BajaNomad - Motorcycle etiquite

Motorcycle etiquite

dravnx - 11-13-2012 at 11:54 AM

Starting to plan a Baja trip on my 2012 Suzuki vstrom. I haven't nailed down the when or where yet. I've been driving to Baja for the past 20 years so pretty familiar with the roads. My question.....what is the etiquite for waiting at the border. Sitting on the bike for 2-3 hours just doesn't sound like fun. Is it OK to split the lane and go to the front?

QUETZALCOATL - 11-13-2012 at 12:00 PM

When I use to cross on my bike ( and as I have seen many if not all others do) go inbetween the car lines and cut in as close to the gate as you can-I use to work in San Marcos and lived in Rosarito so this was a daily routine- good luck.

Sweetwater - 11-13-2012 at 12:30 PM

I don't know about waiting heading south, we've always just driven through. But coming north, I've been encouraged to bring the bike to the front of the line. I'll watch for the other answers to learn if this is OK heading south since I'm sure my luck will run out eventually.

dtbushpilot - 11-13-2012 at 12:31 PM

Yes, that's the drill, just work your way to the front and cut in.

At Tecate I was directed by a vendor to drive down the left lane on the outside of the barrier and cut back across the barrier at the border, no problem, one guy actually held up a car for me to cut in.

[Edited on 11-13-2012 by dtbushpilot]

bajadogs - 11-13-2012 at 12:32 PM

When crossing northbound at San Ysidro make your way to the Sentri lane all the way to the right. You can squeeze your way on the right side of all the lanes between the cars and the curb. When you get close (within a few cars) to the crossing you can cut back to the left across the Sentri lanes between the posts into a normal lane. Usually the other drivers are cool about it.

Howard - 11-13-2012 at 12:34 PM

Don't mean to stir up the pot to much but why are you special enough not to wait in line and make me wait that much longer becasue you are on a motorcycle?

I used to ride and would never think of cutting in front of someone who has waited because I thought I was above them. Now pulling up to a signal between cars is a little different as it does not make the cars behind me wait any longer.

If I was in front of the line at the border and a bike cut in front of me there would be hell to pay. If you don't like the possiblity of sitting in line for 2-3 hours I guess you can always stay home.

El Comadante Loco - 11-13-2012 at 12:35 PM

Go to front.. No problems...

El Comadante Loco - 11-13-2012 at 12:44 PM

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Originally posted by Howard
Don't mean to stir up the pot to much but why are you special enough not to wait in line and make me wait that much longer becasue you are on a motorcycle?

I used to ride and would never think of cutting in front of someone who has waited because I thought I was above them. Now pulling up to a signal between cars is a little different as it does not make the cars behind me wait any longer.

If I was in front of the line at the border and a bike cut in front of me there would be hell to pay. If you don't like the possiblity of sitting in line for 2-3 hours I guess you can always stay home.

Some people are just natural born ****** Hope to never see in line.....

dtbushpilot - 11-13-2012 at 12:49 PM

I actually find most people to be pretty courteous in the border line. Most people understand that a motorcycle rider sitting still is pretty hot and uncomfortable and most motorcycles start to overheat if sitting at idle for too long. It's not about being better than or above anybody it's just courtesy, most people get that. I guess I could turn it off and push it, might save me from getting my a$$ kicked by Howard.....

bajadogs - 11-13-2012 at 12:58 PM

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That is downright inhumane to expect a motorcyclist to balance a bike while clutching at stop and go conditions in the heat with full protective gear while sitting on an overheating engine and inhaling carbon monoxide from your comfy SUV for 2-3 hours. Staying home is not an option. Until there is a motorcycle specific lane we will legally ride to the front of the line. If it gets you riled up you can always stay home.

BeemerDan - 11-13-2012 at 01:08 PM

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Cause its legal to do, just like lanesplitting in Ca is. The hell to pay might be you being sent back to the end of the line if a Mexican cop catches you harassing a rider.
Might want to rethink

thanx folks

dravnx - 11-13-2012 at 01:19 PM

Thats what I thought, just wanted to make sure. Howard, you gotta find something else to do instead of giving someone "hell to pay" for not wanting to sit in line for 2-3 hours in protective gear and an overheating motorcycle.
I personally would look at the situation as, "gee, look at them, what an adventure they must have had. Lets bump them up"

mtgoat666 - 11-13-2012 at 01:26 PM

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Originally posted by bajadogs
That is downright inhumane to expect a motorcyclist to balance a bike while clutching at stop and go conditions in the heat with full protective gear while sitting on an overheating engine and inhaling carbon monoxide from your comfy SUV for 2-3 hours. Staying home is not an option.

"inhumane?" perjhaps inconvenient and uncomfortable, but not inhumane,... and there are always options!

p.s. the SUV occupant is breathing same bad exhaust, SUVs are not equipped with supplemental oxygen supplies....

motoged - 11-13-2012 at 01:59 PM

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Originally posted by Howard
Don't mean to stir up the pot to much but why are you special enough not to wait in line and make me wait that much longer becasue you are on a motorcycle?.......Now pulling up to a signal between cars is a little different as it does not make the cars behind me wait any longer.

You can't have it both ways..... :light:

ETIQUETTE

MrBillM - 11-13-2012 at 02:03 PM

And just Plain FUN ?

Is to Quickly open the car door.

Closing it BEFORE a collision occurs.

Knew a guy who LOVED to do that.

It was funny.

Best to do if you're not concerned with paint-scrapes.

Sweetwater - 11-13-2012 at 02:28 PM

I'm forced to laugh at a couple of negative responses to sending moto's to the front of the line.

I would have never attempted it if not told to do so, make that encouraged to do so, by the great folks in cars and trucks who knew I could do it legally.

Interesting to get a bad vibe from just a few on this board... :cool:

Tbone - 11-13-2012 at 02:54 PM

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Originally posted by MrBillM
And just Plain FUN ?

Is to Quickly open the car door.

Closing it BEFORE a collision occurs.

Knew a guy who LOVED to do that.

It was funny.

Best to do if you're not concerned with paint-scrapes.

Also a great way to get your ass kicked.

Lee - 11-13-2012 at 03:12 PM

If a moto cut in front of me near the front, no problem. 20 motos, maybe.

DEVEAU - 11-13-2012 at 03:41 PM

I've split lanes in California for 40 years, would feel uncomfortable doing it crossing the border, unless it was real hot.

vgabndo - 11-13-2012 at 04:25 PM

Do I give-up my seat on a bus to a person who obviously is going to suffer a bit by standing? Well, Yes! And if you see me in line ahead, the space in front is always open to a scooter.

Dualsport riders as a rule have the added fun of standing on their tip-toes for a few hours while sitting on a 2 x 6! :lol:

KurtG - 11-13-2012 at 04:54 PM

Both Mexican cops and US officers have, over the years, waved me to the front or told me to ride to the front. On a couple of occasions a Howard-type has gotten confrontational and I just wave in the general direction behind us and say "that fellow with the badge and gun instructed me to do this, talk to him." It has always worked. Motorcycles are part of the solution to border congestion, not part of the problem. Been doing this for about 40 years now.

805gregg - 11-13-2012 at 07:18 PM

Go for it, I have, but cross at Tecate it will be easier and a better ride, and hopefully the envious drivers will be cool. get some TKC's for the V and you will be ok anywhere, I took my V to Baja, a great bike for the ride.

KurtG - 11-13-2012 at 11:39 PM

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Originally posted by 805gregg
Go for it, I have, but cross at Tecate it will be easier and a better ride, and hopefully the envious drivers will be cool. get some TKC's for the V and you will be ok anywhere, I took my V to Baja, a great bike for the ride.

Tecate is really easy for bikes, ride up the hill where the old crossing was then 1 block east and turn toward the border, it dead ends right at the border crossing entrance. Ride between the concrete barriers and you are right there. Sometimes there are Mexican soldiers or cops and they wave you through.

Since auto traffic has a stop sign before turning into the crossing it makes it even easier to slip across the lane.

A buddy runs the TKC on the front of his 1000 V-Strom with a regular street tire on the back. rode all over Mexico and Central America with that combo and loves it. Says it does great power slides!

ETIQUETTE

Gypsy Jan - 11-14-2012 at 12:27 AM

Thank you, Mr. BillM

Please, please, this is a message to people who post on the internet - use Spell Check to spell words correctly, especially when using fancy French words which do not even relate to your subject.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Etiquette

ddawson - 11-14-2012 at 01:11 AM

In my years of crossing I have noticed many bikers crossing. They normally just split the lane and get in line right before the posts. I don't have a problem with it.

Skipjack Joe - 11-14-2012 at 07:45 AM

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Originally posted by dtbushpilot
I actually find most people to be pretty courteous in the border line. Most people understand that a motorcycle rider sitting still is pretty hot and uncomfortable and most motorcycles start to overheat if sitting at idle for too long. It's not about being better than or above anybody it's just courtesy, most people get that. I guess I could turn it off and push it, might save me from getting my a$$ kicked by Howard.....

It's not a question of courtesy but of fairness. Howard is right. There is no reason why we should all wait 3 hours in line while the guy on a motorcycle virtually has no line ever. That's just not right.

DirkEXC - 11-14-2012 at 09:14 AM

I hope this keeps going. This is good. It was about 2 weeks ago 4 of us crossed at Tecate on bikes. I found out later David k was in the line at 4:30 about the same time we entered and he waited in line some 4 hours. Anyway we rode to the front had our registration and passports ready and were just about waived through. I think it took us a total of 10 to 15 minutes from the end of the line till we were across the border.
I would love to see someone get out and make a stink in front of the mexican army and CBP. I am sure they would at least end up in secondary for a couple of hours.

bajadogs - 11-14-2012 at 09:34 AM

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Originally posted by Skipjack Joe
It's not a question of courtesy but of fairness. Howard is right. There is no reason why we should all wait 3 hours in line while the guy on a motorcycle virtually has no line ever. That's just not right.

The SENTRI lane must really get your goat huh?

KurtG - 11-14-2012 at 10:07 AM

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Originally posted by Skipjack Joe

Sorry this issue offends your delicate sensibilities. Imagine the short crossing lines if 30-40% of the vehicles were motorcycles. You 4-wheelers are obviously the problem here, you take up way too much space in line.

David K - 11-14-2012 at 10:19 AM

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Originally posted by DirkEXC
I hope this keeps going. This is good. It was about 2 weeks ago 4 of us crossed at Tecate on bikes. I found out later David k was in the line at 4:30 about the same time we entered and he waited in line some 4 hours. Anyway we rode to the front had our registration and passports ready and were just about waived through. I think it took us a total of 10 to 15 minutes from the end of the line till we were across the border.
I would love to see someone get out and make a stink in front of the mexican army and CBP. I am sure they would at least end up in secondary for a couple of hours.

It was FIVE (5) FULL HOURS, thank you...

vgabndo - 11-14-2012 at 12:36 PM

Considering the the kind of poor choice a motorcycle is when used for the purpose of sneaking illegal immigrants or large quantities of drugs across the border, it is easy to understand that the scrutiny would be easier and quicker. It seems pretty intuitive. Plus, virtually every motorcyclist there is getting twice the mileage of a SUV, produces less pollution, less wear and tear on the road, and can easily move to the head of the line, pass in seconds, and provide more more space for the smoke belchers who may be hiding something from the BP, and in need of inspection.

There should be incentives for people to do the right thing. When one travels frugally, like a motorcyclist, there should be rewards to encourage other to do the same. As we spiral down into the third world, we will learn the lessons already clearly known to the rest of the world.

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mtgoat666 - 11-14-2012 at 01:01 PM

vagobundo:
using your logic, prius driver should be allowed to cut to head of the line too!

and bicycle riders should be able to cut to front also,.... but bicycles are banned and must use ped x-ing; bicycles are street legal -- ergo motorcycles should go to ped xing too.

it would all be better if our government would just provide adequate staffing at booths. when i go out elsewhere along border, i see that most border patrol staff is parked in an SUV on a ridge in boondocks, idling the day away snoozing or surfing the internet :lol:

KurtG - 11-14-2012 at 05:47 PM

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Originally posted by mtgoat666
vagobundo:
using your logic, prius driver should be allowed to cut to head of the line too!

and bicycle riders should be able to cut to front also,.... but bicycles are banned and must use ped x-ing; bicycles are street legal -- ergo motorcycles should go to ped xing too.

it would all be better if our government would just provide adequate staffing at booths. when i go out elsewhere along border, i see that most border patrol staff is parked in an SUV on a ridge in boondocks, idling the day away snoozing or surfing the internet :lol:

Last time I checked the Prius still had four wheels and bicycles were not motor vehicles. Don't know what they have to do with motorcycles.

I really think the issue here is that those like Howard, Skipjack, and Mr Bill understand that we motorcyclists are having much more fun than they are and they are simply envious.

Skipjack Joe - 11-14-2012 at 06:10 PM

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Originally posted by KurtG

I really think the issue here is that those like Howard, Skipjack, and Mr Bill understand that we motorcyclists are having much more fun than they are and they are simply envious.

Mr KurtG,

Stop the trolling and stop the provocations. Nobody is envious and nobody's "delicate sensibilities" have been hurt.

What was stated was that for one group of people to wait 5 hours in line and another to be wisked to the head is unfair. Just respond to the statement please and leave the rest out. This thread is about etiquette the last time I read it.

vgabndo - 11-14-2012 at 06:25 PM

Assessing fairness...is it fair for a vehicle which can't hide an illegal immigrant, or any meaningful quantity of drugs, and whose riders can easily identify themselves, to be forced to wait behind all other means of transport with their countless nooks and crannies to be suspected and searched. This, Goat, is why the threat of the Prius full of Meth disallows it from special treatment. IMJ

...and the fact that it can't split lanes; part of the original query.

Speaking of Worries About Smuggling on Motorcycles

Gypsy Jan - 11-14-2012 at 06:26 PM

Our late, beloved friend would ride down to Rosarito to visit us during the annual Hell's Angel Christmas Charity Ride for Toys for the orphanages in the area.

He had a condition, how do I say this delicately, that from an onlooker's viewpoint, made it appear that he had stuffed items in his pants.

He got tired of being stopped, questioned and taken to secondary, so, he pasted a full length, full-color photo of himself, nude, inside the cover of his passport.

From then on, he was always waved through, but only after the border agent could control his fit of laughter.

805gregg - 11-14-2012 at 06:51 PM

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Originally posted by KurtG

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I had 2 sets of rims and tires for my V, sometimes I would run a TKC front and Tourance rear good combo, I've now downsized to a DR650, a fun bike.

motoged - 11-14-2012 at 07:00 PM

Gawd.....

now we are going to get a diversion into "what are you packing?".

I am sure ALL HA's would have us believe that they are so blessed.

Mr. Bill and Howard....what would you do if an HA got in ahead of you????

I would buy a ticket to that show :lol:

My sense of etiquette:
1) Have an attitude of appreciation that I (motorcyclist) am able to be allowed the privilege of heading to front of line, and not expect it as an entitlement.

2) When in my truck, accept that motos, cyclists, pedestrians may have the right of way before I do in my truck.

In BC the "rule" has recently changed at ferry terminals so that motorcyclists may NOT automatically go to head of line (at least at some smaller ferry docks) unless directed to by attendant.

I am disappointed, but am not going to endanger a cager's life out of some distorted sense of inequity and resentment....

[Edited on 11-15-2012 by motoged]

ncampion - 11-14-2012 at 08:59 PM

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Originally posted by Skipjack Joe

What was stated was that for one group of people to wait 5 hours in line and another to be wisked to the head is unfair.

Didn't your parents ever tell you that life isn't "fair".

.

mtgoat666 - 11-14-2012 at 09:39 PM

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Originally posted by vgabndo
Assessing fairness...is it fair for a vehicle which can't hide an illegal immigrant, or any meaningful quantity of drugs, and whose riders can easily identify themselves, to be forced to wait behind all other means of transport with their countless nooks and crannies to be suspected and searched. This, Goat, is why the threat of the Prius full of Meth disallows it from special treatment. IMJ

...and the fact that it can't split lanes; part of the original query.

a naked man on a bicycle can't hide anything. a clothed fat man on a large motorcycle with travel bags can carry 300+ pounds of meth. what about skeet's naked dope smokers on motorcycles? :lol:

the guy riding the donorcycle has a shorter life span, so would be very christian to let him go ahead :light:

KurtG - 11-14-2012 at 09:45 PM

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Originally posted by 805gregg

I had 2 sets of rims and tires for my V, sometimes I would run a TKC front and Tourance rear good combo, I've now downsized to a DR650, a fun bike.

I've also got a DR650 as well as my old KLR650. As I age I find the lighter more nimble Suzuki more fun.

KurtG - 11-14-2012 at 09:53 PM

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Originally posted by Skipjack Joe

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You are taking this way too seriously! But seriously, we bikers do have more fun.

And as to the original post: the words "motorcyclist" and "etiquette" are generally considered to be mutually exclusive. I am the exception to that of course. I will be sure to wave at any car or truck with a Nomads sticker as I go past you in line.

KurtG - 11-14-2012 at 10:01 PM

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Originally posted by mtgoat666

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a naked man on a bicycle can't hide anything. a clothed fat man on a large motorcycle with travel bags can carry 300+ pounds of meth. what about skeet's naked dope smokers on motorcycles? :lol:

the guy riding the donorcycle has a shorter life span, so would be very christian to let him go ahead :light:

A little Christian charity is just what this thread needs, thank you for that. As to Skeet's observation, if you were around Big Sur in about 1968-9 you might have seen a naked dope smoking motorcyclist and it might have been me. My memory of those days is hazy but I was there, did ride, and did sometimes partake of the evil weed. Now, all these years later, I have gotten old and respectable and have earned the right to preach to others about the evils of their ways.

vgabndo - 11-14-2012 at 11:55 PM

Kurt, you know, and Gregg...I had to give up my DR 650 for the nephrologist. I highly recommend the Kenda 270 Dual Sport tires. For a hundred bucks a set, I could afford the slightly limited mileage. I learned to really trust those tires in a lot of different situations! A brother has his second set on his KTM 640. Loves em. I loved mine in Baja.

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luv2fish - 11-15-2012 at 02:06 AM

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Originally posted by Gypsy Jan
Thank you, Mr. BillM

Please, please, this is a message to people who post on the internet - use Spell Check to spell words correctly, especially when using fancy French words which do not even relate to your subject.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Etiquette

WOW looks like we have more than one " Howard " like disgruntled senior, maybe we need a nap, or double up on the Geritol, or maybe put the bottle down.......

dtbushpilot - 11-15-2012 at 06:01 AM

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Originally posted by mtgoat666

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a naked man on a bicycle can't hide anything. a clothed fat man on a large motorcycle with travel bags can carry 300+ pounds of meth. what about skeet's naked dope smokers on motorcycles? :lol:

the guy riding the donorcycle has a shorter life span, so would be very christian to let him go ahead :light:

With my luck I'd get stuck behind this guy while they searched his "nooks and crannies".... not a vision I want stuck in my head for the rest of the day :lol:

motoged - 11-15-2012 at 10:56 AM

David,
Who is that gnarly adventure dude in that pic? He sure looks like a guy who is prepared for almost anything....carrying all that excess crap

If I rode with a guy like that, I would hope he would at least slow down from time -to-time to let the bald old farts catch up...

KurtG - 11-15-2012 at 10:57 AM

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Originally posted by vgabndo
Kurt, you know, and Gregg...I had to give up my DR 650 for the nephrologist. I highly recommend the Kenda 270 Dual Sport tires. For a hundred bucks a set, I could afford the slightly limited mileage. I learned to really trust those tires in a lot of different situations! A brother has his second set on his KTM 640. Loves em. I loved mine in Baja.

Went through several sets of those Kendas, cheap and worked just fine. Now I'm using the Shinko 700 which are proving to last a little longer and are about the same price. actually, I lied a bit about the DR650, it belongs to Kathy but she lets me ride it from time to time. I'm in the process of putting together one for myself, got a frame with a bad motor and a motor from a wrecked bike that I am rebuilding. Going to make it a little more dirt oriented than the KLR.

dtbushpilot - 11-15-2012 at 11:10 AM

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Originally posted by motoged
David,
Who is that gnarly adventure dude in that pic? He sure looks like a guy who is prepared for almost anything....carrying all that excess crap

If I rode with a guy like that, I would hope he would at least slow down from time -to-time to let the bald old farts catch up...

Don't know, never got his name but when I finally caught up with him he had his camp set up on the beach with a 2 room tent, easy-up awning, full camp kitchen and was cooking a nice corvina that he had caught from his inflatable boat. As if that wasn't enough, after dinner he did a top end job on his bike and put his extra rear tire on my bike for me as mine was starting to chunk knobs. He was definitely prepared for anything

He looks fat but he really isn't, he carries his inflatable dingy in a bag tied to his stomach......it's obviously inflated in this picture :lol:

motoged - 11-15-2012 at 12:12 PM

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Originally posted by dtbushpilot

He looks fat but he really isn't, he carries his inflatable dingy in a bag tied to his stomach......it's obviously inflated in this picture :lol:

Must be a cool guy if he is into fishing :lol:

If I see him on the trails in Baja, I will definitely tap into his resources, wisdom, and panache. :cool:

Still one of my favourite pics of Baja:

vgabndo - 11-15-2012 at 02:02 PM

We had a way to go before we got to your shot, but I still remember the scent of the gardens as we entered the orchards and irrigated fields. ...the rustic grandeur of the aquaduct.

Pup tent and no pop-up on that stripped-down load! :lol:

dtbushpilot - 11-15-2012 at 02:21 PM

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Originally posted by motoged

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Originally posted by dtbushpilot

He looks fat but he really isn't, he carries his inflatable dingy in a bag tied to his stomach......it's obviously inflated in this picture :lol:

Must be a cool guy if he is into fishing :lol:

If I see him on the trails in Baja, I will definitely tap into his resources, wisdom, and panache. :cool:

Still one of my favourite pics of Baja:

"Who is that gnarly adventure dude in that pic? He sure looks like a guy who is prepared for almost anything".......he looks fast too.....

One of my favorites as well.....dt

Howard - 11-15-2012 at 04:11 PM

First of all, thank you for changing the substance of this thread as it has taken a lot of heat off of me. :biggrin:

I just voiced my opinion and was referred to as the following:

natural born ******

save me from getting my a$$ kicked by Howard.....

If it gets you riled up you can always stay home.

WOW looks like we have more than one " Howard " like disgruntled senior, maybe we need a nap, or double up on the Geritol, or maybe put the bottle down.......

#1: I always give up my seat to someone who is more of a need for it

#2: I almost never kick my dog :biggrin:

#3: I love my family, country and Corps

#4: I am the furthest thing from a disgruntled senior but I think I will take a nap after writing this

#5: What I meant by “hell to pay” was a VERBAL dressing down and nothing more

#6: I forgot

#7: What were we talking about?

LOVE PEACE AND TACOS, BUT PLEASE DO NOT CUT IN "MY"LINE JUST BECAUSE YOU ARE ON A BIKE.

Are we all good now?

Nookster - 11-15-2012 at 06:00 PM

I always slide out to the right and work my way down to the post and then slide into line when I'm on my motorcycle. No ones ever said anything to me or flipped me off so its always seemed cool. When I've been in my truck and sitting in line and a motorcycle slips by I'm always wishing I was on my bike. :biggrin:

bajadogs - 11-15-2012 at 08:54 PM

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Originally posted by soulpatch
I always get out of my car near the end of the line and grab a bag and run like hell towards the gate while throwing doggy treats at all the canines.
After that I usually get escorted right to the front by the professionals.
I beat the bikes every time.

I've seen you. Thanks for the diversion! You beat the bikes every time to the crossing. I get home first! :lol:

Hey Howard

Gypsy Jan - 11-15-2012 at 09:19 PM

If I could do a "Like" Thumbs Up here, I would.

I know that sometimes it's hard to detect playfulness and irony in a cold medium like the internet.

But, I don't mind if some Nomads misunderstand the conversation, it's easier to figure out than trying to decipher texts like OMG and LOL and YOLO from my daughter.

bajadogs - 11-15-2012 at 10:21 PM

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Originally posted by Gypsy Jan
I know that sometimes it's hard to detect playfulness and irony in a cold medium like the internet.

Yep! It gets out of control easily when we are not face to face.

Peace :saint:

motoged - 11-15-2012 at 11:14 PM

Biker Etiquette ....

bajadogs - 11-15-2012 at 11:29 PM

No man..that's Harley Etiquette!

NOT biker Etiquette.