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California Gas to Baja

SteveD - 11-7-2012 at 03:51 PM

One more reason to visit Baja: Cheap California Gas. According to an article in the LA Times we’ve been exporting quite a bit. Think about that the next time gas prices rise due to “shortages”. From the article:
“U.S. exports of all finished refined petroleum products, including gasoline and diesel, have risen more than 123% since 2006, to an average of more than 107 million gallons a day through the first eight months of this year. Mexico was the leading destination…”
“A total of 37.9 million gallons of gasoline and 117.9 million gallons of distillates, including diesel, were exported in July via the Los Angeles, San Francisco and San Diego customs districts, according to Commerce Department and Energy Department statistics.”

For the complete article:

http://www.latimes.com/business/la-fi-fuel-exports-20121107,...


[Edited on 11-8-2012 by BajaNomad]

sancho - 11-7-2012 at 03:59 PM

I couldn't get the link to go, seems to me Mex
gasoline is different than what the US has,
might be just me, but I've suspected the octane
is less in Baja, I suppose the US refineries may
produce a gasoline just for export, as I remember
Mex is the country we, the US, imports most oil from
for gasoline production

thebajarunner - 11-7-2012 at 04:35 PM

Lots of gas gets passed back and forth across the border clear to Texas
Pemex has some elaborate swap agreement with US

mcfez - 11-7-2012 at 04:59 PM

Mexico lacks refineries. Most of the Mexican oil goes to the USA for refining, then back to Mexico as finished products that includes gasoline. It has always been this way.

BajaNomad - 11-7-2012 at 06:34 PM

More background from when this has been brought up in the past....

http://forums.bajanomad.com/viewthread.php?tid=50057
http://forums.bajanomad.com/viewthread.php?tid=49406

Ateo - 11-7-2012 at 07:42 PM

I know of no refinery in Baja. Storage tank farms.......but no refineries. I'm sure this has been said, and confident of that after skimming the links Doug just posted.

So weird......in the old days the propaganda (and reality??) was Mexican gas sucked.

Low octane was what I always read.

Now, many on this board say Mexican gas is better. We need a scientific study!!!

Just kidding.

BajaNomad - 11-7-2012 at 07:59 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by Ateo
So weird......in the old days the propaganda (and reality??) was Mexican gas sucked.

Low octane was what I always read.


Before Magna Sin, an unleaded gasoline, was Nova - a low-octane leaded gasoline. Much of the reputation of low-octane Mexican fuel stems from this product.

Ateo - 11-7-2012 at 08:09 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by BajaNomad
Quote:
Originally posted by Ateo
So weird......in the old days the propaganda (and reality??) was Mexican gas sucked.

Low octane was what I always read.


Before Magna Sin, an unleaded gasoline, was Nova - a low-octane leaded gasoline. Much of the reputation of low-octane Mexican fuel stems from this product.


Makes sense. Thanks for the elaboration. I remember putting Nova in my friends VW bus.................

AmoPescar - 11-7-2012 at 08:14 PM

BAD GAS?

Had always heard the problem wasn't so much the gas as it was the water that was in it. Maybe a result of condensation from inside the tank due to long storage periods caused by slower sales or maybe from water seeping into the tank.

I was always told to have o/h some of the water remover that STP and such made... just in case it was needed.


Miguelamo :?::?::?:

BajaNomad - 11-7-2012 at 08:17 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by AmoPescar
Had always heard the problem wasn't so much the gas as it was the water that was in it.


That too. And other contaminants I'm sure.

Sweetwater - 11-7-2012 at 08:20 PM

Is that not a Pemex refinery north of La Paz on the road to Playa Tecolate?

I would guess it serves BCS but not the Norte'.

bad gas in baja

captkw - 11-7-2012 at 08:32 PM

yes thats a refinely heading out to tecalote..the bad gas in baja usally wasnt water its was really low octane and crud in the tanks >>plugged filters like daily!! I used to retard ignition timing for folks daily..and alway used additivo..did not see much water but it also did happen !! there was a "baja gas filter" on the market for awhile that was a big funnel with cleanable filter and really helped to keep the crud out of tanks..10/12 years ago ca. changed the gas formala and coming back from baja on my first fill in a rv I noted less than 1/3 the range on the ca. gas...IMO..K&T

[Edited on 11-8-2012 by captkw]

BajaNomad - 11-7-2012 at 08:39 PM

The facility at Pichilingue is a storage terminal, NOT a refinery.

Tankers dock at the facility and offload product into the storage tanks there. The semi-trucks use the loading docks there, and most (or all) of the gasoline delivered to stations in BCS comes from this facility.

Please see the other links I posted previously for more details.

Correct !! at the curve

captkw - 11-7-2012 at 08:41 PM

TecateRay - 11-7-2012 at 09:20 PM

Diesel fuel is why I go to Baja - no not really, but... since it is good fuel and at least $1 / gallon cheaper I just figure an empty tank is a good excuse to go to Tecate and ride my moto. as soon as I get to a 1/4 tank I start calling around to see who wants to go riding. My savings generally pay for my day.

Oh yeah - I have also started running Pemex premium in by moto to avoid the problems associated with ethanol in motors not specifically engineered to run it.

Absolutely no need to carry gas to Baja anymore.

Bob and Susan - 11-8-2012 at 06:22 AM

i use pemex EVERY DAY...no problems

the gas filters are way better than in the PAST

as for premium...forget it
...newer cars computers read the operation of the engine and
comensate

times have changed...welcome to 2012

This topic sure woke up Doug!

thebajarunner - 11-8-2012 at 07:50 AM

You all should know that his dad was prominent in the racing gas business
So I suspect our BajaNomad knows this topic

Ateo - 11-8-2012 at 08:09 AM

....and remember, water and gasoline don't mix.

Water is heavier than gas so if water got into the tank, it would sit on the bottom of the tank. Generally, when there is a proper tank installation, the fuel is not sucked off the bottom of the tank, specifically for this reason.

Tanks are monitored electronically these days and the in- tank probe can detect water and alert the operator. Google "Veeder Root".

I love Mexican gas.

:lol::lol::lol:

David K - 11-8-2012 at 10:10 AM

You compare mileage of Pemex 87 octane and California 87 octane... Pemex has more real gasoline per gallon (liter) than what they sell in California... which can contain as much as 10% corn syrup, 'er ethanol and that may burn, but not with as much energy as gasoline. BajaNomad and Ateo are in or have been in the gasoline business... if you don't believe me.

Gas

captkw - 11-8-2012 at 10:30 AM

I,, work on $ 40k motors and have to know a little bit about gas/fuels !! Ya think !!! BTW eth is killing marine motors !!

[Edited on 11-8-2012 by captkw]