After lurking for a bit it seems there seems to be some "experts" on Baja genealogy.
After coming back from a Arce family reunion this past weekend in La Mision Santo Domingo, I am looking to get more information on descendants. Could
anyone point me in the right direction or provide any direct knowledge.
My dads grandfather is Cenobio Arce (born 1889) who's father is Jose Ignacio Arce Espinosa. Although we are unsure of his exact legal name.
Any help would be appreciated.
Thanks!!
the world of Arces
redmesa - 7-17-2013 at 01:16 PM
You are in luck because Shari and Juan can really help you with their knowledge of the Baja Arces. There is even a movie about them. I am sure Shari
will be contacting you..DENNIS - 7-17-2013 at 01:16 PM
Remember CHUY'S Bar in Ensenada? Chuy was an Arce. I say "was" because he's gone now for maybe ten years.
Jeeeezo....what a wonderful gentleman he was. When some people pass on, they leave a big unfillable hole in life. Chuy was one such man.DianaT - 7-17-2013 at 01:17 PM
and Baja Bucko is your best bet for more information. She has been doing research for a very long time.
Also, Juanita at Casa Leree has a lot of information and many many old photos of members of some of the Arce families.
In Baja California Sur, the name Arce is one of the most common names, if not the most common name. Lots and lots of different Arce families.
Good Luck
[Edited on 7-17-2013 by DianaT]shari - 7-17-2013 at 02:01 PM
yes Baja Bucko is an Arce expert and knows the genealogies very well so U2U'ing her would be your best bet. That must have been a wonderful
reunion..lots of blue & green eyes I bet. Arce's are known for their nobleness and quiet manor as well as musical talents...not to mention
horsemanship...I am proud to be married to one!vacaenbaja - 7-17-2013 at 02:26 PM
If you like I can look them up on La Guia Familiar de Baja
California, although I am sure that tracing this family
old Baja California name will lead to many branches to
be investigated.sdwadie - 7-17-2013 at 02:44 PM
Thanks everyone for your responses!
The reunion was fun, my second year going. Only a handful of blue/green eyes but I always wondered where they came from.
@ vacenbaja Sure if it isn't too much trouble. I am also planning to look at the book at UCSD library
Looks like i need to contact Baja BuckoBajaBlanca - 7-17-2013 at 04:39 PM
welcome to bajanomad sdwadie! what fun to be able to trace your history back as an ARCE descendant. Wish you the best of luck.DENNIS - 7-17-2013 at 04:41 PM
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welcome to bajanomad sdwadie!
Thanks, Blanca. I was gonna say that, but I forgot.
A belated welcome to you, sdwadie.shari - 7-17-2013 at 04:45 PM
Yeah....it's great to have another Arce in the sandbox...I look forward to hearing more about your family and you too.....ya que somos parientes!David K - 7-17-2013 at 05:45 PM
Baja Bucko is the Baja Nomad genealogy specialist... Her grandpa is from San Telmo, if I have my memory correct.
Baja Bucko is 'o2bnbaja1' on those forums...David K - 7-17-2013 at 06:01 PM
By-the-way, Harry Crosby has done a lot of research on the Baja families that were associated with the Spanish soldiers and others assigned to support
the California mission project (1697 +). His books 'Last of the Californios' c1981 and 'Gateway to Alta California' c2003 are excellent sources of
Baja family details. The Mexican film 'Bajo California: The Limit of Time' (made about the year 2000?) is also a great story about the Arce family of
San Francisco de la Sierra.
Bajaboy - 7-17-2013 at 07:17 PM
Seems as if every third person in BA is an Arce...and most are exceptionally cool people, tooDENNIS - 7-17-2013 at 07:33 PM
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Originally posted by Bajaboy
Seems as if every third person in BA is an Arce...and most are exceptionally cool people, too
Do a lot of them sit on the front porch strumming their Banjo?shari - 7-17-2013 at 08:10 PM
never seen a banjo in these parts but you can catch Juan playing his squeeze box most days!DENNIS - 7-17-2013 at 08:28 PM
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Originally posted by shari
never seen a banjo in these parts but you can catch Juan playing his squeeze box most days!
Weren't you looking for a Banjo for Juan once upon a time? Thought you were.shari - 7-17-2013 at 09:00 PM
such a fine memory D...yes I was...he has an acoustic guitar, a 12 string, electric guitar, guitarron, violin but no banjo...we need a bigger house
for all his instruments...the keyboards, accordions, saxes, trumpet and other odds and ends I dont know what they are called.DENNIS - 7-18-2013 at 06:44 AM
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Originally posted by shari
such a fine memory D...yes I was...he has an acoustic guitar, a 12 string, electric guitar, guitarron, violin but no banjo...we need a bigger house
for all his instruments...the keyboards, accordions, saxes, trumpet and other odds and ends I dont know what they are called.
Sounds like Juan needs a Tuba.......a nice, pleasant, mild mannered Tuba.
I'll keep my eyes open around the Segundas.shari - 7-18-2013 at 07:01 AM
thanks Dennis...your a real pal all right...
but seriously...those Arces came from good stock...Spanish cavalry type so I've learned. So naturally they have evolved around ranch life which
usually involves music to pass the evening hours. When the Arce's gather you can expect them to haul out their instruments and jam till the wee hours.
sousaphone
bajaguy - 7-18-2013 at 07:40 AM
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Originally posted by DENNIS
Sounds like Juan needs a Tuba.......a nice, pleasant, mild mannered Tuba.
I'll keep my eyes open around the Segundas.
Hey, Dennis. Look for a Sousaphone. That way he can wander around BA playing his tunes
Ahhh...yes indeed. Just the thing for those romantic serenades. sdwadie - 7-18-2013 at 08:50 AM
I've tried to contact Crosby through his website. But once you hit the "send" button the link doesnt go through.Baja Bucko - 7-18-2013 at 09:50 AM
I have not had the time to answer but I have been DNAing a few Arces and have come up w some great stuff. I have over 4000 names in my database and
that is my Baja California bunch-most pre 1920 and post 1600. Its the old "if you throw a rock into the air in the central desert, it will come down
on the head of an Arce". The Arce Y is VERY VERY interesting!!! Some fascinating stuff will come out of this project.
Harry will probably send you to me.sdwadie - 7-18-2013 at 01:50 PM
WOW! Thats amazing! When/how can i hear more about it?vacaenbaja - 7-18-2013 at 02:46 PM
Most of the Guia Familiar goes by records of death/birth/baptism and marriage. They are classified by
the town or municipality in which the individual filed.
What town was your grandfather born in. Examples are
Santa Rosalia, Ensenada, Mulege San Jose, Comandu,
etc. It will make looking to see if he is listed a lot easier
than going through the whole index of Arces.sdwadie - 7-18-2013 at 04:21 PM
OK. i will try and find outDavid K - 7-21-2013 at 01:17 AM
If you hang out on the Camino Real, the mission road through California that connects the missions and visitas and presidios back to Spain, then you
will cross paths with Baja Bucko... We enjoy her singing at the campfire at Mision Santa Maria de los Angeles, in May 2010:
sdwadie - 7-22-2013 at 12:08 PM
We think that he was born in San Telmo.
Thanks!vacaenbaja - 7-25-2013 at 11:29 AM
I am going to have to see if I can post a scan of the Arce
entries. I could not find the names that you gave me,
but there are lots of entries,some of which may ring a bell to you and send you down the right path. There were some names whose spelling appeared
using
"Y" instead of "I" that you may have to make a determination on. A few Espinozas in the clan too.xolotl_tj - 7-26-2013 at 12:54 PM
In Pablo L. Martínez's Historia de Baja California, the first mention of an Arce occurs with Padre Salvatierra's founding of the mission at Loreto.
Juan de Arce, described as a Spanish sailor, "English by birth but raised in New Spain", arrived with five other men in a small boat on 6 February
1698, delivering the provisions Salvatierra had been waiting for since November of the previous year.
The same book mentions Anastacio Arce, primer regidor (councilman) of Loreto, 1822; Lt Bernardo Arce, taken prisoner by Lt Col. Henry Burton during a
skirmish in San Antonio on 15 March 1848; and José Ignacio Arce, who appears to have been in La Paz in 1880 opposing the insurrection of Gen. Manuel
Márquez de León.DENNIS - 7-26-2013 at 01:31 PM
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Originally posted by xolotl_tj
In Pablo L. Martínez's Historia de Baja California,
Now I have to go find my edition. I wonder why it isn't in reprint?xolotl_tj - 7-26-2013 at 03:17 PM
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Originally posted by DENNIS
Now I have to go find my edition. I wonder why it isn't in reprint?
UABC produced an annotated edition with apparatus criticus in 2003 (3rd ed.) and in 2005 (4th ed.) as Volume 19 in the Baja California: Nuestra
Historia collection of the Instituto de Investigaciones Históricas UABC. I'm pretty sure it's still in print because I see it for sale in the UABC
stall of most cultural expos. It's also still in UABC's catalogue, 2012, although there it's shown as the third edition.DENNIS - 7-26-2013 at 03:32 PM
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Originally posted by xolotl_tj
UABC produced an annotated edition with apparatus criticus in 2003 (3rd ed.) and in 2005 (4th ed.) as Volume 19 in the Baja California: Nuestra
Historia collection of the Instituto de Investigaciones Históricas UABC. I'm pretty sure it's still in print because I see it for sale in the UABC
stall of most cultural expos. It's also still in UABC's catalogue, 2012, although there it's shown as the third edition.
I bought an English edition from a book store in San Juan Capistrano around 1975. [yeah...I know. My Spanish is good enough for the streets, but a
waste of time on a scholarly text book]xolotl_tj - 7-26-2013 at 04:02 PM
(I was unaware of an English edition of Martínez.)
Here are a few more Arces, taken from the very strange Baja California: ensayo enciclopédico by Ricardo Romero Aceves (1985).
José Arce. Mayor of La Paz, 1830, formerly of Loreto. Loreto was the territorial capital at the time but a tempest forced everyone to relocate to La
Paz.
Pedro Arce. "Teacher and altruistic, philanthropic father" (probably means priest here) who founded the Catholic college of Nuestra Señora in La Paz
on 30 May 1906.
Ricardo Arce Pérez. Head of the Tijuana customs-house from 1970 to 1980.
If you get really serious about tracking the old Arces down, find a copy of Historia de la colonización de la Baja California y decreto del 10 de
marzo de 1857 by Ulises Urbano Lassépas. This is now Volume 8 of the aforementioned IIH collection. It is a detailed study of the land-grants
throughout the peninsula up until the middle of the nineteenth century. There are eighteen entries for Arce in its index.DENNIS - 7-26-2013 at 04:06 PM
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Originally posted by xolotl_tj
(I was unaware of an English edition of Martínez.)
I'll be surprised if David K doesn't have one also. He should be here shortly....perhaps after work.David K - 7-26-2013 at 04:27 PM
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Originally posted by DENNIS
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Originally posted by xolotl_tj
(I was unaware of an English edition of Martínez.)
I'll be surprised if David K doesn't have one also. He should be here shortly....perhaps after work.
No surprise today!
David K - 7-26-2013 at 04:44 PM
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Originally posted by xolotl_tj
In Pablo L. Martínez's Historia de Baja California, the first mention of an Arce occurs with Padre Salvatierra's founding of the mission at Loreto.
Juan de Arce, described as a Spanish sailor, "English by birth but raised in New Spain", arrived with five other men in a small boat on 6 February
1698, delivering the provisions Salvatierra had been waiting for since November of the previous year.
on page 140
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Originally posted by xolotl_tj
The same book mentions Anastacio Arce, primer regidor (councilman) of Loreto, 1822; Lt Bernardo Arce, taken prisoner by Lt Col. Henry Burton during a
skirmish in San Antonio on 15 March 1848; and José Ignacio Arce, who appears to have been in La Paz in 1880 opposing the insurrection of Gen. Manuel
Márquez de León.
Sadly, there is no real index in Martinez' book to look up names... just a contents table in the back labeled as the index. I wasn't able to find the
other mentions of Arce, but I may have missed it, I am pretty tired! xolotl_tj - 7-26-2013 at 05:43 PM
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Originally posted by David K
Sadly, there is no real index in Martinez' book to look up names... just a contents table in the back labeled as the index. I wasn't able to find the
other mentions of Arce
Whadaya know, Ethel Duffy Turner translated the book into English shortly after it was first published.
In the Latin tradition of book design, the table of contents is found in the back as the main index. Other indices, for names or places, might also be
found there, but are not obligatory. The UABC edition has both a main index and a name index, which made things easy for me.
Since Martinez worked in chronological order, you might find the missing references just by following the years as given. The UABC edition shuffled
some of his chapters around, so you probably won't get a linear correlation to its pagination, but my citations are found on pages 197, 397, 448, and
489 in case you want to try.David K - 7-26-2013 at 10:30 PM
Thanks, yes I am sure the Arces are there, but my eyes were getting tired after a day working outside.
