BajaNomad - WATCH OUT FOR RATTLERS

WATCH OUT FOR RATTLERS

DENNIS - 5-24-2012 at 12:31 PM

Seems to be a lot of Rattle Snake activity this year. Just heard my dog fussing about something and I looked out the door and she was staring down a two footer.....right by the door. Worst part was, this guy didn't have a rattle.
NoNoNo....can't have that.

Bob and Susan - 5-24-2012 at 12:37 PM

that was a gopher snake...safe as a chicken

DENNIS - 5-24-2012 at 12:43 PM

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Originally posted by Bob and Susan
that was a gopher snake...safe as a chicken

Not this one. I know the difference.

Bob and Susan - 5-24-2012 at 12:44 PM

i ran over this guy twice on monday and he STILL slithered away...

snak.jpg - 44kB

Ken Cooke - 5-24-2012 at 01:11 PM

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Originally posted by DENNIS

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Originally posted by Bob and Susan
that was a gopher snake...safe as a chicken

Not this one. I know the difference.

How do we know that you know?? :?:

DENNIS - 5-24-2012 at 01:23 PM

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Originally posted by Ken Cooke
How do we know that you know?? :?:

C'mon over and slither around my yard for a few minutes and I'll show you. :lol:

desertcpl - 5-24-2012 at 02:12 PM

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Originally posted by DENNIS

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Originally posted by Bob and Susan
that was a gopher snake...safe as a chicken

Not this one. I know the difference.

Yea Yea Yada Yada.. :lol:

Mula - 5-24-2012 at 02:20 PM

There are rattle-less rattlers in Coyote. Manuel killed one at the Villa 2 or 3 weeks ago - so they are making their way off Isla Carmen and so it might be.

DavidE - 5-24-2012 at 02:33 PM

I know for a fact they can swim a couple of kilometers, so how much more can they go by sea is anyone's guess.

Bob and Susan - 5-24-2012 at 02:41 PM

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Originally posted by Mula
There are rattle-less rattlers in Coyote. Manuel killed one at the Villa 2 or 3 weeks ago - so they are making their way off Isla Carmen and so it might be.

where is the snake expert

i NEVER heard of a rattle-less rattler

thats why they call them rattle snakes...they HAVE a rattle :light:

Mula - 5-24-2012 at 02:46 PM

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=suL2qKo8phs

Sorry - had the island wrong. Santa Catalina not Carmen.

Mula - 5-24-2012 at 02:50 PM

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rattleless_rattlesnake

desertcpl - 5-24-2012 at 02:53 PM

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Originally posted by Mula
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rattleless_rattlesnake

well blow my over

Mula - 5-24-2012 at 02:55 PM

Nice to learn something new every day.

Especially about an area you live in.

Keeps you young!

DENNIS - 5-24-2012 at 03:04 PM

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Originally posted by Bob and Susan
i NEVER heard of a rattle-less rattler
thats why they call them rattle snakes...they HAVE a rattle :light:

"Can a rattlesnake lose its rattle?

Yes. The rattle is made up of rings of shed skin - when the snake sheds, part of the old skin is retained on the tip of the tail, forming another section of the rattle. These are quite brittle, and can be broken off - this is one reason why you cannot accurately judge the age of a rattler by the size of its rattle.

Source(s):
I used to be a zookeeper, where I looked after numerous snakes, and have kept and studied them for years."

ElCap - 5-24-2012 at 03:20 PM

We were hiking around on Isla Catalina a number of years ago - really huge barrel cactus and other cool stuff there. I kept asking my wife - "did you hear that?", and when she said "hear what?", I told her about the rattleless rattlesnakes that are endemic to the island. We ended the hike early.

Bajamatic - 5-24-2012 at 03:55 PM

where's skeet? We need our resident authority on Darwinism and the delicate balance of nature.

[Edited on 5-24-2012 by Bajamatic]

Bob and Susan - 5-24-2012 at 04:07 PM

sooo...this is ONE snake on an island that is called a rattlesnake with out a rattle...

dennis... do you live on that island?

gopher snake!!!

Mula - 5-24-2012 at 04:28 PM

Talking about rattlesnakes . . . got lots around the place in San Nicolas, but didn't figure to see many in Lopez - and just now one crawled out of a dead palm and crossed the street!

Only scorpions we've seen here I think we brought with us from San Nic.

edm1 - 5-24-2012 at 04:54 PM

" . . . to put a Hoe, a Shovel on it about 6 Inches from its Head and press aganist the Ground. Then With your left hand grip the Snake . . ."

With 6 inches, can't the snake turn its head back to your hand? :-)

Scary moments!!

thebajarunner - 5-24-2012 at 05:55 PM

This is budding season at our big commercial nursery. Our pairs of budder/tiers crawl down the rows and bud selected varieties onto the peach rooted stock.
A good team can do several thousand per day, we bud over a million each season.
So, what does this have to do with rattlers??
Well, so far this season our brave budding folk have come up close and personal with two rattlers, each season the average is three encounters.
And folks, I am talking close, like inches in front of you there they are. No bites as yet, but plenty of heart stoppage, I can assure you.
All our crew is Hispanic, we have some very pale faces at moments.

By the way, read Skeet's recipe.
They say snake tastes like chicken.
So, I say cook the snake, then toss it in the dumper and go get some chicken....

Marc - 5-24-2012 at 06:35 PM

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Originally posted by Skeet/Loreto
No! It takes more room to tur around and get his Fangs into you. I fyou are concerned put the Hoe or Shovel up aganist the head and grip just behind.

Just hire a hoe and let her do it.

1bobo - 5-24-2012 at 06:54 PM

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Originally posted by lencho

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Originally posted by Skeet/Loreto
Skeeter is Here/!!! Rattlesnakes are Fantastic!!

If at all possible pleasew take care of the Rattlers and you can enjoy some Great meals!!

Honestly, Skeet-- how many have you really eaten? I've tried a couple, and decided I'd have to be pretty hungry to actually seek one out for food: all those tiny bones... :rolleyes:

Maybe I need to find fatter snakes. :coolup:

Depends upon how it's cooked. As with fish, if you cook it too long, the bones will dislodge; just right and the meat will flake off. Reminds me of frog.

bajadogs - 5-24-2012 at 07:53 PM

Evolution at it's finest. Almost as cool as legless lizards.

bajafam - 5-24-2012 at 08:33 PM

Rattlesnake does taste good. I used to work at the Hole in the Wall in Phoenix and we served it deep fried with the skeleton as a garnish. It was a big hit with the tourists, and pretty tasty too

snakes

captkw - 5-24-2012 at 09:16 PM

HOLA< I used to see a lot of them..not much the past couple winter's and yes they can be rattleless and The smaller ones are the most danger...remeber that they can not hear..but sense ground vibs,,so walk HEAVY !! and they are more scared of you..than you should be scared of them...How would you feel if you were this lil 3 ft snake and a 190lb thing,,towering tall walked near you ?? sh-t I'd be scared,,sorta and if biten, I suggest do what the nat geo recommend's and not cut/hack at the bite ,but take the spark from any avaible motor ign wire to/at the bite a zapp it !!yep that's has been the best/most reconized treatment the world over for a few years now and most folk's do not know it..but you might induce heart flutter..YEEK !!

woody with a view - 5-24-2012 at 09:18 PM

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Originally posted by Marc

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Originally posted by Skeet/Loreto
No! It takes more room to tur around and get his Fangs into you. I fyou are concerned put the Hoe or Shovel up aganist the head and grip just behind.

Just hire a hoe and let her do it.

post of the day! one fish taco shall be provided by BajaNomad! :light:

Skeet/Loreto - 5-25-2012 at 06:27 AM

As a youngster living about 6 miles South of Sweetwater Texas there was daily contact with Rattlers.

In the Town of Sweetwater Rattlesnake was served at several of the Restruants. Also you can get it Canned from two or three different places.

Just be carefull when handling them. Always have a Snakebit kit in your pocket. Especially around the Rim above Agua Verde and Tambechi.

If some of you in the Baja Area would like a new Experience, Try skinning them, tanning the skins and selling them to a place in Farmers Branch Texas for around $10 a Foot,

Skeet

durrelllrobert - 5-25-2012 at 08:26 AM

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[quote I suggest do what the nat geo recommend's and not cut/hack at the bite ,but take the spark from any avaible motor ign wire to/at the bite a zapp it !!yep that's has been the best/most reconized treatment the world over for a few years now and most folk's do not know it..but you might induce heart flutter..YEEK !!

I remember hiking up the south fork of the Kern river years ago and coming across an open tackle box, about 5 miles off the highway. Sure enough, in addition to a lot of trout lures, it contained a used snake bite kit and an automotive coil ignition wire.

thebajarunner - 5-25-2012 at 08:43 AM

Backpacker Magazine this month has two pages on the topic of post-bite action.

They have only four steps you should do:

1. Remove all jewelry, etc that will be in areas that will swell
2. Wash the wound. THAT'S ALL!!!!!!
3. Keep wound at heart level
4. Get to a hospital ASAP

I would add a # 5- put away the bite kit, the coil wire, and the sharpened blade. You will just complicate matters...

snakebite

captkw - 5-25-2012 at 10:55 PM

Hola,, about ohhh!! hell I dont remember,,, but I spent a lot of time and energy on finding what was/is the best for snake bites (rattle) and found in my indepth reserch that a high voltage applied to the bite was the best in almost all cases and study's..The old make a H cute and suck the blood/venom lead to deadly infection and the ignition voltage affected the poison makeup as to alter the bad affect's in most cases and is recommend by nat geo..I have no reason to bs on this.. as I do SAR with the US C.G. and I train myself for a lot of outdoor med/sur/truama/shock/hypothremo...I also have seen deadly water snakes in costa rico while running dive trips on my boat's (scrary) I know its sounds weird,but you might look into it..ignition stop snake bite poison affect. K&T :cool:

captkw - 5-25-2012 at 11:04 PM

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Originally posted by captkw
Hola,, about ohhh!! hell I dont remember,,, but I spent a lot of time and energy on finding what was/is the best for snake bites (rattle) and found in my indepth reserch that a high voltage applied to the bite was the best in almost all cases and study's..The old make a H cute and suck the blood/venom lead to deadly infection and the ignition voltage affected the poison makeup as to alter the bad affect's in most cases and is recommend by nat geo..I have no reason to bs on this.. as I do SAR with the US C.G. and I train myself for a lot of outdoor med/sur/truama/shock/hypothremo...I also have seen deadly water snakes in costa rico while running dive trips on my boat's (scrary) I know its sounds weird,but you might look into it..ignition stop snake bite poison affect. K&T :cool:

OOPPPSS !!

captkw - 5-25-2012 at 11:09 PM

anyway,ya,,I just went and punched in " ignition stop snake bite poison" and the info is RIGHT THERE !! when I'm guiding folk's,,I do my homework !! and no one has been hurt or lost yet,,with me !! K & T :cool:

chuckie - 5-26-2012 at 04:39 AM

Chicken tastes like rattlesnake...

Skeet/Loreto - 5-26-2012 at 07:36 AM

Be very careful!

Remember that many times you will not be close to your Vehicle.

Care a razor in you Snakebit kit incase you have to cut a small around where the Fangs went in and then Suck ou the Posion out with your Mouth or the Suction Cup if you have the right Kit.
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Floatflyer - 5-26-2012 at 07:54 AM

"Care a razor in you Snakebite kit" and the world is flat.

From Wikipedia:

Outmoded
Old style snake bite kit that should not be used.The following treatments have all been recommended at one time or another, but are now considered to be ineffective or outright dangerous. Many cases in which such treatments appear to work are in fact the result of dry bites.

Application of a tourniquet to the bitten limb is generally not recommended. There is no convincing evidence that it is an effective first aid tool as ordinarily applied.[39] Tourniquets have been found to be completely ineffective in the treatment of Crotalus durissus bites,[40] but some positive results have been seen with properly applied tourniquets for cobra venom in the Philippines.[41] Uninformed tourniquet use is dangerous, since reducing or cutting off circulation can lead to gangrene, which can be fatal.[39] The use of a compression bandage is generally as effective, and much safer.
Cutting open the bitten area, an action often taken prior to suction, is not recommended since it causes further damage and increases the risk of infection.
Sucking out venom, either by mouth or with a pump, does not work and may harm the affected area directly.[42] Suction started after 3 minutes removes a clinically insignificant quantity—less than one thousandth of the venom injected—as shown in a human study.[43] In a study with pigs, suction not only caused no improvement but led to necrosis in the suctioned area.[44] Suctioning by mouth presents a risk of further poisoning through the mouth's mucous tissues.[45] The well-meaning family member or friend may also release bacteria into the victim's wound, leading to infection.
Immersion in warm water or sour milk, followed by the application of snake-stones (also known as la Pierre Noire), which are believed to draw off the poison in much the way a sponge soaks up water.
Application of potassium permanganate.
Use of electroshock therapy. Although still advocated by some, animal testing has shown this treatment to be useless and potentially dangerous.[46][47][48][49]
In extreme cases, where the victims were in remote areas, all of these misguided attempts at treatment have resulted in injuries far worse than an otherwise mild to moderate snakebite. In worst case scenarios, thoroughly constricting tourniquets have been applied to bitten limbs, completely shutting off blood flow to the area. By the time the victims finally reached appropriate medical facilities their limbs had to be amputated.

Skeet- stick to advising on peso profiteering

thebajarunner - 5-26-2012 at 08:09 AM

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Originally posted by Skeet/Loreto
Be very careful!

Remember that many times you will not be close to your Vehicle.

Care a razor in you Snakebit kit incase you have to cut a small around where the Fangs went in and then Suck ou the Posion out with your Mouth or the Suction Cup if you have the right Kit.
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Your explanation of cornering the market on pesos ranks right alongside this piece of timely advice..... NOT.....

high voltage electroshock therapy for snake bites

mtgoat666 - 5-26-2012 at 08:09 AM

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Originally posted by captkw
I have no reason to bs on this.. as I do SAR with the US C.G. and I train myself for a lot of outdoor med/sur/truama/shock/hypothremo...

if i am ever in need of SAR, i hope you are not on the SAR team!!

mtgoat666 - 5-26-2012 at 08:11 AM

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Originally posted by thebajarunner

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Your explanation of cornering the market on pesos ranks right alongside this piece of timely advice..... NOT.....

...or just amputate the bitten limb, problem solved!!!!!!!

Skeet/Loreto - 5-26-2012 at 08:51 AM

Oh! Well To each his own.

Sorry if I may have told the Truth about how we treated Snakebites as a kid in and around Sweetwater Texas, The Rattle Snake Capitol of the World, just trying to Help for those younger People who depend so much on "A 911 Call will take care of my problems.

Baja Runner
So many of the Younger Generation does not have the Training or the Ability to make a little extra Money getting all of that good Interest from some of the Accounts during a Devaluation, Oh! well they can always depend on the Govt. to take care of them.

Snake bite story (possibly Apocraphyl)

thebajarunner - 5-26-2012 at 09:04 AM

Two old cowboys, best pals for years, out on the range, sit on a log for a rest and rattler sneaks up and bites one ol boy right between the legs- most vulnerable spot a snake could bite.

The other ol boy saddles up, rides back to town as hard as he can ride- runs into the doctor's office, tells the doc the bad news, doc shakes his head and says "Got a big emergency and cannot help- but here is what you do.... ride back real quick, take this scalpel, make a small "x" cut and suck out the venom"

Ol boy rides back, pal is now lying on the ground clutching his throbbing part in agony and gasps, "Quick, what did the doc say?"

Other ol boy looks down, sadly shakes his head and sez, "Doc says you are gonna die"

get a grip

captkw - 5-26-2012 at 09:51 AM

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Originally posted by mtgoat666

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Originally posted by captkw
I have no reason to bs on this.. as I do SAR with the US C.G. and I train myself for a lot of outdoor med/sur/truama/shock/hypothremo...

if i am ever in need of SAR, i hope you are not on the SAR team!!

### so far no one else has come up with a good antisnake bite relieve on this thread, except to seek medical help..which not going to happen in the bush/desert/moutain's..so I'll go with the ignition spark..as I have read enough good reports on the result's..K & W :cool:

J.P. - 5-26-2012 at 09:58 AM

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Originally posted by mtgoat666

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Originally posted by thebajarunner

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Your explanation of cornering the market on pesos ranks right alongside this piece of timely advice..... NOT.....

...or just amputate the bitten limb, problem solved!!!!!!!

That method of sucking the Posion went out with high button shoes . I f the person Sucking the Venom has bad teeth they are subject to die before the person that was bit.

Barry A. - 5-26-2012 at 10:13 AM

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Originally posted by J.P.

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Originally posted by mtgoat666

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Originally posted by thebajarunner

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Your explanation of cornering the market on pesos ranks right alongside this piece of timely advice..... NOT.....

...or just amputate the bitten limb, problem solved!!!!!!!

That method of sucking the Posion went out with high button shoes . I f the person Sucking the Venom has bad teeth they are subject to die before the person that was bit.

Well, not quite. We as EMT's were still carrying "suction cups" around in our Snake Bite Kits 16 years ago (when I retired)------but you are right in that it is NOT the recommended action today I understand.

Barry

bacquito - 5-26-2012 at 11:15 AM

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Originally posted by Mula
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rattleless_rattlesnake

Good information-also they are critically endangered!
Thanks for the information

David K - 5-26-2012 at 12:45 PM

In the movie 'Bajo California', Arce placed cut cactus pads against Damian's bite to draw out the venom.

Cypress - 5-26-2012 at 02:26 PM

Those little rattle snakes? :yes:

Ever seen a big cotton mouth? He'll get your undivided attention.

Skeet/Loreto - 5-26-2012 at 02:37 PM

For me the Cotton Mouth Moccison is the most Dangerous to come in contact with. If you know about them Please be Carefull!!
Another snake is the "Coach Whip" which can actually "Whip you if you get close enough. All snakes should be handles with care.

I am hoping that the snake I planted on Catalana will cross beed with the Texas Balck
diamonds with out Rattlers, then I can take several of them and transplant in the Dens around Sweetwater to see what will happen.
Will be interesting to see if they will have Rattles or Not.

Skeet

DENNIS - 5-26-2012 at 02:40 PM

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Originally posted by Skeet/Loreto
Another snake is the "Coach Whip" which can actually "Whip you if you get close enough.

ooooh....that sounds exciting. Hope she doesn't leave any nasty marks. :lol:

David K - 5-26-2012 at 03:50 PM

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Originally posted by Skeet/Loreto
For me the Cotton Mouth Moccison is the most Dangerous to come in contact with. If you know about them Please be Carefull!!
Another snake is the "Coach Whip" which can actually "Whip you if you get close enough. All snakes should be handles with care.

I am hoping that the snake I planted on Catalana will cross beed with the Texas Balck
diamonds with out Rattlers, then I can take several of them and transplant in the Dens around Sweetwater to see what will happen.
Will be interesting to see if they will have Rattles or Not.
Skeet

Skeet, isn't that messin' with the natural order of life?

Maybe not, afterall dogs and cats were created by humans seletive and cross breeding wild animals. Dogs and cats are man's best friends, now! Maybe Skeet's cross species snakes will be some future generation pet (or taste treat)?

[Edited on 5-26-2012 by David K]

Cypress - 5-26-2012 at 03:50 PM

A "Coach Whip" is an amazing snake. Have seen two. One of 'em went up a tree faster than I can type this. They're very fast. Their belly scales makes a buzzing sound as they move across the ground. They're very fast! :biggrin:

woody with a view - 5-26-2012 at 03:51 PM

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Originally posted by DENNIS

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Originally posted by Skeet/Loreto
Another snake is the "Coach Whip" which can actually "Whip you if you get close enough.

ooooh....that sounds exciting. Hope she doesn't leave any nasty marks. :lol:

damn, Dennis! doncha know those marks only last a coupla hours? :light:

David K - 5-26-2012 at 03:56 PM

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Originally posted by Cypress
A "Coach Whip" is an amazing snake. Have seen two. One of 'em went up a tree faster than I can type this. They're very fast. Their belly scales makes a buzzing sound as they move across the ground. They're very fast! :biggrin:

Saw and photographed one by San Gregorio (SE of San Borja)... They are called that name because of their speed, so a photo was lucky! http://vivabaja.com/401/page6.html

Cypress - 5-26-2012 at 03:56 PM

A Coach Whip is a thing of wonder. All you clowns can make light of it, but it's an amazing creature.

Skeet- help meunderstand your plan

thebajarunner - 5-26-2012 at 05:18 PM

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I am hoping that the snake I planted on Catalana will cross beed with the Texas Balck
diamonds with out Rattlers, then I can take several of them and transplant in the Dens around Sweetwater to see what will happen.
Will be interesting to see if they will have Rattles or Not.

Skeet

Are you trying to grow rattles on Baja snakes
or develop no-rattle Texas snakes??

If the former, I think you should leave ecology to work itself out without your help,

If the latter, I suspect that your popularity index will suffer some around the old Texas rancho the first time one of them "Silent Sams" nuzzles up along some unsuspecting ankle and does his business....]

Just my observation, but it might have some very unforseen consequences.

Cisco - 5-26-2012 at 05:28 PM

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Originally posted by thebajarunner
I am hoping that the snake I planted on Catalana will cross beed with the Texas Balck
diamonds with out Rattlers, then I can take several of them and transplant in the Dens around Sweetwater to see what will happen.
Will be interesting to see if they will have Rattles or Not.

Skeet

Anyone have any experience or thoughts regarding the leather "leggings" the Mexicans wear while in the bush???

Cypress - 5-26-2012 at 05:37 PM

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Originally posted by David K

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Saw and photographed one by San Gregorio (SE of San Borja)... They are called that name because of their speed, so a photo was lucky! http://vivabaja.com/401/page6.html

Not many people have ever seen one.

vandenberg - 5-26-2012 at 07:37 PM

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Originally posted by DENNIS

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Originally posted by Skeet/Loreto
Another snake is the "Coach Whip" which can actually "Whip you if you get close enough.

ooooh....that sounds exciting. Hope she doesn't leave any nasty marks. :lol:

Dennis, you're thinking of a couch whip.

snakebite

captkw - 5-26-2012 at 09:09 PM

HOLA amigo's,,I'm still looking for a good response !! what do you do with a rattle snake bite ??? :cool:

Say your prayers

thebajarunner - 5-26-2012 at 09:34 PM

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Originally posted by captkw
HOLA amigo's,,I'm still looking for a good response !! what do you do with a rattle snake bite ??? :cool:

snake bite

captkw - 5-27-2012 at 06:31 AM

I dont think that is gonna help !!

J.P. - 5-27-2012 at 09:17 AM

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Originally posted by Cypress
Those little rattle snakes? :yes:

Ever seen a big cotton mouth? He'll get your undivided attention.

I had them try to climb up the paddle while I was trying to hit them. Because of a Cotton mouth I will never use a live fish basket agian ever.

durrelllrobert - 5-27-2012 at 10:27 AM

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Originally posted by J.P.

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Originally posted by Cypress
Those little rattle snakes? :yes:

Ever seen a big cotton mouth? He'll get your undivided attention.

Used to see them all the time in the sound at Nags Head, NC:

They are all over eastern NC as shown by the shaded area of this map:

I had them try to climb up the paddle while I was trying to hit them. Because of a Cotton mouth I will never use a live fish basket agian ever.

ursidae69 - 5-29-2012 at 03:19 PM

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Originally posted by captkw
HOLA amigo's,,I'm still looking for a good response !! what do you do with a rattle snake bite ??? :cool:

There is not much that you can do other than seek medical attention.

Couple of studies to consider:

Using a porcine model, some researchers tested the efficacy of using compression bandages after a simulated severe bite from a western diamondback. The compression bandaged did prolong life, but still, all 20 pigs in the study died.

Link to the abstract

Another couple of studies that are useful involve the testing of Sawyer Venom Extraction Kits. We've all seen the yellow boxes at Wal-Mart, I don't suggest that you get one.

In this study they showed that the suction kits remove about 0.04% of the venom and the rest of the fluid is just interstitial fluid due to the swelling happening from the bite. Link to the abstract

And another link to a pdf

So... If you're bitten by a large diamondback, hope for a dry bite and try to get to medical help.

Cypress - 5-29-2012 at 03:35 PM

durelllrobert, Nice picture. Thanks.
J.P. Yep, they're big and bad with a real nasty attitude. :yes:

DavidE - 5-29-2012 at 04:02 PM

About snattlerakes,

My opinion...

Time to haul to a hospital. Just about every small settlement will know the closest treatment available.

Two key words en español

VICTIMA CASCABEL

These two short words explain everything at top speed

Skeet/Loreto - 5-29-2012 at 04:55 PM

Just be aware newcomers, there are not many hosptials close by to all of those Beautufill places that you go to in Baja Sur!!

Skeet- we thought you left us

thebajarunner - 5-29-2012 at 05:17 PM

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Originally posted by Skeet/Loreto
Just be aware newcomers, there are not many hosptials close by to all of those Beautufill places that you go to in Baja Sur!!

Still wondering- are you trying to make no rattle snakes for Texas or restore rattles on Baja snakes.

curious minds demand answers....