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Canada urging caution to Mexico-bound Canadians

Mengano - 1-28-2012 at 01:00 PM

Dangers await in Mexico, Canada's Foreign Affairs department is warning travelers.

Government websites are awash with warnings for those looking to head south on vacation, saying it’s entirely possible they’ll find violence instead.

It’s advised Canadians headed south “exercise a high degree of caution due to a deteriorating security situation in many parts of the country.”

The government’s travel advice and advisories website says “high levels of criminal activity, as well as occasional demonstrations and protests, remain a concern throughout the country.”

Those who insist on going to Mexico are recommended to travel by air rather than crossing the border on the ground, as that area is a cause for particular concern.

“Shootouts, attacks, and illegal roadblocks may occur at any time,” says the website.

“Criminals especially target SUVs and full-size pickup trucks for theft and carjacking along highways in the states of Nuevo León, Tamaulipas, Baja California, Chihuahua, Coahuila, Durango, Sonora, and Sinaloa.”

The effect of violence on the psyche of Canadians has begun showing and more have grown hesitant to venture there, says one local travel agent.

“There’s lots of people that come in here and say no — I’d rather not go to Mexico,” said Trevor Holmen, who works with Aero Travel.

http://www.calgarysun.com/2012/01/27/feds-urging-caution-to-...

LaTijereta - 1-28-2012 at 02:06 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by Mengano
Dangers await in Mexico, Canada's Foreign Affairs department is warning travelers.

“Shootouts, attacks, and illegal roadblocks may occur at any time,” says the website.

http://www.calgarysun.com/2012/01/27/feds-urging-caution-to-...


I got in a "shot-out" last night with a Canadian at Vic's Bar here in Loreto...I think we were working with Cuervo Traditional:cool:

Just to err on the SAFE side-CLOSE the Border

MrBillM - 1-28-2012 at 08:29 PM

Between the U.S. and Canada.

Save those Canuckials from the consequences of poor judgment.

It's our Brotherly duty to save those who speak [Almost] the same language as we do.

Let the Frog-Canucks through, though. They deserve whatever they get.

Another fear-based Mengano thread

Ken Cooke - 1-28-2012 at 09:25 PM

:!:

David K - 1-28-2012 at 09:34 PM

Heck, if they make it across the wild west of America to the Mexican border... then there is nothing that should scare them! You ever been in L.A. in the night???:o

Barry A. - 1-28-2012 at 11:33 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by Ken Cooke

Another fear-based post by Mengano.

:!:


"fear based"??? Hmmmmmmmmm, don't think so, Ken.

When I was a cop, I was not afraid, but I certainly wanted to know what I was gettin into before I sallied forth, if possible. It is called "fore-warned, is fore-armed", or something like that.

I view all of Mengano's posts this way. :light: and you can take them, or leave them------your choice.

Barry

[Edited on 1-29-2012 by Barry A.]

paranewbi - 1-29-2012 at 05:22 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by Barry A.
Quote:
Originally posted by Ken Cooke

Another fear-based post by Mengano.

:!:


"fear based"??? Hmmmmmmmmm, don't think so, Ken.

When I was a cop, I was not afraid, but I certainly wanted to know what I was gettin into before I sallied forth, if possible. It is called "fore-warned, is fore-armed", or something like that.

I view all of Mengano's posts this way. :light: and you can take them, or leave them------your choice.

Barry

[Edited on 1-29-2012 by Barry A.]



LET SEE....
DROVE to Nicaragua during the height of the Reagon Wars (oh those terrible Sandinistas!), surfed my brains our with best buddy, met people who's hospitality even in their poverty were the best I ever met, have memories that I fall asleep to every night.
DROVE to El Salvador during the height of the Reagon Wars ...conclusion, same as above.
DROVE to Guatemala pre armistice (probably over all those mass graves that the 'good guys' buried those nasty, scary, people in) and fell in love with the people (still visit friends we made there).
Put over 200,000 miles in Central America and Mexico since the '70's with women, babies , children riding shotgun. Camped on remote beaches in those locations (up to and soon after this day).
I think I'll leave them, Barry A

One thing I don't do...is read the paper in this country. Probably wouldn't leave my house.

El Salvador 75 b.JPG - 41kB

paranewbi - 1-29-2012 at 05:24 AM

PS...

I'm the white guy with the frizzy hair...conseguence of no bathing for three months...surfing keeps you clean.
The skinny guy is my buddy...we'd average a loss of 30 pounds each over that time because the 'good' troops the US backed were destroying all the crops and deficating in the wells. Yeah us.

astrobaja - 1-29-2012 at 01:02 PM

Blah blah f-ing blah the Canadian Harper gov't is a full of chite as the Yank gov't with its warnings!

Lets see enough Canadians are murdered while traveling to the US, do you see travel adviseries not to go? Of course not!

Yet another pointless Fulano post

Mengano - 1-29-2012 at 01:39 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by astrobaja
Blah blah f-ing blah the Canadian Harper gov't is a full of chite as the Yank gov't with its warnings!

Lets see enough Canadians are murdered while traveling to the US, do you see travel adviseries not to go? Of course not!

Yet another pointless Fulano post


So says the man who operates a rental retreat business in Baja. Shouldn't people in your business be required to put a disclaimer after your comments? It may be important for people reading here to understand that the opinion you express on safety in Baja has a personal financial motivation behind it.

Just saying.

SFandH - 1-29-2012 at 01:50 PM

The silver lining in the dark cloud is that there are more choice spots for us RVers. But still enough of us to have the company of others and the safety in numbers. BTW, last fall the majority of non-Mexican license plates I saw at the RV spots were Canadian.

Can't wait to get south again!

Ken Cooke - 1-29-2012 at 02:35 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by Mengano
So says the man who operates a rental retreat business in Baja. Shouldn't people in your business be required to put a disclaimer after your comments? It may be important for people reading here to understand that the opinion you express on safety in Baja has a personal financial motivation behind it.

Just saying.


The Sierra San Pedro Martir region has some great 4 wheeling and areas for adventure. I have lots of great memories there. Here are a few pictures to share.

The parking lot behind El Palomar after dinner. Anyone know the status of the Rolls Royce parked behind there? Anyway, Dan and Andrew (RIP) langhing it up.


Dan observing weathered camp furniture.


SEMARNAP Ranger Emigdio Chacon standing next to my tired junk.


Loading my immobilized Ford Ranger on Desert Bull's borrowed trailer.


The Observatory road near AstroBaja's cabins (before it was paved)

jack - 1-29-2012 at 05:54 PM

I personally feel that once you get past Ensenada things are pretty safe on the Baja. I would think twice about flying or RV'ing down the mainland. My experience with US news sources is that they don't report much world events unless it directly affects the US. For those of you who don't know, within the last month or so a Canadian retiree was killed in Malaque, a Canadian girl and her boyfriend were killed near Hautulco, and just last week a Canadian girl was almost beat to death in an elevator of a resort hotel in Mazatlan. So Mexico has been on the news quite a bit up here in Canada. Many Canadians have canceled Mexico and picked alternate locations for their winter holidays this year.

I'm not sure if I spelt the Mexican cities correctly so go easy on me, I don't have time to look them up.

motoged - 1-29-2012 at 06:30 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by jack
I personally feel that once you get past Ensenada things are pretty safe on the Baja....I'm not sure if I spelt the Mexican cities correctly so go easy on me, I don't have time to look them up.


Jack,
Too much motorcycling and camping along Bahia Concepcion seems to have caused some brain-rot :biggrin::biggrin:

You were doing fine until it came to "spelting"....

tripledigitken - 1-29-2012 at 07:07 PM

The warnings are having an effect, judging from the lack of gringos on our trip south 2 weeks ago.

Ken

Assuming the WORST ................

MrBillM - 1-29-2012 at 08:31 PM

Or, Best, depending on the View:

IF A few-thousand Canuckials were lost in Mexico (highly Improbable), WHAT would be the Downside ?

Seriously.

I've wracked my Brain giving the question weighty thought and haven't been able to answer that.

HELP !

It WOULD reduce the stress on the Canuckian Socialist-System.

Well, maybe not, since those traveling are probably making money.

Of course, if they make that money dealing Drugs, like most mowed down Down South, their loss would be a gain, I guess.

Wouldn't it ?

Another Riddle within an Enigma wrapped in a Conundrum.

posts by fulano are so predictable!

mtgoat666 - 1-29-2012 at 08:51 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by Mengano
Quote:
Originally posted by astrobaja
Blah blah f-ing blah the Canadian Harper gov't is a full of chite as the Yank gov't with its warnings!

Lets see enough Canadians are murdered while traveling to the US, do you see travel adviseries not to go? Of course not!

Yet another pointless Fulano post


So says the man who operates a rental retreat business in Baja. Shouldn't people in your business be required to put a disclaimer after your comments? It may be important for people reading here to understand that the opinion you express on safety in Baja has a personal financial motivation behind it.

Just saying.


so says "fulano."

nuff said!

shouldn't posts by fulano come with a disclaimer? perhaps a discalimer like "warning! this post by manic depressive who hates mexico!"

[Edited on 1-30-2012 by mtgoat666]

Ken Cooke - 1-29-2012 at 09:19 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by David K
You ever been in L.A. in the night???:o


As a matter of fact, yes!



Eddie Santiago kept the women screaming throughout his set!


:oChicas BONITAS!:yes:


DOWNTOWN L.A. ROCKS! DavidK is clueless:?:

Posts by goat are so predictable

KaceyJ - 1-29-2012 at 09:34 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by mtgoat666
Quote:
Originally posted by Mengano
Quote:
Originally posted by astrobaja
Blah blah f-ing blah the Canadian Harper gov't is a full of chite as the Yank gov't with its warnings!

Lets see enough Canadians are murdered while traveling to the US, do you see travel adviseries not to go? Of course not!

Yet another pointless Fulano post


So says the man who operates a rental retreat business in Baja. Shouldn't people in your business be required to put a disclaimer after your comments? It may be important for people reading here to understand that the opinion you express on safety in Baja has a personal financial motivation behind it.

Just saying.


so says "fulano."

nuff said!

shouldn't posts by fulano come with a disclaimer? perhaps a discalimer like "warning! this post by manic depressive who hates mexico!"

[Edited on 1-30-2012 by mtgoat666]





NO!

Boy , you are so wrong.

Not Enough Said!

I don't know "goat" . For someone who is purportedly so educated as your suppos-ed self , maybe you should get out a little more often and experience the real world.

People have a right to know

People have a right to info. Whether it's a State Department notification or someone on a pertinant message board posting beware of all the finger crooking that goes on, ad naseum , from would be B&B operators only to find out later , in a state of nolo contendre, that they got their wife and kids into a heap of steaming mierda they would never be able to dream of.

You got to know what you're doing down here and what's going on at all times. If you are not an aware person, it won't work for you.

You can verbally paint the picture any way you like but Baja isn't all fun and games

Just my 2cents :dudette:

watizname - 1-29-2012 at 09:49 PM

I don't know about any of this stuff, but Ken Cooke seems to always have a lineup of nice looking ladies in his posts. :yes:

Barry A. - 1-29-2012 at 09:57 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by watizname
I don't know about any of this stuff, but Ken Cooke seems to always have a lineup of nice looking ladies in his posts. :yes:


:lol::lol::lol::lol::lol:

Yes, he does!!!!!! and that is a GOOD thing. :yes:

(sorta like Pompano) :O

barry

Bajafun777 - 1-29-2012 at 09:57 PM

I think we all get it when 50,000 people have been killed due to war among the cartels, government cracking down, people taking advantage of the fighting to do more hostile actions towards others also. However, most of us would still let the urges to get traveling in Mexico overcome the risks or fears no matter what. Too many bad things that can happen ever day no matter where you are, so you either step up and enjoy life or get into a corner and worry yourself to an early grave.
My wife and I have traveled by vehicle all over Baja and numerous times to Maztalan and Puerto Vallarte over the past 8 years without any real problems, instead we have found very helpful people in times of vehicle problems that occur at the most unwelcomed times. Paranewbi, surprised you did not visit Costa Rica since you were so close and we really loved it. Still have to do the other Central American Countries sometime soon, as friends keep telling me all of the good beaches and adventures worth doing.
Now, one thing I do know is nobody can not say Ken is not a risk taker or party seeker as his pictures along with his topics demonstrate this time and time again. Ken probably is the party we just all have not experienced yet,LOL. Keep traveling and having FUN my baja brother. Everyone else knows nomads just cannot contain themselves in living the simple life in USA we crave the Vida Loca, Hmmmmm???? LOL Take Care & Travel Safe----"No Hurry, No Worry, Just FUN" bajafun777

Ken Cooke - 1-29-2012 at 10:05 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by watizname
I don't know about any of this stuff, but Ken Cooke seems to always have a lineup of nice looking ladies in his posts. :yes:


Just proving that Los Angeles is a nice place full of smiling, happy people!

Partying with new friends at The Conga Room at L.A. Live outside of the Staples Center - Downtown Los Angeles.

paranewbi - 1-30-2012 at 08:27 AM

Wait Bajafun777!
I have been to Costa Rica but I left it out of the citations as it is exactly as you say...in land and people!
Although danger can occur anywhere...if your looking over your shoulder all the time while in Costa Rica, you might as well go home and sit on the toilet.
The only time I felt threatened in Central America, ever, was in 1976 at the Nicarauquan Border where the capitan would not allow a backpacker hitching a ride with us to cross if he didn't cut his long hair! We slept the night right there hoping the morning crew would be more lenient, yet they weren't. The lad went back north. We all have our priorities I guess.
If you observe me and my dreadlocked short hair in my photo (whitest guy) then this may have been the case of a wise border capitan.

Bajafun777 - 2-1-2012 at 11:56 PM

Now paranewbi, I bet you also have some very colorful and interesting photos from those secluded beaches down in Central America during those times you were down there too, right??LOL

Hawaii has some very nice beaches but Costa Rica had some very nice ones too!! We won't talk about all of the secluded beaches and possible photos taken there or Ken will be calling us out to show them if we have them,LOL. Now, no nomads here would have secluded beach photos that might be a little----Well colorful right? Ah, Life was easier back in the 1970s and 80s,Hmmm??? LOL Take Care & Travel Safe---"No Hurry, No Worry, Just FUN" bajafun777

Oh...okay Mengano aka Fulano

mcfez - 2-2-2012 at 08:46 AM

Yes.....let's all hide.


http://travel.state.gov/travel/cis_pa_tw/pa/pa_1766.html

Travel Alerts are issued to disseminate information about short-term conditions, either transnational or within a particular country, that pose significant risks to the security of U.S. citizens. Natural disasters, terrorist attacks, coups, anniversaries of terrorist events, election-related demonstrations or violence, and high-profile events such as international conferences or regional sports events are examples of conditions that might generate a Travel Alert.

Bahrain 01/23/2012
Tunisia 01/13/2012
Philippines 12/22/2011
Senegal 12/12/2011
South Pacific Cyclone Season 12/12/2011
Egypt 11/07/2011
India - Potential Terrorism 10/18/2011
Japan 10/07/2011


Quote:
Originally posted by Mengano
Dangers await in Mexico, Canada's Foreign Affairs department is warning travelers.

Government websites are awash with warnings for those looking to head south on vacation, saying it’s entirely possible they’ll find violence instead.

It’s advised Canadians headed south “exercise a high degree of caution due to a deteriorating security situation in many parts of the country.”

The government’s travel advice and advisories website says “high levels of criminal activity, as well as occasional demonstrations and protests, remain a concern throughout the country.”

Those who insist on going to Mexico are recommended to travel by air rather than crossing the border on the ground, as that area is a cause for particular concern.

“Shootouts, attacks, and illegal roadblocks may occur at any time,” says the website.

“Criminals especially target SUVs and full-size pickup trucks for theft and carjacking along highways in the states of Nuevo León, Tamaulipas, Baja California, Chihuahua, Coahuila, Durango, Sonora, and Sinaloa.”

The effect of violence on the psyche of Canadians has begun showing and more have grown hesitant to venture there, says one local travel agent.

“There’s lots of people that come in here and say no — I’d rather not go to Mexico,” said Trevor Holmen, who works with Aero Travel.

http://www.calgarysun.com/2012/01/27/feds-urging-caution-to-...

Mengano - 2-2-2012 at 09:16 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by mcfez
Yes.....let's all hide.


http://travel.state.gov/travel/cis_pa_tw/pa/pa_1766.html

Travel Alerts are issued to disseminate information about short-term conditions, either transnational or within a particular country, that pose significant risks to the security of U.S. citizens. Natural disasters, terrorist attacks, coups, anniversaries of terrorist events, election-related demonstrations or violence, and high-profile events such as international conferences or regional sports events are examples of conditions that might generate a Travel Alert.

Bahrain 01/23/2012
Tunisia 01/13/2012
Philippines 12/22/2011
Senegal 12/12/2011
South Pacific Cyclone Season 12/12/2011
Egypt 11/07/2011
India - Potential Terrorism 10/18/2011
Japan 10/07/2011


What do those alerts have to do with Baja?

mcfez - 2-2-2012 at 09:24 AM

Simple: all countries including the ol' USA has issues. Let's not paint Baja with Black and white paint....then call that a picture.

It does have colors.

How you doing Mengano AKA Fulano?


Quote:
Originally posted by Mengano
Quote:
Originally posted by mcfez
Yes.....let's all hide.


http://travel.state.gov/travel/cis_pa_tw/pa/pa_1766.html

Travel Alerts are issued to disseminate information about short-term conditions, either transnational or within a particular country, that pose significant risks to the security of U.S. citizens. Natural disasters, terrorist attacks, coups, anniversaries of terrorist events, election-related demonstrations or violence, and high-profile events such as international conferences or regional sports events are examples of conditions that might generate a Travel Alert.

Bahrain 01/23/2012
Tunisia 01/13/2012
Philippines 12/22/2011
Senegal 12/12/2011
South Pacific Cyclone Season 12/12/2011
Egypt 11/07/2011
India - Potential Terrorism 10/18/2011
Japan 10/07/2011


What do those alerts have to do with Baja?


[Edited on 2-2-2012 by mcfez]