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I hate netters

Russ - 11-13-2013 at 08:56 AM

So this guy drags the bottom all night then comes in and anchors right in front of me. Now I have to listen to that damn one lung generator all day:fire:





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bajagrouper - 11-13-2013 at 08:58 AM

But I bet you love the shrimp........

wessongroup - 11-13-2013 at 08:59 AM

Sorry to see and hear

chuckie - 11-13-2013 at 09:06 AM

You could always move....???

DJL - 11-13-2013 at 09:11 AM

Keep an Eye on your boat - every time the Mainland Shrimpers are off the East Cape ... Pangas and Motors go missing .

D.~

Russ - 11-13-2013 at 09:13 AM

bajagrouper , Not so much any more.
chuckie, I could if you'd buy my house or 3/4+ acre waterfront lot
Edit:
No Shame:wow:
http://www.misionloreto.com/the-ideal-lot-on-gorgeous-shell-...

[Edited on 11-13-2013 by Russ]

By catch

captkw - 11-13-2013 at 09:13 AM

I was reading that on average 10 lbs of bycatch for 1 lb of shrimp....I as on one of those old shrimp boats about 20 years ago and saw all kinds of waste (turtle,shark) and we where under way and not even fishing (sic) or dragging the killing net..:fire:...seeing it firsthand Wakes you up to the destruction and raping of the ocean....And NO I don't eat shrimp for that reason....If you saw it in person I'm sure every one would protest and also stop eating shrimp.....really a drag !!!!

Bubba - 11-13-2013 at 12:40 PM

Sucks for sure.

DENNIS - 11-13-2013 at 12:47 PM

Years back, there were two Kelp Cutters moored off shore at night. During the day they would be mowing Kelp way too short in some local fishermen's opinion.
One morning, all that was left of one of the cutters was that part below the waterline. The rest was smoldering.

Sweet "Karma"

captkw - 11-13-2013 at 12:52 PM

chuckie - 11-13-2013 at 12:54 PM

Its Mexico...They are Mexicans earning a living...

sancho - 11-13-2013 at 12:55 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by captkw
I was reading that on average 10 lbs of bycatch for 1 lb of shrimp







Awhile back some suggested only Panga caught
shrimp were the only type to buy, logic tells one
that the panga shrimping would be far cleaner than
the big boats, but apparently panga shrimping is
not totally imune to the bycatch, don't have the exact
figures, probably only a fraction of consumers think
about the way fish are taken, last time I bought
shrimp was off a panga on the beach in San Felipe,
the shrimp were still wiggling

DENNIS - 11-13-2013 at 01:24 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by chuckie
Its Mexico...They are Mexicans earning a living...



That's what the cartels say too. :fire:

Mulegena - 11-13-2013 at 02:49 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by captkw
I was reading that on average 10 lbs of bycatch for 1 lb of shrimp....I saw all kinds of waste (turtle,shark) ...seeing it firsthand Wakes you up to the destruction and raping of the ocean....And NO I don't eat shrimp for that reason....If you saw it in person I'm sure every one would protest and also stop eating shrimp.....really a drag !!!!


I've not eaten shrimp for 30 years, my second trip to Baja when I learned about the ecology of the oceans on a half-day trip with Eco Mundo.

My husband is a member of the local fishing cooperativa and is out on the water alot. He routinely comes home with curious stories of maimed and injured turtles he encounters, sometimes dead. He attributes this to the by-catch practices of the netters.

The cooperativa fishermen fish by the law. They can't afford not to do so as Sagarpa, the enforcing agency, is very strict and swift with fines so stringent that a fisherman can be broken financially if he flaunts the law. As to why these netters from the mainland are allowed to come here and do what they do... I could speculate but won't.

What a shameful practice!

Lee - 11-13-2013 at 02:51 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by chuckie
Its Mexico...They are Mexicans earning a living...


That's what Uncle Tom responded when I mentioned pangas at Pedrito circling the water, just off the beach, after putting out nets while drumming their boats. In this case, I said the pangas had been reported to the Harbor Master in Cabo and the activity was illegal. Don't think that meant anything to Tom though he said ''oh.''

Net shrimping might not be illegal but a boat that close in could easily sink in the night. Common military training for the amphibious groups.

DENNIS - 11-13-2013 at 02:52 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by Mulegena

What a shameful practice!



What a shameful government that allows this!

DENNIS - 11-13-2013 at 02:56 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by Lee
Net shrimping might not be illegal but a boat that close in could easily sink in the night. Common military training for the amphibious groups.


"Fast 'n Furious" should have sent down some shore-fired Torpedoes.

chuckie - 11-13-2013 at 03:03 PM

Show us how its done Dennis....talks cheap...

Lee - 11-13-2013 at 03:40 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by DENNIS
Quote:
Originally posted by Lee
Net shrimping might not be illegal but a boat that close in could easily sink in the night. Common military training for the amphibious groups.


"Fast 'n Furious" should have sent down some shore-fired Torpedoes.


Simple is better. Guys asleep won't know they're sinking until water reaches their bunks. Cordless hand drill, 1/2'' bit, would do the job. Torpedoes are always cool, though. Or, RPG. Just saying.

Russ - 11-13-2013 at 03:48 PM

What we need is a few dolphin with limpit mines so we can sink them in deep water.
Afternoon shot

Mulagena

captkw - 11-13-2013 at 08:32 PM

Hola,,Thank you for your reply....and your other half ....YES..you can read all day long about,,whatever !! but spending time on the water is what I have spent my life doing till very recent..as your husband shares with you...very few folks ever see...but !! it Is happing and very real for us folks that are out there....again,,,great post.......

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Mulegena - 11-13-2013 at 08:38 PM

captkw

did you mean me, Mulegena down Mulege-way,
or my good friend and muleskinner Mula from Lopez/San Nicolas?

WOW!!

captkw - 11-13-2013 at 08:40 PM

that was FAST!! these smoke signals work !!!:lol:....PS..Yes..YOU!!!

[Edited on 11-14-2013 by captkw]

Some like netters...

windgrrl - 11-14-2013 at 01:07 PM

...like this whale shark
http://www.vancouversun.com/travel/Photos+photographer+wins+...
:wow:

Super-size me!

Mulegena - 11-14-2013 at 03:23 PM

Fun photo, windgrrl, and curious too as whale shark are known to be filter feeders of plankton and the like.

redhilltown - 11-14-2013 at 11:31 PM

Good post Russ and good to keep the issue on the front burner. Many people just see the boats and eat the shrimp but have no connection to the damage being caused.

The cartel analogy was perfect...yeah, just making a living.

Cypress - 11-15-2013 at 03:45 AM

I've shrimped in the past, the bycatch includes very large numbers of juvenile fish of all species. Most of 'em are dead and usually too small to be of any use, they are tossed overboard for the seagulls to eat.:(

chuckie - 11-15-2013 at 04:49 AM

What good does not eating them do? Like it has any impact on the guy that catches them...

Russ - 11-15-2013 at 07:09 AM

chuckie
Probably won't do any good for the oceans but for some of us it just gives us a peace of mind. If you don't understand, no amount of explaining will help you to understand. Argue all you want. It's a personal thing.

Russ and Chuckie

captkw - 11-15-2013 at 07:32 AM

Well said Russ...Well said !! and if ya stop to think about it...shrimp are rather tasteless.....and with a poop shoot...if you don't spice them or dip in a sauce they don't have much flavor...:cool:

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