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How easy is it to get a medical marijuana prescription card in California? Note: for all you Baja residents that need it...

EnsenadaDr - 8-10-2013 at 08:30 AM

The other day was a real eye opener. A woman I was having a conversation with pulled out her California medical marijuana card. I was alarmed. I thought to myself, does she have terminal cancer? Intractible pain? Fibromyalgia?

It turns out she said she went to a doctor and he gave her a card for $35 for anxiety. That's how easy it is, apparently.

This morning I did some research on the internet and found an article about how easy it is. The article is a little offbeat, with some foul language, but I found the writing hilarious, entertaining and informative.

http://www.cracked.com/blog/how-fast-can-you-get-marijuana-p...

[Edited on 8-10-2013 by EnsenadaDr]

monoloco - 8-10-2013 at 08:44 AM

I would imagine that it's no easier than getting a prescription for Zanax. LOL

55steve - 8-10-2013 at 08:56 AM

Yep, very easy - I know many malingering 20 somethings that have them.

DavidE - 8-10-2013 at 08:56 AM

I wonder.....................................................................................

How many people MISUSE the card.

Pay (thirty-five-dollars) for the card, and then NOT purchase authorized marijuana but run across town and purchase blood-soaked Mexican marijuana and use the card for a "stay-out-of-jail" document.

Go to any authorized medical marijuana clinic in California for an instant trip back into time to the Haight-Ashbury days.

A medical doctor in Sebastopol California recommended that I obtain a medical Rx for marijuana for my various discomforts. So I asked her "I am supposed to subject my pulmonary system to superheated destructive distillates of vegetation, and this is healthy?"

And to think Obamacare© is an issue.

How many Californians oncoming in their car are so stoned they can't remember what happened 10 seconds earlier?

Laugh on, YOU are paying for this. Laugh on, every time you spend fifteen minutes at a Puesto de Control. Oh I got it, let's allow legalization in Mexico where there are no test kits to test drivers after an injury accident, and no manner of re-compensation for the innocent. It's bad enough with chofers borrachos, let's make it worse...

grumble, mumble, harrumph

monoloco - 8-10-2013 at 09:14 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by DavidE
I wonder.....................................................................................

How many people MISUSE the card.

Pay (thirty-five-dollars) for the card, and then NOT purchase authorized marijuana but run across town and purchase blood-soaked Mexican marijuana and use the card for a "stay-out-of-jail" document.

Given the availability, low cost, and superior quality of California pot, I don't know any Californians who would even consider using inferior "blood soaked Mexican marijuana". I believe that most of that blood soaked product ends up in the states where there has been no legalization.

EnsenadaDr - 8-10-2013 at 09:20 AM

Really this is all new to me...I had chronic asthma as a kid so I don't smoke anything...never had an interest in marijuana and don't see what all the brouhaha is about it. I read on the medical boards that 4 regular cigarettes does the same damage to the lungs as 1 marijuana cigarette.

bajaguy - 8-10-2013 at 09:27 AM

Of the total number of cards issued in California I wonder what the percentage is of the people who REALLY need it to the percentage of the "scammers".....just a way for the potheads to get dope.

Ateo - 8-10-2013 at 09:36 AM

And I say, let's get things in perspective............

Alcohol is far more dangerous.

monoloco - 8-10-2013 at 09:38 AM

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Originally posted by EnsenadaDr
I read on the medical boards that 4 regular cigarettes does the same damage to the lungs as 1 marijuana cigarette.
This is a little bit disingenuous in that most people who smoke cigarettes smoke 30 or more a day while most of the people that I know who smoke marijuana, rarely need more than one or two hits, although like anything there are those who will abuse it. With the potency of marijuana these days, one joint would pretty much render a normal person comatose.

monoloco - 8-10-2013 at 09:42 AM

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Originally posted by bajaguy
Of the total number of cards issued in California I wonder what the percentage is of the people who REALLY need it to the percentage of the "scammers".....just a way for the potheads to get dope.
I wonder how many of the people who have been prescribed Zanax and other drugs, really need them, or is it just a scam for big pharma to increase their profits?

DavidE - 8-10-2013 at 09:55 AM

Picky-picky

It's spelled XANAX

And before you get all wound up about California pot versus Mexican pot, CHECK THE PRICES OUT. Want sticker shock?

Yeah right, a stoner who drives 10 miles to save a nickel a gallon for gasoline is going to choose marijuana that costs five times as much...oh god my side hurts...

astrobaja - 8-10-2013 at 10:06 AM

It is a joke how easy it is to get a MM card, just better to legalize it totally!

There is a LOT of gov't/corporate anti mj propoganda out there, the non psychoactive component of MJ known as CBD has major potential as a strong anti cancer drug! It has been studied and found to be a very strong anti-inflamatory and has antioxidant properties too!

But don't take my word for it, watch the CNN documentary Weeds this tomorrow. Dr Sanjay Gupta the neurosurgeon that does CNN's medical adviser role publicly announced his apology for spouting anti-cannabis rhetoric and has done a complete about face based on his indepth studies over the last year.

http://www.cnn.com/2013/08/08/health/gupta-changed-mind-mari...

vgabndo - 8-10-2013 at 11:13 AM

David, I'm going to claim that you are out of touch. I'll ask the question: If you can afford a good bottle of wine to enjoy and get a little high, why would you choose to go across the street and buy some semi-alcoholic vinegar at a cut rate price?

The whole idea of medical cannabis is just a step along the painful road to decriminalization. Big Pharma will screw any politician who advocates legalization because the drug companies are still trying to find a way to make billions off this back yard weed.

The pressure that the citizens are putting on legislators is very powerful, and in time I predict we'll see some return to sanity, but Big Pharma and the Prison Industrial Complex are very very powerful lobbies, and they are still winning.

In this County we have one doctor who write compassionate use recommendations. He charges $150. each. For my first recommendation all I had to document was that I had cancer, and I was actually stressed-out a little bit by that. I also have painful arthritic deterioration of one ankle, one knee, eleven finger joints, and my lumbar spine. Because in am in Stage III kidney failure, I have had to cut way back on the Allopurinol for my Gout. As a result I now have frequent Gout flare-ups, and this isn't likely to get much better because as my kidney dies, my system grows more and more toxic with uric acid. I recently allowed myself to get dehydrated and started sweating ammonia. Try THAT for stress relief. Does cannabis relieve my pain? A little perhaps, but more importantly it elevates my mood, and makes me less irritable when I bend my fingers. I grow my own medicine in the privacy of my own property, I don't drive DUI, I don't steal for my needs, and I certainly don't recommend that young people use the substance. (Except the truth that they are less likely to die in a car crash if they smoke rather than drink, but no one has ever asked me.)

The DA here even recently convicted a thief for stealing a man's legal medical crop, then returned the evidence to the victim.

The Feds, on the other hand, will screw with the dispensaries at any opportunity. One would think, at this point, that even the anecdotal evidence was adequate to make a distinction between heroin, angle dust, and pot, but it isn't enough evidence for that form of brain death we call "congress".

Is it too easy for some people to get a Cannabis permit, YES, is it too easy to get a concealed weapon carry permit? YES

Yup, the system is just too "loaded" to think straight.

The science of cannabis as medicine

Mulegena - 8-10-2013 at 11:23 AM

Check out Realm of Caring at:

Realmofcaringfoundation.org
or
realmofcaring.com

or their page on Facebook.

They are legal providers in the state of Colorado and have developed a hybrid strain of cannabis that is disproportionately low in THC, which is the psychoactive part of the plant, and high in cannabidol which is the part of the plant that has been proven to have medicinal properties.

They're refining their herb into a concentrated oil and provide it at low cost or free to legal users who cannot afford it and for whom conventional medicine has no benefit.

Very interesting, imo.

woody with a view - 8-10-2013 at 11:35 AM

why drive to get it when it grows like a, AHEM, weed in the yard....

mtgoat666 - 8-10-2013 at 11:53 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by Mulegena
Check out Realm of Caring at:

Realmofcaringfoundation.org
or
realmofcaring.com

or their page on Facebook.

They are legal providers in the state of Colorado and have developed a hybrid strain of cannabis that is disproportionately low in THC, which is the psychoactive part of the plant, and high in cannabidol which is the part of the plant that has been proven to have medicinal properties.

They're refining their herb into a concentrated oil and provide it at low cost or free to legal users who cannot afford it and for whom conventional medicine has no benefit.

Very interesting, imo.


hhmmmmmmm,... me thinks the THC part is the best medicine, just saying,... ahhhh, the days of youth,...

DavidE - 8-10-2013 at 01:04 PM

They are going to TAX THE KRAP out of marijuana when it becomes legal. If white widow was such a GOOD VALUE then you could not GIVE AWAY Mexican pot for free. Yet hundreds of not thousands of tons makes it way across the border every year. Why? It ain't cause of the color amigo - it's $ $$ and $$$ driving the market.

Drop the TAX on marijuana and suddenly government COULD CARE LESS if pot smokers drop dead in their tracks. The same as property tax, a moving violation, a parking ticket, or sky high fuel tax, it's ALL ABOUT THE MONEY. Haven't you figured it out yet.

Yeah, right, someone is going to plant and nurture, fertilize and cultivate LEGAL marijuana in his back yard as cheap as the thousands of acres under cultivation in Mexico. You know, the ones that pay their folks ten dollars a day to tend the fields. Mexican cartels can sell their marijuana wholesale in the states for ten dollars an ounce 28 grams out of a 1,000 gram kilo and still make a killing. Anyone you know want to grow competitive pot for this price?

People who DEMAND cheap marijuana "at any price" can come up with a hundred billion rationalizations why their opinion makes sense and any others are ignorant, repressive, old hat, regressive and outdated. These are the folks that if they graduated high school may have gotten as high as a D- in a college economics class.

I do NOT CARE if a person stuffs lit joints in their mouth, both nostrils, ears, and anywhere else there's a hole. I do NOT however want them enjoying the same premium as non smoking health care members, taking the wheel of a car, or endangering my life because they Oops dusted my french fries with Warfarin.

The ONLY way to END the narcotics madness is to SUBSIDIZE FREE DRUGS to anyone that wants them. Then clamp ankle bracelets around both ankles so they cannot drive or endanger someone else's life. What was it yesterday a guy claimed he killed his baby by shaking it to death but he didn't know what he was doing because he was stoned?

Fine! Put all the cuckoos in the same nuthouse, but keep them away from me. Yeah I include alcohol in this mix, and Valium, oxycodone, any intoxicant. Druggies and boozers have cost me lots of misery and money, because they acted STUPID not because they robbed me.

Stay the ^%$#&@! away!

vgabndo - 8-10-2013 at 01:39 PM

In a world where it seems only the devout Muslims don't get high, I judge you are in a tiny minority opinion David. And, considering the clearly obvious angry, intolerant, murderous, faith-based conduct of an international collection of devout Muslims, maybe they aught to take a toke now and then and mellow the flock out.

When everyone can grow it in a flower pot on the window sill, I'm thinking that a lot of money is going out of the 'business'.

monoloco - 8-10-2013 at 01:54 PM

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Originally posted by soulpatch


Clearly Americans can not exist without drugs.... why pretend anymore.

After over 5000 years of documented use, why pretend it's not part of human culture?

vgabndo - 8-10-2013 at 03:39 PM

I don't think Adam and Eve NEEDED anything psychotropic. Claims have been made that they were hearing talking snakes before they ever took a toke.:lol::lol:

bajaguy - 8-10-2013 at 03:42 PM

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Originally posted by vgabndo
I don't think Adam and Eve NEEDED anything psychotropic. Claims have been made that they were hearing talking snakes before they ever took a toke.:lol::lol:





Nobody NEEDS anything psychotropic

DavidE - 8-10-2013 at 04:07 PM

There's nothing like education - to wit the culture of hashish

Islam
Main articles: Halal and Islamic dietary laws

The Quran does not directly forbid cannabis; however, cannabis is deemed to be khamr (an intoxicant) by many religious scholars and therefore generally believed to be haraam (sinful). Generally in MODERN orthodox Islam, conservative scholars deem cannabis an intoxicant and therefore, according to the Hadith, it is classified as haraam. The Hadith is the book of sayings of the Prophet Mohammed, which states: "If much intoxicates, then even a little is haram." There are dissenting voices, however, who say that the word used in the Koran itself is khamr - which means "fermented grape" - and that this classification doesn't cover use of marijuana.

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The Decline of Islamic Hashish Culture

In no small way, European influences on Islamic culture in the 19th century saw considerable decline of the hashish ingesting faqirs, sufis and mendicants that had always played some part in the Islamic community, albeit often as an antinomian force on the fringes of society.

Although, through vows of renunciation and chastity faqirs often owned no more than a few rags, a pipe for hashish and a begging bowl, they were viewed by much of Islamic culture as holy men, “intoxicated” by their closeness to God, who were in a perpetual state of ‘not-of-this earth’, and thus above the religious the laws of the common worshipper. “Such figures were regarded as majzubs, persons whose state of permanent and enraptured ‘closeness’ (qurbat) or attraction (jazb) to God rendered them the ideal intercessors and workers of wonders. As such, their every transgression was permissible, since it was necessarily committed through divine dis- pensation” (Green, 2009). Cannabis played a clear and prominent role in producing this state of divine intoxications. “Like his Hindu brother the Musalman fakir reveres bhang as the lengthener of life, the freer from the bonds of self. Bhang brings union with the Divine Spirit” (Campbell, 1894).

Despite their abject poverty, many faqirs and sufis were made rich daily in generous food donations by members of the community, These donations of food given to these faqirs were often delicately prepared and shared in large open gatherings that extolled a party like atmosphere. Such dervish figures at the center of this were a remnant of the ecstatic worship of much more ancient times, and their music filled banquets, with dancing and copious use of hashish, offered a sort of sacred car- nival like form of worship as an alternative to the more ascetic and dour practices of the majority of Islamic culture.

When the English and other European countries sought to establish their dominance in the Mid-East and India, they were distressed to find these unruly, half-naked and cannabis intoxicated rebels that were a common and even popular site in many Islamic communities. The British had “culturally protestant notions of what constituted true religion as opposed to su- perstition and charlantry… the religious forms associated with the faqir …raised the greatest contempt…”(Green, 2009).

….While many senior officials expressed a diplomatic ambivalence towards drug-use (sometimes framed in terms of ganja’s beneficial ef- fects on productivity), in matters of religion the issue was more clear: intoxication played no part in ‘true religion’, whether Muslim or Christian. The drug using faqir was by definition a ‘charlatan’… who clothed his degeneracy in the robes of religion. When combined with the rise of a new class of bourgeois Muslim reformers, this critique was to have tremendous implications in Hyderabad and beyond for the disciplining effects of ‘religion’ reconceived as modern discourse. So successful has this notion of ‘true religion’ been in commercial academic culture that the qualifier (‘true’) is typically implicit in the broader category (‘religion’). This is especially the case with regard to Islam, whose inclusive realm was reduced by the course of colonial history. (Green, 2009)

Further, the envoys of the British and other European countries with Imperialistic ideals were shocked when such intoxicated half naked faqirs publicly cheered and ridiculed them, acting with all the au- dacity and authority of beggar kings. As George Orwell, who for a time served as a Burmese police officer, wrote, “Every white man’s life in the East was one long struggle not to be laughed at” (Orwell, 1971).1 It did not take long for shock to grow into boiling anger, as the ‘disrespectful’ antics of these Holy clowns, or ‘wise-guys’ resulted in the laughter and amusement of the common people the Europeans desired to dominate, and such perceived ‘disrespect’ could not long be tolerated. “The faqir, whose religious status and time-honored freedoms lent him a considerable degree of free expression, was emerging as quite literally the voice of the Muslim ‘street’” (Green, 2009).

We can easily imagine the impression made by the drugged and dirty faqirs on the British. In the… 1893 colonial Report on the Cultivation and Use of Ganja, we read how “by means of considerable doses of bhang frequently repeat- ed, [mendicants] induce a condition of frenzy which is supposed to indicate supernatural ‘possession’”… Order needed to be maintained: whatever ‘superstitions’ the locals might attach to these figures, the streets where sahibs walked had to be free from the haranguing of intoxicated beggars. (Green, 2009)

British and European anger over the antics and the blatant disrespect of these faqirs, was thus clearly combined with “legal and moral confoundment at this new mode of intoxication, so far detached from the beer and whiskey-soda of the European clubs and barracks in India” (Green, 2009).

The ‘unruly’ political influence of these hashish ingesting faqirs on the common people was but one aspect of European concerns. In Islam and the Army in Colonial India: Sepoy Religion in the Service of Empire, Nile Green discusses the influence of hashish ingesting faqirs and mendicants on Islamic soldiers in service of the British Raj. “In imputing a substitute for the authority of the officer’s rank and the agency of the soldier’s effort, the alternative authority of the miraculous holy man had the potential to undermine the organizational basis of the modern army” (Green, 2009). Many Islamic soldiers were attending the hashish and music fuelled banquets held by the faqirs, and as a result being influenced by their faqirs disrespect and jeering of the European military commanders who ruled over them. But the is- sues of concern here went far beyond the mere disruption of the military hierarchy, and the faqirs were viewed by the British as rabble rousing resistors to the take-over by the British Raj in India. Further, such ‘political’ resistance of faqirs against Euro- peans was in no way confined to India.

…[T]he ‘dervish’ army of millenarian Mahdi of Sudan and the Sufi militia of Naqshhbandi initiates led by Imam Shamil that held at bay Russia’s march into the Caucasus are merely the two most famous examples of organized Muslim ascetic resistance to European empire-building… nineteenth-century travelers to Iran… frequently met with hostility from the faqirs they encountered in the streets, public spaces that the faqirs in a sense owned as permanent residents of the urban outdoors… faqirs… clown’s freedom served as a role of increasing political importance as both Iranian and Indian elites entered alliances with the European powers…. In James Fairweathers memoirs of fighting the rebels of 1857, he recalled a skirmish… with a group of around 200 mujahadin, noting that ‘many of them were so drugged with bhang that they did not know whether they were striking with the flat or the edge of their swords’. (Green, 2009)

Such rabble rousing and unruly aspects of Islamic culture, who would not be swayed by the European’s promises of power and riches as were the upper class ruling Islamic elite, were not to go unchallenged, particularly by the British Raj.

….Unable to intervene in religious matters by explicit dint of colonial policy, the British in India… faced the perplexing dilemma in the insulting antics of such figures… taunting them… as they passed in the streets… [I]t was here the new laws on insanity and vagrancy proved useful. For if the faqir’s activities could not be prohibited so long as they were regarded as part of the autonomous sphere of ‘religion’ – which the British were compelled to at least make a show of respect for… the problem of silencing the faqirs… disappeared if his deeds could instead be classified as those of a madman. (Green, 2009)

Thus, in order to rid these streets of these unruly hashish intoxicated “madmen” new British legislation was drawn up in Colonial India “including legislation on drug use and the incarceration of mendicants in India’s insane asylums” (Green, 2009).

The import of the faqirs reckless jeers, his nakedness and his open drug-use were for these reasons reinterpreted in official policy as signs of his insanity and his ‘anti-social’ character. Given the widespread role of faqirs…, the expanded role of the asylum was therefore one of several ways in which these unruly agitators were controlled. By these means, the social meaning of the faqir was reversed: his activities were no longer evidence of jazb, of sweet intoxication in God’s presence, but proof instead of insanity.

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This is drifting afar from México so this is it for me on this permutation...

mtgoat666 - 8-10-2013 at 08:07 PM

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Originally posted by bajaguy
Quote:
Originally posted by vgabndo
I don't think Adam and Eve NEEDED anything psychotropic. Claims have been made that they were hearing talking snakes before they ever took a toke.:lol::lol:


Nobody NEEDS anything psychotropic


It's not the governments business what I need or want.

Pot should be no different than alcohol: legal.

bajamedic - 8-10-2013 at 10:50 PM

First things first; my wife and the mother of my children died with a brain tumor (Astrocytoma), she died in my arms, in our bedroom with me providing her end of life care. My father died with a type of lung cancer (Mesothelioma) and I also provided his end of life care in his own home. My daughter has successfully fought Hodgkin’s Lymphoma using Stem Cell/Bone Marrow treatment after three different unsuccessful chemo attempts, so I am fairly familiar with cancer and its effect on the body and mind. I also understand the effect of many terminal and non-terminal diseases that have wreaked havoc on so many friends and patients as I have worked in the health care field as both a CEO and in an ambulance as a Mobile Intensive Care Paramedic for more years than I like to admit. I also live in the “Emerald Triangle” of California where many of my neighbors are large scale growers and yes there are several large cartel grows in the forest around here. So based on that… in my humble opinion… 90% of marijuana use that I have personally observed is for personal pleasure, not medicine. A 215 card is just an excuse for use of the drug… 10% is used for medicinal benefit. At our closest university (Chico State), there is a doctor standing on the street handing out 215 recommendations for $35.00 to any student that has the money, he works at lightning speed, handing out the paperwork and collecting his $35.00 and all you need is a hangnail and you qualify. Again, just my opinion, just what we need, a whole bunch of unmotivated, relaxed people sitting around with the munchies and yes, many of those people are driving on our roadways and the cause of accidents where I live. Let us remember that those wanting the medical effect can always use Marinol and avoid the “high”. I do not intend to offend anyone that actually uses medical marijuana for legitimate medical reasons; it’s just the excessive recreational use that I see every day around me. And as a side note… I also find the growers standing on our public roads holding baseball bats and giving me the “stink eye” when I drive by a little offensive, again, just my opinion, not trying to be offensive. IF marijuana has a medical benefit, it should be legal and controlled just like all of our medications. JH

wessongroup - 8-11-2013 at 08:03 AM

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Originally posted by DavidE
I wonder.....................................................................................


grumble, mumble, harrumph


A keeper :lol::lol::lol:

BajaRat - 8-11-2013 at 08:19 AM

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Originally posted by mtgoat666
Quote:
Originally posted by bajaguy
Quote:
Originally posted by vgabndo
I don't think Adam and Eve NEEDED anything psychotropic. Claims have been made that they were hearing talking snakes before they ever took a toke.:lol::lol:


Nobody NEEDS anything psychotropic


It's not the governments business what I need or want.

Pot should be no different than alcohol: legal.




How about the concept of freedom ?
What gives anybody the right to dictate what anybody does unless its in the course of harming others... IE operating a vehicle under the influence of anything intoxicating to the point of endangering others. We don't have the God given right to tell each other what or how to believe and now someone else decides what plants you can or can't grow in your garden ? Man has gone off the deep end in his zeal and religious fervor.
Get a Monsanto bumper sticker fake freedom lovers.
Your free to do what your told..........
Now back to your scheduled programming. :cool:

wessongroup - 8-11-2013 at 08:59 AM

Dittos, Rat ... :):)

MMc - 8-11-2013 at 09:06 AM

Well stated BajRat, I like that you bring forth responsibly and real freedom, to bad most don't get it. I have understood how other know what is better for me, a bit elitist. :?::o:saint:

bledito - 8-11-2013 at 01:33 PM

as a herb showing good results for a number of illnesses It should be allowed to help those people who need it. I think most people faced with the dilema of relief vs. laws will attempt to circumvent the law to gain the relief.

Good Program to Watch!

Bomberro - 8-11-2013 at 05:12 PM

Had TV on and CNN has a special on Weed. Sanjay Gupta. I am not an expert and there are many on this blog, keeping an open mind I am watching this Special to hopefully learn more. I see it going to be rebroadcast this coming Friday the 16th. Tune in.

Sorry to bring it up, but...

Mulegena - 8-11-2013 at 05:13 PM

no matter the discussion going on here-- what we think about it yea or ney--
a medical marijuana card issued in any state in the USA isn't legal in Mexico.
Bottom line.
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Originally posted by EnsenadaDr
...A woman I was having a conversation with pulled out her California medical marijuana card...
[Edited on 8-10-2013 by EnsenadaDr]

BigLou - 8-11-2013 at 06:34 PM

David with all due respect you need an ativan. Cnn at 8 tonight.

gnukid - 8-11-2013 at 08:13 PM

fyi in CA you need only a prescription fot MJ to be legal, the card is something that each county provides to demonstrate proof of a prescription but is not required to be legal nor required to purhase or grow MJ.

In MX MJ is decriminalized but posession is still a "delito contra la salud" and you get a ticket at the station, after the third time you are supposed to take class or something.

Of course, cops will tell gringos it is a serious offense to scare you and demand a large multa. And if MJ is found in conjuction with other substances or in large quantity it is a serious offense wih punishment of jail time.

gnukid - 8-11-2013 at 08:16 PM

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Originally posted by vgabndo
I don't think Adam and Eve NEEDED anything psychotropic. Claims have been made that they were hearing talking snakes before they ever took a toke.:lol::lol:


FYI even Caffeine (coffee) and Chocolate are considered psychotropic.

mulegemichael - 8-11-2013 at 08:35 PM

uhhh people, HELLO!!!!...it's already legal for recreational use in washington state and colorado....anyone see sanje guptas documentary tonite on "WEED"????...grow up...or go gulp down a 6 pack of budweiser for a glow

Lee - 8-12-2013 at 08:16 AM

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Originally posted by soulpatch
Also remember, that what flies in baja can be completely different than on the mainland.

So, to say if you smoke weed in all of Mexico and the police see you that they will toss you in the hoosegow is just not true.

You just have to know your backyard...

When you see the cops relaxing at la playa with an either-ender after work while hanging out with the surfers.... well, maybe you should get to be on a first name basis with your local constable.


When I pull up to a checkpoint and sniff the air and get into a discussion about this stuff, I have to think it's not that big a deal. Depends on the boys on duty. In my opinion, any stringent MX laws apply to gringoes, not the rest of the crew. That's not to say there aren't anti-herb folks enforcing the laws.

Didn't someone post that in MX, it's against the law for gringoes to partake, but not locals? Ha ha.

DavidE - 8-12-2013 at 08:53 AM

OK, who wants to be the FIRST one to try it out? Please give at least 2 weeks advance notice so all travel arrangements, securing a nice folding chair, camera (oh wait, they don't allow photos at Puestos de Controles) can be made. It's EASY to test the theory, just hammer on a Cheech & Chong size doobie for fifteen minutes, then roll down your window as the soldado approaches your car.

Claim to the guys with the guns sticking in your face that your buddy did all the smoking, your eyes are red because of allergies and you would never drive stoned.

Yeah, that otter do it...

monoloco - 8-12-2013 at 09:44 AM

A buddy of mine from La Paz, who uses MJ for medical reasons, was recently caught with a small amount of marijuana at the checkpoint north of El Rosario. They just took his stash and let him go. I don't advocate driving around Mexico with marijuana, but I really don't think that anyone is going to end up in serious trouble for a few grams of pot, since it clearly states in the criminal statute that 5 grams or less is not a criminal offense, that's not to say that an unscrupulous cop wouldn't attempt to scare the crap out of someone in an attempt to extort them. This law applies to everyone, not just "locals".

DavidE - 8-12-2013 at 10:23 AM

Interesting

When I asked a soldado there regarding ANY amount of mota, he replied

"Detener con esposas"

"Arrest and handcuffs"

I ain't gonna try it out and see which is which...

bledito - 8-12-2013 at 10:44 AM

USA. fed gov will reduce sentences of non violent drug offenders Today. amounts not to be listed for smaller quantities not related to trafficking sale to minor, or cartel ,or gang affiliation non voilent offenders currently serving may get sentences reduced. so i would think the average U,S citizen growing a plant or two in thier garden is not going to get ( time) incarcerated.