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Pemex prices

john - 3-15-2012 at 07:35 AM

What is the price of fuel in Baja at the moment? Thanks

larryC - 3-15-2012 at 07:36 AM

Yesterday in Guerro Negro Diesel was 10.09 pesos a litre. Don't know about gasoline.
Larry

unbob - 3-15-2012 at 08:20 AM

Same price ($10.09 per liter diesel) here in LP 2 days ago.

So, given today's exchange rate that would be $3.01 usd per gallon.

Bob and Susan - 3-15-2012 at 08:26 AM

yesterday my factura shows i paid
$2.91 usa a gallon for regular gas

karenintx - 3-15-2012 at 08:50 AM

Yesterday in CSL = 2.89 usa per gallon for regular gas.

BajaGeoff - 3-15-2012 at 11:42 AM

Just updated our page yesterday...

Baja Gas Prices

[Edited on 3-15-2012 by BajaGeoff]

Bajahowodd - 3-15-2012 at 04:23 PM

Forgive me for having a chuckle about this thread, but....

Given that Mexico controls the price of fuel, and it is virtually always cheaper than one would pay NOB, why would anyone care about the price of Pemex?

If you are traveling Baja, or mainland, you obviously need to buy the stuff. And since there is government control, with the exception of certain known stations that game their pumps and should be avoided, you will pay the same price wherever you stop.

That said, in the US, where there are no price controls, the recent spike in gasoline prices has nothing to do with supply and demand. The rise in prices is simply related to rogue speculators, who have no stake in the fuel business, just playing the market for profit.

A recent Bloomberg article suggests that one third of today's current cost for crude is due to speculators.

http://www.businessweek.com/articles/2012-03-07/have-oil-spe...

DENNIS - 3-15-2012 at 04:36 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by Bajahowodd
Given that Mexico controls the price of fuel, and it is virtually always cheaper than one would pay NOB, why would anyone care about the price of Pemex?



:lol::lol: Probably for the same reason that I still wear a watch. Inquiring minds...and all that stuff.

SFandH - 3-15-2012 at 06:33 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by Bajahowodd
why would anyone care about the price of Pemex?


Maybe they want to know how much it costs to drive someplace.


[Edited on 3-16-2012 by SFandH]

Mula - 3-15-2012 at 06:37 PM

It's that it is gov't regulated and the same all over the whole country. (except for the rateros who specialize in overcharging/underfilling)

It doesn't fluctuate like in the good ole US of A.

generubin - 3-15-2012 at 10:01 PM

Let's nationalize USA oil (they are mostly taking oil from our public lands anyway) use the profits for health and education and at the same time lowering gas to $2.75 and diesel to $2.89. Those oil companies pay no taxes in the USA, are heavily subsidized by the taxpayer. Take a lesson from Mexico for once!

ncampion - 3-16-2012 at 07:28 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by generubin
Let's nationalize USA oil (they are mostly taking oil from our public lands anyway) use the profits for health and education and at the same time lowering gas to $2.75 and diesel to $2.89. Those oil companies pay no taxes in the USA, are heavily subsidized by the taxpayer. Take a lesson from Mexico for once!


Oh yeah, the government always does things in the most efficient, cost effective manner!!!!!!!!!!!!

BajaRun - 3-16-2012 at 11:07 AM

On Monday 3-12 I filled up in San Felipe Magna was 9.60/liter..Stopped again in Mexicali to top off before crossing the border Magna was 10.00/liter..

Mula - 3-16-2012 at 11:13 AM

I think in the larger cities there is a local tax. I noticed a higher price in TJ, too.

I always fill up in Ensenada to avoid that extra cost.

bajalou - 3-16-2012 at 12:00 PM

Pemex prices within 20K of the border have been higher than the rest for many years.

Bajahowodd - 3-16-2012 at 04:35 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by generubin
Let's nationalize USA oil (they are mostly taking oil from our public lands anyway) use the profits for health and education and at the same time lowering gas to $2.75 and diesel to $2.89. Those oil companies pay no taxes in the USA, are heavily subsidized by the taxpayer. Take a lesson from Mexico for once!


First, for Bajalou. Although there is a national price control on Pemex, the border regions have some slack, simply because they want to discourage Americans from crossing the border just to buy gas.

That said, right now, there is absolutely no shortage of crude or of refined gasoline in the US.

Fact is that this past year, the US exported a boatload of petroleum to foreign customers.

We are caught in a situation where crude prices and refined prices are being manipulated by "gamblers" on Wall Street for their own personal profit.

Anyone who followed the proposed Keystone pipeline project that was nixed by Obama ought to know that this Canada to Texas pipeline was designed to ship crude from Canada to Texas, where either refined or not, it was to be shipped to foreign markets. None of that Canadian crude was earmarked to the US market.

Enjoy!:P

SFandH - 3-17-2012 at 05:54 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by David K

American crude to American refineries... watch the gas prices (and everything else) drop! Drill baby, drill... We can say no to Middle East and Venezuela oil!:light:


No, no, no, no Mr. Sunshine. I mean, Hayzeus Creesto, ya got it all bass ackwards.

Here ya go:

After declining to levels not seen since the 1940s, U.S. crude production began rising again in 2009. Drilling rigs have rushed into the nation's oil fields, suggesting a surge in domestic crude is on the horizon.

The number of rigs in U.S. oil fields has more than quad­rupled in the past three years to 1,272, according to the Baker Hughes rig count. Including those in natural gas fields, the United States now has more rigs at work than the entire rest of the world.

"It's staggering," said Marshall Adkins, who directs energy research for the financial services firm Raymond James. "If we continue growing anywhere near that pace and keep squeezing demand out of the system, that puts you in a world where we are not importing oil in 10 years."


So you see, oil production has been increasing since 2009 and so have gas prices!!! And, because of the recession, we're burning less of the stuff in our cars and trucks.

Supply up (good ole US supply to boot), demand down, and we have higher prices at the pump. It can't be!!

Clearly we need to shut down oil production and increase demand to bring gas prices back down. (that's a joke folks)

Or, maybe there's a bit more to the oil business than "spill baby spill" oops I mean, well you know.

http://www.chron.com/business/article/U-S-oil-gusher-blows-o...

[Edited on 3-17-2012 by SFandH]

Bob and Susan - 3-17-2012 at 06:12 AM

sfandh maybe correct...if we dont use oil the price will drop

of course the country would go bankrupt if we didnt buy BIG 50k cars

but you NEED to add in smog laws and fines to saving gas use savings

the new "oil free" technnology need to be used but used by our companies already in place

it will take decades

baja1943 - 3-17-2012 at 06:43 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by David K
Quote:
Originally posted by Bajahowodd
Quote:
Originally posted by generubin
Let's nationalize USA oil (they are mostly taking oil from our public lands anyway) use the profits for health and education and at the same time lowering gas to $2.75 and diesel to $2.89. Those oil companies pay no taxes in the USA, are heavily subsidized by the taxpayer. Take a lesson from Mexico for once!


First, for Bajalou. Although there is a national price control on Pemex, the border regions have some slack, simply because they want to discourage Americans from crossing the border just to buy gas.

That said, right now, there is absolutely no shortage of crude or of refined gasoline in the US.

Fact is that this past year, the US exported a boatload of petroleum to foreign customers.

We are caught in a situation where crude prices and refined prices are being manipulated by "gamblers" on Wall Street for their own personal profit.

Anyone who followed the proposed Keystone pipeline project that was nixed by Obama ought to know that this Canada to Texas pipeline was designed to ship crude from Canada to Texas, where either refined or not, it was to be shipped to foreign markets. None of that Canadian crude was earmarked to the US market.

Enjoy!:P


The Rest of the Story...

The massive oil fields discovered in North Dakota would be tapping into the Keystone Pipeline for a SAFE transport to American refineries in Texas.

To be sent overseas. Over 60% of fuel refined in the US goes abroad in order to create a shortage here and drive up prices

David K - 3-17-2012 at 10:18 AM

Are you suggesting some kind of change so that domestic oil is to stay in America?

Isn't part of our problem with cost of oil being high because the dollar has lost value with us being owned by the Red Chinese? Doesn't selling U.S. products (oil included) offset our trade inbalance? If we become a major exporter of oil (again), doesn't that make the dollar stronger and thus reduce the price of oil?

I know that when the dollar is worth more in Mexico the price of Pemex goes down.

It isn't an easy fix, but when supply goes up, the price goes down. We have discovered so much oil in North Dakota, it isn't funny, it's for real. The time for America to come back from the past 5 years of gloom is now. We need jobs, we need prosperity... we don't need more and more people on food stamps!

Ateo - 3-17-2012 at 10:27 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by SFandH
Quote:
Originally posted by David K

American crude to American refineries... watch the gas prices (and everything else) drop! Drill baby, drill... We can say no to Middle East and Venezuela oil!:light:


No, no, no, no Mr. Sunshine. I mean, Hayzeus Creesto, ya got it all bass ackwards.

Here ya go:

After declining to levels not seen since the 1940s, U.S. crude production began rising again in 2009. Drilling rigs have rushed into the nation's oil fields, suggesting a surge in domestic crude is on the horizon.

The number of rigs in U.S. oil fields has more than quad­rupled in the past three years to 1,272, according to the Baker Hughes rig count. Including those in natural gas fields, the United States now has more rigs at work than the entire rest of the world.

"It's staggering," said Marshall Adkins, who directs energy research for the financial services firm Raymond James. "If we continue growing anywhere near that pace and keep squeezing demand out of the system, that puts you in a world where we are not importing oil in 10 years."


So you see, oil production has been increasing since 2009 and so have gas prices!!! And, because of the recession, we're burning less of the stuff in our cars and trucks.

Supply up (good ole US supply to boot), demand down, and we have higher prices at the pump. It can't be!!

Clearly we need to shut down oil production and increase demand to bring gas prices back down. (that's a joke folks)

Or, maybe there's a bit more to the oil business than "spill baby spill" oops I mean, well you know.

http://www.chron.com/business/article/U-S-oil-gusher-blows-o...

[Edited on 3-17-2012 by SFandH]


YOU are EXACTLY CORRECT!!!! No BS, just the facts.

mtgoat666 - 3-17-2012 at 10:28 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by David K
Are you suggesting some kind of change so that domestic oil is to stay in America?

Isn't part of our problem with cost of oil being high because the dollar has lost value with us being owned by the Red Chinese? Doesn't selling U.S. products (oil included) offset our trade inbalance? If we become a major exporter of oil (again), doesn't that make the dollar stronger and thus reduce the price of oil?

I know that when the dollar is worth more in Mexico the price of Pemex goes down.

It isn't an easy fix, but when supply goes up, the price goes down. We have discovered so much oil in North Dakota, it isn't funny, it's for real. The time for America to come back from the past 5 years of gloom is now. We need jobs, we need prosperity... we don't need more and more people on food stamps!


the nonsustainable reality is we got 4.5 percent of worlds population but we use 20 percent of worlds oil production. we produce 9 percent of worlds oil but use 20 percent of worlds oil production.

gringos are energy pigs. selfish, nonsustainable enrgy use! repent ye energy sinners!

David K - 3-17-2012 at 10:32 AM

Yah and we 'pigs' FEED the world... So sad that your kind of thinking comes from the public schools and liberal colleges, instead of real life.

Oddjob - 3-17-2012 at 10:33 AM

Quote:
the nonsustainable reality is we got 4.5 percent of worlds population but we use 20 percent of worlds oil production. we produce 9 percent of worlds oil but use 20 percent of worlds oil production.

gringos are energy pigs. selfish, nonsustainable enrgy use! repent ye energy sinners!



Don't worry goat, soon China and India will pass the US in consumption. Keep on beating your broken drum.

mtgoat666 - 3-17-2012 at 11:00 AM

Quote:
Quote:
Originally posted by Oddjob
the nonsustainable reality is we got 4.5 percent of worlds population but we use 20 percent of worlds oil production. we produce 9 percent of worlds oil but use 20 percent of worlds oil production.

gringos are energy pigs. selfish, nonsustainable enrgy use! repent ye energy sinners!



Don't worry goat, soon China and India will pass the US in consumption. Keep on beating your broken drum.


then maybe you should encourage your local planners to foster mass transit and roads better suited for bicycles! i am in shape and can ride my bike when gasoline hits $10/gallon, are you????? i am not an energy pig, so don't blame me!

[Edited on 3-17-2012 by mtgoat666]

SFandH - 3-17-2012 at 11:34 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by David K
Isn't part of our problem with cost of oil being high because the dollar has lost value with us being owned by the Red Chinese? Doesn't selling U.S. products (oil included) offset our trade inbalance? If we become a major exporter of oil (again), doesn't that make the dollar stronger and thus reduce the price of oil?


There is a thread in the off topic section that explains why oil has shot up in price.

It's the same gamblers who have nothing to do with the oil business, again using financial derivatives, oil futures in this case, that drove up the gas prices in summer 2008. I think they were higher then than they are now. Speculative futures trading is an artificial market that has the effect of increasing demand and therefore prices.

Money for nothin' and chicks for free

http://forums.bajanomad.com/viewthread.php?tid=58909


[Edited on 3-17-2012 by SFandH]

David K - 3-17-2012 at 12:38 PM

Yah, sad that we can't solve all our problems right here on Baja Nomad, then go get some fish tacos and a cold Pacifico, and call it a day!

Bajahowodd - 3-17-2012 at 03:52 PM

I didn't see it mentioned on this thread, but fact is that all the Pemex gasoline you buy in BC is refined in Texas.

Fact is that the international oil folks don't give a culo de raton about what Americans have to sacrifice to drive to work, school and stores.

Just wanted to mention about DK's post about Dakota crude.... Simple fact is that the Canadian crude that was destined for the Keystone pipeline was all going abroad.

Wall Street speculators make their very good living from screwing around with oil futures, for personal profit. I read that currently just about $.55 per gallon is directly the result of those speculators.

However, I just read a story that could be a game changer, other than the Obama administration cracking down on speculators who have nothing to do with the petroleum process.

Ford, in Europe has developed a three cylinder vehicle, that according to reports has amazing horsepower, and gets 50mpg on the highway. They will be selling it as a Ford Focus in Europe very soon. Perhaps the US in a year or two.

Cypress - 3-17-2012 at 04:03 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by Bajahowodd
Ford, in Europe has developed a three cylinder vehicle, that according to reports has amazing horsepower, and gets 50mpg on the highway. They will be selling it as a Ford Focus in Europe very soon. Perhaps the US in a year or two.


They re-invented the Yugo?:biggrin: Maybe Obama and crew will ride off into the sunset on/in 'em.:biggrin:

Bajahowodd - 3-17-2012 at 04:08 PM

Nope, amigo. This will be a well-recognized Focus.;)

DavidE - 3-17-2012 at 08:29 PM

Wanna treat?
Try adding half a bottle of Chevron TECHRON to a tank of Magna, then to every sixth or seventh tank after that. Whatever Magna is missing the Techron boost fills in for it. Time after time, I gain 15% fuel mileage (same pump. same gasolinera, over a period of three years). Danged stuff is amazing. The way Chevron recommends dosing, it is 16 times as strong as what the refinery puts in (according to what a Chevron tech adviser told me). Every other additive I've tried in the last fifty years has been mouse-milk.

Bob and Susan - 3-18-2012 at 06:18 AM

newer cars and trucks are equiped with computers that adjust the fuel mix to maximize the mileage....

additives are a waste of money

in fact buying mid-grade or premium is a waste too UNLESS the manufacture says to use it

just extra profit for the oil company

people "love" their cars and "love" to feed them the "best"
its just a marketing "gimmilk"

David K - 3-18-2012 at 12:35 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by Bob and Susan
newer cars and trucks are equiped with computers that adjust the fuel mix to maximize the mileage....

additives are a waste of money

in fact buying mid-grade or premium is a waste too UNLESS the manufacture says to use it

just extra profit for the oil company

people "love" their cars and "love" to feed them the "best"
its just a marketing "gimmilk"


I believe this is true... in trying to boost the mileage of my 2010 V-6 Tacoma, I had just changed the plugs (at 30,000 miles), put in a new air filter, and added a bottle of Techron... No change.

What did improve my mileage:
*Tires on the high side, but not over the max. pressure.
*Stop using ARCO and COSTCO gas, they both have more ethynol than others, it seems. The more pure the gasoline, the better your mileage. The best mileage I ever recorded was using Pemex (no ethynol).
*Try and keep below 2000 RPM, and if possible use the highways and not city streets (stop and goes are the worst).

City: 15-16 mpg
Comb: 16-17 mpg
Hwy: 17-20 mpg (keeping to 65 mph with no load in bed is best)... On Pemex, with a load, and going well over 65 much of the ways, I got 19.2 mpg from El Rosario to San Diego, including the border wait.

Bajahowodd - 3-18-2012 at 04:35 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by David K
Are you suggesting some kind of change so that domestic oil is to stay in America?

Isn't part of our problem with cost of oil being high because the dollar has lost value with us being owned by the Red Chinese? Doesn't selling U.S. products (oil included) offset our trade inbalance? If we become a major exporter of oil (again), doesn't that make the dollar stronger and thus reduce the price of oil?

I know that when the dollar is worth more in Mexico the price of Pemex goes down.

It isn't an easy fix, but when supply goes up, the price goes down. We have discovered so much oil in North Dakota, it isn't funny, it's for real. The time for America to come back from the past 5 years of gloom is now. We need jobs, we need prosperity... we don't need more and more people on food stamps!


"Red Chinese".:lol::lol: How anachronistic can you get?

The simple fact is that the petroleum market IS international. Prices are often artificially impacted by speculators.

But, if we all of a sudden became the most petroleum rich country on the planet, it would have little effect on pump prices. Because the corporations would continue to sell its product to the highest bidder.

Just as the Keystone project was design to ship petroleum to Texas for shipment offshore, and so much of our Alaskan crude is shipped to Asia, the simple fact is that we must develop alternatives as well as much more efficient vehicles.

With gas selling for $8-$10 dollars a gallon in Europe, you might note that they learned to cope with smaller cars, public transportation, Etc.

I just noted that as a result of the Gulf spill and its liability, BP will be selling its ARCO refinery in SoCal as well as its retail stations.

Just reminds me of what Big Oil has become. If you recall, the original ARCO was the combination of Richfield on the West coast and Atlantic on the East coast.

So many fewer players and those few players are in an international market.

Any idiot running for office this year claiming to retsore $2.50 per gallon gas is delusional or a flat out liar.

Unless massive changes are made by federal law, we will continue to be hostage to Big Oil and its cronies.

David K - 3-18-2012 at 05:12 PM

I prefer Big Oil to Big Government, any day!

Big Oil provides a product I want and need... but I can not buy from Big Oil if I choose. Oil is needed for plastic, and show me a plastic free anything, anymore.

Big Government hinders free enterprise, takes more profit from gasoline sales than Big Oil (while producing none), and takes money from me no matter what I choose.