BajaNomad - 7 pangas stolen in La Ribera last weekend

7 pangas stolen in La Ribera last weekend

Mengano - 12-6-2011 at 11:51 AM

Seven pangas with outboard motors were stolen in La Ribera last weekend. So far this year, there have been 17 pangas stolen there and 32 in the last two years.

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Oddjob - 12-6-2011 at 12:04 PM

They are probably moving them up to Popotla to restock the smuggling boats that have been lost at sea or seized by US Customs.

Loretana - 12-6-2011 at 01:42 PM

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Originally posted by Oddjob
They are probably moving them up to Popotla to restock the smuggling boats that have been lost at sea or seized by US Customs.

???? Who in their right mind would move stolen pangas on the highway through five roadblocks?
I can't imagine they would move them by sea around the tip of the Baja and up the west coast.

Those pangas are probably getting new paint jobs and headed east to the mainland.

surfer jim - 12-6-2011 at 01:55 PM

Time share/ R.E. salesmen trying to get out of town perhaps?

Dave - 12-6-2011 at 02:16 PM

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Originally posted by Loretana
???? Who in their right mind would move stolen pangas on the highway through five roadblocks?

The checkpoints are for drugs and weapons, and then only the small stuff. Large shipments pay the toll. The army doesn't care about pangas.

vacaenbaja - 12-6-2011 at 02:30 PM

How do the "chips" that were placed on the pangas not too long ago work?

mike odell - 12-6-2011 at 03:59 PM

These burrohats are no interested in the pangas, they have been dragging the
pangas off the beach at night, taking the motors and putting the boats adrift
or sinking them, right after the latest episode, 2 shrimper rapists were anchored
and one left rapidly to points unknown. Panga outboards are not really easy
to pull off a boat without a hoist Coincedental? I don't think so.
Pretty hard on the boy's here that work a long time to buy and equip their only
means of livelyhood

Udo - 12-6-2011 at 06:02 PM

Coincidentally, Mike; Stan Houck said to say hi and that he won't be coming to LB this Christmas because of illness.

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Originally posted by mike odell
These burrohats are no interested in the pangas, they have been dragging the
pangas off the beach at night, taking the motors and putting the boats adrift
or sinking them, right after the latest episode, 2 shrimper rapists were anchored
and one left rapidly to points unknown. Panga outboards are not really easy
to pull off a boat without a hoist Coincedental? I don't think so.
Pretty hard on the boy's here that work a long time to buy and equip their only
means of livelyhood

windgrrl - 12-6-2011 at 06:27 PM

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The coincidence of the arrival of those purse seine netters or whatever they are is just too coincidental relative to the missing gear. Pretty sad.

Hook - 12-6-2011 at 07:28 PM

How does a shrimper leave "rapidly"????

I agree that it is probably them. But it points to the lack of any means of enforcement on the water; be it criminal activity or conservation enforcement.

Where DOES all our license money go......................??????????

CaboRon - 12-7-2011 at 06:35 AM

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Originally posted by Hook
How does a shrimper leave "rapidly"????

I agree that it is probably them. But it points to the lack of any means of enforcement on the water; be it criminal activity or conservation enforcement.

Where DOES all our license money go......................??????????

Your money finds it's way into the pockets of mexican crooks. There is no enforcement, and not a care for conservation... and we musen't try and change that out of respect for the mexican people who have alowed this to continue ... they had a revolt and just handed the power to more corrupt politicians.

It's Tradition :lol:

BajaRat - 12-7-2011 at 10:12 AM

Are there similar losses close by or....

Why ?

bajadave1 - 12-7-2011 at 01:06 PM

why do they keep letting the shrimpers keep anchoring / overnighting anywhere in Las Palmas bay? wouldnt you think the locals would just board and take care of matters themselves? it's been going on way too long
:fire:

gnukid - 12-7-2011 at 05:00 PM

The navy has a fleet small planes that fly over the SOC regularly at night and early each morning and identify all ships and activities in the region, there are also navy ships that patrol and more that can be sent form nearby stations. There are also naval spotters on shore with night vision at various points and of course satellite radar and other systems to identify all traffic.

The question is what is happening in the case of these well organized thefts/destruction of resources and who has the resources to complete such an action without detection?

When looking at criminal behavior one question asked by investigators is who has the means and motive? Who benefits from harming local fisheries?

What are possible outcomes as a result of the theft/destruction of fishing pangas and motors.

Reduce food and economic independence of communities.
Require locals to purchase corporate fish and food products.
Destroy infrastructure of independent business.
Cause division and mistrust among communities.

Hook - 12-7-2011 at 06:58 PM

Arent those actually black helicopters the Mexican Navy flies each night? :lol:

Your tin foil hat must have blocked the most obvious motive, Gnukid..............making money on the black market from stolen outboards.

Just giving you a hard time in jest, amigo. But I think the reason is more like DESPERATE SHRIMPERS IN NEED OF INCOME IN THE FACE OF DECLINING STOCKS (their own doing) AND INCREASED COMPETITION FROM FARMING.

Osprey - 12-7-2011 at 07:21 PM

I'm right here at the heart of action and I think you are on to something Hook. 50% of Mexico's shrimp sales is from farms like those around Guymas. Makes perfect sense that when shrimpers can't find shrimp, they seine for profitable bycatch and steal anything they kind find and haul off in the dark. If you can figure it out, one would think the Government would have clear thinkers like you and act upon what makes sense.

Hook - 12-7-2011 at 07:55 PM

Over here, it can be difficult to find the wild stuff, especially after the first few months of the season. Granted, there are lots of farms over here.

slimshady - 12-7-2011 at 11:48 PM

How much longer are these fisherman going to be victims? They make it too easy for the crooks. It's not the first theft of an outboard in Bahia las Palmas. Theft after theft and they still don't learn. Maybe they should spend some change and put a GPS Pocket Finder or Live View GPS attached to the motor.

mike odell - 12-8-2011 at 12:41 AM

Cabo Las Vegas Ron; You are not in Baja, your opinions don't have merit.

Slimshady; Do you even know where La Ribera or Punta Arena is?
Bahia Las Palmas is not where the theft in this thread happened.
Furthermore If the pangeros who lost their lively hood had some EXTRA
CHANGE, They would most likely put more food on the family table since they
can't buy pocket gps or live view gps here In our Village or even La Paz
for that matter, wanna send some down? :fire:

Gnukid: What Hook said. plus I have a large roll of foil for hats I will give
you
,

Udo: Thanks for the heads up on big Stan, I will email him.

Mengano; The count was 6 not 7 :biggrin:

Bill Collector - 12-8-2011 at 07:06 AM

Mike
I couldn't have said it any better.
Barb

gnukid - 12-8-2011 at 07:38 AM

There is a simple logical question, what is the identity of the culprits who stole, dismantled or scuttled the pangas?

To answer this question requires critical thinking, not name calling and supposition.

It does often seem that logic is somewhat amiss in this arena, and that muddled thought flourishes which is an understandable result of a lack of logical and critical thinking.

The question about what is the identity of the culprits is important because it is important to our communities survival. It is possible to answer the question(s) using research and experience to validate answer the 5 Ws and H, or Who, What, Where, When Why and How and doing so would be the first step to helping our community survive, versus division, aggression and fighting among us.

Perhaps the answers we find may surprise us and are overwhelming at first, though it would be helpful if as a community we could put together a list of possible scenarios, motives, what ifs, discuss the process of removing all these pangas and logistics and begin to understand what we are up against in order to offer solutions to the problem.

Anybody?

Udo - 12-8-2011 at 07:42 AM

Try to use that logic with the local cops trying to find those thieves and see how far you get.

mtgoat666 - 12-8-2011 at 07:42 AM

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Originally posted by mike odell
Cabo Las Vegas Ron; You are not in Baja, your opinions don't have merit.

yes, ron, don't you know that only the provincials' opinions have merit! how audacious of you to express an opinion outside of your little neighborhood! don't you know your opinions don't have merit beyond your city limits!

of course, the same applies to mike odell -- one wonders how he can dare to express an opinion about ron, when mike odell's opinions have no merit north of geurrero negro!

[Edited on 12-8-2011 by mtgoat666]

gnukid - 12-8-2011 at 08:10 AM

Points to consider:

This is not an unsophisticated region, there is a highly organized presence of marines, navy, army, local, state and federal police. There is a fleet of small planes that do fly to cover the region daily and also vessels that patrol in addition to broad tools to identify movements such as satellite and radar. It is possible to understand the movements of vessels in the region.

Cabo is Cabo meaning the end, there is no place to go that can not be seen easily by road or by sea or by air. It's not possible to show up anywhere with these vessels or motors and not be detected by practically anyone, boats and motors have signatures (serial numbers) and must be registered, one can not move about in an unregistered panga.

Point is there are only a few possibilities here and all require vast resources to move these craft or to dismantle and scuttle or sink them. We may never know the answer but the possibilities shed light on what the community is up against.

Please, consider that your responses of frustration with aggression are not in any helpful to the community or yourself and do not lead toward the truth.

I personally do not know what happened, I am interested in finding out and I am interested in the sociology in society that presents itself in this manner, that is some portion are preying upon others. Those type of people that prey on others may be crazy and evil but they do have a goal and process and we need to understand it to compete and stop them.

Let's start using our minds to consider what is possible here, what is the possible identity and form of the culprits who are removing our pangas, and suspend personal attacks on each other in our extended community, instead let's work on methods to investigate and support an open dialogue that allow broad ideas, presented as something to consider, and try on, not as proven fact yet, but ideas worth considering and trying out in a didactic discussion.

What would it take to remove and scuttle pangas in the night, consider the weight, location, man power, how are motors removed, where could they could be, why and how?

[Edited on 12-8-2011 by gnukid]

Osprey - 12-8-2011 at 08:38 AM

Most people around here are informed and way ahead of you but it is still a daunting task.

With panga size boats you register the boat with the Port Captain. The motor is never registered so the only identifier would be if the owner could now give authorities the HP, the year and the serial number (which they probably do). That's why the boats are sunk, the motors stolen. The bigger motors would necessitate a boom or davit with a tackle block which points to the shrimpers. Lots of places on camarronera to hide motors. They sell the motors on the mainland when they go back over that way -- not very far = 130 miles or.

Cypress - 12-8-2011 at 08:43 AM

A shrimp boat has winches, booms, cutting tools etc. Would be no problem to lift an outboard motor aboard. Might have to drop some weight in the panga to sink it? Don't pangas have built-in flotation? Or, they could just place extra fuel on the panga and run it across to the mainland, about 150 miles. It's possible.

Osprey - 12-8-2011 at 08:55 AM

These are fiberglass launches (mostly ARCA) and they are very hard to sink. Two floatation chambers and keel-long and transverse PVC pipes give them great buoyancy.

bajabass - 12-8-2011 at 11:13 AM

Have any of the previously heisted motors or hulls ever shown up again??? Hulls washed up on the beach??? Motors found for sale??? Start checking all the boat and outboard shops between Cabo, and say, Santa Rosalia. How hard is it to re-register a "new" or "salvaged" hull?? These local pangueros need to start a night watch program among themselves. Do many gringo boats get stolen in the area as well?

gnukid - 12-8-2011 at 12:22 PM

You would need the power of a truck to push the boats in the water or pull them with a winch out toward a waiting large vessel. The boats could be tied in line and towed by a small boat, but the sound would be heard. I can hear motors in the night from far away and know when boats are being moved from quite a distance though if I recall it was high seas and windy so not possible for easy transit or launch in a panga.

These pangas would likely be low on fuel or have no tanks over night since they need to filled each day and so forth. so the boats likely would not move independently.

It's not possible to register a panga or sell most coop pangas easily in Mex as far as I have heard, the port captain is someone I know so I'll ask him. Maybe he'll tell me the truth.

So it appears there would be the requirement of a large support craft to remove the motors and not sure what could be done with the pangas.

I suppose it's possible that the motors are stolen and sold across the SOC by the large fishing fleets and there is the chance of finding the stolen motors there, now there have 20-40 motors so there must be some chance of identifying them and the presence of so many motors could be noticed.

At this rate its surprising there is not a constant watch out for thieves, though that is certainly not a fun job.

And where are the pangas?

bajabass - 12-8-2011 at 12:36 PM

A single panga with a quiet 4 stroke could tow 2, maybe 3 away at a time, so a couple pre-stolen pangas to haul them away, either to a large ship, or to a secluded beach. Onto trailers, or into a large cargo hold. Adios!!! A run to the mainland would be a problem of logistics and attrition. Watch those shrimpers for sure. Though night watches are not a fun job, no panga, no job at all!

Cypress - 12-8-2011 at 12:38 PM

Insurance thefts?

bajabass - 12-8-2011 at 12:44 PM

In the U.S., option one! Here, doubt they are insured, but I could be wrong. Probably too many players to keep quiet, word would leak out eventually.

BajaBruno - 12-8-2011 at 01:19 PM

The most effective means to keep high-value property from being stolen is to make it unsellable, usually by a serial number. This, however, requires a federal database (such as the U.S. NCIC database of stolen goods) that is accessible to all police departments in the country. I don't know if Mexico has such a system.

If, however, the states have a searchable database of boat registration numbers, then the boat owners could use an inexpensive stamping tool to stamp their registration numbers on the block of the engines, or maybe the lower unit. Both the block and lower unit are aluminum and should stamp easily.

I am making assumptions, of course, that port captains or law enforcement would check for the numbers and that the states have an enforceable law that makes it illegal to possess an item in which the identification number has been filed off. If the practice received some support and publicity in fishing communities, it might encourage the authorities to check the stamped number against the boat registration number and ask some questions if there were a disparity.

Either way, it is something simple and proactive that the boat owners could try and also that the foreign community could help with, rather than just b-tching about the awful state of affairs.

slimshady - 12-8-2011 at 04:54 PM

Mike, La Ribera is not in Bahia las Palmas? Really I think your idiot lashing out has thrown you into the troll line up. If you think mexicans in BCS are sitting there waiting for the handouts of generous Americanos and Canadianos then you are mistaken. Whether one choses to get $150 dollar GPS unit to attach to their boat which cost them $45,000 plus dollars is simply wise.

Just because you post, dosen't mean you know anything. Go away now.

slimshady - 12-8-2011 at 05:41 PM

All those motors from la ribera which which according to Mike which is not in the bay of palms, are probably sitting in evidence in San Diego County and Orange County. If the fisherman have copies of their engine paperwork with serial numbers perhaps we can have them run through law enforcement data bases such as NCIS. It might be difficult to gather up all the serial numbers, many if those engines end up washed up looking nothing like new and all painted black, but t least they may get them back.

tripledigitken - 12-8-2011 at 05:46 PM

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Originally posted by gnukid
The navy has a fleet small planes that fly over the SOC regularly at night

Are you sure of this? Where are they taking off and landing at night? The only planes I know off that fly at night over the SOC are the 210's that get ripped off at the Serenidad!!!

dtbushpilot - 12-8-2011 at 08:21 PM

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Originally posted by slimshady
Mike, La Ribera is not in Bahia las Palmas? Really I think your idiot lashing out has thrown you into the troll line up. If you think mexicans in BCS are sitting there waiting for the handouts of generous Americanos and Canadianos then you are mistaken. Whether one choses to get $150 dollar GPS unit to attach to their boat which cost them $45,000 plus dollars is simply wise.

Just because you post, dosen't mean you know anything. Go away now.

Well Mike, there you have it. Guess you'll be joining Jesse :lol:

Barry A. - 12-8-2011 at 08:38 PM

Who is "Mike"?? and which "post" is his???

Barry

dtbushpilot - 12-8-2011 at 08:48 PM

Go back to page 1 and catch up Barry. :yes:

slimshady - 12-8-2011 at 08:50 PM

Mike Odell from page 1 who claims he is from La Ribera on the East Cape however does not know the Bay of Palms or where it is. A troll uncovered!

Probably thinks San Quintín is a state prison.

slimshady - 12-8-2011 at 09:01 PM

From the looks of his website

latrinidadrvranchrestaurant.com

Seems like Mike Odell has a nice operation running a trailer park campground from Los Barriles. So I hope he pays his employees more than minimum wage and helps them put food on their dinner tables.

I have seen the signs for that trailer park but have never been there or known anyone who has. I am sure I won't going there either.

By the way Mikey you can get a pocketfinder gps for $150 dollars.

dtbushpilot - 12-8-2011 at 09:11 PM

Well, if you won't going, I won't going either.....that ought to teach that troll a lesson...

pangas stolen

eddie - 12-8-2011 at 09:47 PM

Mike's place is in La Riberia, I was their for music last week. Not in LB.
I haven't heard any of the mexican navy fly by at all [day or at night time]. I've been in Buena Vista for A month and half.
Yes the F''';gin shrimpers were out in front of our house for 3 days last week. :fire:

Eddie

slimshady - 12-8-2011 at 11:14 PM

Yeah your right it's in la ribera along that bay called bay of palms! Still have now reason to go there.

BajaRat - 12-8-2011 at 11:34 PM

Who stands to profit, follow the money it never fails. Sorry to hear all this bad news but the f n bad guys are right under ur nose. Don't name the players or you'll have to put your foil hat back on.

slimshady - 12-9-2011 at 07:23 AM

There are probably a few look outs working for the engine theives living along the bay watching where the boats are and who has each emgine. Once time passes and people become complacent and think the crime has passed, wham! they strike again.

Floatflyer - 12-9-2011 at 07:34 AM

It amazes me how many "experts" there are on this site. The pangas were stolen from the area south of the lighthouse, Punta Arena. IMO, this is not Bahia de Palmas. On the other hand, La Ribera could be considered on the south side of Bahia de Palmas. But according to the Baja Catch by Neil Kelly and Gene Kira, the area immediately north of the lighthouse and going to Los Frailes is called The Pulmo Shoals. But really, who gives a s--t?

Mike O'Dell was/is a building contactor that has built numerous beautiful homes in Rancho Leonero and La Ribera and probably other places I am not familiar with. His trailer park/restaurant is quite nice and he puts out dinners and now lunch that are well attended by many in the area.

So, try knowing what you talk about especially before you start dissing others. And by the way, this thread is about panga theft and this is not the first time nor probably the last time it will happen.

shari - 12-9-2011 at 07:56 AM

when the mexican government forced us all to have computer chips installed in our pangas...I understood this was to avoid this type of theft and to monitor the movements of all pangas.

Gnukid..can you please ask your amigo the port captain about how these chips work and why the stolen pangas cant be identified with these chips?
thank you sir.

Pacifico - 12-9-2011 at 08:28 AM

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Originally posted by Floatflyer
So, try knowing what you talk about especially before you start dissing others.

I fully agree Floatflyer! Remember that next time before you start sending nasty U2U's to people without having your facts straight....

gnukid - 12-9-2011 at 10:37 AM

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Originally posted by tripledigitken

Quote:

Originally posted by gnukid
The navy has a fleet small planes that fly over the SOC regularly at night

Are you sure of this? Where are they taking off and landing at night? The only planes I know off that fly at night over the SOC are the 210's that get ripped off at the Serenidad!!!

I don't profess to be an expert of the mexican military. I did have a room-mate who was a mexican navy pilot, sometimes I would drop him off early to work. The mexican navy that departs from an airport near La Paz Intl airport. The planes are small aerobatic type planes used for surveillance and fun, I am not sure what else. The planes can be observed daily.

The guys would get up very early and be back before 10am most often or so and say something like there is no war so we came home for breakfast.

There are various aircraft as well the base in La Paz near Marina La Paz and many other forms of operations, they have seals, commandos, divers of all sorts as well as the type that drop in and do a task and leave. Every sort, and massive communications networks up and down Baja.

There are parades, pictures, where you can see them in action and every day you can see them moving and doing exercises with highly sophisticated equipment and resources. Though there may be some sort of laws that restrict them from interacting with civil affairs?

Baja Sur is very narrow, and there is no crowd to hide out among, there are only a few travel corridors. But it's true the sea can be a good place to hide out.

slimshady - 12-9-2011 at 10:40 AM

Pocketfinder.com has a small gps unit for about 190 dollars and $12 a month for a tracker that is high temperture resistant and can be hidden in the motor. It can be hot wired or can be stored with a rechargeable battery. GPS tracking can be made by logging on to an IPhone or computer. A small price to pay. They may steal engines many times but all we need is one time to bring the operation to a halt.

As far as my opinion on that Mikey guy that thinks he knows baja more than me or Cabo Ron from Las Vegas based on a bajanomads boards thats speaks about his view of other people.

Just because one lives in baja doesn't really means they "know" baja.

bajalorena - 12-9-2011 at 11:59 AM

The ideal situation here would be that the fishermen/captains in the area that make an average of 3500 pesos a month would be able to buy a pocket gps costing 2500 pesos and then spend another 150 pesos a month monitoring it on the iphone or computer that I'm sure they all have.
Right...........
The economy problems have taken a big toll on these people, so this additional burden has them crushed.
The theft of pangas has been a problem here for a couple of years, not just La Ribera but also in BuenaVista and Los Barriles.
To offer a plausible solution I believe you should "know" the area, and what is realistic and what is not. I don't happen to have a solution to the problem, so will not offer one.

BTW, Mike, for as long as I have known you, I'm surprised to learn that your place is no longer in La Ribera, that you are in Los Barriles? When did you move? Must have been right after the last time I had dinner there. I guess unlike some others, I am not "in the know".

slimshady - 12-9-2011 at 12:44 PM

They may not have access to iphones or computers, however i am sure most of the fisherman know people who have access to some form of computer. It's not just mexican's getting their engines ripped off. I am sure everyone would pitch and grant access to a victim as soon as their $50,000 investment is no longer at it's mooring.

Saying their is no solution is giving up. This is what this forum is about and finding solutions that help people.

The solution is there. It may need help financially and logistically from A group like the Rotaries or a resort like the Palmas de Cortes who lost pangas last year.

Such thinking goes in line with people around the bay with million dollars homes who refuse to put alarms on their house because they don't want to spend the money or are clueless as to the criminals preying on the well to do. That's another subject.

I have Liveview gps on both my truck and boat so I am covered. A small price to pay for piece of mind.

choyero - 12-9-2011 at 01:04 PM

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Originally posted by slimshady
their $50,000 investment

you can't be serious, if you believe a commercial fisherman's panga cost $50k...you are definately not in the "know"

slimshady - 12-9-2011 at 02:36 PM

Yamaha engines are between 18000 and 25000, add on a 26 foot hull at 15000 plus, if you were in the know, you would know that it's the new 4 strokes they want and they are not cheap. The crooks are not taking older two strokes.

I am sure you can find a beat up panga for $5000.
Since its's the 4 strokes they want and discard the hulls, it is safe to say that you don't know.

sanquintinsince73 - 12-9-2011 at 02:47 PM

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Originally posted by slimshady
Yamaha engines are between 18000 and 25000, add on a 26 foot hull at 15000 plus, if you were in the know, you would know that it's the new 4 strokes they want and they are not cheap. The crooks are not taking older two strokes.

I am sure you can find a beat up panga for $5000.
Since its's the 4 strokes they want and discard the hulls, it is safe to say that you don't know.

Doesn't the government give these pangas to the fishermen? I know a lot of the pangeros in San Quintin, including my friends, were given their pangas by the government......engines included.

slimshady - 12-9-2011 at 03:12 PM

In Los Barriles I know of a few pangueros that own their own boat, work for an americano, or at least own half the boats they operate. They contract out of the hotels or run private.
I haven't really met any pangueros with government funded boats.
Here is a request from someone on los barriles who got his boat ripped offMy boat was stolen Sunday night 8/7/2011 from in front of Punta Colorada. It was a 23' parker center console with a 200HP Yamaha Outboard. It was white in color. No name is on the boat but on the side of the boat it said Parker. There was a another boat stolen with it. It was a 22' ProLine Center Console with a mercury outboard on it. It had a name of El Gallo. It also is white in color. There is a $1,000 reward for the return of the Parker boat. If there is any info please contact " Chuy" at Palmas de Cortes in august. It was posted to the Baja Pony Express.

Here it is
"My boat was stolen Sunday night 8/7/2011 from in front of Punta Colorada. It was a 23' parker center console with a 200HP Yamaha Outboard. It was white in color. No name is on the boat but on the side of the boat it said Parker. There was a another boat stolen with it. It was a 22' ProLine Center Console with a mercury outboard on it. It had a name of El Gallo. It also is white in color. There is a $1,000 reward for the return of the Parker boat. If there is any info please contact " Chuy" at Palmas de Cortes.
-Kurt

Choyero and Mikey, Mexican fisherman, Cheap boats? gov't? No not really. Get better info next time.

choyero - 12-9-2011 at 03:13 PM

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Your right, I forgot that the commercial guys run panga's that are equipped with 225hp yamaha 4 strokes.
:rolleyes:

they actually run 50-70hp outboards that cost $6k in the states, they are considerabley cheaper bought through the fishing coop. I believe thyey run about $50k pesos through the coop.

[Edited on 12-9-2011 by choyero]

slimshady - 12-9-2011 at 03:47 PM

Yea, bait fisherman run those in their aged aluminum boats. Sounds like you pangueros where your at need to upgrade in hp to super 26 pangas. They are typically running 150 hp yamahas 4 strokes.

If you can score me a new 26 foot super panga with at least 150-200 hp for that with the extras, hook me up.

And if you know anything about boats then you would know its $100 per hp and that what you pay for a new boat is not what you will get if you sell it.

We can discuss the price of a panga all day, just havent met anyone with a panga with that size outboard on a 23 or 26 footers.

slimshady - 12-9-2011 at 04:03 PM

Regardless this isnt about trolling the message boards and critically hanging word for word what someone is thinking and what exactly he means like if the piece of crap panga with the 1982 yamaha two stroke is worth so much compared to what a 2011 4 stroke is worth on a new super 26 panga.

It's about people getting their stuff ripped off and trying to prevent it with viable solutions short of hiring a guard to sit in your boat while it's moored.

It's about catching the bad guys!

Make it hard to be another victim.

choyero - 12-9-2011 at 04:04 PM

We are comparing this years apples to yesteryear's oranges.

You are stating new fully decked out super panga prices.

I am stating beat to death bare bones commercial pangas with new outboards.

I know the $100/HP deal, but I have only used that as a rule of thumb for smaller used outboards.

Every commercial panga in this area runs a 70hp or under. All are bare bones that feature a manual pull start and tiller.

Curious what Shari's people are using up that away.

I am with you on the super panga for the prices I am stating for a commercial panga. I could go down right now and pick up a used 23' commercial panga hull for under $3000. A fully equiped super panga hull would run almost 10x that!

choyero - 12-9-2011 at 04:10 PM

The best solution is a .50 cal sniper rifle with an infared scope.

Hook - 12-9-2011 at 04:12 PM

Dudn't seem to matter what the subject is, lately. Everything turns into turtle soup............. :wow:

slimshady - 12-9-2011 at 04:14 PM

I always thought perhaps shotgun slugs through the hull of the shrimpers as they haul their nightly catch of yamahas across the cortes would be better.

Yeah, we can agree on that one, amigo.

choyero - 12-9-2011 at 04:17 PM

probably the best way to sink a shrimper is to throw a 5 gallon bullet of rust dissolver on it.

slimshady - 12-9-2011 at 04:23 PM

Hahahahahah! I think those are held together with bondo and duct tape.

Cypress - 12-9-2011 at 04:25 PM

You think those shrimpers are unarmed? They're armed. Well armed. If you go banging away at 'em, you'll regret it.

choyero - 12-9-2011 at 04:33 PM

The only banging away going on around here is with a single shot "pee" shooter, given that guns are prohibited.