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Hugo Chavez is Dead...

luv2fish - 3-5-2013 at 04:22 PM

Just to keep this Baja related, I wonder how his death will affect the price of petrol in Baja??. Ill be sure to send flowers....



:lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol:

http://www.afntijuana.info/informacion_general/16329_muere_h...

Oil

bajaguy - 3-5-2013 at 04:32 PM

Does Baja/Mexico get much, if any oil from Venezuela???

I know that I don't buy any Valero gasoline

RIP Hugo......

[Edited on 3-5-2013 by bajaguy]

Udo - 3-5-2013 at 04:41 PM

The king is dead...


long live the king!

DENNIS - 3-5-2013 at 04:48 PM

Hugo was a really nice guy and he proved that today.
DEP Sr. Ricardo Cabeza.

comitan - 3-5-2013 at 05:17 PM

Now the trouble starts.

David K - 3-5-2013 at 05:24 PM

Can you believe his died before the other dictator, his amigo, Fidel Castro?
Valero? I heard that Citgo (7-11 gas) was Venezuelan... ?

I hope for freedom to return to the people of Venezuela!

Ateo - 3-5-2013 at 05:27 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by bajaguy
Does Baja/Mexico get much, if any oil from Venezuela???

I know that I don't buy any Valero gasoline

RIP Hugo......

[Edited on 3-5-2013 by bajaguy]


Isn't it Citgo rather than Valero?

David K - 3-5-2013 at 05:48 PM

Comitan, check this out:

Citgo Petroleum Corporation (or Citgo) is a United States–incorporated, Venezuela-owned refiner, transporter and marketer of transportation fuels, lubricants, petrochemicals and other industrial products. The company is owned by PDV America, Inc., an indirect wholly owned subsidiary of Petróleos de Venezuela, S.A., the national oil company of Venezuela.

Oh, and some good news:

Texaco sold some Citgo gas stations in the southeast when Chevron gained exclusive rights to the Texaco brand name in the U.S. on June, 2006. On September 27, 2006 the 7-Eleven chain of convenience stores, a South African-owned company, announced its 20-year contract with Citgo was coming to an end and would not be renewed. 7-Eleven Spokeswoman Margaret Chabris said "Regardless of politics, we sympathize with many Americans' concern over derogatory comments about our country and its leadership recently made by Venezuela's president. Certainly Chavez' position and statements over the past year or so didn't tempt us to stay with Citgo.

[Edited on 3-6-2013 by David K]

Citgo

bajaguy - 3-5-2013 at 05:57 PM

I don't buy gas at 7-11, but do like their coffee

David K - 3-5-2013 at 06:07 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by bajaguy
Does Baja/Mexico get much, if any oil from Venezuela???

I know that I don't buy any Valero gasoline

RIP Hugo......

[Edited on 3-5-2013 by bajaguy]


Valero looks about as American as Apple Pie (and the Alamo)?:

Valero was created on January 1, 1980,[3] as a spinoff of Coastal States Gas Corporation. At the time, it was the largest corporate spinoff in U.S. history. Valero took over the natural gas operations of the LoVaca Gathering Company, a defunct subsidiary of Coastal States Gas. The name Valero comes from Misión San Antonio de Valero, which today is better known worldwide as The Alamo.

Valero acquired a small oil refinery in Corpus Christi, Texas in 1981, and began refining operations in 1984.
In 1997, Valero spun off its refinery and retail divisions into a separate company, which kept the Valero name. At the same time, the remaining divisions, which consisted primarily of natural gas operations, were acquired by the Pacific Gas and Electric Company. Later that year, the firm acquired Basis Petroleum, which left it with four refineries in Texas and Louisiana. In 1998, it then acquired a Paulsboro, New Jersey, refinery, the company's first outside of the Gulf Coast area.

In 2000, Valero purchased ExxonMobil's Benicia, California, refinery and interest in 350 Exxon-branded service stations in California, mainly in the San Francisco Bay Area. The company also began retailing gasoline under the Valero brand. In June 2001, Valero acquired the Huntway Refining Company, along with two asphalt plants on the West Coast.

On December 31, 2001, Valero completed its acquisition of Ultramar Diamond Shamrock. The merger left Valero with over 4,700 Ultramar, Diamond Shamrock, and Beacon retail sites in the United States, Canada, and the Caribbean. With this acquisition, Valero also received ownership of Shamrock Logistics L.P., which was renamed Valero L.P. In 2006, the division was spun off as NuStar Energy. Starting in 2002, Valero has expanded its marketing to the East Coast, specifically the Northeast and Florida, using the Valero brand. The acquisition also includes all past Diamond Shamrock assets, including the former Sigmor Petroleum assets founded by Thomas E. Turner, founder of TETCO Inc. (the Sigmor brand name was the initials of Sigfried Moore, Turner's former employer) which merged with Shamrock Oil and Gas in 1960 forming Sigmor Shamrock - which was merged into Diamond Shamrock in 1982. Turner later repurchased Mission Petroleum Carriers when it was acquired by Diamond Shamrock which was the foundation of TETCO. [4] and the business portfolio of the former National Convenience Stores, which was acquired by Diamond Shamrock in November 1995.[5]

On April 25, 2005, Valero agreed to buy Premcor, Inc., for $8 billion in cash and stock to become the largest U.S. refinery, as record prices for gasoline and other fuel boosted profits. On June 30, 2005, Valero announced that it was beginning a two-year process of converting Diamond Shamrock stations to the Valero brand. In the next year, on May 5, 2008, Valero agreed to buy 72 Albertsons gas stations.

OOP's

bajaguy - 3-5-2013 at 07:07 PM

My bad.........ok, Valero is on the good guy list. Can't go against the Alamo..........and i still like 7-11 coffee!!!! :lol:

[Edited on 3-6-2013 by bajaguy]

Michael Moore- where are you

thebajarunner - 3-5-2013 at 09:27 PM

Perhaps you can win another Academy Award on the quality of Cuban medicine.....

Then again, perhaps not.

Good riddance, I say,

My father always said to speak well of the dead.

Well, he is dead, all is well!!

luv2fish - 3-5-2013 at 10:09 PM

And the confusion and speculation begin. It appears the Venezolanos cant figure out who is in charge. I hope this don't turn into a big power struggle / revolution.

http://www.el-mexicano.com.mx/informacion/0/0/2013/03/05/657...

Islandbuilder - 3-5-2013 at 10:14 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by luv2fish
And the confusion and speculation begin. It appears the Venezolanos cant figure out who is in charge. I hope this don't turn into a big power struggle / revolution.

http://www.el-mexicano.com.mx/informacion/0/0/2013/03/05/657...


yep, It's in the vacuumes of power that chaos thrives. The stonger the leader, the greater the chaos.

Bajaboy - 3-5-2013 at 10:20 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by David K
Can you believe his died before the other dictator, his amigo, Fidel Castro?
Valero? I heard that Citgo (7-11 gas) was Venezuelan... ?

I hope for freedom to return to the people of Venezuela!


Venezuela is a Federal Republic and the President is elected by the people. The last dictator served until 1958.

SFandH - 3-5-2013 at 10:28 PM

CARACAS, Venezuela — Subway commuters cried on their trains. Drivers blasted their horns in grief. The government called for seven days of national mourning.

Meanwhile, other residents of the Venezuelan capital jammed into Plaza Bolivar and asked that President Hugo Chavez's body be brought to them there, in the colonial heart of the country he had transformed — for better or worse — with his outsized personality and unique brand of pan-Latin petro-socialism.

"Chavez vive!" they chanted. Chavez lives. "La lucha sigue!" The struggle continues.

LA Times

David K - 3-5-2013 at 10:33 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by Bajaboy
Quote:
Originally posted by David K
Can you believe his died before the other dictator, his amigo, Fidel Castro?
Valero? I heard that Citgo (7-11 gas) was Venezuelan... ?

I hope for freedom to return to the people of Venezuela!


Venezuela is a Federal Republic and the President is elected by the people. The last dictator served until 1958.


LOL! So a fourth term after he changed the constitution with opposition and un-favorable press banned is not a dictator? LOL

Bajaboy - 3-5-2013 at 10:42 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by David K
Quote:
Originally posted by Bajaboy
Quote:
Originally posted by David K
Can you believe his died before the other dictator, his amigo, Fidel Castro?
Valero? I heard that Citgo (7-11 gas) was Venezuelan... ?

I hope for freedom to return to the people of Venezuela!


Venezuela is a Federal Republic and the President is elected by the people. The last dictator served until 1958.


LOL! So a fourth term after he changed the constitution with opposition and un-favorable press banned is not a dictator? LOL


just stating the facts:yes:

DianaT - 3-5-2013 at 11:25 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by David K


Valero looks about as American as Apple Pie (and the Alamo)?:

Valero was created on January 1, 1980,[3] as a spinoff of Coastal States Gas Corporation. At the time, it was the largest corporate spinoff in U.S. history. Valero took over the natural gas operations of the LoVaca Gathering Company, a defunct subsidiary of Coastal States Gas. The name Valero comes from Misión San Antonio de Valero, which today is better known worldwide as The Alamo.

Valero acquired a small oil refinery in Corpus Christi, Texas in 1981, and began refining operations in 1984.
In 1997, Valero spun off its refinery and retail divisions into a separate company, which kept the Valero name. At the same time, the remaining divisions, which consisted primarily of natural gas operations, were acquired by the Pacific Gas and Electric Company. Later that year, the firm acquired Basis Petroleum, which left it with four refineries in Texas and Louisiana. In 1998, it then acquired a Paulsboro, New Jersey, refinery, the company's first outside of the Gulf Coast area.

In 2000, Valero purchased ExxonMobil's Benicia, California, refinery and interest in 350 Exxon-branded service stations in California, mainly in the San Francisco Bay Area. The company also began retailing gasoline under the Valero brand. In June 2001, Valero acquired the Huntway Refining Company, along with two asphalt plants on the West Coast.

On December 31, 2001, Valero completed its acquisition of Ultramar Diamond Shamrock. The merger left Valero with over 4,700 Ultramar, Diamond Shamrock, and Beacon retail sites in the United States, Canada, and the Caribbean. With this acquisition, Valero also received ownership of Shamrock Logistics L.P., which was renamed Valero L.P. In 2006, the division was spun off as NuStar Energy. Starting in 2002, Valero has expanded its marketing to the East Coast, specifically the Northeast and Florida, using the Valero brand. The acquisition also includes all past Diamond Shamrock assets, including the former Sigmor Petroleum assets founded by Thomas E. Turner, founder of TETCO Inc. (the Sigmor brand name was the initials of Sigfried Moore, Turner's former employer) which merged with Shamrock Oil and Gas in 1960 forming Sigmor Shamrock - which was merged into Diamond Shamrock in 1982. Turner later repurchased Mission Petroleum Carriers when it was acquired by Diamond Shamrock which was the foundation of TETCO. [4] and the business portfolio of the former National Convenience Stores, which was acquired by Diamond Shamrock in November 1995.[5]

On April 25, 2005, Valero agreed to buy Premcor, Inc., for $8 billion in cash and stock to become the largest U.S. refinery, as record prices for gasoline and other fuel boosted profits. On June 30, 2005, Valero announced that it was beginning a two-year process of converting Diamond Shamrock stations to the Valero brand. In the next year, on May 5, 2008, Valero agreed to buy 72 Albertsons gas stations.


You don't reference and credit things you cut and paste? You just post it as if you wrote it? Besides, while Wikipedia is a often a good starting point, it all needs to be cross-referenced. Wikipedia is definitely not the place to find all the "facts"

David K - 3-5-2013 at 11:31 PM

Here you go: http://www.ask.com/wiki/Valero_Energy_Corporation

DianaT - 3-5-2013 at 11:38 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by David K
Here you go: http://www.ask.com/wiki/Valero_Energy_Corporation


Dense, simply dense. :rolleyes:

David K - 3-5-2013 at 11:42 PM

Liberals always stoop to name calling when they get frustrated... I am sorry you like to single me out Diana, but I just gave you what you couldn't find or needed me to provide... It was so obvious it was a post on Wiki, with the footnote tabs, I didn't dream you couldn't see it wasn't my personal information ... so, you're welcome. :rolleyes:

DianaT - 3-5-2013 at 11:55 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by David K
Liberals always stoop to name calling when they get frustrated... I am sorry you like to single me out Diana, but I just gave you what you couldn't find or needed me to provide... It was so obvious it was a post on Wiki, with the footnote tabs, I didn't dream you couldn't see it wasn't my personal information ... so, you're welcome. :rolleyes:


Frustrated? No. And of course it was easy to see that it was NOT your writing and VERY easy to trace the source. A simple google of the first line led to Wikipedia.

It is a matter of honesty, and especially important for someone who thinks of one's self as a "researcher" of any type. IF one quotes the work of others, they reference it or it becomes plagiarism.

This is not a liberal or a conservative idea, nor is it a liberal or conservative idea that Wikipedia is a starting point and needs to be crossed referenced and fact checked in many ways.

David K - 3-6-2013 at 12:09 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by DianaT
Quote:
Originally posted by David K
Liberals always stoop to name calling when they get frustrated... I am sorry you like to single me out Diana, but I just gave you what you couldn't find or needed me to provide... It was so obvious it was a post on Wiki, with the footnote tabs, I didn't dream you couldn't see it wasn't my personal information ... so, you're welcome. :rolleyes:


Frustrated? No. And of course it was easy to see that it was NOT your writing and VERY easy to trace the source. A simple google of the first line led to Wikipedia.

It is a matter of honesty, and especially important for someone who thinks of one's self as a "researcher" of any type. IF one quotes the work of others, they reference it or it becomes plagiarism.

This is not a liberal or a conservative idea, nor is it a liberal or conservative idea that Wikipedia is a starting point and needs to be crossed referenced and fact checked in many ways.


Yes, and to me proving Chavez is a dictator or that Citgo (not Valero) is a Venezuelan owned company is just NOT THAT IMPORTANT to me to put any effort more than I did... This is a discussion forum not a reference book... As you can see, I am more than happy to provide my sources and never make something look like it is my writing, if it isn't.

grizzlyfsh95 - 3-6-2013 at 07:31 AM

Sean Penn must be heartbroken now that his pet latin is room temperature. He can comiserate with Rodman.

Bajaboy - 3-6-2013 at 07:37 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by David K
Quote:
Originally posted by DianaT
Quote:
Originally posted by David K
Liberals always stoop to name calling when they get frustrated... I am sorry you like to single me out Diana, but I just gave you what you couldn't find or needed me to provide... It was so obvious it was a post on Wiki, with the footnote tabs, I didn't dream you couldn't see it wasn't my personal information ... so, you're welcome. :rolleyes:


Frustrated? No. And of course it was easy to see that it was NOT your writing and VERY easy to trace the source. A simple google of the first line led to Wikipedia.

It is a matter of honesty, and especially important for someone who thinks of one's self as a "researcher" of any type. IF one quotes the work of others, they reference it or it becomes plagiarism.

This is not a liberal or a conservative idea, nor is it a liberal or conservative idea that Wikipedia is a starting point and needs to be crossed referenced and fact checked in many ways.


Yes, and to me proving Chavez is a dictator


There you go again...trying to sound like Hannity.....claiming something as fact which in reality is a flat our lie....Chavez was not a dictator. He was elected by the people of his country.

rts551 - 3-6-2013 at 09:40 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by David K
Quote:
Originally posted by DianaT
Quote:
Originally posted by David K
Liberals always stoop to name calling when they get frustrated... I am sorry you like to single me out Diana, but I just gave you what you couldn't find or needed me to provide... It was so obvious it was a post on Wiki, with the footnote tabs, I didn't dream you couldn't see it wasn't my personal information ... so, you're welcome. :rolleyes:


Frustrated? No. And of course it was easy to see that it was NOT your writing and VERY easy to trace the source. A simple google of the first line led to Wikipedia.

It is a matter of honesty, and especially important for someone who thinks of one's self as a "researcher" of any type. IF one quotes the work of others, they reference it or it becomes plagiarism.

This is not a liberal or a conservative idea, nor is it a liberal or conservative idea that Wikipedia is a starting point and needs to be crossed referenced and fact checked in many ways.


Yes, and to me proving Chavez is a dictator or that Citgo (not Valero) is a Venezuelan owned company is just NOT THAT IMPORTANT to me to put any effort more than I did... This is a discussion forum not a reference book... As you can see, I am more than happy to provide my sources and never make something look like it is my writing, if it isn't.


Ar rhe risk of declaring I am picking on you again....This is for everyone (including me). Current copyright laws apply to discussion forums on the internet. Posted works by others are automatically protected (but not necessarily copyrighted) the way I read it.

http://mason.gmu.edu/~montecin/copyright-internet.htm

http://www.templetons.com/brad/copymyths.html

Lee - 3-6-2013 at 10:39 AM

I liked it when Chavez called George W. ''the devil'' at the UN in '06. That's GW. I could have a drink with either of them, though.

David K - 3-6-2013 at 10:41 AM

Yah, I am guilty of spreading information... my bad. Too much information would have caused us to have a good president now, and no sequestration BS. The Low Information voters won, and America lost.

SFandH - 3-6-2013 at 11:05 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by David K
Yah, I am guilty of spreading information... my bad. Too much information would have caused us to have a good president now, and no sequestration BS. The Low Information voters won, and America lost.


Thanks for your political opinion. Take it off-topic.

This thread is about Hugo Chavez.

[Edited on 3-6-2013 by SFandH]

David K - 3-6-2013 at 11:10 AM

Talk to Ralph, I was done talking about Venezuela's dictator.

luv2fish - 3-6-2013 at 11:21 AM

Hold on boys and girls, let me run for some popcorn, this is getting interesting.:lol::lol::lol::lol: Oh and while I'm gone please remain in the sandbox............

Islandbuilder - 3-6-2013 at 12:06 PM

http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2012-10-09/chavez-s-win-proves...

www.amnesty.org/en/region/venezuela/report-2012

Interesting reads.


[Edited on 3-6-2013 by Islandbuilder]

mtgoat666 - 3-6-2013 at 12:47 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by David K
Yah, I am guilty of spreading information... my bad. Too much information would have caused us to have a good president now, and no sequestration BS. The Low Information voters won, and America lost.


Rmoney sure spread lots of useful information in his attempt to woo voters! His key talking points were "I won't tell you my policy ideas until after you elect me," and "47% of Americans are worthless moochers that I don't care about." Great info! Sure made the choice easy!
:lol::lol:

Contrast Rmoney with Chavez, Chavez rattled off information and ideas non-stop, in endless speeches, and he never called the poor worthless moochers. Seems like Chavez had a bit more personality and charisma than Rmoney.

Chavez certainly had populist appeal, perhaps GOP could take some lessons from Chavez, eh?

p.s. I did not agree with Chavez, but I certainly understood his appeal to his majority

[Edited on 3-6-2013 by mtgoat666]

comitan - 3-6-2013 at 01:06 PM

He gave the people $.16 gal. gas the cheapest in the whole wide world, now you know how to become president.:o:o:o:o

Barry A. - 3-6-2013 at 01:16 PM

posted by rts---------"This is for everyone (including me). Current copyright laws apply to discussion forums on the internet. Posted works by others are automatically protected (but not necessarily copyrighted) the way I read it.

http://mason.gmu.edu/~montecin/copyright-internet.htm

http://www.templetons.com/brad/copymyths.html


Wow, thank you. I was totally not aware of that------I always thought that something posted on a public forum was fare game to post elsewhere on a public forum------never knew about having to declare your source. Thank you.

Barry

bajadogs - 3-6-2013 at 07:06 PM

David,
Your posts here are so offensive and here is why. I can't respond to them because this is not OFF-TOPIC and you think you are too good for OFF-TOPIC. You are like your mentor Hannity when he cuts the mic off an an informed caller who calls him out on his BS. If you are going to tell me that my political beliefs are ruining America go OFF-TOPIC. And speaking of name calling, you just called me a "LOW Information Voter". Again I would love to prove otherwise but you won't let anyone. Kinda like a dictator.

desertcpl - 3-6-2013 at 07:21 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by mtgoat666
Quote:
Originally posted by David K
Yah, I am guilty of spreading information... my bad. Too much information would have caused us to have a good president now, and no sequestration BS. The Low Information voters won, and America lost.


Rmoney sure spread lots of useful information in his attempt to woo voters! His key talking points were "I won't tell you my policy ideas until after you elect me," and "47% of Americans are worthless moochers that I don't care about." Great info! Sure made the choice easy!
:lol::lol:

Contrast Rmoney with Chavez, Chavez rattled off information and ideas non-stop, in endless speeches, and he never called the poor worthless moochers. Seems like Chavez had a bit more personality and charisma than Rmoney.

Chavez certainly had populist appeal, perhaps GOP could take some lessons from Chavez, eh?

p.s. I did not agree with Chavez, but I certainly understood his appeal to his majority

[Edited on 3-6-2013 by mtgoat666]




I will go along with this,, Chavez was vary popular in his country, I wonder why,, the poor have been abused and miss treated for years at the hands of the wealthy,
and no I didnt really like some of his antics, I thought that was a bit off the wall, but bottom line it worked for him

mulegemichael - 3-6-2013 at 07:33 PM

it's just a challenge to even comment on this at this point...please, y'all, try not to go to the dark place...there is such a defined, stark, black/white difference between us all that there will never be piece...or peace...i, on one hand, hate your philosophy on life, dk, but on the other hand, i hate what you stand for also....so...liberal or conservative, saviour or buttcrack, we can all get along, can't we?

liknbaja127 - 3-6-2013 at 07:53 PM

Dave, for what it's worth, I like your posts! good info.

luv2fish - 3-6-2013 at 10:02 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by liknbaja127
Dave, for what it's worth, I like your posts! good info.

luv2fish - 3-6-2013 at 10:06 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by mulegemichael
piece...or peace...i, on one hand, hate your philosophy on life, dk, but on the other hand, i hate what you stand for also....so...liberal or conservative, saviour or buttcrack,
NOW THIS IS JUST MEAN OR IS IT MINE. :lol::lol::lol::lol: DAVID YOU ARE OK AND VERY HELPFUL.

Islandbuilder - 3-6-2013 at 10:34 PM

Perhaps a breathalizer interlock on a few keyboards would help? :cool:

DianaT - 3-6-2013 at 11:05 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by Islandbuilder
Perhaps a breathalizer interlock on a few keyboards would help? :cool:


Or perhaps an arrogance meter should be installed. :biggrin::biggrin:

Islandbuilder - 3-6-2013 at 11:31 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by DianaT
Quote:
Originally posted by Islandbuilder
Perhaps a breathalizer interlock on a few keyboards would help? :cool:


Or perhaps an arrogance meter should be installed. :biggrin::biggrin:


Boy, would it ever be quiet around here then! :lol:

toneart - 3-6-2013 at 11:33 PM

"Quotation marks are important in an essay which uses sources as evidence. Writers use quotation marks to signal the reader that the text within opening and closing quotes is not the writer's original material. In an indirect quotation, when the writer paraphrases another person's words, quotation marks are not used, though it is important to provide a citation letting the reader know the source of the information".

--Santa Rosa Jr. College
Online lesson found on Google Search

:light::P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:lol:

SFandH - 3-7-2013 at 06:52 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by toneart
"Quotation marks are important in an essay which uses sources as evidence. Writers use quotation marks to signal the reader that the text within opening and closing quotes is not the writer's original material. In an indirect quotation, when the writer paraphrases another person's words, quotation marks are not used, though it is important to provide a citation letting the reader know the source of the information".

--Santa Rosa Jr. College
Online lesson found on Google Search



Yes, but what are the rules for red font? I wish some posters "(like $%#&^% guess who)" would use white font, as within the preceding quotes, when expressing political opinions using insults to characterize opposing views. ;D

[Edited on 3-7-2013 by SFandH]

[Edited on 3-7-2013 by SFandH]

capt. mike - 3-7-2013 at 09:29 AM

7-11 coffee will give you gas.....does that count??

David K - 3-7-2013 at 09:30 AM

I get it... it's okay if political opinions are typed here (on Baja subject forums), as long as they are liberal opinions (As demonstrated so often with post by several who slip in an anti-Bush or anti-conservative comment)... and that's okay... ???

But, if I slip in a counter-comment, the 'party of openness and acceptance' has a conniption fit !! Sorry, but there is just so much lack of facts and truth twisting, I cannot stay silent always... and I have restrained some of my thoughts (but why, when the others don't).

It would be great if it was just Baja related subjects here... and I think I give more than a lot of Baja on Nomad. But, as long as the other political ideology (the one where big government is our savior and who cares how it is paid for and you that aren't smart enough to own your own gun or feed your own kids or anything we had done for over 230 some years as a nation) can slip in their theology without question or consideration how it makes conservatives feel, I will provide an equal comeback, for fairness and balance.

I prefer to discuss Baja travel and history. I am not sure why 'Hugo Chavez' is even on the Baja News forum at Nomad, dead or alive?

capt. mike - 3-7-2013 at 09:32 AM

Chavez had election fraud i believe. I have nothing to back that thought up.

Barry A. - 3-7-2013 at 09:39 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by David K
I get it... it's okay if political opinions are typed here (on Baja subject forums), as long as they are liberal opinions (As demonstrated so often with post by several who slip in an anti-Bush or anti-conservative comment)... and that's okay... ???

But, if I slip in a counter-comment, the 'party of openness and acceptance' has a conniption fit !! Sorry, but there is just so much lack of facts and truth twisting, I cannot stay silent always... and I have restrained some of my thoughts (but why, when the others don't).

It would be great if it was just Baja related subjects here... and I think I give more than a lot of Baja on Nomad. But, as long as the other political ideology (the one where big government is our savior and who cares how it is paid for and you that aren't smart enough to own your own gun or feed your own kids or anything we had done for over 230 some years as a nation) can slip in their theology without question or consideration how it makes conservatives feel, I will provide an equal comeback, for fairness and balance.

I prefer to discuss Baja travel and history. I am not sure why 'Hugo Chavez' is even on the Baja News forum at Nomad, dead or alive?


Exactly on point, David. Excellent!!!!

Barry

Barry A. - 3-7-2013 at 09:42 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by toneart
"Quotation marks are important in an essay which uses sources as evidence. Writers use quotation marks to signal the reader that the text within opening and closing quotes is not the writer's original material. In an indirect quotation, when the writer paraphrases another person's words, quotation marks are not used, though it is important to provide a citation letting the reader know the source of the information".

--Santa Rosa Jr. College
Online lesson found on Google Search

:light::P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:lol:


Wow, I certainly am guilty of abusing quotion marks based on that analysis!!! Now I don't know what to use to emphathise certain points?!?!?!?!?!? I am ignorant of how you all manage to use bold, itallics, or colors on NOMADS, and if it is complicated I won't use it anyway----a delemma for me.

Barry

Pompano - 3-7-2013 at 10:11 AM

As pertains to Hugo Chavez, is this the correct way to post a quote?


"I didn’t attend the funeral, but I sent a nice letter saying I approved of it." --- Mark Twain

toneart - 3-7-2013 at 10:51 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by Pompano
As pertains to Hugo Chavez, is this the correct way to post a quote?


"I didn’t attend the funeral, but I sent a nice letter saying I approved of it." --- Mark Twain


Right on, Roger! Your understanding of how to use quotations is correct. And the wry sense of humor in the Twain quote, as used in this context, is good. The combination gives you the necessary credibility to deliver your political opinion effectively. It doesn't rankle my red font finger. :lol:

Pompano - 3-7-2013 at 11:05 AM

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Originally posted by toneart
Quote:
Originally posted by Pompano
As pertains to Hugo Chavez, is this the correct way to post a quote?


"I didn’t attend the funeral, but I sent a nice letter saying I approved of it." --- Mark Twain


Right on, Roger! Your understanding of how to use quotations is correct. And the wry sense of humor in the Twain quote, as used in this context, is good. The combination gives you the necessary credibility to deliver your political opinion effectively. It doesn't rankle my red font finger. :lol:



Well, mi amigo, I cannot say I will ever join in these type of discussions to the point where I get the finger from you...red or not. ;)

These nomad Internet political squabbles remind me too much of a hen-house cacaphony of NOISE...which I am under orders to avoid...along with WORK.

But thinking about the situation, it's possible the forum's owner, Doug, may have already made these regs and has them in his quiver:

Suggestions for the reader on posts you disagree with:

"These nomads postings are provided "AS IS" with no warranties either expressed or written and confers no rights.

You assume all risk for your use. The authors are not responsible for your inability to understand logic, ambiguous references, sarcasm, the imaginary friends living inside their heads, or William Shatner's acting ability."

motoged - 3-7-2013 at 11:49 AM

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Originally posted by Barry A.

Wow, I certainly am guilty of abusing quotion marks based on that analysis!!! Now I don't know what to use to emphathise certain points?!?!?!?!?!? I am ignorant of how you all manage to use bold, itallics, or colors on NOMADS, and if it is complicated I won't use it anyway----a delemma for me.

Barry


Barry,
You are also guilty of poor spelling and the use of malapropisms :lol:

Barry A. - 3-7-2013 at 12:04 PM

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Originally posted by motoged
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Originally posted by Barry A.

Wow, I certainly am guilty of abusing quotion marks based on that analysis!!! Now I don't know what to use to emphathise certain points?!?!?!?!?!? I am ignorant of how you all manage to use bold, itallics, or colors on NOMADS, and if it is complicated I won't use it anyway----a delemma for me.

Barry


Barry,
You are also guilty of poor spelling and the use of malapropisms :lol:


:lol::lol::lol: You nailed it!!! Very embarrassing, and it gets worse every week. I don't have spell check, either. (sigh)

Berry

toneart - 3-7-2013 at 12:32 PM

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Originally posted by Barry A.
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Originally posted by motoged
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Originally posted by Barry A.

Wow, I certainly am guilty of abusing quotion marks based on that analysis!!! Now I don't know what to use to emphathise certain points?!?!?!?!?!? I am ignorant of how you all manage to use bold, itallics, or colors on NOMADS, and if it is complicated I won't use it anyway----a delemma for me.

Barry


Barry,
You are also guilty of poor spelling and the use of malapropisms :lol:


:lol::lol::lol: You nailed it!!! Very embarrassing, and it gets worse every week. I don't have spell check, either. (sigh)

Berry


Well Barry,

I won't pile on! You are introspective, humble and aware of your shortcomings. That is constructive. :yes: It is those who are unaware, yet arrogantly defensive who are the most offensive.:mad: It is a pairing of a persecution complex and guile.:rolleyes:...and oh yes...deaf and blind political bias.

You, Barry, are easy to comprehend. While holding a political philosophy different from mine, you do present your opinions in earnest; without rancor. :yes:

MitchMan - 3-7-2013 at 12:49 PM

As one gets older, it seems that one loses the skill of spelling things correctly, even if the vocabulary gets better with age...speaking for myself that is.

Having said that, the most important thing is to have something valid and worthwhile to say, even if your grammar and spelling are substandard. Mark Twain and Will Rogers are evidence of that.

A while back, Mr BillM made a comment on my mispelling something and I thought he was way off. But, since then, I started watching my spelling more closely and doing some spell checking and what that has shown me is that my spelling, overall, is approaching being atrocious...and it's getting worse. Even writing this post, I had to check the spelling on three different words.

The use of proper grammar and spelling is respect for and a courtesy to the reader, but it is still more important to write something of value. That way you are, at least, not wasting the readers' time which shows more respect than the mere use of proper grammar and good spelling only.

[Edited on 3-7-2013 by MitchMan]

Barry A. - 3-7-2013 at 02:07 PM

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Originally posted by MitchMan
As one gets older, it seems that one loses the skill of spelling things correctly, even if the vocabulary gets better with age...speaking for myself that is.

Having said that, the most important thing is to have something valid and worthwhile to say, even if your grammar and spelling are substandard. Mark Twain and Will Rogers are evidence of that.

A while back, Mr BillM made a comment on my mispelling something and I thought he was way off. But, since then, I started watching my spelling more closely and doing some spell checking and what that has shown me is that my spelling, overall, is approaching being atrocious...and it's getting worse. Even writing this post, I had to check the spelling on three different words.

The use of proper grammar and spelling is respect for and a courtesy to the reader, but it is still more important to write something of value. That way you are, at least, not wasting the readers' time which shows more respect than the mere use of proper grammar and good spelling only.

[Edited on 3-7-2013 by MitchMan]


Thanks to both you, MitchMan, and to Tony for your comments-------both of which I learn things from, and always read--------we don't agree on a lot, but your take on things is most always educational and interesting.

beri

J.P. - 3-7-2013 at 02:18 PM

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Originally posted by Pompano
As pertains to Hugo Chavez, is this the correct way to post a quote?


"I didn’t attend the funeral, but I sent a nice letter saying I approved of it." --- Mark Twain



That just about sums it up. I dont think any right minded person could improve on Mark Twain's statement.

[Edited on 3-7-2013 by J.P.]

The Sculpin - 3-7-2013 at 02:46 PM

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Originally posted by MitchMan
As one gets older, it seems that one loses the skill of spelling things correctly, even if the vocabulary gets better with age...speaking for myself that is.

Having said that, the most important thing is to have something valid and worthwhile to say, even if your grammar and spelling are substandard. Mark Twain and Will Rogers are evidence of that.

A while back, Mr BillM made a comment on my mispelling something and I thought he was way off. But, since then, I started watching my spelling more closely and doing some spell checking and what that has shown me is that my spelling, overall, is approaching being atrocious...and it's getting worse. Even writing this post, I had to check the spelling on three different words.

The use of proper grammar and spelling is respect for and a courtesy to the reader, but it is still more important to write something of value. That way you are, at least, not wasting the readers' time which shows more respect than the mere use of proper grammar and good spelling only.

[Edited on 3-7-2013 by MitchMan]


Well said, however I feel I need to add one more thing. The process of checking for proper grammar and spelling forces the writer to re-read their work and consider if the words used adequately convey the writers thoughts. To not do this I feel is intellectually lazy. If someone does not have the time to proof their own words, they certainly do not have the time to understand yours. To quote Mark Twain again:

“I didn't have time to write a short letter, so I wrote a long one instead.”
:cool:

DianaT - 3-7-2013 at 02:52 PM

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Originally posted by Barry A.

beri



:lol::lol::lol::lol::lol:

That is a good one and even though I disagree with one of your posts, you properly used the quote box. Thus, you gave credit to the author of the opinions expressed. :biggrin:

Often spell check does not help. Their are times win one can pull out there hare while trying two reed advise from others.

[Edited on 3-7-2013 by DianaT]

motoged - 3-7-2013 at 04:18 PM

In elementary school my best grades were in spelling....in high school they were in literature and grammar.....ever since then, I have been a cunning linguist :saint:

But failed math and physics after grade ten....:biggrin:

Barry A. - 3-7-2013 at 04:29 PM

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Originally posted by motoged
In elementary school my best grades were in spelling....in high school they were in literature and grammar.....ever since then, I have been a cunning linguist :saint:

But failed math and physics after grade ten....:biggrin:


Anybody who uses the work "malapropism" and knows what it means is head and shoulders above my larn'ing------a quick trip to the dictionary got me going again, but for a second there I was awe-struck!!!!:lol:

Math is my REAL downfall, too, so I know what you mean. :light:

Bery

Pompano - 3-7-2013 at 04:37 PM

At times shorthand is best.


Los Angeles' full name is "El Pueblo de Nuestra Senora la Reina de los Angeles de Porciuncula"

Barry A. - 3-7-2013 at 04:46 PM

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Originally posted by Pompano
At times shorthand is best.


Los Angeles' full name is "El Pueblo de Nuestra Senora la Reina de los Angeles de Porciuncula"


------and it may be referred to that again, soon!!!! :lol:

Barry

tripledigitken - 3-7-2013 at 04:55 PM

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Originally posted by motoged
....a cunning linguist :saint:...:biggrin:


that's a mouth full.............:cool:

toneart - 3-7-2013 at 06:18 PM

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Originally posted by tripledigitken
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Originally posted by motoged
....a cunning linguist :saint:...:biggrin:


that's a mouth full.............:cool:


I got that too! Pretty funny! :lol::lol:

toneart - 3-7-2013 at 06:28 PM

Now that 'Ol Sr. Hugo is dead we can be a bit irreverend , can't we?...with the humor, the spelling, the punctuation and the grammar. You all get a pass. Hugo's magnanimity would have allowed it. Pasales! :cool:

Barry A. - 3-7-2013 at 06:57 PM

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Originally posted by toneart
Now that 'Ol Sr. Hugo is dead we can be a bit irreverend , can't we?...with the humor, the spelling, the punctuation and the grammar. You all get a pass. Hugo's magnanimity would have allowed it. Pasales! :cool:


Tony, personally I am very uncomfortable with all this spelling and punctuation talk--------I much prefer bad-mouthing Hugo-----can't we just stick to THAT? :spingrin:

Barry

bajadogs - 3-7-2013 at 09:56 PM

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Originally posted by David K
I get it... it's okay if political opinions are typed here (on Baja subject forums), as long as they are liberal opinions (As demonstrated so often with post by several who slip in an anti-Bush or anti-conservative comment)... and that's okay... ???

But, if I slip in a counter-comment, the 'party of openness and acceptance' has a conniption fit !! Sorry, but there is just so much lack of facts and truth twisting, I cannot stay silent always... and I have restrained some of my thoughts (but why, when the others don't).

It would be great if it was just Baja related subjects here... and I think I give more than a lot of Baja on Nomad. But, as long as the other political ideology (the one where big government is our savior and who cares how it is paid for and you that aren't smart enough to own your own gun or feed your own kids or anything we had done for over 230 some years as a nation) can slip in their theology without question or consideration how it makes conservatives feel, I will provide an equal comeback, for fairness and balance.

I prefer to discuss Baja travel and history. I am not sure why 'Hugo Chavez' is even on the Baja News forum at Nomad, dead or alive?



Have you been to Venezuela DK?

[Edited on 3-8-2013 by bajadogs]

bajadogs - 3-7-2013 at 10:07 PM

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Originally posted by David K
I am not sure why 'Hugo Chavez' is even on the Baja News forum at Nomad, dead or alive?


Then why are you SO compelled to slam "Liberals" on this forum?

Why do you make it political?

Why are you better than OFF-TOPIC?

[Edited on 3-8-2013 by bajadogs]

motoged - 3-8-2013 at 12:32 AM

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Originally posted by toneart
Quote:
Originally posted by tripledigitken
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Originally posted by motoged
....a cunning linguist :saint:...:biggrin:


that's a mouth full.............:cool:


I got that too! Pretty funny! :lol::lol:


Yeah....once you grasp the concept, you've got it licked :biggrin:

Over and out :saint:

Skipjack Joe - 3-8-2013 at 12:55 AM

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Originally posted by The Sculpin

To quote Mark Twain again:

“I didn't have time to write a short letter, so I wrote a long one instead.”



Had not heard that quote before but I agree with it very much. Most people who write a lot have little to say. It takes thought and effort to write something with content.

motoged - 3-8-2013 at 01:29 PM

I was just wondering....if Chavez was still alive and looked at DK's political ideology....what would he have to say about DK dying?

toneart - 3-8-2013 at 01:37 PM

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Originally posted by Barry A.
Quote:
Originally posted by toneart
Now that 'Ol Sr. Hugo is dead we can be a bit irreverend , can't we?...with the humor, the spelling, the punctuation and the grammar. You all get a pass. Hugo's magnanimity would have allowed it. Pasales! :cool:


Tony, personally I am very uncomfortable with all this spelling and punctuation talk--------I much prefer bad-mouthing Hugo-----can't we just stick to THAT? :spingrin:

Barry


Yes! I had already given you a pass, Barry. Thanks for relieving me of my overwhelming responsibility. ;):P

David K - 3-8-2013 at 03:31 PM

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Originally posted by bajadogs
Quote:
Originally posted by David K
I get it... it's okay if political opinions are typed here (on Baja subject forums), as long as they are liberal opinions (As demonstrated so often with post by several who slip in an anti-Bush or anti-conservative comment)... and that's okay... ???

But, if I slip in a counter-comment, the 'party of openness and acceptance' has a conniption fit !! Sorry, but there is just so much lack of facts and truth twisting, I cannot stay silent always... and I have restrained some of my thoughts (but why, when the others don't).

It would be great if it was just Baja related subjects here... and I think I give more than a lot of Baja on Nomad. But, as long as the other political ideology (the one where big government is our savior and who cares how it is paid for and you that aren't smart enough to own your own gun or feed your own kids or anything we had done for over 230 some years as a nation) can slip in their theology without question or consideration how it makes conservatives feel, I will provide an equal comeback, for fairness and balance.

I prefer to discuss Baja travel and history. I am not sure why 'Hugo Chavez' is even on the Baja News forum at Nomad, dead or alive?



Have you been to Venezuela DK?

[Edited on 3-8-2013 by bajadogs]


No, nor have I been to Hell... so does that mean I can't say it is a bad place without going? Just discussing, that's all. :light:

fwiw: I think Udo knows that country (Venezuela) better than all of us?

David K - 3-8-2013 at 03:39 PM

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Originally posted by motoged
I was just wondering....if Chavez was still alive and looked at DK's political ideology....what would he have to say about DK dying?


Really Ged? Am I THAT influential? Really? :rolleyes: :lol:

Maybe I should do more to promote freedom and personal rights... because that is my cause. A government so big (as ours has become) can not see the 'little guy' who becomes squished beneath this Goliath's feet.

bajadogs - 3-8-2013 at 04:16 PM

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Originally posted by David Kthat is my cause. A government so big (as ours has become) can not see the 'little guy' who becomes squished beneath this Goliath's feet.


Really David? Again I would love to body slam your lame ass argument but this is not OFF-TOPIC. I don't understand how you get away with your right wing propaganda crap. "Little guy"? What a freaking joke! You're party will fight to make sure Paris Hilton gets huge tax breaks. Somebody has to pay for Bush's invasion. You got a better idea sir?:mad:

David K - 3-8-2013 at 04:21 PM

Have a nice day, and please leave your hate somewhere else. I wish no ill will or harm to you or anyone else who is opposed to like-minded Nomads. "Body slam", really? Good bye.