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Trade use of my Tri Maran for delivery in Ensenada

captkw - 8-22-2012 at 05:12 PM

HOLA, WHAT'S THE MOTOR IN/ON HER??IF ANY!! I HAD ONE IN THE BACK OF MY BOATYARD FOR MANY YEARS...... K&T

The Trimaran

Nemo55 - 8-22-2012 at 05:17 PM

At this point i dont know,,,it's some kind of outboard, probably 25 horse.
I bought her, but cant get to her.

Udo - 8-22-2012 at 05:32 PM

Back in my days of delivering sail boats (late 80's) the fees used to be about a Dollar a mile or whatever one could negotiate near that range.
Now days, the delivery would be about $6,000, plus fees for foreign delivery, assuming the US Coast Guard does not stop you before you get to Baja.

Personally, I think the delivery/vacation would be a good deal, but not the repairs/maintenance/etc.

Taking a closer look at the tri...it looks like a home-built boat.

udo

captkw - 8-22-2012 at 05:45 PM

they are plywood with glass overlay and are problem matic !! That said,, some have been built very well and I have also seen some that were....umm...not safe to have in the parking lot..LOL piver,browns and other tri's of that era were usally lacking in a lot of area's as a general statement!! K&T:cool:

bajaguy - 8-22-2012 at 05:48 PM

More photos of a similar boat:

http://markblackburn.org/Tri/Tri.htm

"The Searunner Trimarans are home-built, wooden tri-hull sailboats designed by Jim Brown and John Marples intended for circumnavigation. Searunner Trimarans were designed in five hull sizes: 25, 31, 34, 37 and 40 feet."

Interesting note from the link above...........

"One interesting thing about this boat-- it is de-mountable and could be delivered over land."

[Edited on 8-23-2012 by bajaguy]

BAJA GUY

captkw - 8-22-2012 at 05:55 PM

HEY,,THAT DODGER LOOKS LIKE A VOLKSWAGON WINDSHEILD!!!! LIKE I SAID IN MY LAST POST SOME WERE BUILT A LITTLE ON THE SHY SIDE !! K&T:cool: PS..I HAVE NEVER ,EVER HEARD OF SOMEONE LEAVING A PWR CAT FOR A TRI/SAIL...MUST OF LOST HIS MONEY SOMEWHERE !!!

[Edited on 8-23-2012 by captkw]

Nemo55 - 8-22-2012 at 06:00 PM

I think this one being built in 1979 has answered the issue of Longevity.
But she's an old girl and bound to have her little issues.

As to the Maintenance issue, giving up ones Boat for another's lengthy holiday should have some transfer of responsibility to maintain the craft no????:coolup:

brewer - 8-22-2012 at 07:07 PM

Check out Larryc's post on help needed in Punta Cono. Looks like layed up plywood. Seems like a scetchey start in a boat like that. But if they haven't pounded the bottom, who knows. They may have made it anywhere they wanted.

tripledigitken - 8-22-2012 at 07:18 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by captkw
HEY,,THAT DODGER LOOKS LIKE A VOLKSWAGON WINDSHEILD!!!! LIKE I SAID IN MY LAST POST SOME WERE BUILT A LITTLE ON THE SHY SIDE !! K&T:cool: PS..I HAVE NEVER ,EVER HEARD OF SOMEONE LEAVING A PWR CAT FOR A TRI/SAIL...MUST OF LOST HIS MONEY SOMEWHERE !!!

[Edited on 8-23-2012 by captkw]


Your criticism of this boat is not cool. I didn't read of his need for critiques of his boat, just someone to deliver it. Ease up on him.

My 2 cents.

Ken

BajaNomad - 8-22-2012 at 07:37 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by brewer
Check out Larryc's post on help needed in Punta Cono. Looks like layed up plywood.


Is that the same one?

http://forums.bajanomad.com/viewthread.php?tid=61752

[Edited on 8-23-2012 by BajaNomad]

willardguy - 8-22-2012 at 07:40 PM

and my 2 cents, these australian trimarans are legendary cruisers!:O

KEN

captkw - 8-22-2012 at 07:41 PM

HOLA,,SORRY... ALL MY COMMENTS ARE/WERE NOT TO DEGRADE OR ANYTHING OTHERWISE THIS LINE OF VESSEL !! AND AT THE SAME TIME..REREAD MY POST ON THIS ... I AS A BOAT EXPERT !! YES, THAT WHAT I DO FOR LIVING..I NEVER PUT DOWN OR STATED ANY BAD ABOUT THIS TRI !! I HAVE NEVER SEEN HER OR INSPECTED THIS VESSEL !! MOST HOME MADE BOATS/VESSEL'S ARE NOT UP TO CFR 33 OR ABYC STANDARDS.....K&T:cool:

Marla Daily - 8-22-2012 at 08:19 PM

Interesting post. As you now are undoubtedly aware, a foreigner buying a US documented vessel must "un-document" the vessel, because documented vessels cannot be owned by non-US citizens.
Sounds like you still might have paperwork issues to resolve. Your post brings to mind several obvious questions which must have interesting answers. You are obviously hoping to live a dream—as are many who are drawn to Baja:

Just curious, but why are you "not capable" of delivering your own boat? Presumably you bought a boat you felt you could handle.

Why haven't you ever gone to see the vessel? Doesn't really make any sense. A visa issue is mentioned?? Ensenada by land to at least see and inspect the boat is a very easy trip.

Your posts here say she is a 1979, and your "for sale" posts elsewhere for the vessel say 1975. Minor detail, but still different.

Is the vessel insured? Liability insurance? Deliveries are expensive and time consuming and come with a huge responsibility. When was the last time the vessel had a survey? How do you know the seaworthiness and condition of the rigging, etc. of this aging vessel?

Anyone interested will want answers to these questions and more.
Best of luck and I hope your dream comes true.

HOLA ,MARLA

captkw - 8-22-2012 at 08:24 PM

INDEED GOOD Q'S

My problems Getting to my boat.

Nemo55 - 8-22-2012 at 09:06 PM

First, I am assuming you are` an American and have no idea how badly your borders are screwed up, i am a long time resident of Canada,41 years, still a British Citizen.

I attempted to get to my Boat from My Home In British Columbia but it seems i needed two different kinds of Visas,,and had to prove i had a Minimum required Income coming in every month to enable me to visit the U.S..
They also wanted my Children's Birth Certificates, and Residential History in Canada.

To do all this required first that i begin an online application, and then down load a Receipt with a Bar Code after Paying Fees (non Refundable)and then await an interview at my Local American Embassy, almost three months at last count.

Then after bringing what amounts to my life history to the Embassy i would be scrutinized, and depending on what my income level was, and My Health, i MAY have been issued the Necessary Visa's.

Oh yeah,,,and to cap it all off,,i was informed that the Border Guards can ignore the Visa's issued by The Embassy after all of this, and refuse entry just based on the Guards Mood at that particular time.
SADLY :no: It seemed to me that it might be better to never have to Visit the United States again until this Lunacy has ended and one day Saner Calmer heads have prevailed.
Until such a time i will retain my pride and my freedom and choose Mexico instead.
So,,,this is why i did not arrive at my boat Moored in San Rafael Harbor.
P.S. i am not alone in this nightmare,many others are experiencing this madness as well.
Not such an easy trip like you think.

As to my sailing experience, i was planning on taking all of the required courses in San Francisco while getting my boat provisioned. so short answer, i am not experienced enough to attempt such a voyage as of yet.

Yes i made an error in the year of my Boat she is a 1975 Sea Runner.

As to the condition of this vessel, i have no first hand knowledge, i trust the Previous owner when he tells me that aside from some minor issues, she is completely sea worthy.
and her Sails and Rigging are all in Good shape.

And Finally as to Insurance, she is uninsured at the moment, and as far as allowing someone else to skipper her, NOTHING in this life is completely free,,do you expect me to pay for someones Holiday (what i am offering) and Pay for the Insurance for the trip also??
There is not a Sane person afloat who would do such a thing.
In exchange for the use of my Vessel (no strings) i would expect the boat to be maintained and upkept, and insurance would be up to whoever skippered her.
(car rental agencies expect you to buy your own insurance, why is this any different?)
As to any other inquiries, i am an open book.

Thank you for the good wishes...:coolup:
Quote:
Originally posted by Marla Daily
Interesting post. As you now are undoubtedly aware, a foreigner buying a US documented vessel must "un-document" the vessel, because documented vessels cannot be owned by non-US citizens.
Sounds like you still might have paperwork issues to resolve. Your post brings to mind several obvious questions which must have interesting answers. You are obviously hoping to live a dream—as are many who are drawn to Baja:

Just curious, but why are you "not capable" of delivering your own boat? Presumably you bought a boat you felt you could handle.

Why haven't you ever gone to see the vessel? Doesn't really make any sense. A visa issue is mentioned?? Ensenada by land to at least see and inspect the boat is a very easy trip.

Your posts here say she is a 1979, and your "for sale" posts elsewhere for the vessel say 1975. Minor detail, but still different.

Is the vessel insured? Liability insurance? Deliveries are expensive and time consuming and come with a huge responsibility. When was the last time the vessel had a survey? How do you know the seaworthiness and condition of the rigging, etc. of this aging vessel?

Anyone interested will want answers to these questions and more.
Best of luck and I hope your dream comes true.

Nemo55 - 8-22-2012 at 09:11 PM

Errrr,,,you do know that in my corner of the world P.O.S.
Stands for Piece of chit ???? Is that your intended usage for my Boat ????
Quote:
Originally posted by captkw
TALK IS CHEAP.........YOU MIGHT LIKE TO DELIVER THIS P.O.S. ,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,IT'S DOWN HILL???

Nemo55 - 8-22-2012 at 09:30 PM

I think all Sea Runners where home built.
As far as my research goes, they are renowned for their stability and long life,which is what drew me to this one to begin with.
I had a Cal 28 before her.
Quote:
Originally posted by Udo
Back in my days of delivering sail boats (late 80's) the fees used to be about a Dollar a mile or whatever one could negotiate near that range.
Now days, the delivery would be about $6,000, plus fees for foreign delivery, assuming the US Coast Guard does not stop you before you get to Baja.

Personally, I think the delivery/vacation would be a good deal, but not the repairs/maintenance/etc.

Taking a closer look at the tri...it looks like a home-built boat.

dtbushpilot - 8-22-2012 at 09:35 PM

Nemo55, hopefully you will get a reply from someone who might actually be interested in helping you get your boat to where you are, unfortunately the Nomads forun isn't looking like that place. There are probably better places to look for what you need.....I wish I could help....dt

mtgoat666 - 8-22-2012 at 09:43 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by Nemo55
As to the condition of this vessel, i have no first hand knowledge, i trust the Previous owner when he tells me that aside from some minor issues, she is completely sea worthy.
and her Sails and Rigging are all in Good shape.

And Finally as to Insurance, she is uninsured at the moment, and as far as allowing someone else to skipper her, NOTHING in this life is completely free,,do you expect me to pay for someones Holiday (what i am offering) and Pay for the Insurance for the trip also??
There is not a Sane person afloat who would do such a thing.
In exchange for the use of my Vessel (no strings) i would expect the boat to be maintained and upkept, and insurance would be up to whoever skippered her.
(car rental agencies expect you to buy your own insurance, why is this any different?)


Quote:
Originally posted by Marla Daily
Interesting post. As you now are undoubtedly aware, a foreigner buying a US documented vessel must "un-document" the vessel, because documented vessels cannot be owned by non-US citizens.
Sounds like you still might have paperwork issues to resolve. Your post brings to mind several obvious questions which must have interesting answers. You are obviously hoping to live a dream—as are many who are drawn to Baja:

Just curious, but why are you "not capable" of delivering your own boat? Presumably you bought a boat you felt you could handle.

Why haven't you ever gone to see the vessel? Doesn't really make any sense. A visa issue is mentioned?? Ensenada by land to at least see and inspect the boat is a very easy trip.

Your posts here say she is a 1979, and your "for sale" posts elsewhere for the vessel say 1975. Minor detail, but still different.

Is the vessel insured? Liability insurance? Deliveries are expensive and time consuming and come with a huge responsibility. When was the last time the vessel had a survey? How do you know the seaworthiness and condition of the rigging, etc. of this aging vessel?

Anyone interested will want answers to these questions and more.
Best of luck and I hope your dream comes true.


Dude,
I would pay for a well-equipped charter boat for holiday,... but delivery of someone's yacht that may/may not be ready to sail, well, that requires payment to me. Yacht maintenance and delivery is not a vacation.

[Edited on 8-23-2012 by mtgoat666]

Nemo55 - 8-22-2012 at 09:57 PM

Would you say the same thing if it came to borrowing and using a guy's truck and trailer home, Are you saying that you'd bring his equipment back in whatever condition it ended up after you using it???
Somehow,i dont think so, and what i am expecting isnt much different.
But yeah,,i get your point about renting a charter vessel, however this situation is meant for those who want some open water adventure without all the Namby Pamby Rules and Regs of a Rental Unit.
Quote:
Originally posted by mtgoat666
Quote:
Originally posted by Nemo55
As to the condition of this vessel, i have no first hand knowledge, i trust the Previous owner when he tells me that aside from some minor issues, she is completely sea worthy.
and her Sails and Rigging are all in Good shape.

And Finally as to Insurance, she is uninsured at the moment, and as far as allowing someone else to skipper her, NOTHING in this life is completely free,,do you expect me to pay for someones Holiday (what i am offering) and Pay for the Insurance for the trip also??
There is not a Sane person afloat who would do such a thing.
In exchange for the use of my Vessel (no strings) i would expect the boat to be maintained and upkept, and insurance would be up to whoever skippered her.
(car rental agencies expect you to buy your own insurance, why is this any different?)


Quote:
Originally posted by Marla Daily
Interesting post. As you now are undoubtedly aware, a foreigner buying a US documented vessel must "un-document" the vessel, because documented vessels cannot be owned by non-US citizens.
Sounds like you still might have paperwork issues to resolve. Your post brings to mind several obvious questions which must have interesting answers. You are obviously hoping to live a dream—as are many who are drawn to Baja:

Just curious, but why are you "not capable" of delivering your own boat? Presumably you bought a boat you felt you could handle.

Why haven't you ever gone to see the vessel? Doesn't really make any sense. A visa issue is mentioned?? Ensenada by land to at least see and inspect the boat is a very easy trip.

Your posts here say she is a 1979, and your "for sale" posts elsewhere for the vessel say 1975. Minor detail, but still different.

Is the vessel insured? Liability insurance? Deliveries are expensive and time consuming and come with a huge responsibility. When was the last time the vessel had a survey? How do you know the seaworthiness and condition of the rigging, etc. of this aging vessel?

Anyone interested will want answers to these questions and more.
Best of luck and I hope your dream comes true.


Dude,
I would pay for a well-equipped charter boat for holiday,... but delivery of someone's yacht that may/may not be ready to sail, well, that requires payment to me. Yacht maintenance and delivery is not a vacation.

[Edited on 8-23-2012 by mtgoat666]

Nemo55 - 8-22-2012 at 09:58 PM

Hi dt

Yeah,,your probably right, thanks for the heads up..:coolup:
Quote:
Originally posted by dtbushpilot
Nemo55, hopefully you will get a reply from someone who might actually be interested in helping you get your boat to where you are, unfortunately the Nomads forun isn't looking like that place. There are probably better places to look for what you need.....I wish I could help....dt

mtgoat666 - 8-22-2012 at 10:02 PM

If you ask me to deliver your truck across country, I expect you to pay for maintenance :light::light::light::light:
Quote:
Originally posted by Nemo55
Would you say the same thing if it came to borrowing and using a guy's truck and trailer home, Are you saying that you'd bring his equipment back in whatever condition it ended up after you using it???
Somehow,i dont think so, and what i am expecting isnt much different.
But yeah,,i get your point about renting a charter vessel, however this situation is meant for those who want some open water adventure without all the Namby Pamby Rules and Regs of a Rental Unit.



Quote:
Originally posted by mtgoat666
Quote:
Originally posted by Nemo55
As to the condition of this vessel, i have no first hand knowledge, i trust the Previous owner when he tells me that aside from some minor issues, she is completely sea worthy.
and her Sails and Rigging are all in Good shape.

And Finally as to Insurance, she is uninsured at the moment, and as far as allowing someone else to skipper her, NOTHING in this life is completely free,,do you expect me to pay for someones Holiday (what i am offering) and Pay for the Insurance for the trip also??
There is not a Sane person afloat who would do such a thing.
In exchange for the use of my Vessel (no strings) i would expect the boat to be maintained and upkept, and insurance would be up to whoever skippered her.
(car rental agencies expect you to buy your own insurance, why is this any different?)


Quote:
Originally posted by Marla Daily
Interesting post. As you now are undoubtedly aware, a foreigner buying a US documented vessel must "un-document" the vessel, because documented vessels cannot be owned by non-US citizens.
Sounds like you still might have paperwork issues to resolve. Your post brings to mind several obvious questions which must have interesting answers. You are obviously hoping to live a dream—as are many who are drawn to Baja:

Just curious, but why are you "not capable" of delivering your own boat? Presumably you bought a boat you felt you could handle.

Why haven't you ever gone to see the vessel? Doesn't really make any sense. A visa issue is mentioned?? Ensenada by land to at least see and inspect the boat is a very easy trip.

Your posts here say she is a 1979, and your "for sale" posts elsewhere for the vessel say 1975. Minor detail, but still different.

Is the vessel insured? Liability insurance? Deliveries are expensive and time consuming and come with a huge responsibility. When was the last time the vessel had a survey? How do you know the seaworthiness and condition of the rigging, etc. of this aging vessel?

Anyone interested will want answers to these questions and more.
Best of luck and I hope your dream comes true.


Dude,
I would pay for a well-equipped charter boat for holiday,... but delivery of someone's yacht that may/may not be ready to sail, well, that requires payment to me. Yacht maintenance and delivery is not a vacation.

[Edited on 8-23-2012 by mtgoat666]

Nemo55 - 8-22-2012 at 10:12 PM

I am offering the use of my Vessel for Three Months or More in exchange for delivery,,,I dont think we are on the same page here.
If you where contracted to deliver my Truck across country, i would expect you to arrive in considerably less time than Three months.
After which time if you damaged it, i would fully expect you to pay for repairs.

No Sir,,we are most definitely not talking about the same animal here....
Quote:
Originally posted by mtgoat666
If you ask me to deliver your truck across country, I expect you to pay for maintenance :light::light::light::light:



Quote:
Originally posted by Nemo55
Would you say the same thing if it came to borrowing and using a guy's truck and trailer home, Are you saying that you'd bring his equipment back in whatever condition it ended up after you using it???
Somehow,i dont think so, and what i am expecting isnt much different.
But yeah,,i get your point about renting a charter vessel, however this situation is meant for those who want some open water adventure without all the Namby Pamby Rules and Regs of a Rental Unit.



Quote:
Originally posted by mtgoat666
Quote:
Originally posted by Nemo55
As to the condition of this vessel, i have no first hand knowledge, i trust the Previous owner when he tells me that aside from some minor issues, she is completely sea worthy.
and her Sails and Rigging are all in Good shape.

And Finally as to Insurance, she is uninsured at the moment, and as far as allowing someone else to skipper her, NOTHING in this life is completely free,,do you expect me to pay for someones Holiday (what i am offering) and Pay for the Insurance for the trip also??
There is not a Sane person afloat who would do such a thing.
In exchange for the use of my Vessel (no strings) i would expect the boat to be maintained and upkept, and insurance would be up to whoever skippered her.
(car rental agencies expect you to buy your own insurance, why is this any different?)


Quote:
Originally posted by Marla Daily
Interesting post. As you now are undoubtedly aware, a foreigner buying a US documented vessel must "un-document" the vessel, because documented vessels cannot be owned by non-US citizens.
Sounds like you still might have paperwork issues to resolve. Your post brings to mind several obvious questions which must have interesting answers. You are obviously hoping to live a dream—as are many who are drawn to Baja:

Just curious, but why are you "not capable" of delivering your own boat? Presumably you bought a boat you felt you could handle.

Why haven't you ever gone to see the vessel? Doesn't really make any sense. A visa issue is mentioned?? Ensenada by land to at least see and inspect the boat is a very easy trip.

Your posts here say she is a 1979, and your "for sale" posts elsewhere for the vessel say 1975. Minor detail, but still different.

Is the vessel insured? Liability insurance? Deliveries are expensive and time consuming and come with a huge responsibility. When was the last time the vessel had a survey? How do you know the seaworthiness and condition of the rigging, etc. of this aging vessel?

Anyone interested will want answers to these questions and more.
Best of luck and I hope your dream comes true.


Dude,
I would pay for a well-equipped charter boat for holiday,... but delivery of someone's yacht that may/may not be ready to sail, well, that requires payment to me. Yacht maintenance and delivery is not a vacation.

[Edited on 8-23-2012 by mtgoat666]

dtbushpilot - 8-22-2012 at 10:50 PM

Nemo, don't feed the trolls, it only encourages them to talk more smack. If there is anyone on this forum who it actually interested in helping you out they will send you a u2u message (look at the top of the page for it) otherwise you are barking up the wrong tree.

I think your offer is great for someone looking for a Baja adventure and knows what they might be getting into in the process. None of the people who have responded to your post (and probably nobody on Nomads) are that person. I wish you the best on finding someone to pilot your boat, it sounds like it might be a lot of fun. Please try to ignore the negative posts, they aren't going to be who you are looking for anyway......dt

Nemo55 - 8-22-2012 at 10:54 PM

Thanks dt
Understood, and happy to accept your advice.
Sorry guy's for stirring the pot,,entirely unintentional i assure you.

Best Regards
Alex
Quote:
Originally posted by dtbushpilot
Nemo, don't feed the trolls, it only encourages them to talk more smack. If there is anyone on this forum who it actually interested in helping you out they will send you a u2u message (look at the top of the page for it) otherwise you are barking up the wrong tree.

I think your offer is great for someone looking for a Baja adventure and knows what they might be getting into in the process. None of the people who have responded to your post (and probably nobody on Nomads) are that person. I wish you the best on finding someone to pilot your boat, it sounds like it might be a lot of fun. Please try to ignore the negative posts, they aren't going to be who you are looking for anyway......dt

NEMO55

captkw - 8-23-2012 at 08:44 AM

CK YOUR U2U

willyAirstream - 8-24-2012 at 10:28 AM

Alex
Google boat delivery. You`ll find free listings for crews, captains , looking for deliveries and owners looking for full crew, like you. Yours is not an unusual request. There are other sites that charge a fee, but you receive only people who have had a background check, references etc.

With this economy, you should find someone easily.

Good luck.

Ps find someone who knows how to use the caps lock key :(