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1747 Baja Map by Consag

David K - 6-21-2012 at 04:38 PM

One of the important maps drawn by the Jesuit explorer following his 1746 expedition. It shows more detail of the upper Gulf of California than previous maps, and applied many names that are still in use today:






The Consag map was redrawn by the Jesuit Missionary Nascimben... probably about 1748:



Some close ups (south to north):




Note the last eruption of Las Tres Virgines (1746) is indicated, as well as San Ignacio Mission being on the 'northern frontier of California. An 'aguaje' was a fresh water source, so important to travelers by sea or land.




'San Gabriel' looks to be an exaggerated Bahia de San Francisquito; San Raphael is today's San Rafael; Las Animas with an aguaje by the mysterious wall we photographed in 2009 would indicate why a dam and lone date palm are there?; Baya (Bahia) de los Angeles; Punta Remedios; and near the top an aguaje at today's Puerto Calamajue are shown.




Bahia de San Luis Gonzaga, and aguajes called Santa Isabel (Agua de Mezquitito?), San Fermin, and San Phelipe de Jesus (San Felipe) on the old map.


This Nascimben map is found in the 1966 Dawson Baja Travelers Series book #5 ('Wenceslaus Linck's Diary of his 1766 Expedition to Northern Baja California'). I hope some of you Baja explorers enjoy it as much as I!

1757 Jesuit Map, northern gulf

David K - 6-21-2012 at 04:42 PM

Drawn from information obtained about 1747, including Consag's map...


maps !

captkw - 6-21-2012 at 05:07 PM

cool stuff !! thanks

David K - 6-22-2012 at 12:07 AM

Glad you like them! It is the above maps that first showed the many place names we use today...

Bob H - 6-22-2012 at 12:17 AM

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Originally posted by David K
Glad you like them! It is the above maps that first showed the many place names we use today...


David, where do you find this stuff... Amazing history!

David K - 6-22-2012 at 08:27 AM

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Originally posted by Bob H
Quote:
Originally posted by David K
Glad you like them! It is the above maps that first showed the many place names we use today...


David, where do you find this stuff... Amazing history!


In Books!

Below the last map, I said: "This Nascimben map is found in the 1966 Dawson Baja Travelers Series book #5 ('Wenceslaus Linck's Diary of his 1766 Expedition to Northern Baja California'). I hope some of you Baja explorers enjoy it as much as I! "

StuckSucks - 9-17-2015 at 03:50 PM

I see Padre Consag's island near San Felipe.

David K - 9-17-2015 at 04:54 PM

Quote: Originally posted by StuckSucks  
I see Padre Consag's island near San Felipe.


LOL, yes, the big white sail on the horizon!

If anyone wants to read more about the great missionary explorer (who finally proved to the authorities that California was not an island), complete book online: https://archive.org/stream/lifeworksofrever00kons#page/n0/mo...


Otherwise, #15 of the Dawson Baja Book series...




I think more of his explorations are found in Dunne's book...


basautter - 9-18-2015 at 01:55 PM

Cool1 Thanks for sharing :bounce:

AKgringo - 9-18-2015 at 02:23 PM

So the various maps differ on the spelling of Felipe/Phelipe. I wonder who named it first, and which version they used?

I guess it doesn't matter, it is the same fonettickly!

David K - 9-18-2015 at 02:58 PM

Depended on the language of the cartographer, Phillip in English or Felipe in Spanish, then a combination of the tw0. Obviously he didn't ask on Baja Nomad before making that map! LOL


The top version is the first map, drawn by Consag, and he spells it Felipe.

Here is a close up (note he also named San Luis Gonzaga bay, and shows the island in the middle but Alfonsina's isn't yet open)!


BajaBlanca - 9-19-2015 at 03:01 AM

very cool

I see that the sea of cortez right next to BoLA was called CANAL DE LAS BALLENAS....so there were lots of whales there then. Are there still whales there?

David K - 9-19-2015 at 08:43 AM

It is still called that Blanca. 2010 AAA Baja Map >>>



Pretty cool that something named in 1746 by a Jesuit padre/ explorer is still in use.

Yes, whales are still there!

Ken Bondy has a great photo of a blue whale taken there (I think there?):


sargentodiaz - 9-20-2015 at 01:16 PM

Darn it David! You did it to me again.

Read my post on Historium.

Vince - 9-20-2015 at 01:27 PM

Fine source of reading and maps there, David. I love flying along that very route and matching the names on the map to where I am. I often use the AAA map when flying there, the names are more complete. Isla Angel de la Guarda still guards LA Bay and that entire coast. Those pioneers were so good at exploring and map making.

David K - 9-20-2015 at 01:39 PM

Endless wonders exist in Baja. It's what brings many of us back. Dale, I just replied on Historium.

4Cata - 9-20-2015 at 02:47 PM

Are these maps ever available in printed, frameable art form? They're gorgeous!

4x4abc - 9-20-2015 at 06:53 PM

David, help me out with San Fermin - where do you think that Aguaje is? I have all other locations

Tioloco - 9-20-2015 at 08:33 PM

An old spring near the town.....?

David K - 9-20-2015 at 09:26 PM

Quote: Originally posted by 4x4abc  
David, help me out with San Fermin - where do you think that Aguaje is? I have all other locations


Punta San Fermin is about 10 miles north of Puertecitos, and I am not aware of any natural springs around there, just the old well in Arroyo Matomi now by Rancho San Rafael.

I would like you opinion of what the Aguaje Santa Isabel was... My opinion is Agua del Mezquitito, about 15 miles north of Papa Fernandez'.

David K - 9-20-2015 at 09:28 PM

Quote: Originally posted by Tioloco  
An old spring near the town.....?


The town? What town?
Thanks!

4x4abc - 9-20-2015 at 10:09 PM

that's what I though - Matomi

David K - 9-21-2015 at 08:28 AM

So, how about Aguaje Santa Isabel?

fishsticker - 9-21-2015 at 09:07 AM

check u2u

David K - 9-21-2015 at 06:20 PM

Thank you fishsticker.

Still waiting, if there is any answers from Harald & Tioloco...?

Been reading more and more on Consag... More like reading again... May make an interesting article?

In short, the head Jesuit in California (Padre Juan Antonio Balthasar) said he (and his superior) wanted to settle the question of California being an island or not, once and for all. Also, how best to supply new missions in the north of the peninsula. Padre Consag went to task and organized expeditions to the north of his mission of San Ignacio.

The sailing voyage from San Carlos (on the Baja coast near the 28th parallel) to the Colorado River began on June 9, 1746.

The next was overland up the center of the peninsula and over to the Pacific, in May 22, 1751 beginning at La Piedad (which became Mission Santa Gertudis the following year).

The third expedition was in 1753, also overland, but stayed closer to the gulf coast getting as far north as the region of Gonzaga Bay. Never finding an ideal mission site, Consag also missed seeing the spring of Adac, which became Mission San Borja in 1762.

David K - 9-21-2015 at 09:58 PM

Thank you... I will look forward to that Volume 57 article when it becomes available, online.

I appreciate any references to the explorers of Baja's past! :bounce:

4x4abc - 11-5-2015 at 01:30 PM

David,

any idea what "La Visitacion" above Gonzaga bay is?

David K - 11-5-2015 at 05:44 PM

Quote: Originally posted by 4x4abc  
David,

any idea what "La Visitacion" above Gonzaga bay is?


Read it in Consag's diary, beginning on page 70 (translated into English in this book as [La] Visitation):

https://archive.org/stream/lifeworksofrever00kons#page/70/mo...

I asked this of you a few posts up in this thread:

"I would like you opinion of what the Aguaje Santa Isabel was... My opinion is Agua del Mezquitito, about 15 miles north of Papa Fernandez'."



[Edited on 11-6-2015 by David K]

4x4abc - 11-6-2015 at 12:05 AM

I am still in the process of collecting information.
Don't really have an opinion yet.

The place has 3 different names:
Aguaje Santa Isabel
Agua del Mezquito
La Vistiacion

I know the area well

The Camino Real goes in and out at several locations

I found strong evidence for prolonged use by the padres

Cliffy - 11-6-2015 at 08:10 AM

It would have been so much easier for them if they had just used an old AAA map, wouldn't it? I still have mine :-)

This is a fascinating thread.

David K - 11-6-2015 at 09:42 AM

Quote: Originally posted by 4x4abc  
I am still in the process of collecting information.
Don't really have an opinion yet.

The place has 3 different names:
Aguaje Santa Isabel
Agua del Mezquito
La Vistiacion

I know the area well

The Camino Real goes in and out at several locations

I found strong evidence for prolonged use by the padres


I would love to see what you have for evidence. I do know that the construction crew for Hwy. 5 had to stop for archeologists to remove artifacts when they 'found' an Indian village remains, just south of El Huerfanito, south side of long bridge. Perhaps that was La Visitacion?

You know I am picky on details, right?

The "area" has several names, yes... are they the same place? Not likely.
The Camino Real is closest to Gonzaga Bay at the Arroyo Santa Marķa crossing before going up to Mission Santa Marķa. It then heads across Baja to Agua Dulce and Mission San Fernando and not up the gulf coast.


Gulick 1954






Crosby 1977

David K - 6-14-2016 at 05:21 PM

The El Camino Real beyond (north from) San Borja was never much more that an animal track and not the wide, well-constructed road that the Jesuits designed. There are some small switchbacks on the trail near Mission Santa Maria. Very little north of San Borja can be seen on Satellite images. San Borja south to San Javier is a much different story, where the old road is easily seen for many long stretches. Switchbacks coming down the mountain graded or into/out of canyons, as well!

Here is a cuesta on El Camino Real, north of San Ignacio, dropping down to Santa Marta...





Cuesta Santa Marta.jpg - 198kB