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cabonotcho
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just wondering
Do you think we as expats have the right to change some things in Baja? Example-if you saw a drug shipment taking place would you try and stop it or
intervene in some way, or to try and influence an end to those poor young girls selling themselves? Plz understand I feel as most here I think Baja is
a wonderful place but sometimes I see injustices here I would like to change-on the other hand my wife who is Mexican says we cant change the negative
things and could even put our families at risk in attempting to do so. Just curious if I'm a gringo"medleing"in affairs of which I shouldnt.
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Jaybo
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I think all of the border drug murders should answer your question. It's honorable that you care, but are you willing to risk you or your family over
it?
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Osprey
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Hard to say. I saw some drug activity near our schools so I went to the delegado, (a friend of mine) and told him I was going to report everything to
the police. He explained that the police were "The Mafia" and I should stay away from them. He said he'd look into what I observed. Don't know what
happened after that. Still a lot of drugs around our little village.
I don't think I meddled but I'm not sure I did enough. How could one know without being embroiled and perhaps putting your own family/friends at risk?
[Edited on 11-7-2013 by Osprey]
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J.P.
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Like OSPERY said unless you Know with out a doubt who you are reporting it to M.Y.O.B.  
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BajaParrothead
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Osprey
Hard to say. I saw some drug activity near our schools so I went to the delegado, (a friend of mine) and told him I was going to report everything to
the police. He explained that the police were "The Mafia" and I should stay away from them. He said he'd look into what I observed. Don't know what
happened after that. Still a lot of drugs around our little village.
I don't think I meddled but I'm not sure I did enough. How could one know without being embroiled and perhaps putting your own family/friends at risk?
[Edited on 11-7-2013 by Osprey] |
Osprey,
Did you notice a sharp increase in illicit activity around your area when the development of the new marina project got in full swing? Most of the
labor force has reportedly been shipped in from the mainland and along with them came the drugs and thefts. At least that's what the locals are
saying in our area.
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Chupacabra
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| Quote: | Originally posted by cabonotcho
Do you think we as expats have the right to change some things in Baja? Example-if you saw a drug shipment taking place would you try and stop it or
intervene in some way, or to try and influence an end to those poor young girls selling themselves? |
Did you intervene in drug deals and prostitution when you lived in the US? There's plenty of that everywhere.
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Osprey
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I would defer to the locals here in La Ribera on whether there has been drug increase with the new marina.
I'm not what you'd call a recluse but it is so nice on my patio I just don't get around like I used to. My Mexican pals probably wouldn't share too
much inside info with me anyway -- they figure gringos just don't have a handle on the big picture and they are right on the mark.
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Barry A.
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Chupacabra
| Quote: | Originally posted by cabonotcho
Do you think we as expats have the right to change some things in Baja? Example-if you saw a drug shipment taking place would you try and stop it or
intervene in some way, or to try and influence an end to those poor young girls selling themselves? |
Did you intervene in drug deals and prostitution when you lived in the US? There's plenty of that everywhere. |
Huh??????? "----everywhere"???? Perhaps a bit over-the-top???? Lived in the USA (CA) all my life, was a cop for 30+ years out of my 75 years, only
"saw prostitution" and "saw drug deals" when I went looking for them, and even then it was not easy.
Barry
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J.P.
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Barry A.
| Quote: | Originally posted by Chupacabra
| Quote: | Originally posted by cabonotcho
Do you think we as expats have the right to change some things in Baja? Example-if you saw a drug shipment taking place would you try and stop it or
intervene in some way, or to try and influence an end to those poor young girls selling themselves? |
Did you intervene in drug deals and prostitution when you lived in the US? There's plenty of that everywhere. |
Huh??????? "----everywhere"???? Perhaps a bit over-the-top???? Lived in the USA (CA) all my life, was a cop for 30+ years out of my 75 years, only
"saw prostitution" and "saw drug deals" when I went looking for them, and even then it was not easy.
Barry |
Barry don,t you know that kind of people can SMELL A COP. 
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Barry A.
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Yep, but for 45 of those 75 years I wasn't a cop, and smelled good (my wife tells me).
Barry
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tripledigitken
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cabonotcho,
Your wife is a wise woman.
Ken
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David K
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| Quote: | Originally posted by tripledigitken
cabonotcho,
Your wife is a wise woman.
Ken |
THIS
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bledito
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you could start a neighboorhood watch and become baja george zimmerman. I personally think to look the other way avoid at all possible. suppy and
demand in baja or the Usa these things are going to happen until the police decide to stop it. if it's not in their interest it wont happen.
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CaboMagic
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Not your business and as mentioned could get u in a light you wont want to be in.
Enjoy what you do enjoy and look the other way - Ni Modo.
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DENNIS
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I think you should come down here and change everything....and everybody. You could be the modern day Christ, or Dolly LamaLamaDingDong.
Hurry...please. Bring Obamacare to Mexico while you're at it.
I'll tell my little town to have patience and faith because you're on your way to save them. Hurry Hurry Hurry.
"YOU CAN'T LITTER ALUMINUM"
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mcfez
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Do you think we as expats have the right to change some things in Baja?
Absolutely. There are folks that run charities, operate classrooms, those fly in medics and the clinics operated by non Mexican citizens. There is the
church groups, Rotary Clubs........the list is long. How bout the college student agriculture volunteers that fly in to help the farmer.
As far as cleaning up your neighborhood of crime.......you are asking for some serious trouble to float right back to you. Let the political / police
system deal with the drugs and other the junk.
Old people are like the old cars, made of some tough stuff. May show a little rust, but good as gold on the inside.
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DavidE
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Jeez, Dennis, you're still wound up. Cool it dude. I've already buried enough friends.
People who have never LIVED in Mexico (long enough) are the ones who ask questions like this. So, it is futile to try and educate them. They haven't
(yet?) gotten a clue that job one is to protect yourself, your loved ones and possessions, and maybe watch out for your neighbor.
"Hey Mr. Policeman I just saw a drug deal outside billiares gonzales"
"What did you see?"
"I saw a guy give another guy a handful of cash and was given a small sack"
"How do you know what was inside the sack?"
"Lookit! I just know it was a drug deal. OK?"
"Thank you señor. You reported it correctly. Where do you live?"
"Hasta Luego!"
(Madre de Hijos I told that P-nchee Javier to not be so flagrant doing his business. Now I tell him where this stupid gringo lives. Is all these
troubles worth a thousand pesos a week? I need llantas for mi carro"
A Lot To See And A Lot To Do
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redmesa
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The most legal trouble I have had was when I reported a crime to the local police...and this was in Oregon.
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bajaguy
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cabonotcho.......
Here is some good advice to use with yoiur family and just about anywhere...including wanting to change or get involved
"You should not get involved in someone's problems more than the effort they put forth to get involved and solve their own problem"
If the locals wanted things cleaned up, they would do it.
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DENNIS
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| Quote: | Originally posted by bajaguy
If the locals wanted things cleaned up, they would do it. |
Or not. The problems on the streets today involve some very dangerous people, and interfering can get one seriously killed.
"YOU CAN'T LITTER ALUMINUM"
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