrong
CW Japan Toyo
CX Japan Toyo
CY Pennsylvania McCreary
D1 Norway Viking-Askim
D2 Tennessee Dayton
D3 Ontario United
D4 India Dunlop
D5 India Dunlop
D6 Yugoslavia Borovo
D7 S. Africa Dunlop
D8 S. Africa Dunlop
D9 Ontario United
DA New York Dunlop
DB Alabama Dunlop
DC Ontario Dunlop
DD England Dunlop
DE England Dunlop
DF England Dunlop
DH Scotland Dunlop
DJ Ireland Dunlop
DK France Dunlop
DL France Dunlop
DM Germany Dunlop
DN Germany Dunlop
DO Turkey Kelly
DP England Dunlop
DT Australia Dunlop
DU Australia Dunlop
DV Netherlands Vredestein
DW Netherlands Vredestein
DX Netherlands Vredestein
DY Ohio Denman
E1 Taiwan Chung Hsin
E2 Brazil Firestone
E3 Tennessee Seiberling
E4 New Zealand Firestone
E5 S. Africa Firestone
E6 Tunisia Firestone
E7 Kenya Firestone
E8 Ghana Firestone
E9 S. Africa Firestone
EA Germany Metzeler
EB Germany Metzeler
EC Germany Metzeler
ED Japan Okamoto
EE Japan Nitto
EF Korea Hung Ah
EH Japan Bridgestone
EJ Japan Bridgestone
EK Japan Bridgestone
EL Japan Bridgestone
EM Japan Bridgestone
EN Japan Bridgestone
EO Turkey Lee L.T.
EP Japan Bridgestone
ET Japan Sumitomo
EU Japan Sumitomo
EV France Kleber
EW France Kleber
EX France Kleber
EY Germany Kleber
F0 Mississippi American
F1 Scotland Michelin
F2 Venezuela Firestone
F3 France Michelin
F4 Portugal CNB
F5 Argentina FATE
F6 Spain Firestone
F7 Spain Firestone
F8 India Vikrant
F9 New Zealand Dunlop
FA Japan Yokohama
FB Japan Yokohama
FC Japan Yokohama
FD Japan Yokohama
FE Japan Yokohama
FH France Michelin
FJ France Michelin
FK France Michelin
FL France Michelin
FM France Michelin
FN France Michelin
FP Algeria SATI
FT Germany Michelin
FU Germany Michelin
FV Germany Michelin
FW Germany Michelin
FX Belgium Michelin
FY Holland Michelin
H0 Pakistan General
H1 Spain Michelin
H2 Korea Kumho
H3 Yugoslavia Sava
H4 Japan Bridgestone
H5 France Hutchison
H6 Korea Shin Hung
H7 Taiwan Li Hsin
H8 Oklahoma Firestone
H9 Germany Feifen-Berg
HA Spain Michelin
HB Spain Michelin
HC Spain Michelin
HD Italy Michelin
HE Italy Michelin
HF Italy Michelin
HH Italy Michelin
HJ Ireland Michelin
HK Ireland Michelin
HL England Michelin
HM England Michelin
HN Nova Scotia Michelin
HP Vietnam Michelin
HT Italy Ceat
HU Italy Ceat
HV Italy Ceat
HW Czechoslovakia Rudy Rijen
HX Ohio Dayton
HY Oklahoma Dayton
J0 Korea Korea Inocee
J1 Oklahoma Phillips
J2 Singapore Bridgestone
J3 Czechoslovakia Gumarne
J4 Czechoslovakia Rubena
J5 Oklahoma Lee
J6 USSR Jaroslav
J7 Indiana R & J
J8 Shanghai Da Chung
J9 Indonesia P.T. Intriub
JA Ohio Lee
JB Ohio Lee
JC Pennsylvania Lee
JD Maryland Lee
JE Virgina Lee
JF N. Carolina Lee
JH Illinois Lee
JJ Alabama Lee
JK Mississippi Lee
JL California Lee
JM Massachusetts Lee
JN Kansas Lee
JP Texas Lee
JT Tennessee Lee
JU Ontario Lee
JV Ontario Lee
JW Ontario Lee
JX Quebec Lee
JY Argentina Lee
K0 Korea Michelin
K1 Oklahoma Phillips
K2 Kentucky Lee
K3 Taiwan Kenda
K4 Mexico Uniroyal
K5 Germany VEB
K6 Oklahoma Lee
K7 Chile Lee
K8 Malaysia Kelly
K9 Taiwan Natier Tire
KA Australia Lee
KB Australia Lee
KC Brazil Lee
KD Columbia Lee
KE Congo Lee
KF France Lee
KH Germany Lee
KJ Germany Lee
KK Greece Lee
KL Guatamala Lee
KM Luxembourg Lee
KN India Lee
KP Indonesia Lee
KT Italy Lee
KU Jamaica Lee
KV Mexico Lee
KW Peru Lee
KX Phillipines Lee
KY Scotland Lee
L0 France Michelin
L1 Taiwan Goodyear
L2 Korea Wuon Poong
L3 Korea Tong Shin
L4 Romania I.D.A.
L5 Turkey Lassa Lastik
L6 India Modi
L7 Romania I.D.A.
L8 Zimbabwe Dunlop
L9 England Panther
LA S. Africa Lee
LB Sweden Lee
LC Thailand Lee
LD Turkey Lee
LE Venzuela Lee
LF England Lee
LH Austria Uniroyal
LJ Belgium Uniroyal
LK Columbia Llantas
LL France Uniroyal
LM Germany Uniroyal
LN Mexico Uniroyal
LP Scotland Uniroyal
LT Turkey Uniroyal
LU Venzuela Uniroyal
LV Ontario General
LW Sweden Trelleborg
LX Japan Mitsuboshi
LY Japan Mitsuboshi
M1 Morocco Goodyear
M2 Kentucky Goodyear
M3 N. Carolina Michelin
M4 Ohio Goodyear
M5 Nova Scotia Michelin
M6 Oklahoma Goodyear
M7 Chile Goodyear
M8 India Premier
M9 Connecticut Uniroyal
MA Ohio Goodyear
MB Ohio Goodyear
MC Virgina Goodyear
MD Alabama Goodyear
ME Michigan Goodyear
MF California Goodyear
MH Maine Goodyear
MJ Kansas Goodyear
MK Tennessee Goodyear
ML Maryland Goodyear
MM N. Carolina Goodyear
MN Illinois Goodyear
MP Texas Goodyear
MT Pennsylvania Goodyear
MU Argentina Goodyear
MV Austria Goodyear
MW Austria Goodyear
MX Brazil Goodyear
MY Columbia Goodyear
N1 Switzerland Maloja
N2 New York Hurtubise
N3 Japan Nitto
N4 Romania I.D.A.
N5 Germany Pneumant
N6 Germany Pneumant
N7 Romania I.D.A.
N8 Malaysia Lee
N9 Brazil C.P. Tropical
NA Congo Goodyear
NB England Goodyear
NC France Goodyear
ND Germany Goodyear
NE Germany Goodyear
NF Greece Goodyear
NH Guatemala Goodyear
NJ Luxembourg Goodyear
NK India Goodyear
NL Indonesia Goodyear
NM Italy Goodyear
NN Jamaica Goodyear
NP Mexico Goodyear
NT Peru Goodyear
NU Phillipines Goodyear
NV Scotland Goodyear
NW S. Africa Goodyear
NX Sweden Goodyear
NY Thailand Goodyear
P1 Sweden Gislaved
P2 Kentucky Kelly
P3 Sweden Skepplanda
P4 Ohio Kelly
P5 Mexico Genl Popo
P6 Oklahoma Kelly
P7 Chile Kelly
P8 China Oingdao
P9 India MRF
PA Turkey Goodyear
PB Venezuela Goodyear
PC Alberta Goodyear
PD Quebec Goodyear
PE Ontario Goodyear
PF Ontario Goodyear
PG Ontario Goodyear2
PH Marland Kelly
PI Sweden Gislaved
PJ N. Carolina Kelly
PK Illinois Kelly
PL Texas Kelly
PM Pennsylvania Kelly
PN Ohio Kelly
PP Ohio Kelly
PT Virgina Kelly
PU Alabama Kelly
PV Mississippi Kelly
PW California Kelly
PX Maine Kelly
PY Kansas Kelly
T1 Korea Hankook
T2 Poland Uniroyal
T3 Poland Z.O.S.
T4 Belgium Carideng
T5 Yugoslavia Tigar-Pirot
T6 Mexico Hulera Tornel
T7 Korea Hankook
T8 Malaysia Goodyear
T9 India MRF
TA Tennessee Kelly
TB Argentina Kelly
TC Australia Kelly
TD Australia Kelly
TE Brazil Kelly
TF Columbia Kelly
TH Congo Kelly
TJ England Kelly
TK France Kelly
TL Germany Kelly
TM Germany Kelly
TN Greece Kelly
TP Guatamala Kelly
TT Luxembourg Kelly
TU India Kelly
TV Indonesia Kelly
TW Italy Kelly
TX Jamaica Kelly
TY Mexico Kelly
U1 Taiwan Lien Shin
U2 Japan Sumitomo
U3 Yugoslavia Miloje Zakie
U4 Ohio Byers & Sons
U5 Germany Farbenfabrik
U6 Germany Pneumant
U7 Germany Pneumant
U8 Taiwan Nankang
U9 Mississippi Cooper
UA Peru Kelly
UB Phillipines Kelly
UC Scotland Kelly
UD S. Africa Kelly
UE Sweden Kelly
UF Thailand Kelly
UH Turkey Kelly
UJ Venezuela Kelly
UK Alberta Kelly
UL Quebec Kelly
UM Ontario Kelly
UN Ontario Kelly
UP Ohio Cooper
UT Texas Cooper
UU Pennsylvania Carlisle
UV Japan Kzowa
UW Japan Okada
UX Taiwan Tay Feng
UY Taiwan Cheng Shin
V1 Ohio Livingston's
V2 USSR Vsesojuznoe
V3 Taiwan Ta Hsin
V4 Japan Ohtsu
V5 Mexico Firestone
V6 Mexico Firestone
V7 USSR Vsesojuznoe
V8 Sweden Boras
V9 Massachusetts M & R Tire
VA Ohio Firestone
VB Ohio Firestone
VC Georgia Firestone
VD Illinois Firestone
VE Indiana Firestone
VF California Firestone
VH Tennessee Firestone
VJ Pennsylvania Firestone
VK California Firestone
VL Ontario Firestone
VM Alberta Firestone
VN Quebec Firestone
VP Italy Firestone
VT Spain Firestone
VU Pennsylvania Universal
VV Sweden Firestone
VW Japan Ohtsu
VX England Firestone
VY England Firestone
W1 Tennessee Firestone
W2 N. Carolina Firestone
W3 Netherlands Vredestein
W4 Australia Dunlop-Olympic
W5 Argentina Firestone
W6 Phillipines Philtread
W7 Portugal Firestone
W8 Thailand Siam Tyre
W9 Brazil Firestone
WA France Firestone
WB Costa Rica Industria Ak.
WC Austria Firestone
WD Switzerland Firestone
WE Taiwan Nankang
WF Spain Firestone
WH Sweden Firestone
WK Mississippi Mansfield
WL Ohio Mansfield
WM Australia Dunlop-Olympic
WN Australia Olympic
WP Maryland Schenuit
WT India Madras
WU India Ceat
WV Taiwan General
WW Mexico Euzkadi
WX Mexico Euzkadi
WY Mexico Euzkadi
X0 USSR Vsesojuznoe
X1 Korea Tong Shin
X2 Taiwan Hwa Fong
X3 USSR Vsesojuznoe
X4 Iran Pars
X5 India JK Industries
X6 USSR Vsesojuznoe
X7 USSR Vsesojuznoe
X8 USSR Vsesojuznoe
X9 USSR Vsesojuznoe
XA Italy Pirelli
XB Italy Pirelli
XC Italy Pirelli
XD Italy Pirelli
XE Italy Pirelli
XF Spain Pirelli
XH Greece Pirelli
XJ Turkey Pirelli
XK Brazil Pirelli
XL Brazil Pirelli
XM Argentina Pirelli
XN England Pirelli
XP England Pirelli
XT Germany Veith-Pirelli
XU Korea Sam Yang
XV Ontario Dayton
XW Alberta Dayton
XX Iowa Bandag
XY Quebec Dayton
Y1 Brazil Goodyear
Y2 N. Carolina Dayton
Y3 N. Carolina Seberling
Y4 Ohio Dayton
Y5 China Tsen Tai
Y6 Malaysia Dunlop
Y7 Tennessee Bridgestone
Y8 India Bombay
Y9 Indonesia P.T. Gadjah
YA Ohio Dayton
YB Ohio Dayton
YC Georgia Dayton
YD Illinois Dayton
YE Indiana Dayton
YF California Dayton
YH Tennessee Dayton
YJ Pennsylvania Dayton
YK California Dayton
YL Finland Oy Nokia
YM Ohio Seberling
YN Ohio Seberling
YP Georgia Seberling
YT Illinois Seberling
YU Indiana Seberling
YV California Seberling
YW Tennessee Seberling
YX Pennsylvania Seberling
YY California Seberling

bass ... mr. front end... would think you have some really good stuff along this line... HUH...thanks for sharing to all... great topic ...

Goes right along with that pole line trip of ken's.. good timing.. and must say some great pic... sorry for a brief high jack... well, most of ya know me... bit hard for me to stay on the track... always has been ... it's a curse..

So keep it up.. looking for something for a Bronco ... in a while...

not to concerned about road noise ... its pretty noisy as she runs... but, run she does... and that's all I care about... good old brownie ... might be taking it Prescott, AZ .. with the wife driving... will see if I can make it Jan.. if not, my sister in law will go with the wife...

Just wanted to see what Prescott was like in the winter... were going to spend a week or so... been a while since I've been cold... .. and saw snow ..

For me, will be looking more for a really good road tire... with off road abilities... so this is working out pretty good for me...

Even with all these folks that HATE baja.. we have such a pool of practial experience here... I find a shame to waste... use it all the time..learn something just about every day ... ain't that the way it's supposed to be... something new every day ....

Anything to worry about Mr.Bass ... you getting cobwebs on ya...
... missing that grind up in Orange County ..

[Edited on 11-28-2011 by wessongroup]

[Edited on 11-28-2011 by wessongroup]

I have 15k on my BF Goodrich AT tires and they are worn out and getting replaced tomorrow. As for noise, I can't hear anything over that Cummins motor. JH

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Originally posted by bajamedic I have 15k on my BF Goodrich AT tires and they are worn out and getting replaced tomorrow. As for noise, I can't hear anything over that Cummins motor. JH

I suspect you have a serious alignment problem----or-----they are not AT's. Maybe "rugged trails"??? or you have inflation problems like too little or too muchnpressure!?!?!?!?. 15K miles on them you should barely notice any wear at all. Did they wear evenly???

I got to thinking about the reported "noise" that AT's make for some folks (not me) and it occurred to me that I NEVER drive with my windows open (severe dust allergies) so maybe I just never hear the noise what with AC being on and all?!?!?!? But, I sure hear the noise from my son's BFG Mud Terraign tires------very noisy, even with the windows up, radio blaring, AC on.

Barry

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Originally posted by Barry A. Quote: Originally posted by bajamedic I have 15k on my BF Goodrich AT tires and they are worn out and getting replaced tomorrow. As for noise, I can't hear anything over that Cummins motor. JH I suspect you have a serious alignment problem----or-----they are not AT's. Maybe "rugged trails"??? or you have inflation problems like too little or too muchnpressure!?!?!?!?. 15K miles on them you should barely notice any wear at all. Did they wear evenly??? I got to thinking about the reported "noise" that AT's make for some folks (not me) and it occurred to me that I NEVER drive with my windows open (severe dust allergies) so maybe I just never hear the noise what with AC being on and all?!?!?!? But, I sure hear the noise from my son's BFG Mud Terraign tires------very noisy, even with the windows up, radio blaring, AC on. Barry

Yep. 15k on a set is unheard of, unless you are just peeling out every chance you get.

The tread on the AT's are enormous. Can't see them going bald for years or 60k miles.

OP

Gonzaga Bay claimed another piece of metal!

The good thing is that now you have some good stories to tell about your latest trip to Baja!

There was the first road... built in the late 1950's that followed Arturo Grosso's pilot trail he built using dynamite and a dozer or some other machine to win the prize awarded by the governor (about 1955 I think). This connected his Laguna Chapala ranch to San Felipe. There was a road to the sulfur mine and Arroyo Matomi, but that was it before Grosso.

After the government built their first road to Gonzaga, the Anmericans in their Jeeps began to arrive (we did in 1965, the first time). That road was very steep in several places south of Puertecitos... A local man and the truck drivers would make small repairs to it, but it was a very tough road.

After the Baja Highway was completed (at the end of 1973), most traffic and supplies for Gonzaga came in from the south, to use the new highway... the road south from Puertecitos got worse and worse with lack of maintenance. I last drove it in 1979.

1974:



1975:





1979:






The last photo is in Calamajue Canyon, which from about 1961 to 1983 was the main routh of 'Mex. 5' to the south, being a better road than the shorter route to Laguna Chapala.

In 1986, the governement built a new 'dirt highway' from Puertecitos south. For the first time, 2WD vehicles could safely drive to Gonzaga from Puertecitos. A new graded road was built about 1983 from Laguna Chapala to Puerto Calamajue, and where the 1986 and 1983 roads met, 'Coco' made his 'Corner'.




The 1986 road was maintained to about 2005, but deteriorated after that and became very rough to drive. It was as slow to drive as it had been in the days of the original road.

July, 2005:



Feb., 2007:






In 2008, a new paved road was begun from Puertecitos south... it was slow going due to the rugged terrain. The highway is a first class road, with shoulders and bridges... built to last.

Sept., 2008:



Pavement ended less than 2 miles from Puertecitos.






The Pemex at Gonzaga was built in 1999, but not openned for many years.

July, 2010:






Pavement ended 18 miles from Puertecitos (just south of El Huerfanito). Road construction continued about 6 more miles.



Between Gonzaga and Coco's Corner


The last photo is the road between Coco's Corner and Laguna Chapala


July, 2011:

Pavement ended 24 miles from Puertecitos, and road construction continued south for 8 miles, leaving just 10 unimproved, rogh miles to Papa Fernandez' where the maintained road began again. By December, 2011 those last 10 rough miles were reported as being regraded and pavement was advancing.





At Laguna Chapala/ Hwy. 1:

Barry, bring it down!

Cisco, I do believe that Costco also offers a slide conversion service... My fear is that half of them will be inverted... and I will need to flip them manually on my PC... I don't know? I have a lot, but not a ton of slides... A Baja Nomad from Alaska (AkBear) also sent me his slides that I might enjoy (someday) when I get a machine or have it done... It's all about $$ right now...

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Originally posted by David K Hankook DynaPro ATm a really great on and off road tire that is quiet on the highway... Available as a P or LT rated tire.

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Originally posted by desertcpl Quote: Originally posted by David K Hankook DynaPro ATm a really great on and off road tire that is quiet on the highway... Available as a P or LT rated tire. David I am going to buy some new tires real soon, I cant live with mine any longer,, where did you buy yours, as you know I am in Yuma, might be hard to find here

I run Cooper tires on all my vehicles and never have had a tire falier. I have a set of Cooper Discovery A/T/R's on my Suburban 4x4 that I use mostly as a tow vehicle they are three years old and show little wear they are extreamly quite on the road and provide excelent traction. and if it means anything to you they are made in AMERICA

Thanks DK and others for good feel on tire's and price considerations... as it is a bit of money for tires ... IMHO .. but then, I'm half Scottish ...

[Edited on 1-7-2012 by wessongroup]

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Originally posted by J.P. Quote: Originally posted by desertcpl thanks David I will look into it, I will shelve the 3 ply for now. on another thread, at one time you mentioned Cooper tires I run Cooper tires on all my vehicles and never have had a tire falier. I have a set of Cooper Discovery A/T/R's on my Suburban 4x4 that I use mostly as a tow vehicle they are three years old and show little wear they are extreamly quite on the road and provide excelent traction. and if it means anything to you they are made in AMERICA

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Originally posted by desertcpl Quote: Originally posted by J.P. Quote: Originally posted by desertcpl thanks David I will look into it, I will shelve the 3 ply for now. on another thread, at one time you mentioned Cooper tires I run Cooper tires on all my vehicles and never have had a tire falier. I have a set of Cooper Discovery A/T/R's on my Suburban 4x4 that I use mostly as a tow vehicle they are three years old and show little wear they are extreamly quite on the road and provide excelent traction. and if it means anything to you they are made in AMERICA I see that Discount tires here in Yuma sells Cooper, I think I will get a price quote for both Cooper and Hankook

BIG O TIRES

What size are you running? LT265s? LT285s?

Falken (made in Thailand) is fairly new to the off road tire market, but they are hitting the market hard.

Hankook (made is South Korea) has a large following on Tacoma World, and is what I am running now (P rated, but they come in LT as well).

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Originally posted by David K Falken (made in Thailand) is fairly new to the off road tire market, but they are hitting the market hard. Hankook (made is South Korea) has a large following on Tacoma World, and is what I am running now (P rated, but they come in LT as well).

The difference between P and LT tires

I have had two new 4x4 vehicles that came with P-rated tires----------------of the 8 total tires, 4 self destructed all with less than 18K miles, and one with less than 5K miles.

On all my 4x4's (3) I have had BFG AT KO's LT's after getting rid of the P-rated tires, and never had any problems since.

It's all in our personal experience, that's for sure.

Barry

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Originally posted by Barry A. I have had two new 4x4 vehicles that came with P-rated tires----------------of the 8 total tires, 4 self destructed all with less than 18K miles, and one with less than 5K miles. On all my 4x4's (3) I have had BFG AT KO's LT's after getting rid of the P-rated tires, and never had any problems since. It's all in our personal experience, that's for sure. Barry

Gee, you must be a mad man out there ..... hope you weren't that hard on Government vehicle's...

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Originally posted by wessongroup Quote: Originally posted by Barry A. I have had two new 4x4 vehicles that came with P-rated tires----------------of the 8 total tires, 4 self destructed all with less than 18K miles, and one with less than 5K miles. On all my 4x4's (3) I have had BFG AT KO's LT's after getting rid of the P-rated tires, and never had any problems since. It's all in our personal experience, that's for sure. Barry Gee, you must be a mad man out there ..... hope you weren't that hard on Government vehicle's...

LOL-----You know , I really am not an aggressive driver. I drive slowly, but do go into some pretty knarly places, but not extreme like Ken Cooke does. I am kinda a "tire nut" and have had a LOT of experience with off-road tires with my assignment in the desert and a fleet of off-road Ranger trucks to manage. Tho the P-rated tires do really well in the sand (due to flexibility), our experience is that they simply will not hold up against rocks and wooden-plant staubs (not that we drove over "plants") ------lots of sidewall punctures, and even tire-face failures due to rock damage, staub damage, and my personal vehicles have had the same problems. We (and me) found that the LT tires held up much better, even on light duty vehicles with not a lot of weight. They definitely do better on the moderately heavy-load vehicles. Very little experience with trailer hauling, or really heavy loads, so really can't address that aspect. I use "E" (3400 @ 70 lbs) rated tires now on my two heavy vehicles, and "C" rated (2000 lbs @ 50 lbs) tires on my Isuzu Trooper, fully inflated when on the highway, but always air way down when in the dirt with all my vehicles.

Just my experience------everybody is different, it seems.

Barry

I feel ripped off, then! I want a 35" tire with strong sidewalls in a P-rating!!


[Edited on 1-12-2012 by Ken Cooke]

Well just an update on what I just did

after shopping all over Yuma, I ended up at Discount Tire

I bought the Falken , Rocky mountain tire

LT265/70R 16 D,, it also has 3 ply side walls

they gave me credit for my BFGs out the door with the warranty
$743.45

[Edited on 1-14-2012 by desertcpl]

This Goodyear MTR blew out on the dirt road to "Shipwrecks" near Camalu. It was an LT265r16 with super-strong sidewalls, etc. Dan wasn't pushing his Ford Explorer and he still had this tire problem in Baja. Just an F.Y.I.

GREAT TIRE!

Ken----------I know that you know ---------what happened to that Goodyear tire can happen to ANY tire under the certain circumstances that would puncture/damage ANY tire. You buy the best tire you can, drive carefully (or not) and you takes your chances----------

It is what it is.

Having said that, this new Falkin tire looks and sounds like it may be a good one------I do hope to read reports from those that have them in the future.

Barry