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[*] posted on 11-27-2011 at 01:04 PM
QUESTION ABOUT TIRES


i am running BFG all terrain T/A
on my 07 Tacoma TRD Off Road

I have about 33,000 miles on them, i have them balanced and rotated at the recommended mileage

but the question is,
how many miles could I expect to get from the tires
it seems lately I am getting alot of tire noise now driving on the freeways, they are starting to feel a little rough riding for my taste?
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[*] posted on 11-27-2011 at 01:22 PM


You will surely get quite a few opinions on this topic, but it has been my experience that I get about 40-50,000 miles on the BFG All Terrain T/As. Several sets on an old CJ-7, another set on an '04 Tundra 4x4 double cab with a pop-top camper on the back.

If you have 4WD, the edges will cup and wear slightly, regardless of how religiously you rotate them and keep on top of the air pressure. This has more to do with the mechanical pieces in a 4WD drive train than it has to do with the type of tires you run.

As they say, your mileage may vary.

Pay close attention to the sidewall damage and 'checking', since the sidewalls can wear out and become unsafe long before you run out of tread. You may be able to minimize the tire noise by adjusting the air pressure a bit.
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[*] posted on 11-27-2011 at 01:42 PM


Good advice Feliz... plus maybe earbud's .. :):)



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[*] posted on 11-27-2011 at 02:56 PM


I have them on all 3 of my 4x4's and I consistantly get about 40K out of them. I have never experienced the "cupping" that others report, but I have them aligned & balanced at a "truck alignment specialty" shop (reads expensive) and I think it is worth it. Again, others have reported that they are noisy, but I have never experienced that in any of my vehicles. They are rough riding, but all heavy-duty tires seem to be rough riding, I believe. I run them at about 45 (load range D) on the highway, and 25 in the dirt. (lower in sand and rocks)

As said above, "tires" are a very personal matter, and we all have different opinions, that is for sure.

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[*] posted on 11-27-2011 at 03:12 PM


Thanks for the input, I will keep following this
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[*] posted on 11-27-2011 at 03:19 PM


I ran two sets of these tires on my Ford Ranger from 2000 through 2003 when I sold the Ford and bought my Rubicon. These tires became louder, and they rode rough for an All-Terrain tire.

One suggestion is to have the bead broken and rotate the tire on the rim, and have the tire remounded/rebalanced. A tire that is rough riding is also going to cause damage to your steering and CV Joints. These parts are lighter in weight and lighter duty and can become damaged over time by hopping tires, tires that are out-of-round, etc.




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[*] posted on 11-27-2011 at 04:17 PM


ken
why break the bead

why not just take off all the lead and rebalance




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[*] posted on 11-27-2011 at 04:29 PM


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ken
why break the bead

why not just take off all the lead and rebalance


Turning the tire on the rim will reset everything from scratch. It really helps when a tire is out of round and exhibiting these "hopping" characteristics.

The best remedy is to replace the hopping tire with a new tire. You will know you have a problem when you see the amount of weights used to HELP balance the suspect tire.




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[*] posted on 11-27-2011 at 04:32 PM


Try stripping weights and check balance weight needed. Rotate tire 180 on rim and re-check. SOMETIMES you can reduce weight needed by this process. Also check balance on bare rim and mark the heavy point, use this as a guide to position tire on rim. Trial and error, but it works.

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[*] posted on 11-27-2011 at 04:34 PM
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David K standing next to my BFG AT-shod Ford Ranger in 2000 at Shell Island.


Balancing a tire on a bent wheel looks like this.:no:



A great-looking set of wheels changed this problem immediately.




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[*] posted on 11-27-2011 at 05:37 PM


When I said my BFG AT's were "rough riding", I did not mean they "hopped". That is an "out of round" problem, or gross imbalance------both things that I demand (and get for free) a replacement tire if thet happens. Tires should be "round", and be able to balance with just a minimum of weights. If they are not, then there is a manufacturing defect, and the dealer will replace them free (been there, done that). Wheels are seldom (never?) "out of balance" unless damaged, or defective, in which case you can have them replaced for free.

In my experience, all "load range D" reputable tires are stiff (multible plys cause stiff) so therefore ride rougher than the factory tires (usually inadaquate) that came with the vehicle.

The "noise" complaint I hear often on this board totally mystifies me--------I have never had a noisy BFG AT in 20 + years. :?::?:

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[*] posted on 11-27-2011 at 06:50 PM


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[*] posted on 11-27-2011 at 07:08 PM


It is interesting about people getting there tires rotated. On my 93 Toyota 4x4 I never rotated the tires in the 150,000 miles I owned it except when I bought two new ones they went on the front. Never saw a need to. Tires wore flat all the way around. BFG TA KOs lasted 40,000 to 45,000 miles. I changed them early because I like a little extra rubber. My 91 chevy was another story until I did my own camber adjustments. Tire shops wouldn't listen to what I wanted done. My GMC tread wears flat too. I also put the new ones on the front. I'm still checking out my 04 Tacoma.
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[*] posted on 11-27-2011 at 07:51 PM


Quote:
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Quote:
--I have never had a noisy BFG AT in 20 + years. :?::?:



Turn down the XM radio, Barry.


What did you say, Lou???

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[*] posted on 11-27-2011 at 07:53 PM


In my old Isuzu rodeo I heard tons of BF Goodrich AT tire noise, not so much in my Tundra recently. In fact I didn't hear noticeable change in noise when I purchased my last pair post removal of stock Michelins. I usually get about 50k on a set. My friend has 75k right now on his BFGs with tread to spare. Amazing.



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[*] posted on 11-27-2011 at 10:47 PM


You guys are "hearing things"------------I am on my 3rd set of BFG AT's on my '89 Isuzu Trooper (150K miles) and never has there been the slightest "noise" out of those tires, when new, or when old and almost worn out. (235 x 15's)

What in the world are you folks doing to your tires????

The other two vehicles with identical tires are an 2007 Nissan X-terra (265 x 16) and a l994 F-250 pickup. (285 x 16's)

--------and no, I seldom even have my radio on, and my wife is very quiet.

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[*] posted on 11-27-2011 at 11:57 PM


Hankook DynaPro ATm a really great on and off road tire that is quiet on the highway... Available as a P or LT rated tire.





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[*] posted on 11-28-2011 at 02:43 AM


I aways replace the origina tires with C00PER A.T.RADILS they may be a little more Pricey, I think they are worth it ultra quite and excelnt traction I have a set on my 4x4 Suburban that have been on the vehicle 3+ years with little or no signs of wear. I buy them in BAJA where i get free Balance ,Rotation and alignment if needed. My Motorhome will need tires soon it has Michlens on it now which I think is one of the worst tires made I will replace with Coopers

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[*] posted on 11-28-2011 at 06:59 AM


this ALWAYS interests me and i always end up buying alot of chineese tires:lol:

DOT Markings

Essentially the DOT marking serves as the tire's fingerprint. DOT signifies that the tire complies with U.S. Department of Transportation Tire Safety Standards, and is permitted for highway use.

For example refer to the following markings:

DOT M5H3 459X 064

The first letter and number following DOT designate the tire's manufacturer and plant code.

The third, fourth and fifth number and letter, 59X, is the tire size code which is an optional manufacturers code that identifies the tire size and other specific characteristics of the tire.

The final three numbers denote when the tire was produced, with the first two indicating the week, and the last number indicating the year (064 indicates the tire was built in the 6th week of 1994).

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AB Texas General
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AD Kentucky General
AE Spain General
AF Portugal General
AH Mexico General
AJ Michigan Uniroyal
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AL Wisconsin Uniroyal
AM California Uniroyal
AN Alabama Uniroyal
AO India Wearwell
AP Oklahoma Uniroyal
AT England Avon
AU Ontario Uniroyal
AV Ohio Seiberling
AW Israel Samson
AX Germany Phoenix
AY Germany Pheonix
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B2 Malaysia Dunlop
B3 Nova Scotia Michelin
B4 Hungry Taurus
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B9 S.Carolina Michelin
BA Ohio Goodrich
BB Oklahoma Goodrich
BC Pennsylvania Goodrich
BD Oklahoma Goodrich
BE Alabama Goodrich
BF Indiana Goodrich
BH Canada Goodrich
BJ Germany Goodrich
BK Brazil Goodrich
BL Columbia Goodrich
BM Austria Goodrich
BN Phillipines Goodrich
BO Morocco General
BP Iran Goodrich
BT Austria Semperit
BU Ireland Semperit
BV Kentucky IRI
BW Colorado Gates
BX Tennesse Gates
BY Colorado Gates
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C2 Brazil Kelly
C3 Maryland McCreary
C4 Tennessee Dico
C5 Poland Z.O.S.
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C7 Kentucky Ironsides
C8 Taiwan Bridgestone
C9 Taiwan Seven Star
CA Ohio Mohawk
CB Arkansas Mohawk
CC Virgina Mohawk
CD Israel Alliance
CE Connecticutt Armstrong
CF Iowa Armstrong
CH California Armstrong
CJ Japan Inque
CK Tennessee Armstrong
CL Germany Continental
CM Germany Continental
CN France Continental
CO Turkey Goodyear
CP Germany Continental
CT Germany Continental
CU Germany Continental
CV Mississippi Armstrong
CW Japan Toyo
CX Japan Toyo
CY Pennsylvania McCreary
D1 Norway Viking-Askim
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D3 Ontario United
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D5 India Dunlop
D6 Yugoslavia Borovo
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D8 S. Africa Dunlop
D9 Ontario United
DA New York Dunlop
DB Alabama Dunlop
DC Ontario Dunlop
DD England Dunlop
DE England Dunlop
DF England Dunlop
DH Scotland Dunlop
DJ Ireland Dunlop
DK France Dunlop
DL France Dunlop
DM Germany Dunlop
DN Germany Dunlop
DO Turkey Kelly
DP England Dunlop
DT Australia Dunlop
DU Australia Dunlop
DV Netherlands Vredestein
DW Netherlands Vredestein
DX Netherlands Vredestein
DY Ohio Denman
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E2 Brazil Firestone
E3 Tennessee Seiberling
E4 New Zealand Firestone
E5 S. Africa Firestone
E6 Tunisia Firestone
E7 Kenya Firestone
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EA Germany Metzeler
EB Germany Metzeler
EC Germany Metzeler
ED Japan Okamoto
EE Japan Nitto
EF Korea Hung Ah
EH Japan Bridgestone
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EK Japan Bridgestone
EL Japan Bridgestone
EM Japan Bridgestone
EN Japan Bridgestone
EO Turkey Lee L.T.
EP Japan Bridgestone
ET Japan Sumitomo
EU Japan Sumitomo
EV France Kleber
EW France Kleber
EX France Kleber
EY Germany Kleber
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F2 Venezuela Firestone
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F4 Portugal CNB
F5 Argentina FATE
F6 Spain Firestone
F7 Spain Firestone
F8 India Vikrant
F9 New Zealand Dunlop
FA Japan Yokohama
FB Japan Yokohama
FC Japan Yokohama
FD Japan Yokohama
FE Japan Yokohama
FH France Michelin
FJ France Michelin
FK France Michelin
FL France Michelin
FM France Michelin
FN France Michelin
FP Algeria SATI
FT Germany Michelin
FU Germany Michelin
FV Germany Michelin
FW Germany Michelin
FX Belgium Michelin
FY Holland Michelin
H0 Pakistan General
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H3 Yugoslavia Sava
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H5 France Hutchison
H6 Korea Shin Hung
H7 Taiwan Li Hsin
H8 Oklahoma Firestone
H9 Germany Feifen-Berg
HA Spain Michelin
HB Spain Michelin
HC Spain Michelin
HD Italy Michelin
HE Italy Michelin
HF Italy Michelin
HH Italy Michelin
HJ Ireland Michelin
HK Ireland Michelin
HL England Michelin
HM England Michelin
HN Nova Scotia Michelin
HP Vietnam Michelin
HT Italy Ceat
HU Italy Ceat
HV Italy Ceat
HW Czechoslovakia Rudy Rijen
HX Ohio Dayton
HY Oklahoma Dayton
J0 Korea Korea Inocee
J1 Oklahoma Phillips
J2 Singapore Bridgestone
J3 Czechoslovakia Gumarne
J4 Czechoslovakia Rubena
J5 Oklahoma Lee
J6 USSR Jaroslav
J7 Indiana R & J
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JB Ohio Lee
JC Pennsylvania Lee
JD Maryland Lee
JE Virgina Lee
JF N. Carolina Lee
JH Illinois Lee
JJ Alabama Lee
JK Mississippi Lee
JL California Lee
JM Massachusetts Lee
JN Kansas Lee
JP Texas Lee
JT Tennessee Lee
JU Ontario Lee
JV Ontario Lee
JW Ontario Lee
JX Quebec Lee
JY Argentina Lee
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K2 Kentucky Lee
K3 Taiwan Kenda
K4 Mexico Uniroyal
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K7 Chile Lee
K8 Malaysia Kelly
K9 Taiwan Natier Tire
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KB Australia Lee
KC Brazil Lee
KD Columbia Lee
KE Congo Lee
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KK Greece Lee
KL Guatamala Lee
KM Luxembourg Lee
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KP Indonesia Lee
KT Italy Lee
KU Jamaica Lee
KV Mexico Lee
KW Peru Lee
KX Phillipines Lee
KY Scotland Lee
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L3 Korea Tong Shin
L4 Romania I.D.A.
L5 Turkey Lassa Lastik
L6 India Modi
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LA S. Africa Lee
LB Sweden Lee
LC Thailand Lee
LD Turkey Lee
LE Venzuela Lee
LF England Lee
LH Austria Uniroyal
LJ Belgium Uniroyal
LK Columbia Llantas
LL France Uniroyal
LM Germany Uniroyal
LN Mexico Uniroyal
LP Scotland Uniroyal
LT Turkey Uniroyal
LU Venzuela Uniroyal
LV Ontario General
LW Sweden Trelleborg
LX Japan Mitsuboshi
LY Japan Mitsuboshi
M1 Morocco Goodyear
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M5 Nova Scotia Michelin
M6 Oklahoma Goodyear
M7 Chile Goodyear
M8 India Premier
M9 Connecticut Uniroyal
MA Ohio Goodyear
MB Ohio Goodyear
MC Virgina Goodyear
MD Alabama Goodyear
ME Michigan Goodyear
MF California Goodyear
MH Maine Goodyear
MJ Kansas Goodyear
MK Tennessee Goodyear
ML Maryland Goodyear
MM N. Carolina Goodyear
MN Illinois Goodyear
MP Texas Goodyear
MT Pennsylvania Goodyear
MU Argentina Goodyear
MV Austria Goodyear
MW Austria Goodyear
MX Brazil Goodyear
MY Columbia Goodyear
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N7 Romania I.D.A.
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NB England Goodyear
NC France Goodyear
ND Germany Goodyear
NE Germany Goodyear
NF Greece Goodyear
NH Guatemala Goodyear
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NK India Goodyear
NL Indonesia Goodyear
NM Italy Goodyear
NN Jamaica Goodyear
NP Mexico Goodyear
NT Peru Goodyear
NU Phillipines Goodyear
NV Scotland Goodyear
NW S. Africa Goodyear
NX Sweden Goodyear
NY Thailand Goodyear
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P2 Kentucky Kelly
P3 Sweden Skepplanda
P4 Ohio Kelly
P5 Mexico Genl Popo
P6 Oklahoma Kelly
P7 Chile Kelly
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P9 India MRF
PA Turkey Goodyear
PB Venezuela Goodyear
PC Alberta Goodyear
PD Quebec Goodyear
PE Ontario Goodyear
PF Ontario Goodyear
PG Ontario Goodyear2
PH Marland Kelly
PI Sweden Gislaved
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PK Illinois Kelly
PL Texas Kelly
PM Pennsylvania Kelly
PN Ohio Kelly
PP Ohio Kelly
PT Virgina Kelly
PU Alabama Kelly
PV Mississippi Kelly
PW California Kelly
PX Maine Kelly
PY Kansas Kelly
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T2 Poland Uniroyal
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T4 Belgium Carideng
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T6 Mexico Hulera Tornel
T7 Korea Hankook
T8 Malaysia Goodyear
T9 India MRF
TA Tennessee Kelly
TB Argentina Kelly
TC Australia Kelly
TD Australia Kelly
TE Brazil Kelly
TF Columbia Kelly
TH Congo Kelly
TJ England Kelly
TK France Kelly
TL Germany Kelly
TM Germany Kelly
TN Greece Kelly
TP Guatamala Kelly
TT Luxembourg Kelly
TU India Kelly
TV Indonesia Kelly
TW Italy Kelly
TX Jamaica Kelly
TY Mexico Kelly
U1 Taiwan Lien Shin
U2 Japan Sumitomo
U3 Yugoslavia Miloje Zakie
U4 Ohio Byers & Sons
U5 Germany Farbenfabrik
U6 Germany Pneumant
U7 Germany Pneumant
U8 Taiwan Nankang
U9 Mississippi Cooper
UA Peru Kelly
UB Phillipines Kelly
UC Scotland Kelly
UD S. Africa Kelly
UE Sweden Kelly
UF Thailand Kelly
UH Turkey Kelly
UJ Venezuela Kelly
UK Alberta Kelly
UL Quebec Kelly
UM Ontario Kelly
UN Ontario Kelly
UP Ohio Cooper
UT Texas Cooper
UU Pennsylvania Carlisle
UV Japan Kzowa
UW Japan Okada
UX Taiwan Tay Feng
UY Taiwan Cheng Shin
V1 Ohio Livingston's
V2 USSR Vsesojuznoe
V3 Taiwan Ta Hsin
V4 Japan Ohtsu
V5 Mexico Firestone
V6 Mexico Firestone
V7 USSR Vsesojuznoe
V8 Sweden Boras
V9 Massachusetts M & R Tire
VA Ohio Firestone
VB Ohio Firestone
VC Georgia Firestone
VD Illinois Firestone
VE Indiana Firestone
VF California Firestone
VH Tennessee Firestone
VJ Pennsylvania Firestone
VK California Firestone
VL Ontario Firestone
VM Alberta Firestone
VN Quebec Firestone
VP Italy Firestone
VT Spain Firestone
VU Pennsylvania Universal
VV Sweden Firestone
VW Japan Ohtsu
VX England Firestone
VY England Firestone
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W2 N. Carolina Firestone
W3 Netherlands Vredestein
W4 Australia Dunlop-Olympic
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W6 Phillipines Philtread
W7 Portugal Firestone
W8 Thailand Siam Tyre
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WA France Firestone
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WC Austria Firestone
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WF Spain Firestone
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WN Australia Olympic
WP Maryland Schenuit
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XT Germany Veith-Pirelli
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XX Iowa Bandag
XY Quebec Dayton
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YE Indiana Dayton
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The final three numbers denote when the tire was produced, with the first two indicating the week, and the last number indicating the year (064 indicates the tire was built in the 6th week of 1994).



How would a 2004 manufacture date be indicated?
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