BajaNomad

just wondering

cabonotcho - 11-7-2013 at 08:38 AM

Do you think we as expats have the right to change some things in Baja? Example-if you saw a drug shipment taking place would you try and stop it or intervene in some way, or to try and influence an end to those poor young girls selling themselves? Plz understand I feel as most here I think Baja is a wonderful place but sometimes I see injustices here I would like to change-on the other hand my wife who is Mexican says we cant change the negative things and could even put our families at risk in attempting to do so. Just curious if I'm a gringo"medleing"in affairs of which I shouldnt.

Jaybo - 11-7-2013 at 08:50 AM

I think all of the border drug murders should answer your question. It's honorable that you care, but are you willing to risk you or your family over it?

Osprey - 11-7-2013 at 09:11 AM

Hard to say. I saw some drug activity near our schools so I went to the delegado, (a friend of mine) and told him I was going to report everything to the police. He explained that the police were "The Mafia" and I should stay away from them. He said he'd look into what I observed. Don't know what happened after that. Still a lot of drugs around our little village.

I don't think I meddled but I'm not sure I did enough. How could one know without being embroiled and perhaps putting your own family/friends at risk?

[Edited on 11-7-2013 by Osprey]

J.P. - 11-7-2013 at 09:26 AM

Like OSPERY said unless you Know with out a doubt who you are reporting it to M.Y.O.B. :o:O

BajaParrothead - 11-7-2013 at 09:26 AM

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Originally posted by Osprey
Hard to say. I saw some drug activity near our schools so I went to the delegado, (a friend of mine) and told him I was going to report everything to the police. He explained that the police were "The Mafia" and I should stay away from them. He said he'd look into what I observed. Don't know what happened after that. Still a lot of drugs around our little village.

I don't think I meddled but I'm not sure I did enough. How could one know without being embroiled and perhaps putting your own family/friends at risk?

[Edited on 11-7-2013 by Osprey]


Osprey,
Did you notice a sharp increase in illicit activity around your area when the development of the new marina project got in full swing? Most of the labor force has reportedly been shipped in from the mainland and along with them came the drugs and thefts. At least that's what the locals are saying in our area.:mad:

Chupacabra - 11-7-2013 at 09:53 AM

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Originally posted by cabonotcho
Do you think we as expats have the right to change some things in Baja? Example-if you saw a drug shipment taking place would you try and stop it or intervene in some way, or to try and influence an end to those poor young girls selling themselves?


Did you intervene in drug deals and prostitution when you lived in the US? There's plenty of that everywhere.

Osprey - 11-7-2013 at 10:01 AM

I would defer to the locals here in La Ribera on whether there has been drug increase with the new marina.

I'm not what you'd call a recluse but it is so nice on my patio I just don't get around like I used to. My Mexican pals probably wouldn't share too much inside info with me anyway -- they figure gringos just don't have a handle on the big picture and they are right on the mark.

Barry A. - 11-7-2013 at 10:26 AM

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Originally posted by cabonotcho
Do you think we as expats have the right to change some things in Baja? Example-if you saw a drug shipment taking place would you try and stop it or intervene in some way, or to try and influence an end to those poor young girls selling themselves?


Did you intervene in drug deals and prostitution when you lived in the US? There's plenty of that everywhere.


Huh??????? "----everywhere"???? Perhaps a bit over-the-top???? Lived in the USA (CA) all my life, was a cop for 30+ years out of my 75 years, only "saw prostitution" and "saw drug deals" when I went looking for them, and even then it was not easy.

Barry

J.P. - 11-7-2013 at 11:29 AM

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Originally posted by Barry A.
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Originally posted by Chupacabra
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Originally posted by cabonotcho
Do you think we as expats have the right to change some things in Baja? Example-if you saw a drug shipment taking place would you try and stop it or intervene in some way, or to try and influence an end to those poor young girls selling themselves?


Did you intervene in drug deals and prostitution when you lived in the US? There's plenty of that everywhere.


Huh??????? "----everywhere"???? Perhaps a bit over-the-top???? Lived in the USA (CA) all my life, was a cop for 30+ years out of my 75 years, only "saw prostitution" and "saw drug deals" when I went looking for them, and even then it was not easy.

Barry








Barry don,t you know that kind of people can SMELL A COP. :lol::lol:

Barry A. - 11-7-2013 at 11:31 AM

Yep, but for 45 of those 75 years I wasn't a cop, and smelled good (my wife tells me).

Barry

tripledigitken - 11-7-2013 at 01:50 PM

cabonotcho,

Your wife is a wise woman.

Ken

David K - 11-7-2013 at 04:15 PM

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Originally posted by tripledigitken
cabonotcho,

Your wife is a wise woman.

Ken


THIS

:light:

bledito - 11-7-2013 at 05:38 PM

you could start a neighboorhood watch and become baja george zimmerman. I personally think to look the other way avoid at all possible. suppy and demand in baja or the Usa these things are going to happen until the police decide to stop it. if it's not in their interest it wont happen.

CaboMagic - 11-7-2013 at 05:54 PM

Not your business and as mentioned could get u in a light you wont want to be in.

Enjoy what you do enjoy and look the other way - Ni Modo.

DENNIS - 11-7-2013 at 09:29 PM

I think you should come down here and change everything....and everybody. You could be the modern day Christ, or Dolly LamaLamaDingDong.
Hurry...please. Bring Obamacare to Mexico while you're at it.
I'll tell my little town to have patience and faith because you're on your way to save them. Hurry Hurry Hurry.

mcfez - 11-8-2013 at 08:02 AM

Do you think we as expats have the right to change some things in Baja?

Absolutely. There are folks that run charities, operate classrooms, those fly in medics and the clinics operated by non Mexican citizens. There is the church groups, Rotary Clubs........the list is long. How bout the college student agriculture volunteers that fly in to help the farmer.


As far as cleaning up your neighborhood of crime.......you are asking for some serious trouble to float right back to you. Let the political / police system deal with the drugs and other the junk.

DavidE - 11-8-2013 at 09:00 AM

Jeez, Dennis, you're still wound up. Cool it dude. I've already buried enough friends.

People who have never LIVED in Mexico (long enough) are the ones who ask questions like this. So, it is futile to try and educate them. They haven't (yet?) gotten a clue that job one is to protect yourself, your loved ones and possessions, and maybe watch out for your neighbor.

"Hey Mr. Policeman I just saw a drug deal outside billiares gonzales"
"What did you see?"
"I saw a guy give another guy a handful of cash and was given a small sack"
"How do you know what was inside the sack?"
"Lookit! I just know it was a drug deal. OK?"
"Thank you seņor. You reported it correctly. Where do you live?"
"Hasta Luego!"
(Madre de Hijos I told that P-nchee Javier to not be so flagrant doing his business. Now I tell him where this stupid gringo lives. Is all these troubles worth a thousand pesos a week? I need llantas for mi carro"

redmesa - 11-8-2013 at 09:08 AM

The most legal trouble I have had was when I reported a crime to the local police...and this was in Oregon.

bajaguy - 11-8-2013 at 09:15 AM

cabonotcho.......

Here is some good advice to use with yoiur family and just about anywhere...including wanting to change or get involved

"You should not get involved in someone's problems more than the effort they put forth to get involved and solve their own problem"

If the locals wanted things cleaned up, they would do it.

DENNIS - 11-8-2013 at 10:27 AM

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If the locals wanted things cleaned up, they would do it.



Or not. The problems on the streets today involve some very dangerous people, and interfering can get one seriously killed.

durrelllrobert - 11-8-2013 at 11:14 AM

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Originally posted by cabonotcho
Do you think we as expats have the right to change some things in Baja? Example-if you saw a drug shipment taking place would you try and stop it or intervene in some way, or to try and influence an end to those poor young girls selling themselves? Plz understand I feel as most here I think Baja is a wonderful place but sometimes I see injustices here I would like to change-on the other hand my wife who is Mexican says we cant change the negative things and could even put our families at risk in attempting to do so. Just curious if I'm a gringo"medleing"in affairs of which I shouldnt.


Just remember the woman in Rosarito who tried to comfort the Life Guard that was shot last month. She not only had the privilege of spending 72 hours in jail but she also caught the wrath of several posters on this site for her (alleged) activity.

sancho - 11-8-2013 at 11:29 AM

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Originally posted by Chupacabra
Did you intervene in drug deals and prostitution when you lived in the US?







Outstanding question, to me the casual Tourist to Mex I'm not
sure has the latitude to demand changes in the host
Country. The Dog Rescue Programs started by Gringos,
the lead by example of litter pickups are fringe topics
that are helpful, other than that, as posted, MYOB

motoged - 11-8-2013 at 11:42 AM

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Originally posted by DENNIS
.... interfering can get one seriously killed.


Dennis,
Seeing that you have 30 years experience "serving and protecting" (which I respect ....if you were a "good" cop), I imagine you came across a few homicides, traffic fatalities, suicides, and messy accidents.

How many of those deaths were serious and how many were not serious (your opinion here, as the dead guy couldn't rate their death :lol:).

What type of killing isn't serious? :?: