BajaNomad - US Border Patrol involved in fatal shooting near border

US Border Patrol involved in fatal shooting near border

Ken Cooke - 9-28-2012 at 08:36 PM

CHULA VISTA, Calif. - A woman rammed a plainclothes U.S. Border Patrol agent with a car on a residential South Bay road on Friday, hurling him onto the hood of the vehicle and prompting him to fatally shoot her through the windshield in self-defense, authorities reported.

The lawman was in southwestern Chula Vista with other undercover personnel to serve a felony arrest warrant when the dark-green Honda Accord struck him in the 600 block of Moss Street about 1 p.m., according to police and federal officials.

"The agent ... was hit by the vehicle and carried several hundred yards on the hood before, fearing for his life, (he) did discharge his weapon to get the vehicle to stop," Border Patrol Deputy Chief Rodney Scott told reporters.

Area residents described hearing six to eight shots ring out. The woman, whose name was not immediately available, died at the scene.

Medics took the agent to a hospital. Scott said he did not know the extent of his injuries.

"But he was impacted by a vehicle pretty hard," the spokesman added.

The woman was not the subject of the warrant, Scott told news crews. That suspect remained at large in the late afternoon, he said.

Area resident Hector Salazar told a local television station he was reading his mail in his home when the deadly shooting occurred a short distance away.

"I just saw an agent with a gun walking toward the car and yelling," he said. "But the person inside didn't respond."

The Chula Vista Police Department was investigating the case in conjunction with the Border Patrol and U.S. Inspector General's Office, CVPD Lt. Lon Turner said.

Authorities have closed Moss Street from Woodlawn Avenue to Broadway as they conduct their investigation. .

FINALLY .................

MrBillM - 9-28-2012 at 09:31 PM

Assuming that the attacked officer comes out OK.

A story that turns out to have a happy ending ?

With a malefactor getting EXACTLY what she deserved.

DEAD.

vandy - 9-29-2012 at 05:14 AM

I dunno...

An "undercover" agent walking towards my car with a gun drawn and yelling?
I could panic too.

MMc - 9-29-2012 at 06:12 AM

Let's all build our case,on less then a 1000 words from a reporter who may or may not have been to the seen. How about some bad stuff went down with a officer is injured and a female driver dead.I tend to side with CBP but there is more to this. To bad we will never hear the whole story or the whole truth.
MMc

panic?

akshadow - 9-29-2012 at 07:49 AM

I think the statement is about another agent after the shooting had already occurred so driver did not panic.

Quote:

Originally posted by vandy
I dunno...

An "undercover" agent walking towards my car with a gun drawn and yelling?
I could panic too.

Taco de Baja - 9-29-2012 at 07:55 AM

Why are plain clothes, undercover cops serving a felony arrest warrant?

If a scruffy dude in a tee-shirt and ripped jeans, pointed a gun at me, and I had the opportunity, I'd likely try to run him down too fearing he was up to no good.

There is no doubt more to this story, but it's looking like CBP blew it on this one. If he had a vest on that said "CBP" or "POLICE" then the woman is the idiot; but from the info in the story, it's not looking like that's how it went down. Anyone can yell "STOP! POLICE! DON'T MOVE!" It doesn't make them real cops.

durrelllrobert - 9-29-2012 at 08:14 AM

From USA Today:

Border Patrol agent shoots, kills woman in Calif.1:54AM EST September 29. 2012 -
CHULA VISTA, Calif. (AP) -- A Border Patrol agent fatally shot a 32-year-old mother of five Friday in suburban San Diego as he rode on the hood of her car after she ran into him, authorities and family members said.

The agent fired after being driven several hundred yards on the hood, Chula Vista police Capt. Gary Wedge told The Associated Press. The woman was later identified in a police statement as Valeria Alvarado.

The shooting occurred about five miles north of the Mexican border as plainclothes agents were looking to serve a felony warrant in the area to someone other than Alvarado, Border Patrol Deputy Chief Rodney Scott told U-T San Diego.

Scott said the agent was stuck atop the car as Alvarado drove.

"Fearing for his life, he discharged his weapon to get the vehicle to stop," Scott said. No other agents fired.

Alvarado was declared dead at the scene, and the agent was taken to a hospital. His injuries were not clear.

After talking to investigators, family members including her husband and cousin told U-T San Diego that Alvarado was a housewife and mother of five children ranging from ages 3 to 17 who went by the name Monique.

"I love her to the fullest. That's my heart," husband Gilbert Alvarado said. "Where's the evidence my wife threatened a trained officer? I want justice."

Family members said Valeria Alvarado grew up in Chula Vista where the shooting took place but had been living about five miles away in the Southcrest neighborhood of San Diego, and they did not know why she was in her former hometown.

Hector Salazar, one of several neighbors who witnessed the incident, said he saw a man in civilian clothes on the hood of a black car aiming a gun at the windshield.

Salazar told U-T San Diego the man started pulling the trigger, and he heard about five shots. Moments later, other plainclothes agents approached the car, he said.

The person named in the warrant the agents were serving was not apprehended, Scott said.

The FBI and Chula Vista police are investigating.

woody with a view - 9-29-2012 at 08:17 AM

if a guy with a gun is walking towards you speaking to you you'd better listen, cop or not. 95% of the time the outcome will be like this if you don't listen. worst case he wants your car, but you are alive.

durrelllrobert - 9-29-2012 at 08:22 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by MMc
Let's all build our case,on less then a 1000 words from a reporter who may or may not have been to the seen. How about some bad stuff went down with a officer is injured and a female driver dead.I tend to side with CBP but there is more to this. To bad we will never hear the whole story or the whole truth.
MMc

This was part of the report on CBS San Deigo:
Some eyewitnesses to the incident have contradicted the Border Patrol's account of the shooting.

"The officer never got struck by the vehicle," said Prince Watson, who told News 8 he saw the encounter. "The vehicle was actually moving in reverse."
Alvarado's family members say they are demanding answers.

"I want justice!" shouted Alvarado's husband, Gilbert Alvarado. "Whoever shot my wife... he needs to get shot. He needs to get justice served."

BajaRat - 9-29-2012 at 08:27 AM

Need to watch Training Day the movie for better techniques

Bajajorge - 9-29-2012 at 09:12 AM

I was going to say, you're supposed to stop when told. I guess she won't have a chance to stop when told the next time.

Never disrespect authority. She learned the hard way.

Feathers - 9-29-2012 at 09:35 AM

Stop the car? It may have been safer (for him) to shoot through the hood and kill the engine.

Just sayin'.

[Edited on 9-29-2012 by Feathers]

LancairDriver - 9-29-2012 at 10:38 AM

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Originally posted by soulpatch
Having been on a number of CBP "incidents" and watching more prestigious and/or normal law enforcement personnel cringe at their tactics and resulting outcomes this could turn out interesting.

Some agencies tend to have more cowboys, for lack of a better term, than others.

A non-uniformed guy with a gun.... from a purely speculative point of view I would say she didn't ram him hard enough.

Agree totally. Why would a woman with five children who is a US Citizen want to run from CBP if in fact she knew who she was dealing with. She should have accelerated hard enough to paste him on the grill like a bug and then slammed on the brakes and run him over. Maybe they would be forced to re-evaluate their cowboy tactics then.

vgabndo - 9-29-2012 at 11:51 AM

Given that there are now 1200 radical revolutionary paramilitary "militias" since President Obama was elected, and since Tom Delay, (R) as his parting insult to America oversaw the lapse of the assault weapon law put in place by the Democrats, the possibility of being accosted by armed gangs of civilians is EVER INCREASING, and it may be for religious or political reasons, not just gang crime.

The Jefferson State Militia thinks that my Sheriff is on THEIR side, and he has every reason to believe it. When he the Sheriff warns the public to call him immediately if they see people in the woods with guns and camouflage clothes, he may be protecting them from marijuana growers, or protecting his brothers in the militia while they practice to take over northern California by force of arms.

I know that seven Sheriffs in the State of Jefferson are under Federal investigation by homeland security. With a little luck, Obama is lying about WHO is being wiretapped, and mis-directing the interest onto the foreign terrorists will allow DHS to get a line around the domestic terrorists. My local group of gunmen, as near as I can determine, would have had no problem supporting Timothy McVey.

An arrest warrant was served on a kid on my block a week or so ago. It is a huge tragedy that he killed an innocent man in a drunken car wreck. His family has been waiting a year for the phone call telling them where to turn him in. (They didn't charge him until he had recovered from his near-fatal injuries to save tax dollars.) They didn't call his Mom, whom everyone knows in our small town, they sent 5 M-16's, a 12 Gauge riot gun, and seven 14 shot Glocks, in six squad cars (five from the State Police CHP). This gross over reaction was by troops in uniform. I honestly do not know what I would do, especially since I am a vocal opponent of the Christian paramilitary, if I encountered a group of armed men in civilian clothes on a rural road.

I'm cutting the dead woman some slack, who knows what she was thinking? She also lives in a part of the country where the equation is complicated by warring gangs of racial thugs.

bacquito - 9-29-2012 at 03:15 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by vandy
I dunno...

An "undercover" agent walking towards my car with a gun drawn and yelling?
I could panic too.

I agree, the incident needs to be investigated throughly.

Cardon Man - 9-30-2012 at 11:40 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Bajajorge

Never disrespect authority. She learned the hard way.

That's the America you think we live in? "Disrespect" authority and you lose your life?

I will side with a dead civilian first. Chances are high that cowboy cops are to blame for this pointless loss of life.

pointless speculation

bajaguy - 9-30-2012 at 11:44 AM

Maybe all of you keyboard commandos should wait till all of the FACTS are in.........just sayin'

Killed woman's family weighs in...

Ken Cooke - 9-30-2012 at 08:59 PM

Family demands answers to Police shooting

SAN DIEGO -- The family of a 32-year-old woman killed by a U.S. Customs and Border Protection agent in Chula Vista on Friday is outraged by what they believe was an unjustified shooting.

Chula Vista officials said the shooting happened in the middle of the street in a residential area after a U.S. Customs and Border Protection agent was allegedly assaulted by a woman driving a vehicle.

ut, in spite of information from Chula Vista officials, Alvarado’s family has a very different story about what happened on Moss Street Friday.
Her husband, Gilbert Alvarado, is furious about what happened to his wife – the mother of his five children. He believes the agent who shot her overreacted.
"My wife got killed for no reason," Gilbert told NBC 7 Friday night. "Show me that my wife had a gun or something that threatened the guy’s life where he had to use lethal force against her."

get use to it

captkw - 10-1-2012 at 03:57 AM

gonna get worse !! usa is a falling !!

Intentional Omission?????

bajaguy - 10-1-2012 at 07:19 AM

Hey, Ken....you intentionally left out this part of the article from your cut-n-paste post..............

"Officials said Border Patrol agents were serving a felony warrant in the area when Alvarado allegedly intentionally tried to run over an agent. Alvarado was not the subject of the warrant.

CBP Chief Patrol Agent Rodney Scott said the agent was carried several hundred yards on the hood of the car before he fired his weapon at the woman.

"The suspect was armed with a vehicle, and literally ran our agent down," said Scott. “He was carried several hundred yards before he discharged his weapon through the windshield of the vehicle.”

Alvarado was killed in the shooting. The agent was hospitalized and his current condition is unknown."

Cardon Man - 10-1-2012 at 07:29 AM

"Witnesses in the area at the time of the shooting told NBC 7 San Diego they saw Alvarado slowly driving in reverse as the agent opened fire on her at least six times.

"As the car was backing up the officer was in the street walking toward the car, and discharging,” recalled witness Prince Watson."

This scumbag cop is a murderer plain and simple. He should rot in prison. But he probably won't get more than a slap on the hand.
Meanwhile an innocent woman, mother of 5, is dead. A woman who was NOT the subject of the warrant being served.

Let's review... cops show up to serve a warrant... resulting in the murder of an innocent woman who had nothing to do with the warrant.
TOTAL failure by the police to do their jobs properly resulting in a dead citizen.
Perhaps if they didn't fill law enforcement uniforms with dangerously stupid cowboys this wouldn't happen so often.

[Edited on 10-1-2012 by Cardon Man]

Pure speculation...

Feathers - 10-1-2012 at 08:28 AM

I believe the review should read:

"Facts unknown."

motoged - 10-1-2012 at 09:30 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Feathers
I believe the review should read:
"Facts unknown."

The facts might just confuse some folks... :wow:

J.P. - 10-1-2012 at 09:55 AM

The fact is a woman is Dead that wasn't the subject of the alleged Warrant. Buy the hand of a P.O.S. Homeland Security Cowboy. :fire:

New information

bajaguy - 10-2-2012 at 09:07 PM

http://www.utsandiego.com/news/2012/oct/02/police-woman-shot...

Be interesting to see what her toxicology report has to say.

Cardon Man - 10-3-2012 at 06:37 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by bajaguy
http://www.utsandiego.com/news/2012/oct/02/police-woman-shot...

Be interesting to see what her toxicology report has to say.

Yeah, if she had some pot in her system she deserved to be shot in cold blood.

Why are you in such a hurry to justify this woman's death?

This would never have happened if uniformed officers were serving this warrant. But no... cowboy cops have to play undercover just like their heroes on TV. And when innocent people get killed it's all justified. After all, that apartment was known to have "prior complaints of drug activity"... spare me.

Something is very wrong with law enforcement in the Unites States. This is yet another illustration.

Feathers - 10-3-2012 at 10:52 AM

Quote:

Be interesting to see what her toxicology report has to say.

Her toxicology report will probably just lead to more speculation. It really won't tell us how the situation unfolded but I can't find fault with your curiosity.

What I find most interesting is the knee-jerk reactions and biased assumptions being made here. :?:

thebajarunner - 10-3-2012 at 01:32 PM

No need to wait for tox report

The Wise Judges of Nomad have had their say,
all cops are bad,
all citizens are innocent (even ones with 2.5 convictions on the record)

Feathers - 10-3-2012 at 03:25 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by thebajarunner
No need to wait for tox report

The Wise Judges of Nomad have had their say,
all cops are bad,
all citizens are innocent (even ones with 2.5 convictions on the record)

All I can say is "If I ever get arrested and have to stand trial, there's a few folks here I would not want on my jury... for any reason."

No offense intended. I've told the same thing to a close friend of mine. :yes:

[Edited on 10-3-2012 by Feathers]

Life is a Ball ..............

MrBillM - 10-4-2012 at 07:23 PM

Game ?

Pass the Popcorn and Crackerjacks.

Don't FOUL and you won't be OUT of the game.

Court records show Tachiquin-Alvarado was charged with a misdemeanor of being under the influence of a controlled substance in 2000. The case was dismissed in 2003 after Tachiquin-Alvarado completed a court-ordered, first-time drug offender program. Strike ONE.

In 2004, Tachiquin-Alvarado was charged with a narcotics felony and pleaded guilty to possession of a controlled substance. She received jail time and three years probation, records show.
Strike TWO

Then, in 2011, Tachiquin-Alvarado was convicted of possession of paraphernalia used for narcotics, a misdemeanor, and received three years probation. Strike THREE.

+ (2) on the Agent ?

Batter (well, Driver) Called on Five Strikes.

Game over.

Cardon Man - 10-6-2012 at 07:18 AM

"Three Strikes" my ass.

Narcotics convictions do not justify being pumped full of lead. If cops didn't go into every encounter with the public like they were busting the frigin "French Connection", cooler heads might prevail. But cool heads and cops are like fire and ice.

How about this scenario... "hey look, that woman is taking off in her car"....
She doesn't stop when commanded. Let her go. Write down her license plate number. Either get on the radio and have another cop pull her over asap or find out where she lives and go pay her a visit. Pretty simple.

But NO!... Disrespect a cops command and it's code red. Big time. Public enemy number one. Open fire and show that felon a lesson her whole family will feel from now until the end of time.

Cops are dangerous and often stupid. This is fact. It's why they have a public relations problem with a significant percentage of the population.

J.P. - 10-6-2012 at 07:48 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Cardon Man

Quote:

Originally posted by bajaguy
http://www.utsandiego.com/news/2012/oct/02/police-woman-shot...

Be interesting to see what her toxicology report has to say.

Typical ex law enforcement answer , Shoot First and Look for Supporting Evidence Later.

woody with a view - 10-6-2012 at 08:36 AM

like i said, when a guy with a gun tells you to stop you'd better listen. fight it out in court or be dead. pretty simple choice....

Cardon Man - 10-6-2012 at 08:47 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by woody with a view
like i said, when a guy with a gun tells you to stop you'd better listen. fight it out in court or be dead. pretty simple choice....

That's pure crap. Stop or be dead? That's what you call a police state.

woody with a view - 10-6-2012 at 08:52 AM

i agree that those shouldn't be the only 2 choices. but in this case it was!

Cardon Man - 10-6-2012 at 08:53 AM

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Originally posted by soulpatch
Allegations

Well, well...what a surprise...

"Court records show the agent has a history of serious misconduct in his previous job as a deputy sheriff in another county."

Sounds like that fool has a history of being a bad cop and is now a murderer too boot.

Cue the cop worshipers to defend this killer.... :mad:

Geo_Skip - 10-6-2012 at 10:06 AM

Thanks Cardon...you nailed it.

All the immigrant-knee jerk haters need to eat their crow with good Mexican hot sauce.

DENNIS - 10-6-2012 at 10:21 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Cardon Man
That's pure crap. Stop or be dead? That's what you call a police state.

That's probably true, but one still has to respect the potential damage that a bullet can do whether he respects the shooter or not.
Tempting fate on moral grounds has its limits.

DaliDali - 10-6-2012 at 10:28 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Cardon Man

Quote:

Originally posted by woody with a view
like i said, when a guy with a gun tells you to stop you'd better listen. fight it out in court or be dead. pretty simple choice....

That's pure crap. Stop or be dead? That's what you call a police state.

Next time someone is pointing a gun at you...go ahead and pimp him off with "this is just a police state" and walk away.

Good luck and have a great life.

Lee - 10-6-2012 at 11:14 AM

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Originally posted by Cardon Man

Quote:

Originally posted by woody with a view
like i said, when a guy with a gun tells you to stop you'd better listen. fight it out in court or be dead. pretty simple choice....

That's pure crap. Stop or be dead? That's what you call a police state.

Some speculation here. Unless the cop had his badge on a chain around his neck, victim probably thought he was a carjacker (even if he was yelling ''police''! Reads like she hit him, he landed on the hood. In hindsight, she should have slammed on the brakes to get him off her car.

Personally, if someone in civies with a gun in the street told me to stop, I'd punch it and duck. I would take my chances and I wouldn't stop.

This cop looks like a cowboy and I'm betting he hangs.

valcoo

DaliDali - 10-6-2012 at 11:35 AM

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Originally posted by Lee

Quote:

Originally posted by Cardon Man

Quote:

Originally posted by woody with a view
like i said, when a guy with a gun tells you to stop you'd better listen. fight it out in court or be dead. pretty simple choice....

That's pure crap. Stop or be dead? That's what you call a police state.

I think that lady should have had, or at least had a slight clue, that the guy on the hood of her car with a gun pointed at her, "just" might have been a law enforcement officer?
I mean there was some goings on in that house she just came out of yeah?
LE types crawling around...looking all menacing and what not?

Well....she did have a jacket on drug charges so maybe she was "skunked" up?...worse things have happened.
Her best bet (too late now) was to just put on the brakes and call Kings X or uncle or some other nuances that would have kept her alive.

Much ado about nobody much

MrBillM - 10-6-2012 at 11:44 AM

Given the past record and likely future of the Criminal Mama, the effect on society is to the plus side of the ledger.

ALL Criminals are bad enough, but STUPID criminals are an even greater danger.

Even her kids are probably better off. NOW, they may have a chance in life.

DaliDali - 10-6-2012 at 01:36 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by MrBillM
Given the past record and likely future of the Criminal Mama, the effect on society is to the plus side of the ledger.

ALL Criminals are bad enough, but STUPID criminals are an even greater danger.

Even her kids are probably better off. NOW, they may have a chance in life.

You know Bill...a premature loss of life is not a pretty thing in anyones book....
Especially, a loss of life at the hands of someone wanting to, and getting paid to...keep you alive.

This woman chose her own demise..either through consious effort or brain oblivious, "skunked" up cells, clashing and fighting each other.

A simple push on the brakes, in face of sheer terror would have kept her alive.
Nope....she took the wrong path that night....from visiting a den of dopers, to not stopping when clear common sense would dictate "I better stop or I am dead"

Indeed.......this is a crystal clear case of "felony stupid" in spades!!!

[Edited on 10-6-2012 by DaliDali]

DENNIS - 10-6-2012 at 02:20 PM

Are they still going back and forth with reports of what happened?
"She took the agent for a ride....hundreds of feet"

"No... she didn't."

DENNIS - 10-6-2012 at 03:58 PM

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Originally posted by soulpatch
This is a woman with a number of priors.
Twice in the system makes you pretty savvy.

Who knows how many times she has been in and out at her age, especially with juvenile stuff.

WOW...all that and she still had time to be a model mother.
Wadda gal.

And CHANGE

MrBillM - 10-6-2012 at 04:37 PM

She Has.

For the better.

DENNIS - 10-6-2012 at 05:07 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by soulpatch
The beauty of being a human Dennis. The capacity for change and betterment. :spingrin:

She's still known for the garbage she hangs with.....isn't she? [if she were still here, that is]

Hey Frank....would you let her babysit your twins? :lol:

DENNIS - 10-6-2012 at 06:03 PM

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Originally posted by soulpatch
Nah, that was my tongue firmly planted within my cheek!

I knew that. Jes kiddin' wicha. :biggrin: