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1757 Jesuit Map, a closer look.

David K - 2-28-2012 at 11:26 PM

The map made from information gatherd on the peninsula about 10 years earlier and drawn by Venegas who never set foot on the peninsula.

A few errors and three mission labled as 'started' that led to lost mission stories.



South half:



North half:



Zoom in south to north:



Shown are the missions of Dolores del Sur (at the La Pasion site), La Paz (which was moved to Todos Santos in 1748), Santiago, Santa Rosa (shown on the wrong side of Baja because Venegas confused it with the visita of San Jose named Santa Rosa), and San Jose (del Cabo).



In the top left corner of the above zoom-in map note the mission of San Juan Bautista 'started' (Emp.)... This is the lost Santa Clara mission near Punta Abreojos. Also note the 1746 eruption of the Tres Virgenes volcano listed on the map. In 1747, San Ignacio was the furthest north mission. See also the missions of Guadalupe, Santa Rosalia de Mulege, La Purisima Concepcion, San Jose de Comondu, Loerto, San Francisco Javier, San Luis Gonzaga.



Dolores del Norte was an early name for the mission that would become Santa Gertrudis

Northeast of there, closer to Bahia de los Angeles is the 'started' mission of Santa Maria Magdalena (which was never established, but we checked out some ruins discovered in 1966 that some believe could have been that 'started' mission! http://vivabaja.com/109

Placenames born on this map include San Felipe, Punta San Fermin, Bahia San Luis Gonzaga, Punta Remedios, Bahia de los Angeles, Bahia San Rafael...

[Edited on 2-29-2012 by David K]

Vince - 2-29-2012 at 09:43 AM

A lot of great history packed into that map when you study it. I didn't realize the town of Caborca is so old. Thanks, David.

David K - 2-29-2012 at 10:14 AM

Yah, Mexico is old... 'Old Mexico', they used to say!

You will see a lot of the word 'Aguage' along the coast north of Mulege, that indicates a water source... important to anyone and specially sailors.

One aguage the Jesuits named 'Santa Isabel' between Punta San Fermin (near today's Puertecitos) and San Luis Gonzaga is what led lost mission hunters to seek the lost mission of Santa Isabel in this region!

We Nomads did, last years! http://forums.bajanomad.com/viewthread.php?tid=52696

vandenberg - 2-29-2012 at 10:54 AM

Thanks DK.

David K - 2-29-2012 at 10:56 AM

Maps are a window 'back in time'... Any area of Baja you would like to see on old maps, just let me know and if I have it, I will share it!

cjesme - 2-29-2012 at 11:05 AM

Amazing maps! Just found a name for my upcoming foul...COCHIMIE!

bufeo - 2-29-2012 at 11:22 AM

Love 'em, David K. Thanks for posting them. I love old maps, especially those of areas we frequent.

Allen R

David K - 3-7-2012 at 06:08 PM

Missions shown on the map would seem to be showing Baja in 1747:

South to North:

San Jose (del Cabo)
Santa Rosa (Todos Santos), (shown on the wrong side of the sierra).
Santiago
La Paz (moved to Todos Santos in 1748)
Dolores del Sur (at La Pasion/ Chilla since 1741)
San Luis Gonzaga
San Francisco Javier
Loreto
San Jose de Comondu
La Purisima Concepcion
Santa Rosalia (de Mulege)
Guadalupe
San Ignacio

Then there are the three 'started' missions beyond San Ignacio in 1747 on the map:

San Juan Bautista (The Lost Santa Clara Mission)
Dolores del Norte (became Santa Gertrudis in 1751)
Santa Maria Magdalena (abandoned site near Bahia las Animas, discovered in 1966, revisited in 2009).

The mission at Ligui/ Malibat (San Juan Bautista) was abandoned in 1721 and is not shown.

Udo - 3-7-2012 at 06:38 PM

I'm jealous of the time you have to find out all the HISTORY, DK!

Thank God for your work, or most of us would remain ignorant, and never know all this until after we die.

David K - 3-8-2012 at 06:49 PM

I thank you Udo... but I do need some work/ employment or I become history!

Baja

El Vergel - 3-15-2012 at 08:32 PM

Very, very interesting, David! Thank you!

David K - 5-8-2012 at 11:17 PM

De nada!

Blair - 5-9-2012 at 04:55 AM

Thanks david, very interesting. I've shared your website with others outside of this group and it has generated a lot of discussion on future trips. Our prior discussion on Guajademi led to our exploring that area last month and it was the highlight of our trip!

Map

John M - 5-9-2012 at 05:16 AM

What is the source of this map David, from what publication?

David K - 5-9-2012 at 10:20 AM

Engelhardt 1929

Another source for the 1757 map...

David K - 11-1-2012 at 12:54 PM

The same Venegas map, but maybe a better copy for Nomad viewing?






Now with the missions on the map spelled out next to where they are on the map:


South to North: San José del Cabo, Santa Rosa de las Palmas, Santiago, Pilar de la Paz, Los Dolores (del Sur), San Luis Gonzaga, San Francisco Javier (Xavier), Loreto, San José de Comondú, La Purísima Concepción, Santa Roaslía de Mulegé, Guadalupe (de Huasinapí), San Ignacio. Beyond San Ignacio and shown as 'started': San Juan Bustista (Santa Clara lost mission), Dolores del Norte (became Santa Gertrudis), and Santa María Magdalena (another lost mission, maybe was found?: http://vivabaja.com/109 )

A high resolution zoomable 1757 map is located at the bottom of our book's web site: http://oldmissions.com

BajaBruno - 11-1-2012 at 10:10 PM

As an English Lit grad student many years ago I was studying symbolism in European maps and my professor directed me to the Getty Museum. They have lots and lots of original obscure maps in their collections that can be examined. You might give them a call for an afternoon of digging through their reserves if you want to look at the source documents.

David K - 11-1-2012 at 10:22 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by BajaBruno
As an English Lit grad student many years ago I was studying symbolism in European maps and my professor directed me to the Getty Museum. They have lots and lots of original obscure maps in their collections that can be examined. You might give them a call for an afternoon of digging through their reserves if you want to look at the source documents.


That would be very cool indeed! I could take the Amtrak up from Oceanside! Thanks Chris...

durrelllrobert - 11-2-2012 at 08:37 AM

Also note the 1746 eruption of the Tres Virgenes volcano listed on the map
Always wondered when this happened. By the way for us do-it-yoursefers you can further zoom in on the maps (or anything else) by holding down the trl key and hitting the + sign.

Vince - 11-2-2012 at 11:40 AM

I notice there is an island in the middle of Bahia Conception at the southern end. We often fish or dive on the reef locals call "roca frijole", in the same place, maybe that was an island when the map was made. Also, San Marcos island was called Galapagos. All very interesting.

Historic Maps

academicanarchist - 11-3-2012 at 08:52 AM

Good morning David. It has been a while, but I am connected again. The Library of Congress has through its map and geography room a large collection of digitized high resolution maps, including one of Baja California from the 1720s. I have used LOC maps in a number of my publications, particularly my 2005 book on missions. You can do a keyword search at this link
http://memory.loc.gov/ammem/gmdquery.html

David K - 11-3-2012 at 12:09 PM

Awesome!

academicanarchist - 11-3-2012 at 02:34 PM

David. It is a French map based on Kino that shows California as an Island. Here is the link.
http://memory.loc.gov/cgi-bin/query/D?gmd:1:./temp/~ammem_6y...
There is also an 1823 map that shows Mexican California. You told me that you have seen it, but here is the LOC link
http://memory.loc.gov/cgi-bin/query/D?gmd:2:./temp/~ammem_Sq...

GregN - 11-8-2012 at 09:11 AM

Hi David. That's also the map we chose for background on the cover of Baja Legends.