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Pets no longer allowed in cabin

measomsan - 6-11-2012 at 03:57 PM

Well we have been reading that airlines no longer allowing pets in cabin. We pay to put our very little dog under the seat. This is as June. So AA ,United, and others are NOT allowing even though we bought a round trip ticket. This is (they say)) a law in MX that has been on the books for years.

So in July looks like wee drive back to Houston from Cabo.

This is not good for Mexico in general

Mula - 6-11-2012 at 04:00 PM

Too bad. It's going to be a long hot drive.

And lots of people travel with little dogs.

Never heard of this before.

mtgoat666 - 6-11-2012 at 04:28 PM

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Originally posted by measomsan
Well we have been reading that airlines no longer allowing pets in cabin.

This is not good for Mexico in general

mexico will survive, they are a resilient people!

goldhuntress - 6-11-2012 at 04:56 PM

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Originally posted by mtgoat666

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Originally posted by measomsan
Well we have been reading that airlines no longer allowing pets in cabin.

This is not good for Mexico in general

mexico will survive, they are a resilient people!

That sucks but I think the main people affected by this will be little dog owners, not so much all of Mexico. I guess you could get service dog status.

measomsan - 6-11-2012 at 05:02 PM

It is hard to sell the seeing eye chihuahua.....and I would rather fly with a cabin full of little dogs under the seat then crying kids..

BajaBlanca - 6-11-2012 at 05:10 PM

:lol:

goldhuntress - 6-11-2012 at 06:31 PM

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Originally posted by measomsan
It is hard to sell the seeing eye chihuahua.....and I would rather fly with a cabin full of little dogs under the seat then crying kids..

Me too, I'm all for dogs flying in cabin. There's all kinds of service dogs even for stress disorders so any dog can qualify these days. I get what your saying though. I have a medium size dog and I never would fly with her unless I was moving somewhere and there was no other way to get her there. I think it would be scary for them to be stored in cargo

Marla Daily - 6-11-2012 at 06:59 PM

We have flown ALaska Air LAX-LTO-LAX with our four dogs several times and are doing so again in October. They are comfortable below—it is air conditioned and pressurized the same as where passengers sit upstairs. For the few hours they spend below it beats days driving together in the car. We do both. Better than being left behind with a dog sitter if you ask them!

measomsan - 6-12-2012 at 03:27 AM

Here is a link

https://www.change.org/petitions/united-is-mis-interpreting-...

karenintx - 6-12-2012 at 07:52 AM

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Originally posted by measomsan
Here is a link

https://www.change.org/petitions/united-is-mis-interpreting-...

Although this article does not have a date, it appears to be about 3 weeks old. Here is a updated article from June 7, 2012. Seems that all but three airlines are now enforcing this "old" Mexican law from the 1950's.

http://www.banderasnews.com/1206/to-airlinesnewnopetspolicy....

[Edited on 6-12-2012 by karenintx]

And yet, another......

bajaguy - 6-12-2012 at 05:23 PM

This time from the "Baja Western Onion", dated 6-12-2012:
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Flying Your Pets Update - For more information regarding flying your pets in and out of Mexico in airline cabins, you can visit this handy website:

http://www.thepetitionsite.com/897/179/293/in-cabin-airline-... - Courtesy Baja Pony Express.
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I recently had 2 people translate and provide a synopsis of the Mexican government Directives that apply to the 'no pets in cabin' policy which the airlines have just implemented. Both translators agreed on the basic gist of the document:

International Travel of Pets - Mexico has this compulsory Circular CO AV-07.8/07 which they have now started to enforce. It states that every licensee or permittee who operates or intends to operate services to the public passenger transportation in Mexico must comply with the requirements of this Compulsory Circular.

Aircraft operators must also comply with the requirements of this Compulsory Circular according to the type of operation and characteristics of their aircraft. As I read this, this includes all flights in Mexico whether international or not.

It states that all pets traveling to Mexico effective immediately until further notice, all dogs and/or cats must travel in a kennel and be placed in the aircraft cargo hold.

Also they are required to have a Health Certificate. The only exception in Mexico for a live animals in the passenger cabin is in the case of a service animal, like a guide dog.

Travelers with three or more pets are subject to additional importation fees of approximately $1,600 pesos (approximately $150 USD) as mandated by the SAGARPA (Secretary of Agriculture, Livestock Production, Rural Development, Fishery and Food).

The payment can be paid online or at a Mexican bank. Upon arrival with three or more pets, Customs will direct you to the cargo area where the required commercial importation process takes place. The clearance may require a customs broker.

The bottom line is there's no point in petitioning the airlines; they are simply following Mexican federal law. As foreigners in Mexico, there are limits to what we can do to try and influence the government on this policy, but we are investigating what, if anything, we can legally do.

Anyone who would like a copy of the Directives (in Spanish) can contact me by email at hamiltos12@yahoo.com - Sheryl Hamilton.

Hook - 6-13-2012 at 08:03 AM

"Breathe at last...........breathe at last, thank God Almighty, I can breathe at last".

Many of us are allergic to pets in confined quarters. YOUR need to bring your little lap-yapper shouldnt trump health concerns.

For the same reason that there are designated pet rooms in hotels or outright bans on pets in hotels, I welcome this decision.

The air, especially on an airliner, is already suspect. Diseases and dander just get recirculated.

Hook - 6-13-2012 at 01:27 PM

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Originally posted by ridge

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Originally posted by Hook...The air...on an airliner, is...recirculated.

No, it's not.

Aircraft pressurization pipes in "bleed air" from the turbine compressor, and controls the "cabin altitude" with an outflow valve located in the tail.

The air moves from nose to tail, with the freshest up front and the stalest in the rear.

Put the yappers in the last row.

Oh, so every single allergen just lines up in an orderly fashion, rises above everyone and moves from the front to the back, without going by anyone's nose and mouth.

I stand corrected on the air circulation system but it's incredibly naive to think this solves the problem of allergens from pets in a liner.

Barry A. - 6-13-2012 at 01:58 PM

I almost never catch a cold when on the ground-------conversely, I almost always catch a cold when flying commercially.

The "cabin air" is suspect, for sure. I little dab of ZYCAM in the old snoz sure helps, tho. (of course, I may never "taste" anything again)

Barry

surfdoc - 6-13-2012 at 04:04 PM

Buy your own plane..........seems simple to me.

Hook - 6-13-2012 at 04:18 PM

As a dog lover, I recommend passengers send their cats in the unpressurized baggage area.

Barry A. - 6-13-2012 at 04:19 PM

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Originally posted by Hook
As a dog lover, I recommend passengers send their cats in the unpressurized baggage area.

Malo!!!!!!! Muy malo!!!!!!

Barry

mtgoat666 - 6-13-2012 at 04:33 PM

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Originally posted by ridge
The air moves from nose to tail, with the freshest up front and the stalest in the rear.

nonsense!

P.S. I don't like rat dogs in airplane cabins or in purses in stores, restaurants or supermarkets. what compels people to take their rat dogs everywhere? don't they know dogs are probably happier and less stressed if they stay at home in the back yard?

Barry A. - 6-13-2012 at 04:38 PM

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Originally posted by mtgoat666

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Originally posted by ridge
The air moves from nose to tail, with the freshest up front and the stalest in the rear.

Please, Goat-----------not "rat dogs"---------ANKLE BITERS is the excepted term, and I know because I have been "hit" several times when a Ranger. :lol:

Barry

Tijuana to Merida, Yucatan, and Back Last Week

Gypsy Jan - 6-13-2012 at 08:18 PM

Hubby and his Great Dane service dog flew to Merida, Yucatan.

AeroMexico reserved two seats on the bulkhead and the dog had free passage.

The Dane wore his safety harness on takeoff and landing, sitting in his seat.

When they transited the Mexico City airport, their was a wheelchair waiting and he was taken by an AeroMexico employee over to the gate for his connecting flight. He said that the attendant was going so fast that the dog had to run alongside to keep up.

Hook - 6-14-2012 at 05:58 AM

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Originally posted by ridge
I was wrong; what I posted was nonsense.
http://www.boeing.com/commercial/cabinair/

My apologies.

Do they really have HEPA filters that can trap viruses, as the article says? Viruses are pretty darn small.

Hey, you were only partially wrong. Only some of the air is recirculated.

oxxo - 6-14-2012 at 06:14 AM

Do people with allergies to dogs and cats have any rights in airplanes or hotel rooms?

Hook - 6-14-2012 at 06:17 AM

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Originally posted by oxxo
Do people with allergies to dogs and cats have any rights in airplanes or hotel rooms?

Well, lots of hotel and airline owners must think so.

wilderone - 6-14-2012 at 08:32 AM

" . . . rat dogs in airplane cabins or in purses in stores, restaurants or supermarkets. what compels people to take their rat dogs everywhere? don't they know dogs are probably happier and less stressed if they stay at home in the back yard?"

What compels them is their emotional need for so-called "unconditional love" (isn't God and your mother sufficient?), faithful companionship (one-sided conversations), unresolved fathering/mothering issues, attention-seeking, personalities that require dominance and control over something, some irrational defensive need for "protection", among other selfish, inconsiderate motivations. Your pet may be a "member of your family" but it's still an animal - that peees and defecates in public, barks, has fleas, and most do not have adequate social skills because their owners are too ignorant. Pets are welfare animals who have had to relinguish their self-respect due to humans' emotionally needy idiosyncrasies. They are loyal to you because they know where their next meal is coming from. Don't kid yourself. Pitiful really.

Let the hairballs fly

karenintx - 6-14-2012 at 09:46 AM

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Originally posted by Hook

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Originally posted by ridge
I was wrong; what I posted was nonsense.
http://www.boeing.com/commercial/cabinair/

My apologies.

Do they really have HEPA filters that can trap viruses, as the article says? Viruses are pretty darn small.

Hey, you were only partially wrong. Only some of the air is recirculated.

http://www.boeing.com/commercial/cabinair/facts.html

motoged - 6-14-2012 at 09:55 AM

WO,

:lol:

Well said !

I am a cat guy (in between cats right now) and like dogs...as long as someone else owns them....but I kinda agree with the basics of your rant....

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Originally posted by wilderone
" . . . rat dogs in airplane cabins or in purses in stores, restaurants or supermarkets. what compels people to take their rat dogs everywhere? don't they know dogs are probably happier and less stressed if they stay at home in the back yard?"

What compels them is their emotional need for so-called "unconditional love" (isn't God and your mother sufficient?), faithful companionship (one-sided conversations), unresolved fathering/mothering issues, attention-seeking, personalities that require dominance and control over something, some irrational defensive need for "protection", among other selfish, inconsiderate motivations. Your pet may be a "member of your family" but it's still an animal - that peees and defecates in public, barks, has fleas, and most do not have adequate social skills because their owners are too ignorant. Pets are welfare animals who have had to relinguish their self-respect due to humans' emotionally needy idiosyncrasies. They are loyal to you because they know where their next meal is coming from. Don't kid yourself. Pitiful really.

Let the hairballs fly