BajaNomad - Finding Fossils is Fun in Baja! (March 2013 Baja Bound Newsletter)

Finding Fossils is Fun in Baja! (March 2013 Baja Bound Newsletter)

David K - 3-20-2013 at 03:55 PM

The latest issue of Baja Bound Newsletter contains a new story featuring fossil finds near Bahia Asuncion, Las Pintas, San Felipe, El Rosario, and more!

http://www.bajabound.com/bajatravel/baja_fossils.php

[Edited on 3-20-2013 by David K]

motoged - 3-20-2013 at 04:17 PM

What is the legality and ethics of keeping fossils and/or removing them from country of origin?

I have some shark teeth and (whale ?) bone fossils about 23,000,000 years old from an area a mile or two north of Santa Rosalia....

It would be a shame for folks to enjoy the find and then "take only pictures"....which maybe really isn't such a bad policy.

[Edited on 3-20-2013 by motoged]

David K - 3-20-2013 at 04:18 PM

Read the article Ged... IT'S IN THERE!

motoged - 3-20-2013 at 04:29 PM

I DID read the article....and thought that folks who won't read the article should be mindful of the issue. Any comment in the article regarding the issue identified in my query (i.e. legality and ethics) is left to the very last line and is the same as my comment above (it's in there :biggrin

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The article makes a point of identifying many of the places people can find fossils....which might have folks marking maps before they finish the article.

And folks like me might end up with stuff in their pockets....

David K - 3-20-2013 at 04:35 PM

The article is about Finding Fossils, not taking them...

Baja needs tourism, this is just another activity that may be interesting to overcome the fear of Mexico enhanced by our government and media.

Baja Bucko - 3-20-2013 at 04:43 PM

Everything I've heard is if you do get caught by the Mexican side taking these fossils, you are in trouble. Historical artifacts the same.....INAH is pretty tough regarding things that belong to Mexico. That said, who hasn't walked off with some special little find.....I have a little plastic baggie by my bed with stuff from special places in Baja- a small smooth stone from the base of Sandia Mtn, a beautiful perfectly-shaped lengthwise stone that could be a someone's special pendant from historic Quini and some other items I won't admit to

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We all have found cool fossils that sit in our homes.....but the Mexican rules are getting tougher. I won't say much more than this as I nearly got myself banned from a certain mountain range recently so I know NUTHIN'

Skipjack Joe - 3-20-2013 at 04:44 PM

This is interesting, I thought. And then found out it's the same thing you posted here a few weeks ago. Except, now it's in a magazine.

What's the point here?

motoged - 3-20-2013 at 04:45 PM

Yep....just sayin' :saint:

Ateo - 3-20-2013 at 05:06 PM

The Earth is only 6,000 years old. No fossils are 23,000,000 years old.

Sorry, had to let my inner troll come out.

David K - 3-20-2013 at 06:01 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Skipjack Joe
This is interesting, I thought. And then found out it's the same thing you posted here a few weeks ago. Except, now it's in a magazine.

What's the point here?

Umm... nope, I don't think so, but I do a lot of writing about various topics in Baja, so it looks similar, perhaps? Sorry if I am wrong about that and you had to read it again, if it did.

The articles I write for Baja Bound I do on MS Word, and work on them a while... My Baja Nomad original posts I usually write off the cuff, or grab my books to share things while I am online here.

Now, after my Baja Bound story appears on Baja Bound's web site, through an agreement with Baja Bound, Baja.com posted some of my articles... then another San Diego news site gets in on the action! :lol:

David K - 3-20-2013 at 06:03 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Baja Bucko
Everything I've heard is if you do get caught by the Mexican side taking these fossils, you are in trouble. Historical artifacts the same.....INAH is pretty tough regarding things that belong to Mexico. That said, who hasn't walked off with some special little find.....I have a little plastic baggie by my bed with stuff from special places in Baja- a small smooth stone from the base of Sandia Mtn, a beautiful perfectly-shaped lengthwise stone that could be a someone's special pendant from historic Quini and some other items I won't admit to

You are funny Bucko! :yes:

bajagrouper - 3-20-2013 at 06:28 PM

Last week while crossing back into the USA the agent asked what I was brining back, I was bringing back a kilo of Amber and 5 kilos of Jade but I just said rocks and she asked me if they were from a beach....

BajaBlanca - 3-21-2013 at 07:44 AM

I am so glad you posted this....if it was mentioned/posted before, I certainly never saw it.

Very interesting article .... I love seeing fossils. One of my students, years ago, gave me a wooden plaque filled with small pedernales. I guess if I ever move away from Baja, I will scatter them around La Bocana. Seems only fair to leave them right where they were found.

What amazes me is: Are there no cemetaries for those Indian tribes who lived in Baja ? Where are their bones?

David K - 3-21-2013 at 07:48 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by BajaBlanca
I am so glad you posted this....if it was mentioned/posted before, I certainly never saw it.

Very interesting article .... I love seeing fossils. One of my students, years ago, gave me a wooden plaque filled with small pedernales. I guess if I ever move away from Baja, I will scatter them around La Bocana. Seems only fair to leave them right where they were found.

What amazes me is: Are there no cemetaries for those Indian tribes who lived in Baja ? Where are their bones?

Thank you Blanca. It is for you and every other interested viewer, I share this. The people who don't like my postings, please understand I am not posting this to irritate you. Peace!

shari - 3-21-2013 at 08:54 AM

I thought it was a nice little article David...I must have missed the thread before. I like how you ended it with take only pictures.

Fossil hunting is an enjoyable way to spend a baja day. It is something the whole family can do and is a different kind of baja activity then the usual fishing, surfing, beer swilling etc.

It gets people out hiking and seeing unique terrain and is educational especially for the kids who seem to take a new interest in archeology after seeing fossils in the wild. It can also be another economic generator for the local guides and service providers as it may keep people in an area another day.

kind of a coincidence that yesterday a local came over to show Kasheydog his collection of fossils (guess he didnt have a camera!) ...I had never seen such huge megaladon teeth and indeed Dick was inspired to see fossil valley on his next visit.

bacquito - 3-21-2013 at 08:55 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by David K
The latest issue of Baja Bound Newsletter contains a new story featuring fossil finds near Bahia Asuncion, Las Pintas, San Felipe, El Rosario, and more!

http://www.bajabound.com/bajatravel/baja_fossils.php

[Edited on 3-20-2013 by David K]

I wanted to read the article on fossils on Baja Bound but have been unable to link onto the article. All I get is a "pendiente" notice. Any help is appreciated. Thanks

willardguy - 3-21-2013 at 10:42 AM

okay who here would have NOT kept one of those giant shark tooths???? :smug:

BeemerDan - 3-21-2013 at 01:20 PM

Wow, Great article David, and those sharks teeth are huge! Thanks.

David K - 3-22-2013 at 08:05 AM

Hi Shari, you didn't miss it before, because it is a new article, and this is the first thread posted about it... I just write so much about Baja places, it looked the same ****** as older posts, and I don't blame *** for being confused. I get confused over much similar things! :lol:

KasheyDog... GOOD JOB!!! Wow, after Baja Angel and I spent hours out there and found just a few 'baby teeth', I am very impressed!!

bacquito... the link to BajaBound's article should be direct, just click on it (blue text): http://www.bajabound.com/bajatravel/baja_fossils.php

BeemerDan... Thank you!

[Edited on 3-23-2013 by BajaNomad]

bajaguy - 3-22-2013 at 08:07 AM

Are there any laws or regulations in Baja or Baja Sur regarding disturbing or removing fossils or artifacts????

David K - 3-22-2013 at 08:09 AM

Yes, see the article... at the end.

shari - 3-22-2013 at 08:11 AM

I' pretty sure there are laws...do not remove....oh and just to clarify....Kasheydog & Sarah are only models holding those montrous shark teeth...some guy came by to show them his collection.

David K - 3-22-2013 at 08:53 AM

Oh, good... I was going to say Dick had some incredible 'beginners luck'!!!

motoged - 3-22-2013 at 12:26 PM

That would be:

magnanimous:

mag·nan·i·mous
[mag-nan-uh-muhs]
adjective
1. generous in forgiving an insult or injury; free from petty resentfulness or vindictiveness: to be magnanimous toward one's enemies.

2.high-minded; noble: a just and magnanimous ruler.

3. proceeding from or revealing generosity or nobility of mind, character, etc.: a magnanimous gesture of forgiveness.

[Edited on 3-22-2013 by motoged]

DianaT - 3-22-2013 at 12:38 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by motoged
That would be:

magnanimous:

mag·nan·i·mous
[mag-nan-uh-muhs]
adjective
1. generous in forgiving an insult or injury; free from petty resentfulness or vindictiveness: to be magnanimous toward one's enemies.

2.high-minded; noble: a just and magnanimous ruler.

3. proceeding from or revealing generosity or nobility of mind, character, etc.: a magnanimous gesture of forgiveness.

[Edited on 3-22-2013 by motoged]

I love the way you parse different posts. :biggrin:

dtbushpilot - 3-22-2013 at 06:41 PM

Great post David, I enjoyed the article. Thank you for posting it.....dt

BeemerDan - 3-22-2013 at 09:12 PM

I like it too, and don't understand all the BS whining about what David wrote. Some of us newbies appreciate it. Its informative to me, and heck if i'd found something like that huge shark tooth i would've been tempted to throw it in my saddlebag, Now I know better.
Thanks David.

bajadogs - 3-22-2013 at 10:05 PM

I'm gonna write a story on my website about a very desirable wood. It is thousands of years old and goes gangbusters on ebay. The article will appear on my website on where it is and how to find it. I will show you how to cut and pull it out of the ground. I will warm myself by the fire of this wood.

- Lorax

dtbushpilot - 3-22-2013 at 10:24 PM

Ok dogs, you make a good point. Using the information in the article go out and pick up a few megladon teeth....let us know how it goes, be sure and post some pictures....

Honestly, I don't know why some folks find the need to stir up chit and kick DK in the nuts at any and every opportunity. I would challenge any of you, yes, any of you to share more and better information about Baja with your fellow Nomad bretheren (and sisteren if that is a word). We all have differing views about the world in general but when it comes to Baja information there isn't anyone on this board that is more informative and helpful than DK. This is, after all what Baja Nomads is about, If you are just looking for a keyboard fight take your couch and go somewhere else.....

I appreciate your help and information on all things Baja DK, don't let a few sourpusses spoil your efforts, remember, don't argue with an idiot, the casual observer might not be able to tell who is who, always take the higher road.....dt

bajadogs - 3-22-2013 at 11:43 PM

I'm an idiot?
DT, I can't wait to shake your hand.

[Edited on 3-23-2013 by bajadogs]

[Edited on 3-23-2013 by bajadogs]

Skipjack Joe - 3-23-2013 at 01:06 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by dtbushpilot

Honestly, I don't know why some folks find the need to stir up chit and kick DK in the nuts at any and every opportunity. I would challenge any of you, yes, any of you to share more and better information about Baja with your fellow Nomad bretheren (and sisteren if that is a word). We all have differing views about the world in general but when it comes to Baja information there isn't anyone on this board that is more informative and helpful than DK. This is, after all what Baja Nomads is about, If you are just looking for a keyboard fight take your couch and go somewhere else.....

You don't know?

Why don't you try harder. You've been on this board at least as long as I have - 10 years. Why do all these 'sourpusses' 'pick' on one and the same individual year after year, thread after thread. If you knew absolutely nothing of the past wouldn't you think that maybe, just maybe, there's a reason.

I mean if all of these people as evil as you make them out to be why aren't they evil to anyone else?

Why is it that half of DK threads end up like this? Ask yourself that. Why doesn't anybody else go through this same angst repeatedly.

Ask yourself these questions please. Let's be a little honest with ourselves.

Geo_Skip - 3-23-2013 at 06:29 AM

Thank you Skipjack. Trolls are an irritant, but a troll plus an enabler really get disgusting and drive people away.

PS, if you stop along the road from Visciano to Asuncion, where the fingers of the lagoon cross the road...the causeway for the road is full of Turitella (tightly spiraled cone shells 2 to 4 inches long) washing out of the fill....estimated 11 million years and mostly replaced by silica, fossil shells, fun and abundant. Some small scallops are in these same disturbed sediments.

Enjoy.

dtbushpilot - 3-23-2013 at 10:20 AM

To all that I've offended:
I didn't mean to call you an idiot dogs, I apologize. I re-read the post and realize that DK wasn't arguing with anyone, my bad, late night posting has done it to me again.

I asked myself the questions as you encouraged me to do skipjack. My observations are that there is a small group of people that like to bash DK. There are lots of reasons for this: DK can be annoying at times, he can come across as a "know it all" (he does know more about Baja than most), he shares his opinion on potentially controversial topics and he makes a lot of posts with lots of words, pictures and opinions.

To the topic of not giving directions to your "secret spot": I get it, I really do but I try to ask myself if it is actually going to have a negative impact. If I found a field littered with gold (or sharks teeth or double overhead waves) in a readily accessible area I would probably keep it to myself. On the other hand if it is a place where few people would go in some rugged far off place I don't see a lot of harm in it....unless of course it's MY secret place.

Am I the troll or the enabler or both Geo? I will admit that my posts of late are more sarcastic and condescending in nature than in the past. I seldom post anything of substance with pictures and a story line any more. In fact this is about the longest post I've made in a while. It's probably due to low-T or grumpy old man syndrome.

At any rate, if it means I've become a troll on a board that I've enjoyed and contributed to for a number of years so be it, I've been called worse things, I'll get over it somehow......

motoged - 3-24-2013 at 01:23 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by dtbushpilot
.....To the topic of not giving directions to your "secret spot": I get it, ..... if it is a place where few people would go in some rugged far off place I don't see a lot of harm in it....unless of course it's MY secret place......

Nomads,
Here are some of DT's secret spots....all presenting with excellent ubication....:

I can't say where they are or he will have to shoot me :saint:

Watch yer head, David.... :lol:

dtbushpilot - 3-24-2013 at 02:44 PM

I still have gps coordinates to all those places ged, maybe me and DK can get together and post some maps.....

shari - 3-24-2013 at 03:20 PM

wow...nice ride down DT lane...I got a warm fuzzy feeling in my gut...which I treated with a cold tecate. I'm with you on this dogpile DT...while there are a few here I'd rather enjoy nut kicking...DK aint one of em.

DianaT - 3-24-2013 at 05:10 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by dtbushpilot
.....
I asked myself the questions as you encouraged me to do skipjack. My observations are that there is a small group of people that like to bash DK. There are lots of reasons for this: DK can be annoying at times, he can come across as a "know it all" (he does know more about Baja than most), he shares his opinion on potentially controversial topics and he makes a lot of posts with lots of words, pictures and opinions. .....

I am guilty, yes I am. As you said, he can be annoying, but I know that he can also be ignored. I ignored him on this thread even though in my mind, I totally agreed with a couple of other people I thought it was just not the thing to do at this time. This thread had some very interesting editing done by the Big Kahuna.

I guess being called a liar more than once by DK has left a sour taste. He simply cannot accept that not every one experiences every thing the same as he does, so he decided over and over that I must not be telling the truth and said so. But it is long past the time to take the high road and ignore him completely and hope he will do the same. We have met a number of Nomads over the years who we really like, or at least respect, and others, well, not so much--- fortunately, we have not met DK.

As someone recently said, when they see that sun, they scroll on down. In the name of World Peace which we hope will come someday, I shall do likewise; he simply is not worth it and it only brings forth chicken noises.

MOTOGED --- I always liked those pictures---they are very good.

[Edited on 3-25-2013 by DianaT]

David K - 3-24-2013 at 05:29 PM

Wow, how sweet... that's okay, I like playing in mud so throw some more at me. I also know Nomads who have met you and your hate of me is something you seem to enjoy sharing with members of this forum. I have tried making nice and frequently complement your posts as long as you don't hurt the locals by saying unkind things about them or their father, as you did about San Borja with your as always great photos. Most or all of which you removed when I questioned the purpose of hurting their livelihood.

willardguy - 3-24-2013 at 06:10 PM

GEOGRAPHOBIA !

its a real condition where people are terrified of maps!

gotta be it! :?:

dtbushpilot - 3-24-2013 at 06:12 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by shari
wow...nice ride down DT lane...I got a warm fuzzy feeling in my gut...which I treated with a cold tecate. I'm with you on this dogpile DT...while there are a few here I'd rather enjoy nut kicking...DK aint one of em.

Thanks shari, I enjoyed the pictures too and look forward to riding with ged again. That said, I also see through the seemingly friendly and innocent post by my Nomad brethren from the cold North, he posted the pictures so that dogs, skipjack and geo would know who to beat up. :lol:

motoged - 3-24-2013 at 07:47 PM

David,
I know that Trolls usually don't like the daylight :biggrin:

, but I have been held upon threat of waterboarding if I didn't provide some reasonable facsimile of your mug....and let folks know who to look out for. :saint:

[Edited on 3-25-2013 by motoged]

BajaRat - 3-24-2013 at 07:50 PM

Healthy disagreement sharpens the mind and soul... Its one of the ways we educate ourselves and others. Oh yea and by the way, mean people suck.....

Please don't darken my families door step, ain't nobody got time for that. :cool:

dtbushpilot - 3-24-2013 at 09:13 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by David K
Wow, how sweet... that's okay, I like playing in mud so throw some more at me. I also know Nomads who have met you and your hate of me is something you seem to enjoy sharing with members of this forum. I have tried making nice and frequently complement your posts as long as you don't hurt the locals by saying unkind things about them or their father, as you did about San Borja with your as always great photos. Most or all of which you removed when I questioned the purpose of hurting their livelihood.

Don't let a little support go to your head DK, even though Diana felt the need to take one more slap at you while saying that she was quitting the "gang of five" she said she was going to ignore your posts and hopped that you would do the same. The higher road would have been for you to ignore it. Put away your shovel, stop digging....

DianaT - 3-24-2013 at 09:47 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by dtbushpilot

Quote:

Curious, what do you see as the one more "slap"? It really does not matter, but I am curious. Was it that I stated the fact that he has called me a liar more than once, or perhaps the heartfelt statement that he is not worth the time of day. Yes, he should not have responded as I should have not responded to this. :spingrin:

Gang of five? Wow -- good one. I guess I now am an official part of a group. :biggrin:

[Edited on 3-25-2013 by DianaT]

Skipjack Joe - 3-25-2013 at 12:36 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by dtbushpilot

I asked myself the questions as you encouraged me to do skipjack. My observations are that there is a small group of people that like to bash DK. There are lots of reasons for this: DK can be annoying at times, he can come across as a "know it all" (he does know more about Baja than most), he shares his opinion on potentially controversial topics and he makes a lot of posts with lots of words, pictures and opinions.

I really don't agree that there are people who enjoy bashing DK. There is little enjoyment in it. They would rather not do it. Some feel that the positives he brings to the board outweigh the annoyances. Others are far more irritated by it all.

I also diagree about the quality of DK's posts. Yes, there are lot of posts but very few words. It's mostly bumps, atta boys, and 'that's great'. They're typically very light on content. Trip reports are usually a record of places stopped and the miles between them. I have yet to read of any impression anything made on any trip.

And DK's political rants are beyond distasteful. Talk about hate and bashing. There is more venom in them than just about anything else on this board. But we are told it's done in the name of 'balance' somehow. You just roll your eyes.

David K - 3-25-2013 at 08:25 AM

So Igor, what's the deal... ? Does my using Nomad more take away from anyone's ability to post? No! Same thing with the economy, more people getting rich doesn't mean there's less for others. It isn't like a pie with only so many pieces to give out. Nomad, (and our economy) is wide open... the more we read (use) the better it gets, and the more people benefit.

Bullies pick on nerds, and no doubt that I am a Baja nerd. I have never recalled calling anyone here a liar, but may have offered information that is counter to what they posted in the hopes that truth and facts will outweigh the rants and emotion we see sometimes.

IF I ever did call anyone a "liar", I apologize for using that word and my only excuse would be it was done in some angry, defensive retort. I am sorry. I have tried to make nice with Diana T before, and it didn't work then. So I won't hold my breath that she wants a truce.

Igor, can you actually find a 'political rant' by me that wasn't simply a balance to something already posted that was way out in 'left field'? This is a discussion board, and not just the Baja DNC sounding forum, right? If the liberal ideology is posted first, it is only fair that equal time be heard.... in a democracy, anyway.

Back to Baja... let's hope!

BeemerDan - 3-25-2013 at 10:07 AM

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Originally posted by willardguy
GEOGRAPHOBIA !

its a real condition where people are terrified of maps!

gotta be it! :?:

Who ratted me out?
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DianaT - 3-25-2013 at 10:17 AM

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Originally posted by BeemerDan

Quote:

Originally posted by willardguy
GEOGRAPHOBIA !

its a real condition where people are terrified of maps!

gotta be it! :?:

Who ratted me out?
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Beautiful Photo --- reminds me of the J. R. R. Tolkien quote, “Not all those who wander are lost.” Sometimes too much information can spoil the sense of adventure.