BajaNomad - U.S. says no charges for border agent who shot Mexican teen

U.S. says no charges for border agent who shot Mexican teen

Cisco - 8-12-2013 at 03:29 PM

PHOENIX (Reuters) - U.S. authorities will not bring charges against a Border Patrol agent in Arizona who shot dead a rock-throwing Mexican teenager two years ago because the fatal injury did not occur in the United States, the Justice Department said on Friday.

An unidentified Border Patrol agent shot Ramses Barron, a 17-year-old Mexican citizen, through the border fence in Nogales, Arizona, in the early hours of January 5, 2011.

The incident began after agents responded to reports of a group of people trying to smuggle suspected drug packages across the border, the department said. The group, among them Barron, then pelted the agents with rocks, forcing them to take cover.

An independent investigation concluded that the agent fired the fatal shot after Barron ignored commands in Spanish to stop throwing rocks. A videotape of the incident captured Barron making a "throwing motion with his right arm, then falling to the ground," the department said in a news release.

No charges were brought because the department "lacks jurisdiction" to prosecute the agent under a criminal civil rights use of force statute that "requires that the victim be in the United States when he was injured," it said.

Over the past five years, U.S. border agents have fired into Mexico at least 10 times, killing six Mexicans, according to a report released earlier this year by the Washington Monthly and the Investigative Fund at The Nation Institute.

In another Border Patrol shooting incident in Nogales in October, 16-year-old Mexican citizen Jose Antonio Elena Rodriguez was shot at least seven times from behind after an agent, or agents, opened fire across the border.

Following the shooting, Mexican authorities condemned the U.S. Border Patrol's use of lethal force and called for a timely and transparent investigation, which is continuing.

In a separate report released on Friday, the Justice Department said it would not pursue charges against another Border Patrol agent who shot and killed a 19-year-old U.S. citizen in the border city of Douglas, Arizona, in March 2011.

Douglas police officers had earlier spotted Carlos LaMadrid loading suspected drug bundles into a truck. LaMadrid then fled south in the truck toward the border, striking a Border Patrol agent's vehicle, before scrambling up a ladder placed against the border fence, the report said.

The unidentified agent opened fire after another man on top of the fence began throwing "brick sized rocks." LaMadrid, who got "in the line of fire" between the agent and the rock thrower, was struck by four bullets and later died in hospital, it said.

In that case, the department said, a careful and thorough review concluded that there was insufficient evidence to pursue homicide or criminal civil rights charges against the agent.

http://sc.news.yahoo.com/u-says-no-charges-border-agent-shot...

Good News

MrBillM - 8-12-2013 at 08:23 PM

Justice Done.

Hopefully, a lesson learned.

And, those who recklessly use deadly objects in behalf of criminals will KNOW that they might pay the ultimate price.

For bringing rocks to a Gunfight.

A-M-F

Terry28 - 8-13-2013 at 03:43 PM

Mr. Bile. Your compassion is equal to your IQ...single digits for sure.

Compassion

MrBillM - 8-13-2013 at 08:09 PM

For Criminals who attack Law Enforcement with Deadly Weapons is a "Virtue" (?) I'll happily leave to the Liberals.

motoged - 8-13-2013 at 11:59 PM

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Mr. Bile. Your compassion is equal to your IQ...single digits for sure.

Willy Wanker seems to crawl out from his neolithic slime pit when he gets aroused by opportunities to dance around the fire of others' misfortunes or matters relating to justice and the use of force.

As someone pointed out that his "right" to freedom of expression allows his putridly hateful verbal puss to ooze onto these threads, I would assume that any replies will also be allowed.

Someone needs to set a limit for such posts...I could ignore his comments, I suppose, and give tacit approval by such silence...but such silence only allows sick ideation to thrive.

The guy is a chittt magnet and I have no problem throwing some of it back . :fire:

wessongroup - 8-14-2013 at 08:26 AM

"The incident began after agents responded to reports of a group of people trying to smuggle suspected drug packages across the border, the department said. The group, among them Barron, then pelted the agents with rocks, forcing them to take cover."

A job, I would decline, for obvious reasons ....

RIP .... a tough short life

Mulegena - 8-14-2013 at 09:57 AM

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Originally posted by wessongroup
"The incident began after agents responded to reports of a group of people trying to smuggle suspected drug packages across the border, the department said. The group, among them Barron, then pelted the agents with rocks, forcing them to take cover."

A job, I would decline, for obvious reasons ....

RIP .... a tough short life

and how do we know they were trying to "smuggle suspected drug packages across the border"? Because "the department said" so?

and these people were still in Mexico and throwing rocks across the border? Come on, what's wrong with this picture, folks?

I'm reminded of the other incidents in which the US has fired shots into Mexico killing unarmed citizens.

DENNIS - 8-14-2013 at 10:09 AM

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Originally posted by Mulegena

and these people were still in Mexico and throwing rocks across the border? Come on, what's wrong with this picture, folks?

There are lots of things wrong with it, the least being US credibility. The BP vehicles that patrol the line have to be armor plated with screens covering the windows because of the rocks and other projectiles thrown and shot at them from the Mexico side. This isn't news....it's fact.

Cisco - 8-14-2013 at 10:41 AM

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Originally posted by DENNIS

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and these people were still in Mexico and throwing rocks across the border? Come on, what's wrong with this picture, folks?

Maybe if they moved out of rock throwing range it would solve a lot of problems, and lives.

DENNIS - 8-14-2013 at 10:48 AM

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Originally posted by Cisco

Maybe if they moved out of rock throwing range it would solve a lot of problems, and lives.

You are, of course, speaking of the vandals and criminals who are throwing the rocks.

DENNIS - 8-14-2013 at 11:21 AM

I need to say this.......I find it unconscionable that US citizens, or anyone for that matter, will go out of their way to find this behavior acceptable, and to call the perpetrators of these criminal events, these attacks, victims of the aftermath of their actions.
People who have not come to terms with the consequences of these actions, should not initiate conflict.

Cisco - 8-14-2013 at 11:42 AM

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Originally posted by DENNIS
I need to say this.......I find it unconscionable that US citizens, or anyone for that matter, will go out of their way to find this behavior acceptable, and to call the perpetrators of these criminal events, these attacks, victims of the aftermath of their actions.
People who have not come to terms with the consequences of these actions, should not initiate conflict.

Sorry Dennis, I really do not think you should bring a gun to a rock-fight.

wessongroup - 8-14-2013 at 11:50 AM

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Originally posted by Mulegena

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Why, cuz, its happening 24/7 ....... over the new "Silk Road" or "Silk Lake" and on BOTH sides of the border

http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-504083_162-20061463-504083.html

http://geo-mexico.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/04/STRATFOR-Me...

[Edited on 8-14-2013 by wessongroup]

DENNIS - 8-14-2013 at 12:22 PM

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Originally posted by Cisco

Sorry Dennis, I really do not think you should bring a gun to a rock-fight.

Yes!!! You should. The situation on our southern border is a result of our failure to protect the line throughout history. It is a minor hindrance for the uncontrolled importation of drugs and criminals who come with them.
Without deadly force to repel these elements, they would be crossing as an armed force more so than they already do.
How can you begin to say these border guards should not be armed for at least their own protection?
How can you begin to say that they should tolerate the attacks by Mexico's thickest scum without protecting themselves?
I doubt even the ACLU would say that.

Cisco - 8-14-2013 at 12:46 PM

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Sorry Dennis, I really do not think you should bring a gun to a rock-fight.

Paranoid much?

As Hillary said during her Mexico City meet last year, we cannot stop it or legalize it, there's too much money involved.

American end users of product, American banks laundering billions in drug money, American arms manufacturers selling to SELECTED cartels (remember 'Fast and Furious') Oops, sorry folks we got busted on that one. Obama pulling his first "Executive Privilege" and Holder unable to be questioned. American officers allowing selected loads across and crushing the competition at illegal checkpoints.

Remember "God-Bless Ollie" 30 years ago. For two years he flew/brought in 60% to 70% of cocaine used in the U.S. with FAA told to look the other way.

History, yea man, get real.

DENNIS - 8-14-2013 at 02:47 PM

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Originally posted by Cisco

Paranoid much?

As Hillary said during her Mexico City meet last year, we cannot stop it or legalize it, there's too much money involved.

American end users of product, American banks laundering billions in drug money, American arms manufacturers selling to SELECTED cartels (remember 'Fast and Furious') Oops, sorry folks we got busted on that one. Obama pulling his first "Executive Privilege" and Holder unable to be questioned. American officers allowing selected loads across and crushing the competition at illegal checkpoints.

Remember "God-Bless Ollie" 30 years ago. For two years he flew/brought in 60% to 70% of cocaine used in the U.S. with FAA told to look the other way.

History, yea man, get real.

Let's not stray on point from Chapo to Ollie.
I didn't allude to or reference product.....only the courier with his tools coming north, and if that ain't real, nothing is.

Why do you defend and champion this effort?

Cisco - 8-14-2013 at 02:54 PM

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I was speaking to your misuse of history to make an invalid point.

Your statement: "Yes!!! You should. The situation on our southern border is a result of our failure to protect the line throughout history. It is a minor hindrance for the uncontrolled importation of drugs and criminals who come with them.
Without deadly force to repel these elements, they would be crossing as an armed force more so than they already do.
How can you begin to say these border guards should not be armed for at least their own protection?
How can you begin to say that they should tolerate the attacks by Mexico's thickest scum without protecting themselves?
I doubt even the ACLU would say that."

I said NONE of that. Those are your own paranoid statements. The only reference I made to a gun was not to bring one to a rockfight. All the rest of this B.S. is your attributing it to me, putting words in my mouth.

Not gonna happen man.

DENNIS - 8-14-2013 at 02:59 PM

Having a participation slump at your "Fulano's Garbage" site...eh Ceeesco?

Cisco - 8-14-2013 at 03:20 PM

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Originally posted by DENNIS
Having a participation slump at your "Fulano's Garbage" site...eh Ceeesco?

I have NEVER been to that site Dennis and I'm sure you know that.

You are obviously out of answers as to why people are so threatened by what is happening in our country that they willingly shoot unarmed, and I really mean unarmed, you've been in rock fights, people ACROSS INTERNATIONAL BORDERS with some regularity.

Get some compassion and common sense going here Dennis. These BP were not in any real danger and they could have moved away from any incident. They are being cowboy.

I grew up on the border and lived among BP and Immigration officers for years. It was a different deal then as I have related before, we did not have these counter-productive incidents and deaths going on then.

I attribute the diminishing abilities, intellect and performance to the huge increase (4000 to 22000) of ill-trained, some criminal with lack of background checks, uniformed personnel on the border since our 'scare' of 9-11.

"There is only a sliver of difference in character between a criminal and a police officer. Frequently both make use of the same tactics; but due to our black/white cultural indoctrination, too many presume that the one wearing the uniform has the RIGHT to use violence. Woe to any society that worships "the uniform.""

I recently posted on OT regarding the tragedies imposed by the TSA and their intent to now begin stopping and body-searching anyone, ANYWHERE and anytime. CBP has that same attitude and it is disgusting that the American people are putting up with it.

Get real. Guy shot across the border (only one of many) unarmed (basically) and no retribution because he died in another country.

Personally I take your posted comment personally and can only tell you to shove it AH.

DENNIS - 8-14-2013 at 04:57 PM

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Having a participation slump at your "Fulano's Garbage" site...eh Ceeesco?

I have NEVER been to that site Dennis and I'm sure you know that.

Cisco - 8-14-2013 at 05:09 PM

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Having a participation slump at your "Fulano's Garbage" site...eh Ceeesco?

I have NEVER been to that site Dennis and I'm sure you know that.

Well, try again:

"I have NEVER been to that site Dennis and I'm sure you know that."

Seriously Dennis you got the wrong Hombre. Never been there.

Check it out if you go over there I would like to know if someone is representing me illegitimately. Please post or u2u me, that is some serious s*** and I will have their information run and find out what's up.

Incidentally no-one else has EVER said they have seen me anywhere but here. This is the only Baja forum I'm on.

You trying for a put-down here or is this for real???

DENNIS - 8-14-2013 at 05:26 PM

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Originally posted by Cisco
"I have NEVER been to that site Dennis and I'm sure you know that."

Seriously Dennis you got the wrong Hombre. Never been there.

Check it out if you go over there I would like to know if someone is representing me illegitimately. Please post or u2u me, that is some serious s*** and I will have their information run and find out what's up.

Incidentally no-one else has EVER said they have seen me anywhere but here. This is the only Baja forum I'm on.

You trying for a put-down here or is this for real???

STOP IT. You're a liar....and a fraud.
Try to tell me that anyone with your obvious interest and knowledge of Mexico...not to mention your all too-familiar patterns of speech, as well as your argumentative expertise, has not visited the well mentioned Fulano Toilet? Has never been there? Knows nothing about the cesspool?

IT'S YOU, FU....and we all know it. This IS for real.

Carry on, bonehead.

Cisco - 8-14-2013 at 05:43 PM

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Hah. Now I get it. No man you are totally wrong not to mention hallucinogenic.

Have never to my knowledge read anything Fulano has written so can't help you there.

You might ask Shari about who I am, ask her how the bamboo cutting board with the ulu is holding up, then please write back and apologize for your unwarranted comments and stupidity.

Oh, ask her if Juan ever made that cement mixer I sent her the plans for, that was so cool.

Cisco - 8-14-2013 at 05:57 PM

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Just occurred to me that you were able to get us completely off-topic here also Dennis.

You want to get back to that or are you sufficiently piqued to just forgo any further embarrassment?

DENNIS - 8-14-2013 at 06:41 PM

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Originally posted by Cisco

Just occurred to me that you were able to get us completely off-topic here also Dennis.

You want to get back to that or are you sufficiently piqued to just forgo any further embarrassment?

"The lady doth protest too much"

Cisco - 8-14-2013 at 06:51 PM

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"The lady doth protest too much"

Perhaps we can chat in the morning when you are sober Dennis.

The e-mails I'm getting tell me that you are probably pretty plowed by now, that's probably the reason for your lack of understanding.

Nighty-night.

DENNIS - 8-14-2013 at 07:34 PM

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Originally posted by Cisco
Perhaps we can chat in the morning when you are sober Dennis.

The e-mails I'm getting tell me that you are probably pretty plowed by now, that's probably the reason for your lack of understanding.

Nighty-night.

Haven't had so much as a beer for days. Not even a good try.

Go back to your cesspool and post something mean and nasty about me so Roberto and minnow can whack off in delight. They're about the end of your sycophantic audience, aren't they?

By the way...I do understand....don't I!!!
Don't bother with one of your "last word" witticisms. No one cares.

DENNIS - 8-14-2013 at 07:45 PM

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Originally posted by DENNIS
Go back to your cesspool and post something mean and nasty about me

No surprise. I see you already did that.

Now....who did you say you weren't? :lol:

Bajaboy - 8-14-2013 at 09:39 PM

:barf:

aguachico - 8-14-2013 at 10:02 PM

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Originally posted by Cisco

These BP were not in any real danger and they could have moved away from any incident. They are being cowboy.

And you know this how?

Mulegena - 8-15-2013 at 12:55 AM

Exerpted from the Reuters article:

"Over the past five years, U.S. border agents have fired into Mexico at least 10 times, killing six Mexicans, according to a report released earlier this year by the Washington Monthly and the Investigative Fund at The Nation Institute."

"In another Border Patrol shooting incident in Nogales in October, 16-year-old Mexican citizen Jose Antonio Elena Rodriguez was shot at least seven times from behind after an agent, or agents, opened fire across the border.
Following the shooting, Mexican authorities condemned the U.S. Border Patrol's use of lethal force and called for a timely and transparent investigation..."

"No charges were brought because the [Justice Department] department "lacks jurisdiction" to prosecute the agent under a criminal civil rights use of force statute that "requires that the victim be in the United States when he was injured," it said."

In other words this is their trump card which allows US agents to knowingly fire weapons across the border with the intention to harm the victim on the other side of the border, kill with impunity because "the department "lacks jurisdiction" to prosecute...". Additionally, there is no bi-national cooperative investigation.

chuckie - 8-15-2013 at 04:46 AM

No one who was not at those scenes, boots on the ground, knows what transpired, what provocations occured, what really happened. So maybe all the suppostion and condemnation should stop....

MULEgena asks what's wrong ?

MrBillM - 8-15-2013 at 05:03 PM

With the "Rocky Road" Picture.

Obviously, not having paid attention to the original story.

The "Rock-Throwers" aren't the MULES, but work in concert with the Drug-Movers.

Assaulting responding agents as a diversionary tactic.

Which makes perfect sense.

Of course, Mulegena can Speculate (without evidence) that the facts are other than KNOWN.

People DO speculate.

Without Facts.

Often.

chuckie - 8-15-2013 at 05:17 PM

As you just did....

That's the POINT

MrBillM - 8-16-2013 at 08:21 AM

Speculation runs rampant in these Forums.

By MOST.

wessongroup - 8-16-2013 at 09:00 AM

I'd speculate that might be true ... :biggrin:

Retireded - 8-17-2013 at 08:43 PM

After reading all this, I feel compelled to comment. It seems to me that if the U.S authorities cannot prosecute because the injury/death occurred on the Mexican side of the border then the cbp should be restrained from firing across the border in any situation other than returning Gunfire. Being pelted with rocks, forcing them to take cover can be dealt with more appropriately by simply moving a few steps farther from said border.
The U.S. government is much too arrogant for my liking.

Retireded - 8-17-2013 at 08:46 PM

I can just see a civilian arguing in court that the court has no jurisdiction to prosecute a person who kills someone on the other side of the border. You can bet the farm on the outcome of that one.

mtgoat666 - 8-17-2013 at 09:02 PM

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Originally posted by Retireded
After reading all this, I feel compelled to comment. It seems to me that if the U.S authorities cannot prosecute because the injury/death occurred on the Mexican side of the border then the cbp should be restrained from firing across the border in any situation other than returning Gunfire. Being pelted with rocks, forcing them to take cover can be dealt with more appropriately by simply moving a few steps farther from said border.
The U.S. government is much too arrogant for my liking.

shouldn't the USA just extradite the perp to mexico?
at least, he should be fired, really dont need knuckleheads with guns at the border.
crikey! agents shooting kids throwing rocks? dumb@sses!

Retireded - 8-17-2013 at 09:28 PM

It just seems to me that anyone in law enforcement, especially on the border, should be accountable for his/her actions and the government should hold them accountable. Claiming no power to prosecute due to a border between the two parties doesn't hold water. I wonder would the result be the same had this occurred on the Canadian border.

DENNIS - 8-18-2013 at 07:24 AM

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Originally posted by Retireded
Being pelted with rocks, forcing them to take cover can be dealt with more appropriately by simply moving a few steps farther from said border.
The U.S. government is much too arrogant for my liking.

Just how far back is an acceptable distance for a punk with a rock to chase one onto one's own property?

Retreat?? Not one freakin' inch. :fire:

It drives me nutz to see people here making excuses for the behavior of these criminals. Doesn't it even occur to all of you that there would be no incidents if they would just quit attacking the border guards? Quit throwing the rocks?
Or, are these just kids being kids. :fire:

mtgoat666 - 8-18-2013 at 07:29 AM

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Just how far back is an acceptable distance for a punk with a rock to chase one onto one's own property?

Retreat?? Not one freakin' inch. :fire:

the border patrol built the wall, they should learn to deal peacefully with the natural human reactions caused by their wall and their presence. teenagers are teenager, they dont think. the law recognizes this and is lenient toward teens. border patro agents are supposedly adults and trained to deal with peple. those that shoot/kill rock throwing teens should be charged with murder - if they are irresponsible agents they should be fired

ELINVESTIG8R - 8-18-2013 at 08:02 AM

The use of Deadly Force...................

MrBillM - 8-18-2013 at 08:04 AM

................ In defense IS appropriate in response to those using objects which are considered (properly) as Deadly Weapons, including ROCKS and other projectiles.

DEATH or serious injury from being hit by a rock isn't uncommon.

There's lots of history on that.

After all, David dealt Death to Goliath with a Rock.

ELINVESTIG8R - 8-18-2013 at 08:35 AM

OH WAIT, YOU CAN'T ASK HIM BECAUSE HE IS DEAD!

DENNIS - 8-18-2013 at 08:50 AM

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Originally posted by mtgoat666
teenagers are teenager, they dont think.

If you really think this is the scenario being played out along the line, you aren't paying attention.
How about this one. Is it just a matter of kids being kids?

http://www.utsandiego.com/news/2013/Jul/17/edgar-jimenez-lug...

wessongroup - 8-18-2013 at 08:53 AM

How about a "wham o slingshot" with rocks ... would that make a difference .... just asking :biggrin:

[Edited on 8-18-2013 by wessongroup]

Barry A. - 8-18-2013 at 09:30 AM

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Just how far back is an acceptable distance for a punk with a rock to chase one onto one's own property?

Retreat?? Not one freakin' inch. :fire:

----"trained to deal with people-----" you say??? You're right, Goat, and they are also "trained" to meet leathal force with leathal force less all present be in jeopardy. There are consequences for the actions we take, including kids. Throwing "rocks" changes everything.

Barry

Retireded - 8-18-2013 at 05:31 PM

I agree there are and should be consequences for actions, but I also believe that discretion is the better part of valor. I carried a handgun for a large part life for self protection, and though threatened and even assaulted various times, no one has ever suffered any injury as a result. When protecting an international border, I think part of the training should include using discretion when taking a life is involved, Especially when the life in question is on the other side of that border. In that instance, I believe MORE discretion is called for. I, myself, have defended myself without the use of deadly force although it was available to me at the time. As one who has had NO formal training in such matters, I think if I could do that then it is not too much to expect of the folks we pay to protect and serve. My experience in handling firearms has included coaching a police pistol team in marksmanship, but no training as far as when the use of it is appropriate. Somewhere in this process, common sense and compassion should prevail. When taking a life is absolutely necessary is the ONLY time it should be used in ANY situation. This is my humble opinion according to my upbringing.

bajaguy - 8-18-2013 at 05:44 PM

Never bring a rock to a gunfight.

Most people on either side of the border know better than to throw rocks at the police, or people guarding the border.

There are a lot of things that we don't know about this or other similar incidents......we were not there.

I agree there are several types of non-lethal response to an incident such as this, but I don't know (and neither do you) what was available if anything to the officers at that time.

It is MY opinion that when we ask people to guard our borders, there is no "fallback". The rules of engagement should be such as to defend themselves and protect the sovereign territory of the United States.

And rocks are deadly weapons, don't think otherwise.

Maybe if you don't think so, go on a ride-along with the BP.

bajaguy - 8-18-2013 at 05:49 PM

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Originally posted by mtgoat666

"........the border patrol built the wall, they should learn to deal peacefully with the natural human reactions caused by their wall and their presence......"

Nope, goat, the Border Patrol didn't build the wall, and it's not "THEIR" wall. It's OUR wall...the US Government built it ......and we are the government. If you don't like it, do something to change that.....but don't throw rocks.

Barry A. - 8-18-2013 at 05:58 PM

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Originally posted by Retireded
I agree there are and should be consequences for actions, but I also believe that discretion is the better part of valor. I carried a handgun for a large part life for self protection, and though threatened and even assaulted various times, no one has ever suffered any injury as a result. When protecting an international border, I think part of the training should include using discretion when taking a life is involved, Especially when the life in question is on the other side of that border. In that instance, I believe MORE discretion is called for. I, myself, have defended myself without the use of deadly force although it was available to me at the time. As one who has had NO formal training in such matters, I think if I could do that then it is not too much to expect of the folks we pay to protect and serve. My experience in handling firearms has included coaching a police pistol team in marksmanship, but no training as far as when the use of it is appropriate. Somewhere in this process, common sense and compassion should prevail. When taking a life is absolutely necessary is the ONLY time it should be used in ANY situation. This is my humble opinion according to my upbringing.

What you do as an individual is totally up to you, as it should be, but there are legal consequences, as G. Zimmerman has lately experienced.

What professional Law Enforcement folks are TRAINED to do is another matter, and the training has evolved over many years and is the accepted way to do business, to date. As always, individuals, including LE folks, are expected to do, and can do, what they think/believe best, but there are legal consequences for that, and going against 'training' also has legal consequences---------lots to think about.

Based on everything I have heard about this particular incident, I support the actions of the LE individuals as a past LE Supervisor.

Barry

Retireded - 8-18-2013 at 06:33 PM

I agree none of us was there and therefore this is all speculation and opinions. opinions vary, and thus it should and ever shall be.

aguachico - 8-18-2013 at 06:46 PM

These ratas y halcones litter the border.

I don't understand what some people expect a LEO under attack to do. run? Catch a rock to the head? What is it, you move to Mexico and now the CBP are the bad guys.

Maybe the CBP agent didn't want to end up on this link...

http://www.cbp.gov/xp/cgov/border_security/border_patrol/bor...