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The OLD MISSIONS of BAJA & ALTA CALIFORNIA, book news and history chat

David K - 9-2-2012 at 08:36 PM

My co-author Max Kurillo and I met yesterday to make some 'final' edits to our new book, and Max said I could go ahead and share the news and cover with you all.

The book will be the first to include ALL 48 of California's Spanish and Mexican missions in one place of reference and some basic data on each, treated equally.

Most mission books cover either the 21 missions in Alta California (USA) or the 27 missions in Baja California (Mexico). However, that was not how they were established. The entire region was part of Spain and later Mexico.

The first California mission was not in San Diego, but instead at Loreto. San Diego was not even the first Franciscan mission or the first founded by Junipero Serra. Serra did not arrive by boat to San Diego as some have been told, but walked there from Loreto.

Loreto was #1 of the 'chain' of missions and San Diego was #19, founded 72 years after Loreto! There was a whole lot of history going on in 'California' before any mission was built north of the peninsula. The term 'chain' is not really correct, since missions were established all about as needed, and not in any order from south to north. It was over 52 years before the padres even built a mission above the halfway point down (or up) the peninsula.


Can you name the 7 missions on the cover (hint: 5 are in Baja)?

The book is glove box size friendly and spiral bound to lay flat on any page to make it super friendly to use on the road or at home.

Approx. 145 pages and some 160 photographs and maps with input from other Baja authors and Nomads alike to refine the contents. Many photos are from Baja Nomad Jack Swords!

Max and Erline have written other historic interest papers and published three books, including 'California's Camino Real and its Historic Bells'. Max was also the co-host with Huell Howser for a one hour T.V. special on the Historic Bells of the El Camino Real.

*We plan on having the book ready to publish by next month (October, 2012)... and we are offering an early order discount price... Sales details will be posted in the Classified Ads forum here on Baja Nomad.

Thank you for your interest in California (Baja & Alta) history!



[Edited on 3-11-2013 by David K]

Ateo - 9-2-2012 at 08:42 PM

Congrats David. I'll be purchasing a copy!

DENNIS - 9-2-2012 at 09:01 PM

Good for you,David. It's a fitting testimony to all your dedication and hard work.

Barry A. - 9-2-2012 at 09:09 PM

Well done, David!!! Count me in for a copy also.

Barry

Bajaboy - 9-2-2012 at 09:10 PM

Congrats DK...

DAVID,,COOL

captkw - 9-2-2012 at 09:12 PM

I will take one myself !! I have been to a lot of missions on the one day horse back away trail !! and still (MANY) some to check out !! (THANK GOD) ? have you been to the soleadad mission or more important the historic "pariso" hotspring nearby ???? it played a part of the chain/change of events in the "el camino real" and the missions in alta california..one of cali"s lost secrets you might say !!! K&T:cool:

Desertbull - 9-3-2012 at 08:02 AM

Very nice! Please sign me up for a 5 books.

desertcpl - 9-3-2012 at 08:15 AM

very good DK,, long over due,,I hope that this takes you on a long and rewarding journey,
sign me up for a copy also

ken/jane

David K - 9-3-2012 at 08:36 AM

Thank you Nomads! I will be posting the ad for the book next week after I check the edited copy. I will u2u you guys when I am comfortable accepting orders. Max got a P.O. box and we have an email just for the book orders.

As for missions I visited, I live right by San Luis Rey mission and I have toured San Diego mission. Max is the Alta mission expert. My specialty is on the Baja missions. I have been to many.
Tim, thank you!

DENNIS - 9-3-2012 at 08:52 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by David K
Thank you Nomads! I will be posting the ad for the book next week after I check the edited copy. I will u2u you guys when I am comfortable accepting orders.


Put my name on the list, please.

bigboy - 9-3-2012 at 08:57 AM

One for me please!

Taco de Baja - 9-3-2012 at 08:59 AM

Sounds like a good addition to any Baja library.
Thanks David!

Ken Bondy - 9-3-2012 at 09:01 AM

Sign me up David, congratulations!!

thebajarunner - 9-3-2012 at 09:23 AM

SAve a couple for me
D

Jack Swords - 9-3-2012 at 09:54 AM

Nice to see it finally out David! Good for you and Max.

Bob H - 9-3-2012 at 10:26 AM

Good for you David. Congrats!

BajaOkie - 9-3-2012 at 11:41 AM

Congratulations David, also Max and Erline - We look forward to the book, put us down for three copies.
Kevin

Ken Cooke - 9-3-2012 at 03:14 PM

What an accomplishment! I will be purchasing two copies - one for home reference, the other for field use. Hopefully, both will be autographed.

David K - 9-3-2012 at 08:47 PM

Thank you my friends... and I haven't even told you the price, yet! LOL

Seriously, Max and I think it will be a fair price for what is inside, plus we will offer you here on Nomad, an early order special!

I may show you a sample page when I do the ad... We will try and set up a PayPal for email orders, but we already have a P.O. Box (El Cajon, CA) for good old, mailed-in checks!

Those of you in Southern California can come to a Power Point presentation and Max and I can sign your books in person... will co-ordinate with Baja travel clubs and/or Baja/Mex auto insurance dealers. Be easy on us... we don't have the experience of great Power point presenters, like Graham Mackintosh! :yes::cool:

DAVID K

captkw - 9-3-2012 at 08:54 PM

DOES A JUNKIE ASK THE PRICE ?? MYSELF AM LOOKING FORWARD TO THIS BOOK AND THANK YOU...BAJA JUNKIE & RAT...................CHECK.......WHATS A CHECK ????

[Edited on 9-4-2012 by captkw]

David K - 9-3-2012 at 08:57 PM

Yah, I know... you should see my Baja book collection! Seriously, the economy is bad so we won't make it painful!

Way to go!

John M - 9-4-2012 at 09:26 AM

I'm very happy for you David - it's an accomplishment to produce a fine book (which I have no doubt it is).

Plus a powerpoint book release show? Let us know in plenty of time to plan to be there!

John and Barbara M

David K - 9-4-2012 at 09:55 AM

Thanks John, you and Barbara were great help in my compiling the details I was seeking to confirm... thank you again for your help!

I just got off the phone with Max (9:30am) and we are trying to add the 1757 Jesuit California map and a 1903 map of the nine Alta California missions founded by Junipero Serra, plus add another definition suggested by Carol at Discover Baja... neophyte... we use the words native, Indian and neophyte, so it was important that the strange word was defined! (Neophyte is/was a mission Indian being converted to Christianity).

We are very fortunate that so many Baja history folks have had a part in helping us develop this information guide to the missions. By cross referencing the data from several sources, I think I have been able to provide the best data on the Baja missions (as far as who, what, when, where, and why). As you may know, there is quite a lot of wrong or missing details in many of the books about the Baja missions... such as dates founded, number of missions, listing visitas as missions, etc.

Max and Erline were the fact finders for the Alta missions and had already a draft for some of the Baja missions when they invited me on-board.

With this one handy guide, the reader can have access to the basic data for the 48 California missions, numbered and presented in the order they were founded. In the book are four pages of books given that are about the missions, so the reader who wished to dive deeper into the history will know where to look.

The hardest part is dealing with typos, spelling, comma placement, structure... Max is doing his best to get it all right, but pretty much any book will have an error or few... I hope the reader will appreciate that the data is correct. Having written and published books yourself John, I know you must be all-too-familiar with that!

Thanks for your comments and your assistance!

Excellent!

TacoFeliz - 9-4-2012 at 11:58 AM

-- Congratulations on your new book David --

That is a great accomplishment. I'll be ordering as soon as they're off the press.

Jay

elbeau - 9-4-2012 at 12:13 PM

Very cool DK, sign me up for a copy!

bufeo - 9-4-2012 at 12:29 PM

Well done. Congratulations on the completion of your book.

Allen R

TMW - 9-4-2012 at 01:32 PM

Excellent work is not easy. Thanks to you, Max and Erline for your efforts in this undertaking. I too would like a copy when it's ready.

David K - 9-4-2012 at 03:02 PM

This week, I do yet another complete scan of the text with my list of fixes that were found by our many helping friends and historians, to see if Max got them all made.

We have added 3 old maps that should be good to be in this book to go along with the mission location maps... which are outlines of the three states of California and numbers representing the missions as they were founded.

We are doing about 30 copies this month, with 20 going to a special California historic gathering with the CAREM folks http://www.carem.org

Anyway, once I have seen the first short run... I will place the ad on the Nomad miscl. classified forum and will have a discounted price for early orders... the books will be run in October.

David K - 9-4-2012 at 04:23 PM

Here is an early sample of the back cover... part has been cropped off the top, where the price was given.

Max has other plans for the back cover, such as comments from other Baja and Alta mission authors.




David K - 9-4-2012 at 05:17 PM

Max confirmed we have added three historic maps of 'California'...

I have not seen two of them...

*A 1600's map showing California as an island.
*The 1757 Jesuit map of the missions (1747 data).
*A early 1900's map showing the Serra founded missions in Alta California.

I have shown the 1757 map here many times, but it isn't easy to see the small details...




The Map from Jesuit Padre Miguel Venegas's book, published in 1757 show the missions as they were about 10 years earlier. Three planned missions in the north were listed here as started and have been the source of lost mission legends. The Santa Rosa mission is shown on the wrong side of the peninsula, as Venegas (who was never in California) confused it for the visita of San Jose del Cabo mission of the same name.

David K - 9-4-2012 at 05:57 PM



I added an X for the missions as they are shown on the map, and added the names to help you find them.

In the north, San Juan Bautista ? is the lost Santa Clara mission near Abreojos and Santa Maria Magdalena ? is the planned mission near Bahia las Animas.
Dolores del Norte was the planned name for what would become Santa Gertrudis.

Again, the data used was from about 1747... Consag made his voyage to the head of the gulf and the Tres Virgenes eruption of 1746 is listed on the map. The La Paz mission hadn't moved to Todos Santos, where Santa Rosa mission was still operating.

David K - 9-5-2012 at 09:58 AM

No takers on guessing the names of the missions on the front cover?


QUETZALCOATL - 9-5-2012 at 10:03 AM

David it looks great-plz save me a copy, quick question- how much influence did Father Juniper Serra have on the Baja missions?

David K - 9-5-2012 at 10:48 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by QUETZALCOATL
David it looks great-plz save me a copy, quick question- how much influence did Father Juniper Serra have on the Baja missions?



Other than his founding of the 18th California mission, in Baja, not all was done in a good way. The Franciscans 'looted' the Jesuit missions for supplies, and people, to establish the Alta California missions. Serra had a cargo trail built from Bahia San Luis Gonzaga west to supply his new mission of San Fernando. The trail by-passed Mission Santa Maria, which soon was reduced to a visita of San Borja mission.

Once the Franciscans (led by their president Junipero Serra) saw the poor conditions the Jesuits were working under when they took over the California missions in mid-1768... they were overjoyed when Spain instructed them to get to San Diego and Monterey (areas only seen from the sea, before Serra led the expedition north).

Once Serra saw the land north of the peninsula (Nueva California/ Alta California), the Franciscans were 'happy' to give the peninsula to the Dominicans... who got more than they had wished to get when they petioned the King to co-establish California with the Franciscans.

In 1773 the Dominicans arrived to assume responsibility for the Jesuit founded missions, the one mission on the peninsula founded by Serra, and to build new missions between the existing ones and San Diego. Serra personally founded nine missions in Alta California after his first, in Baja California.

The Dominicans founded 7 Spanish missions or 8, if you count El Descanso (which was really a new site for San Miguel). Their 9th mission (Guadalupe) was founded after Mexico won its independence. The Franciscans also founded one Mexican mission in Alta California (Sonoma).


Okay... I got some work to do, and I am meeting Max maybe this afternoon to okay the last edit...

Once I am comfortable with the stage it's in for publishing, I will post an ad here on Nomad with the early-order details. Nomads who expressed a desire for the book will get a u2u, as well.

I am really excited to see this much interest in the mission history... even if it took a book (and not just my posts) to do it!!:lol::light::yes:

jbcoug - 9-5-2012 at 11:39 AM

David,

Add me to your list, I'd like to buy one.

John

edm1 - 9-6-2012 at 05:52 AM

Great work David, I too am interested in a copy.

BTW, I'm just curious if and how your publisher obtained permissions to publish excerpts of copyrighted maps.

David K - 9-6-2012 at 07:58 AM

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Originally posted by edm1
Great work David, I too am interested in a copy.

BTW, I'm just curious if and how your publisher obtained permissions to publish excerpts of copyrighted maps.


Thanks Art!

The mission locator maps (3) are made by me. The 1757 map is not copyrighted and has been used by other books. The other two maps are also over 100 years old that Max has added.

Bajalover - 9-6-2012 at 08:12 AM

Congratulations on your book David. Really excited to getting a copy signed. Please let us know when and where and PLEASE let it be early October because it'll be difficult to get to San Diego Before then. Will be in Borrego Springs 9/6 to 9/14 and returning 9/28.
Can't wait to see the book. Rudi

David K - 9-6-2012 at 08:26 AM

Thanks Rudi.

Don't worry, the book can get to you if you are not in San Diego!

BajaOkie - 9-6-2012 at 11:35 AM

Hi David,

I think I'll try to name the Misions on your cover:

1.) San Fernando Velicata
2.) San Javier
3.) San Luis Rey
4.) San Ignacio
5.) Santisimo Rosario (West of town)
6.) San Diego
7.) San Miguel Arcangel de Frontera

Looking forward to the book!!

KC

David K - 9-6-2012 at 05:20 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by BajaOkie
Hi David,

I think I'll try to name the Misions on your cover:

1.) San Fernando Velicata
2.) San Javier
3.) San Luis Rey
4.) San Ignacio
5.) Santisimo Rosario (West of town)
6.) San Diego
7.) San Miguel Arcangel de Frontera

Looking forward to the book!!

KC


Is this Kevin? New handle? Great to see you here!!

6 out of 7 are correct...!!!

#3 is an older photo of another Alta California mission... HINT: it is California Mission #31 (San Luis Rey is #43).


Here are the other correct answers and their position in the list of California missions:

1.) San Fernando Velicata #18
2.) San Javier #2
3.) San Luis Rey X (wrong)
4.) San Ignacio #11
5.) Rosario #24
6.) San Diego #19
7.) San Miguel Arcangel de Frontera #32

LaTijereta - 9-7-2012 at 02:54 PM

Here is a map of the missions to the north...in "Old California"
Good Luck with the new book David...


David K - 9-7-2012 at 06:14 PM

Thanks Kris... that is actually "New" California... The peninsula is "Old" California!

Here is the mission locator map for New or Alta California... The numbers are the mission numbers as they were founded 1-48... so you can see that the missions were NOT built in sequence from south to north as we were perhaps once told in school...


NEW BOOK NOW FOR SALE, AVAILABLE THIS OCTOBER

David K - 9-7-2012 at 07:06 PM

For ordering details, please see our ad in the Baja Nomad Classified forums... HERE:

http://forums.bajanomad.com/viewthread.php?tid=62335

[Edited on 9-8-2012 by David K]

David K - 9-17-2012 at 12:43 AM

The book's web site has a new look... check it out: http://oldmissions.com

I am very excited that we are about to release the very first copies and they are going to Baja California officials at CAREM in Tecate. The Governor of Baja California will be receiving one of the first copies.

Thanks for your interest and support of this project to show the California Missions as they were actually founded from Loreto and outward... from 1697 to 1834.

David K - 9-19-2012 at 12:22 AM

On the website http://oldmissions.com you can put your mouse on the book cover and see the back cover, it is a new back cover as of Sept. 18.

We are on FACEBOOK! Come on over and "LIKE" the book! : http://www.facebook.com/oldmissions

Thank you very much!

David K - 9-22-2012 at 12:23 AM

The cover photos of missions:

BajaOkie got the closest guess:

1.) San Fernando Velicata #18
2.) San Javier #2
3.) ?
4.) San Ignacio #11
5.) Rosario #24
6.) San Diego #19
7.) San Miguel Arcangel de Frontera #32

Photo #3 on the book cover is an historic photo of Mission Santa Barbara #31.


See the book ad... and don't missing getting it with free shipping and no added tax by ordering before Oct. 1!

David K - 9-23-2012 at 05:58 PM

Would like it if I could get Baja Nomads to take a quick look at our Facebook page and 'Like' it... I may be posting some views of the book there... but I need to know our customer base will be looking for it, so have a peak: http://www.facebook.com/oldmissions and Like us when you come in. If I get 40 likes, I will give you a tease of the inside of the book! There already is 21 Likes now... Thank you for your support!

Mission T-Shirts from Max

David K - 9-30-2012 at 11:21 AM

When Max came up with the boxes of new books, he also surprised me with this new t-shirt featuring the photos of all 48 missions. The 27 in Baja, on one side.... and the 21 in Alta on the other! On the sleeves are the flags of Spain and Mexico as they were most of the years during the mission period.





Would this be something we should produce? If we do market them (and other spin-offs from the new book), I will post an ad in the Baja Nomad ads forums.

BAJACAT - 9-30-2012 at 12:33 PM

already bought my copy(book) and also LIKE the shirt on FB..

David K - 10-1-2012 at 08:31 AM

Thanks José... Seems a few Nomads like the tee shirt! At least from the response on our Facebook page http://facebook.com/oldmissions

David K - 10-7-2012 at 10:55 AM

Our web host (Dick Van Bree, electraweb.com) has added a zoom in version of the 1757 Jesuit map to the bottom of our web page... North and South halves of 'California' as it was known about 1747 and published in 1757... All the missions active in 1747 are shown, plus three 'started' missions beyond San Ignacio (San Juan Bautista in the Santa Clara mountains near Punta Abreojos, Dolores del Norte which became Santa Gertrudis, and Santa Maria Magdalena which could be these ruins: http://vivabaja.com/109 ) Have a look at them, bottom of page: http://oldmissions.com

Book & T-shirt

bryanmckenzie - 10-14-2012 at 12:15 PM

Great work David & Max & Erline.It's nice to see all your hard work culminate in a "hard" document, not just a bunch of electrons flying through cyberspace. Nice T-shirt also.

I like that it's handbook size, intended as q quick-reference guise rather than a detailed tome (since there are whole libraries dedicated to those details), and that maps & literary citation are provided for further reference.

I'm only on #11, San Ignacio but continue to read a bit each, reminiscing about my own visits to both Alta & Baja sites.

I'll get you a copy of the (fairly complex) Google Earth Baja KML that I created a few years back, shortly. Something has gone horribly wrong with it (as a compressed KMZ file) and it bombs out GE --- I can neither open to edit the file, nor update it. Did you receive a copy of the Alta KMZ file via e-mail that I sent you?

David K - 10-14-2012 at 01:20 PM

Thanks for the nice review Bryan... yes, I have your email... been a bit occupied so haven't opened the file yet. What I am looking for is just a step-by-step flow chart of how to make my own GE map that is not connected with the one already on my PC. You do such nice ones and so I thought I would ask you for the quick version! Thank you!

Baja KML file fixed

bryanmckenzie - 10-15-2012 at 10:27 AM

I'll send you via private e-mail the repaired KML file for Baja Missions; it took about 20 iterations and manual editing using a text editor to get the bad HTML coding out; about 6 hours work. But better than re-creating from scratch.

As far as creating your own, especially if you are going to share your creation, you need to remember that as you link to objects (maps, images, website URL's, etc), the object must be "out there" on the Internet. Then the rest is simple coding to retrieve it into your creation.

Here is a sample for one of the "credits" placemark within the larger KML file. See if you can follow the text. It's pretty straight-forward:

<img src="http://profile.ak.fbcdn.net/hprofile-ak-snc6/187955_488104201199887_1102680592_n.jpg"><br><br>

<b> Thanks to following persons, companies, groups, publications & websites for their information (text, images, maps, references, locations, links, etc.) ... </b><br><br>

<a href="http://www.discoverbajacalifornia.com/missions/route.htm">;Discover Baja California.com</a> ... <a href="http://www.parks.ca.gov/?page_id=22679">California State Parks Service (Mexico Missions)</a> ... <a href="http://www.parks.ca.gov/default.asp?page_id=22722">California State Parks Service (California Missions)</a> ... <a href="http://www.sandiegohistory.org/journal/77winter/bajaroad.htm">The San Diego Historical Society</a> ... <a href="http://www.bajamission.com/baja_missions.html">;Dave Werschkul / Saints and Demons in a Desert Wilderness</a> ... <a href="http://www.questconnect.org/baja_california_missions.htm">Adventure Learning Foundation 1</a> ... <a href="http://www.questconnect.org/baja_gps.htm">Adventure Learning Foundation 2</a> ... <a href="http://www.davidksbaja.com/bajamissions">Jack Swords, Kevin Clough, Robert Jackson, and David Kier</a> ... <a href="http://www.timsbaja.com">Timothy Walker</a> ... <a href="http://www.baja-almanac.com">Baja Almanac Publishers</a> ... <a href="http://www.moon.com">Joe Cummings, Moon Handbooks 'Baja'</a>

Formatting color, alignment, bold, etc are simply done with tags: <b> or </b> for bold-on, bold-off.

Once it's made, you can angle the view and snapshot it, elevate the placemark into the sky with a line down to it, etc.

[Edited on 2012-10-15 by bryanmckenzie]

David K - 10-15-2012 at 06:00 PM

You are going to have to convert all that html into something I can see... Let's discuss this in another thread or in email... Thank you for your help!

More and Color Photos!

David K - 10-16-2012 at 03:14 PM

BAJACAT (José) had made a good request... for color photos of the missions.

While there are 7 color photos on the book cover (5 Baja missions and 2 Alta missions)... color on the 96 pages for each of the 48 missions is not financially possible in this book, plus pages for the maps, flags, and other illustrations in the book.

The solution!: Our book's Facebook page is growing and I have started adding more photos, both old and new and most are in color! Also, already there are the flags that may have flown on the peninsula during the mission period as well as the coat of arms for the three Catholic Orders who founded the 48 missions.

As of today, I have added several photos for the first 8 missions in an album of its own... Please have a look and remember to click the 'Like' button for the web page and any of the other entries you enjoy there, thank you!

HERE: https://www.facebook.com/oldmissions

Web site: http://oldmissions.com



[Edited on 10-16-2012 by David K]

http://facebook.com/oldmissions

David K - 10-19-2012 at 12:34 PM

On our book's Facebook page I have added over 50 photos of the just the first 15 California missions, so far. In addition, I just posted my latest research on the exact dates missions were founded in Baja California... I have the 17 Jesuit mission dates and the 1 Franciscan date posted, and will be adding the 9 Dominican missions next.

Thanks for checking the Facebook page out!

[Edited on 10-19-2012 by David K]

David K - 3-10-2013 at 06:13 PM

It has been nearly 5 months since I spent any time on this thread, that was started before the book was published... I have mostly talked about book purchasing, over in the Nomads Classified Ads forum.

The book is now in its second edition, and we just ordered more copies as we get ready to start Power Point (slide) shows at various clubs and locations. Please go to the book's Facebook page for locations and dates once I get them from Max. Mission San Luis Rey here in Oceanside just bought the last dozen I had for their gift shop... so I need more for PayPal and CC orders that I ship to. Max sends books to anyone who mails a check to the P.O. box at http://oldmissions.com

Facebook 'Likes' have surpassed 100, so please continue to 'Like' the page itself when you visit it.. that helps spread the word! http://facebook.com/oldmissions

In the book are all 48 of the California missions founded by three Catholic Orders (Jesuits, Franciscans, Dominicans). The 48 missions today are located in 3 states of 2 countries that make up 'California'.

Unlike most books on California missions, we don't limit how many missions are included in it because of some line drawn many years after the missions were built. Even by the time Spain separated Alta and Baja California into two districts on March 26, 1804, 43 of the 48 missions had already been founded. The final two missions were actually founded after Mexico won its independence from Spain. California (Baja and Alta) were just so remote, the Spanish sponsored Padres were allowed to continue with their activities to create civilization.

Each of the 48 missions, shown in chronological, order has an information page and a page of photos. The references pages are divided into books about California's Baja missions and books about Alta missions to help you learn more, should you be inclined. Maps, using the mission number (Loreto = #1 for example), show you where in today's three states of California the missions were placed. This further helps understand that there was no regular order or location as in from south to north for establishing a mission. We do use the full name for each mission as confirmed by multiple sources, and in the index of missions in the book, we use bold text on the part of the name that is commonly used today.

The data for each mission is brief to answer the most common questions and to make finding those answers quick and easy using the contents or index pages. We give the who, what, when, where and some of the why for each mission and a short bit of trivia on many.

The photos of each mission site also include some old photos or photos of alternate sites, as about half the missions moved one or more times.

One thing different between the three Orders was their record keeping. While the Jesuits wrote many reports or letters, which are great reading, still the founding dates of many of their 17 missions was limited to only the year or the month and year on many. Perhaps the full dates will be found or they are just not in any of the many books I have, or I missed seeing them? The Franciscans were good record keepers with their 22 missions and we have full dates for all of their missions. The Dominicans founded 9 mission, and 6 have full dates recorded.

I will use common names in this list of full founding dates (just the Baja missions here):

LORETO 10/25/1697
SAN JAVIER 11/1/1699
LIGUI 11/?/1705
MULEGE 11/?/1705
COMONDU ?/?/1708
LA PURISIMA 1/1/1720
LA PAZ 11/3/1720
GUADALUPE 12/12/1720
DOLORES 8/?/1721 8/2/1721
SANTIAGO ?/?/1724
SAN IGNACIO 1/20/28
SAN JOSE DEL CABO 4/?/1730 4/8/1730
SANTA ROSA (TODOS SANTOS) ?/?/1733 8/?/1733
SAN LUIS GONZAGA ?/?/1737 7/14/1737
SANTA GERTRUDIS 7/15/1752
SAN BORJA 9/1/1762
SANTA MARIA (at CALAMAJUE) 10/16/1766
SAN FERNANDO 5/14/1769
EL ROSARIO 7/?/1774 7/24/1774
SANTO DOMINGO 8/30/1775
SAN VICENTE 8/27/1780
SAN MIGUEL 3/28/1787
SANTO TOMAS 4/24/1791
SAN PEDRO MARTIR 4/27/1794
SANTA CATALINA 11/12/1797
EL DESCANSO ?/?/1817 ?/?/1809-1810
GUADALUPE 6/?/1834 6/25/1834

I am sharing this in hopes a Baja Nomad may have some better data than I to fill in where I have question marks above! Thank you as the quest for knowledge continues!

In the book we mostly just deal with the year of founding for the Baja missions, and only Santa Gertrudis was there some dispute between one author and all others, saying Retz founded it in 1751, all others don't even have Retz in California that year. Consag, working out of San Ignacio, actually found the location (he named it La Piedad) and began building there in advance of Retz' arrival to make it official.

Okay, so there's a dose of history for today!
Thank you!!

[Edited on 9-12-2015 by David K]

Founding Dates of the Missions in Baja California

David K - 9-12-2015 at 01:20 PM

Over the past 2.5 years since this thread was last active continued discoveries have helped update the information a little more on the dates the 27 Baja missions were founded.

Those with ? marks remain unknown and I welcome any findings any of you have to fill the list!

Changes from the previous list are in bold.


LORETO 10/25/1697
SAN JAVIER 11/1/1699
LIGUI 11/?/1705
MULEGE 11/?/1705
COMONDU ?/?/1708
LA PURISIMA 1/1/1720
LA PAZ 11/3/1720
GUADALUPE 12/12/1720
DOLORES 8/?/1721 8/2/1721
SANTIAGO ?/?/1724
SAN IGNACIO 1/20/28
SAN JOSE DEL CABO 4/?/1730 4/8/1730
SANTA ROSA (TODOS SANTOS) ?/?/1733 8/?/1733
SAN LUIS GONZAGA ?/?/1737 7/14/1737
SANTA GERTRUDIS 7/15/1752
SAN BORJA 9/1/1762
SANTA MARIA (at CALAMAJUE) 10/16/1766
SAN FERNANDO 5/14/1769
EL ROSARIO 7/?/1774 7/24/1774
SANTO DOMINGO 8/30/1775
SAN VICENTE 8/27/1780
SAN MIGUEL 3/28/1787
SANTO TOMAS 4/24/1791
SAN PEDRO MARTIR 4/27/1794
SANTA CATALINA 11/12/1797
EL DESCANSO ?/?/1817 ?/?/1809-1810*
GUADALUPE 6/?/1834 6/25/1834

*This is the date that San Miguel was moved to El Descanso. In 1830, new mission buildings were constructed. It is in dispute if Descanso was a separate mission or just another location for San Miguel. Santa Catalina was the final Spanish authorized mission in Baja California.

2012-2015 Old Mission Book News

David K - 9-13-2015 at 09:18 AM

Three years have passed since our 'Old Missions' book was first published, and we couldn't be happier with the level of success it has achieved in answering the questions of how many missions were in California, when and where they were founded, and by who.

Max and I have been invited to provide many lectures for clubs and historic groups, and even a car dealership (one of our biggest groups, thanks to Toyota of El Cajon) asked us for an Old Missions PowerPoint lecture.

The important fact that Baja California was the first California and Baja was not added to the name until 1769 when the name Alta California was first used, as a means to distinguish between the two areas. 18 Spanish California missions were founded over a 72 years period BEFORE San Diego mission was founded. The mission we had been told was the first mission!

Giving Baja California the spotlight for a refreshing change in perspective was one of our goals.

The Old Missions book went into a Second Edition with edits and updated data and photos of the last California mission, Guadalupe. We have made other minor changes or typo corrections as we have spotted them with following printings. Since we are the publisher, we print books as orders come in allowing us to upgrade the book frequently.

While we offer a perfect bound (typical book) version, the spiral bound has been far more popular as it allows one to keep the book open on the mission page you are visiting or studying. Call it a mission recipe cookbook if you must!

In the three years we have been selling The Old Missions, the price has not been increased. We have also added other books and created a combo package, with more books soon being added from the inventory of a former Baja book distributor.

If you would like to be added to our email list to be contacted with the new additions at M&E Books, send us a note "Please add my name" to our email oldmissions@gmail.com

Also visit our Facebook page (we appreciate if you 'Like' the page too) at http://facebook.com/oldmissions where news will be posted and many more mission details and photos are located that could not fit into our book!





Would your San Diego County club or organization enjoy a one hour PowerPoint lecture?








Max lectures on the Alta California missions and I lecture on the Baja California missions... in the order they were founded. This gives the audience an easy visual how missions kept being built in Baja after San Diego was founded as we exchange turns talking and answering questions. Maps are included to show where the missions are in the three California states.

A tour is planned for April 19-28, 2016 via 4WD van to visit 15 missions, cave art, mines, and more that I will be onboard, seats still available: http://www.discoverbaja.com/2015/08/13/missions-trip/

Join me if you can... otherwise, have Max and I provide your group with our slide show lecture... and do pick up the latest edition of 'The Old Missions of Baja & Alta California, 1697-1834'. Thank you! http://oldmissions.com

[Edited on 10-10-2015 by David K]

Baja is a land full of missions!

David K - 10-18-2015 at 12:29 PM



Spanish Missions Map.jpg - 110kB

This map points out the 25 Spanish Missions, and nearly half of these had more than one location where it was founded and operated.

Not included on the map are the two missions of El Descanso and Guadalupe (del Norte). Both of these were actually new locations of San Miguel and the actions of a lone priest after Mexican independence. They were not authorized by Spanish officials.

The Old Missions of Baja California are such a significant part of the history of the peninsula from 1697 to 1849!