DK

I looked at all the photos in that person's Facebook page and didn't see anything of Shell Island or close. What did you see?

Here are some photos and maps of Shell Island:















It is just sand... and the Sea of Cortez! It is our 'happy place' in Baja (or anywhere)!

[Edited on 11-30-2012 by David K]

I dont think the link worked for me

That's a good old fashion spit, which change constantly, David. This is what you've been holding up as "proof" that global warming is nothing more than a liberal conspiracy?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spit_(landform)

There is a salt flat behind the beach/ lagoon that does not shift or 'move'... It gets flooded by sea water during extreme high tides and storm surges... in the 1960's.... and 50 years later still the same!

I also camp next to a sand dune on the island, with brush on the dune that is still the same distance in elevation from high tide... almost 40 years at the same place.

The north and south tips of the island do change from moving sand, and if anything the above photo shows the sand spit island is growing... so using that logic, the sea levels are dropping! The beach does indeed move (some homes have been lost in the area), but the sea level is the same.

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Originally posted by David K There is a salt flat behind the beach/ lagoon that does not shift or 'move'... It gets flooded by sea water during extreme high tides and storm surges... in the 1960's.... and 50 years later still the same! I also camp next to a sand dune on the island, with brush on the dune that is still the same distance in elevation from high tide... almost 40 years at the same place. The north and south tips of the island do change from moving sand, and if anything the above photo shows the sand spit island is growing... so using that logic, the sea levels are dropping! The beach does indeed move (some homes have been lost in the area), but the sea level is the same.

Igor, sea level is a standard measure point... Baja California and Kiribati are both on the Pacific Ocean... I can go to a place with a rock (not sand) ground that is covered at high tide and uncovered at low tide, just as it was almost 50 years ago. If sea levels were rising, then this rock ledge would be covered all the time and not just at high tide.

Sand Spits at El Requeson and Alfonsina's still connect with the islands at low tide... again, if sea levels were rising in our lifetime, those island offshore would never again have the connection. Salt flats that are just inches above typical high tide... are still just inches above high tide.. 50+ years later.

Islands in the Pacific are sinking far more than sea levels are rising... natural erosion.

I have not been to the Republic of Kiribati, but I would love to go... I dig tropical places and islands... I hope I can see them before they sink below the high tide line! In the meantime, I still have the coastline of Baja to enjoy, and I can still walk places along the same shore that I did in the 1960's!

I am not a scientist, but I know what I have seen... and would take the word of someone on the sea coast with eyes wide open over someone in a government office, thousands of miles away looking at manipulated graphs to give an answer that he was paid to give. Wouldn't you?

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Originally posted by David K Quote: Originally posted by Skipjack Joe A. The people of Kiribati get their drinking water from rainfall, not groundwater. The saltwater intrusion is occuring due to rising sea levels at these islands. B. You stated that the sea height is constant in our lifetime or insignificant. Not so. The people of Kiribati would not be relocating if it were. To you it's insignificant. To them it's not. Igor, sea level is a standard measure point... Baja California and Kiribati are both on the Pacific Ocean... I can go to a place with a rock (not sand) ground that is covered at high tide and uncovered at low tide, just as it was almost 50 years ago. If sea levels were rising, then this rock ledge would be covered all the time and not just at high tide. Sand Spits at El Requeson and Alfonsina's still connect with the islands at low tide... again, if sea levels were rising in our lifetime, those island offshore would never again have the connection. Salt flats that are just inches above typical high tide... are still just inches above high tide.. 50+ years later. Islands in the Pacific are sinking far more than sea levels are rising... natural erosion. I have not been to the Republic of Kiribati, but I would love to go... I dig tropical places and islands... I hope I can see them before they sink below the high tide line! In the meantime, I still have the coastline of Baja to enjoy, and I can still walk places along the same shore that I did in the 1960's! I am not a scientist, but I know what I have seen... and would take the word of someone on the sea coast with eyes wide open over someone in a government office, thousands of miles away looking at manipulated graphs to give an answer that he was paid to give. Wouldn't you?

Yes, about the length of 1.7 cigarettes... I will agree that is acceptable in that it is still unnoticable nearly anwhere one goes. This thread started about Shell Island... and the ocean rises upwards of 20 feet or more, twice a day... less than 2 cigarettes higher is no threat, in Baja!

Let's pray for Kiribati!

Oceans go up, and they go down-------Ice melts, and Ice reforms-------always has, and most probably always will. Sometimes fast, and sometimes slowly-------depends ("it's complex") . The "science" is so necesarily limited in scope that it "proves" little to nothing, in this case.

Don't hold your breath waiting for "man" to change that, no matter what he does.

Also, in addition to "island erosion", there is subsidence of the volcano's that formed many of the Pacific Islands, accounting for some of the apparent variability of "sea level"..

What David says makes a lot more sense to me than other theories about this subject.

But, yes, the climate is changing--------what else is new?? Coasts are dynamic places.

Just my 2 cents.

Barry

on edit after Skipjacks comments--------actually, "land masses" are constantly changing, moving, raising and falling, but to us it is almost imperceptible normally because it is so slow and miniscule unless a major earthquake occurs like the one a few years back in the Imperial and Mexicali Valleys. We live on a dynamic earth where motion and change is the rule, not the exception.

[Edited on 12-5-2012 by Barry A.]

but then again many that argue against man-made global change claim Earth has only been around 6 million years or so. Seems like they get their news from BS Mountain.