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U.S. says no charges for border agent who shot Mexican teen
PHOENIX (Reuters) - U.S. authorities will not bring charges against a Border Patrol agent in Arizona who shot dead a rock-throwing Mexican teenager
two years ago because the fatal injury did not occur in the United States, the Justice Department said on Friday.
An unidentified Border Patrol agent shot Ramses Barron, a 17-year-old Mexican citizen, through the border fence in Nogales, Arizona, in the early
hours of January 5, 2011.
The incident began after agents responded to reports of a group of people trying to smuggle suspected drug packages across the border, the department
said. The group, among them Barron, then pelted the agents with rocks, forcing them to take cover.
An independent investigation concluded that the agent fired the fatal shot after Barron ignored commands in Spanish to stop throwing rocks. A
videotape of the incident captured Barron making a "throwing motion with his right arm, then falling to the ground," the department said in a news
release.
No charges were brought because the department "lacks jurisdiction" to prosecute the agent under a criminal civil rights use of force statute that
"requires that the victim be in the United States when he was injured," it said.
Over the past five years, U.S. border agents have fired into Mexico at least 10 times, killing six Mexicans, according to a report released earlier
this year by the Washington Monthly and the Investigative Fund at The Nation Institute.
In another Border Patrol shooting incident in Nogales in October, 16-year-old Mexican citizen Jose Antonio Elena Rodriguez was shot at least seven
times from behind after an agent, or agents, opened fire across the border.
Following the shooting, Mexican authorities condemned the U.S. Border Patrol's use of lethal force and called for a timely and transparent
investigation, which is continuing.
In a separate report released on Friday, the Justice Department said it would not pursue charges against another Border Patrol agent who shot and
killed a 19-year-old U.S. citizen in the border city of Douglas, Arizona, in March 2011.
Douglas police officers had earlier spotted Carlos LaMadrid loading suspected drug bundles into a truck. LaMadrid then fled south in the truck toward
the border, striking a Border Patrol agent's vehicle, before scrambling up a ladder placed against the border fence, the report said.
The unidentified agent opened fire after another man on top of the fence began throwing "brick sized rocks." LaMadrid, who got "in the line of fire"
between the agent and the rock thrower, was struck by four bullets and later died in hospital, it said.
In that case, the department said, a careful and thorough review concluded that there was insufficient evidence to pursue homicide or criminal civil
rights charges against the agent.
http://sc.news.yahoo.com/u-says-no-charges-border-agent-shot...
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Good News
Justice Done.
Hopefully, a lesson learned.
And, those who recklessly use deadly objects in behalf of criminals will KNOW that they might pay the ultimate price.
For bringing rocks to a Gunfight.
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Mr. Bile. Your compassion is equal to your IQ...single digits for sure.
Mexico!! Where two can live as cheaply as one.....but it costs twice as much.....
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Compassion
For Criminals who attack Law Enforcement with Deadly Weapons is a "Virtue" (?) I'll happily leave to the Liberals.
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Terry28
Mr. Bile. Your compassion is equal to your IQ...single digits for sure. |
Willy Wanker seems to crawl out from his neolithic slime pit when he gets aroused by opportunities to dance around the fire of others' misfortunes or
matters relating to justice and the use of force.
As someone pointed out that his "right" to freedom of expression allows his putridly hateful verbal puss to ooze onto these threads, I would assume
that any replies will also be allowed.
Someone needs to set a limit for such posts...I could ignore his comments, I suppose, and give tacit approval by such silence...but such silence only
allows sick ideation to thrive.
The guy is a chittt magnet and I have no problem throwing some of it back .
Don't believe everything you think....
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"The incident began after agents responded to reports of a group of people trying to smuggle suspected drug packages across the border, the department
said. The group, among them Barron, then pelted the agents with rocks, forcing them to take cover."
A job, I would decline, for obvious reasons ....
RIP .... a tough short life
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| Quote: | Originally posted by wessongroup
"The incident began after agents responded to reports of a group of people trying to smuggle suspected drug packages across the border, the department
said. The group, among them Barron, then pelted the agents with rocks, forcing them to take cover."
A job, I would decline, for obvious reasons ....
RIP .... a tough short life |
and how do we know they were trying to "smuggle suspected drug packages across the border"? Because "the department said" so?
and these people were still in Mexico and throwing rocks across the border? Come on, what's wrong with this picture, folks?
I'm reminded of the other incidents in which the US has fired shots into Mexico killing unarmed citizens.
"Raise your words, not your voice. It's rain that grows flowers, not thunder." ~Rumi
"It's the mark of an educated mind to be able to entertain a thought without accepting it." ~ Aristotle
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Mulegena
and these people were still in Mexico and throwing rocks across the border? Come on, what's wrong with this picture, folks?
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There are lots of things wrong with it, the least being US credibility. The BP vehicles that patrol the line have to be armor plated with screens
covering the windows because of the rocks and other projectiles thrown and shot at them from the Mexico side. This isn't news....it's fact.
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| Quote: | Originally posted by DENNIS
| Quote: | Originally posted by Mulegena
and these people were still in Mexico and throwing rocks across the border? Come on, what's wrong with this picture, folks?
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There are lots of things wrong with it, the least being US credibility. The BP vehicles that patrol the line have to be armor plated with screens
covering the windows because of the rocks and other projectiles thrown and shot at them from the Mexico side. This isn't news....it's fact.
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Maybe if they moved out of rock throwing range it would solve a lot of problems, and lives.
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Cisco
Maybe if they moved out of rock throwing range it would solve a lot of problems, and lives. |
You are, of course, speaking of the vandals and criminals who are throwing the rocks.
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I need to say this.......I find it unconscionable that US citizens, or anyone for that matter, will go out of their way to find this behavior
acceptable, and to call the perpetrators of these criminal events, these attacks, victims of the aftermath of their actions.
People who have not come to terms with the consequences of these actions, should not initiate conflict.
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| Quote: | Originally posted by DENNIS
I need to say this.......I find it unconscionable that US citizens, or anyone for that matter, will go out of their way to find this behavior
acceptable, and to call the perpetrators of these criminal events, these attacks, victims of the aftermath of their actions.
People who have not come to terms with the consequences of these actions, should not initiate conflict. |
Sorry Dennis, I really do not think you should bring a gun to a rock-fight.
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Mulegena
| Quote: | Originally posted by wessongroup
"The incident began after agents responded to reports of a group of people trying to smuggle suspected drug packages across the border, the department
said. The group, among them Barron, then pelted the agents with rocks, forcing them to take cover."
A job, I would decline, for obvious reasons ....
RIP .... a tough short life |
and how do we know they were trying to "smuggle suspected drug packages across the border"? Because "the department said" so?
and these people were still in Mexico and throwing rocks across the border? Come on, what's wrong with this picture, folks?
I'm reminded of the other incidents in which the US has fired shots into Mexico killing unarmed citizens. |
Why, cuz, its happening 24/7 ....... over the new "Silk Road" or "Silk Lake" and on BOTH sides of the border
http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-504083_162-20061463-504083.html
http://geo-mexico.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/04/STRATFOR-Me...
[Edited on 8-14-2013 by wessongroup]
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Cisco
Sorry Dennis, I really do not think you should bring a gun to a rock-fight. |
Yes!!! You should. The situation on our southern border is a result of our failure to protect the line throughout history. It is a minor hindrance
for the uncontrolled importation of drugs and criminals who come with them.
Without deadly force to repel these elements, they would be crossing as an armed force more so than they already do.
How can you begin to say these border guards should not be armed for at least their own protection?
How can you begin to say that they should tolerate the attacks by Mexico's thickest scum without protecting themselves?
I doubt even the ACLU would say that.
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| Quote: | Originally posted by DENNIS
| Quote: | Originally posted by Cisco
Sorry Dennis, I really do not think you should bring a gun to a rock-fight. |
Yes!!! You should. The situation on our southern border is a result of our failure to protect the line throughout history. It is a minor hindrance
for the uncontrolled importation of drugs and criminals who come with them.
Without deadly force to repel these elements, they would be crossing as an armed force more so than they already do.
How can you begin to say these border guards should not be armed for at least their own protection?
How can you begin to say that they should tolerate the attacks by Mexico's thickest scum without protecting themselves?
I doubt even the ACLU would say that. |
Paranoid much?
As Hillary said during her Mexico City meet last year, we cannot stop it or legalize it, there's too much money involved.
American end users of product, American banks laundering billions in drug money, American arms manufacturers selling to SELECTED cartels (remember
'Fast and Furious') Oops, sorry folks we got busted on that one. Obama pulling his first "Executive Privilege" and Holder unable to be questioned.
American officers allowing selected loads across and crushing the competition at illegal checkpoints.
Remember "God-Bless Ollie" 30 years ago. For two years he flew/brought in 60% to 70% of cocaine used in the U.S. with FAA told to look the other way.
History, yea man, get real.
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Cisco
Paranoid much?
As Hillary said during her Mexico City meet last year, we cannot stop it or legalize it, there's too much money involved.
American end users of product, American banks laundering billions in drug money, American arms manufacturers selling to SELECTED cartels (remember
'Fast and Furious') Oops, sorry folks we got busted on that one. Obama pulling his first "Executive Privilege" and Holder unable to be questioned.
American officers allowing selected loads across and crushing the competition at illegal checkpoints.
Remember "God-Bless Ollie" 30 years ago. For two years he flew/brought in 60% to 70% of cocaine used in the U.S. with FAA told to look the other way.
History, yea man, get real. |
Let's not stray on point from Chapo to Ollie.
I didn't allude to or reference product.....only the courier with his tools coming north, and if that ain't real, nothing is.
Why do you defend and champion this effort?
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| Quote: | Originally posted by DENNIS
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Paranoid much?
As Hillary said during her Mexico City meet last year, we cannot stop it or legalize it, there's too much money involved.
American end users of product, American banks laundering billions in drug money, American arms manufacturers selling to SELECTED cartels (remember
'Fast and Furious') Oops, sorry folks we got busted on that one. Obama pulling his first "Executive Privilege" and Holder unable to be questioned.
American officers allowing selected loads across and crushing the competition at illegal checkpoints.
Remember "God-Bless Ollie" 30 years ago. For two years he flew/brought in 60% to 70% of cocaine used in the U.S. with FAA told to look the other way.
History, yea man, get real. |
Let's not stray on point from Chapo to Ollie.
I didn't allude to or reference product.....only the courier with his tools coming north, and if that ain't real, nothing is.
Why do you defend and champion this effort? |
I was speaking to your misuse of history to make an invalid point.
Your statement: "Yes!!! You should. The situation on our southern border is a result of our failure to protect the line throughout history. It is a
minor hindrance for the uncontrolled importation of drugs and criminals who come with them.
Without deadly force to repel these elements, they would be crossing as an armed force more so than they already do.
How can you begin to say these border guards should not be armed for at least their own protection?
How can you begin to say that they should tolerate the attacks by Mexico's thickest scum without protecting themselves?
I doubt even the ACLU would say that."
I said NONE of that. Those are your own paranoid statements. The only reference I made to a gun was not to bring one to a rockfight. All the rest of
this B.S. is your attributing it to me, putting words in my mouth.
Not gonna happen man.
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Having a participation slump at your "Fulano's Garbage" site...eh Ceeesco?
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Having a participation slump at your "Fulano's Garbage" site...eh Ceeesco? |
I have NEVER been to that site Dennis and I'm sure you know that.
You are obviously out of answers as to why people are so threatened by what is happening in our country that they willingly shoot unarmed, and I
really mean unarmed, you've been in rock fights, people ACROSS INTERNATIONAL BORDERS with some regularity.
Get some compassion and common sense going here Dennis. These BP were not in any real danger and they could have moved away from any incident. They
are being cowboy.
I grew up on the border and lived among BP and Immigration officers for years. It was a different deal then as I have related before, we did not have
these counter-productive incidents and deaths going on then.
I attribute the diminishing abilities, intellect and performance to the huge increase (4000 to 22000) of ill-trained, some criminal with lack of
background checks, uniformed personnel on the border since our 'scare' of 9-11.
"There is only a sliver of difference in character between a criminal and a police officer. Frequently both make use of the same tactics; but due to
our black/white cultural indoctrination, too many presume that the one wearing the uniform has the RIGHT to use violence. Woe to any society that
worships "the uniform.""
I recently posted on OT regarding the tragedies imposed by the TSA and their intent to now begin stopping and body-searching anyone, ANYWHERE and
anytime. CBP has that same attitude and it is disgusting that the American people are putting up with it.
Get real. Guy shot across the border (only one of many) unarmed (basically) and no retribution because he died in another country.
Personally I take your posted comment personally and can only tell you to shove it AH.
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Cisco
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Having a participation slump at your "Fulano's Garbage" site...eh Ceeesco? |
I have NEVER been to that site Dennis and I'm sure you know that.
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