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Confrontation at San Ysidro

Pescador - 11-27-2013 at 07:58 AM

I don't know whether they wanted to come into the United States or were just fed up with the slow border crossing.:lol:


A group of 100 Mexican nationals illegally crossed into the United States and attacked U.S. Border Patrol Agents with rocks and bottles, according to the U.S. Customs and Border Protection Agency (CBP).
The violent group was allowed to run back into Mexico and were permitted to disperse by Mexican authorities without being arrested or otherwise suffering any consequences for their brutal attacks on U.S. law enforcement.
The attack occurred in southern California on November 24, 2013. According to the official CBP press release:
… more than 100 people illegally crossed the International Border from Mexico one-quarter-mile west of the San Ysidro Port of Entry in the Tijuana River channel. The group advanced toward a Border Patrol agent positioned one-eighth of a mile north of the border. The agent ordered the group to stop. The group ignored his commands and continued to advance. The agent deployed his PepperBall Launcher System, an intermediate use-of-force device, in an effort to stop the group and protect himself. The crowd failed to respond appropriately...
Numerous agents responded to the scene as the crowd became increasingly unruly and began throwing rocks and bottles. The crowd struck several agents in the arms and legs with rocks; one agent was hit in the head with a filled water bottle. Agents deployed several intermediate use-of-force devices and Mexican law enforcement authorities were contacted. The use of intermediate use-of-force devices eventually caused the group to return to Mexico and disperse.
The CBP also stated: “No one was arrested and no one was able to continue north.”
This large-scale incursion and attack on U.S. soil thankfully occurred in an area where a large number of Border Patrol agents were available for back up. A recent effort by open-borders groups to prevent Border Patrol agents from defending themselves in such circumstances failed. They argued that Border Patrol agents should not be allowed to respond with deadly force to being attacked with improvised weapons like rocks and bottles, even if the Border patrol agent was alone and outnumbered in a desolate area where their radios often do not work.

mtgoat666 - 11-27-2013 at 08:11 AM

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Originally posted by Pescador
The crowd failed to respond appropriately...


sounds like the reporter is parroting govt bureaucrat speak!

who writes such crap?

Udo - 11-27-2013 at 08:11 AM

There were a couple of cell phone photos posted (related to the attack) and two made it to the local tv stations.

David K - 11-27-2013 at 09:11 AM

The double (or is it triple?) fence ('wall') isn't doing a very good job... So, is stationing the military along our border the only way to counter an invasion of this kind?

J.P. - 11-27-2013 at 09:30 AM

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Originally posted by David K
The double (or is it triple?) fence ('wall') isn't doing a very good job... So, is stationing the military along our border the only way to counter an invasion of this kind?













DAVID you cant have it both ways, Seal the Border and still Keep The Baja as your personal Playground.
Besides you should know that they cant use the Military as that would be declared as a ACT OF WAR.

David K - 11-27-2013 at 09:48 AM

"Discussion Forum" J.P. can you discuss ideas?

*) Not my post, I was just responding with a question.
*) I have never thought of Baja as being a personal playground... I share what I know about Baja hoping others can benefit. I have no secret surf breaks or camp sites. Baja has room for everyone, specially since any of us only are at those places a brief time in a whole year.
*) Sealing the border to ILLEGAL CROSSING at NON-BORDER CROSSING LOCATIONS is wrong, really?

J.P. - 11-27-2013 at 10:03 AM

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Originally posted by David K
"Discussion Forum" J.P. can you discuss ideas?

*) Not my post, I was just responding with a question.
*) I have never thought of Baja as being a personal playground... I share what I know about Baja hoping others can benefit. I have no secret surf breaks or camp sites. Baja has room for everyone, specially since any of us only are at those places a brief time in a whole year.
*) Sealing the border to ILLEGAL CROSSING at NON-BORDER CROSSING LOCATIONS is wrong, really?








looks to me they are doing a super job of sealing the border at ponits where you and i cross. but the remote areas remain as porous as ever. there has to be a better way.
:light::light:
Don't you think just maybee , They should work on the Cause instead of The Condition..

David K - 11-27-2013 at 10:22 AM

Sure... if Mexico had more freedom then there would be more opportunity. Corruption on a national scale has been a way of life and limits the opportunities to many.

If there is more opportunity north of the border, then expect those seeking it cross north.

Solutions?:
A) Reduce America's prosperity so we are more like Mexico (called "fairness" by one political group).
B) Increase Mexico's prosperity so Mexicans can have enough opportunities in their own country (called "free market capitalism" by a different political group).

Personally I prefer to raise up people rather than lower them down.

DavidE - 11-27-2013 at 10:35 AM

Get caught trying to run past an immigration checkpoint on the mainland, and the migras Mexicanos will arrest a person, the cops will beat them up, steal everything but the clothes on their back, then deport them.

Mexico also encourages police to demand people who do not look Mexican to show proof of legality when asked to do so at retenes and puestos de controles. This is sort of, p-r-o-f-i-l-i-n-g in the most blatant way.

So the pro indocumentos group is being a little stupid besides unfair in their ranting and raving.

I'm just stating fact. Wanna see the shortest demonstration in the world?

Have a group of gringos gather in Mexico, wave signs and American flags protesting the policies of the Mexican government.

apple - 11-27-2013 at 10:55 AM

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Originally posted by mtgoat666
sounds like the reporter is parroting govt bureaucrat speak!
who writes such crap?

It's obviously a quote from the CBP press release, so some one at the press office wrote it.

DENNIS - 11-27-2013 at 11:16 AM

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Originally posted by J.P.
looks to me they are doing a super job of sealing the border at ponits where you and i cross. but the remote areas remain as porous as ever.



If these vandals had any intentions of crossing for noble reasons, that's probably where they would have made their attempt.
These people were trouble looking for trouble. Nice to see they were accommodated.

Pompano - 11-27-2013 at 11:48 AM

A long time ago, there was a flotilla of people trying to make an illegal crossing from Minnesota into Ontario near my home on the Rainy River.

It was stopped quickly though...after the RCMPs and border officials yelled out.

"Would you folks please not do that?"

BajaNomad - 11-27-2013 at 12:00 PM

Video:
http://tv.milenio.com/bajacalifornia/Intento-cruce-ilegal-ma...

Articles:

http://www.sandiego6.com/story/border-patrol-agents-pelted-i...

http://www.latimes.com/local/lanow/la-me-ln-us-border-patrol...

[Edited on 11-27-2013 by BajaNomad]

micah202 - 11-27-2013 at 12:22 PM

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.Why doesn't Mexico ever do well in the Olympics??



Cuz all the ones that can run, jump and swim are already over here!!!

DENNIS - 11-27-2013 at 12:46 PM

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Originally posted by micah202

Why doesn't Mexico ever do well in the Olympics??



I know it was a joke, but watch Lorena in 2016.

http://gulfnews.com/sport/golf/nothing-will-keep-mexican-lor...

David K - 11-27-2013 at 01:05 PM

Acapulco Cliff Diving they get the gold, right?

micah202 - 11-27-2013 at 01:06 PM

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Originally posted by DENNIS
Quote:
Originally posted by micah202

Why doesn't Mexico ever do well in the Olympics??



I know it was a joke, but watch Lorena in 2016.

http://gulfnews.com/sport/golf/nothing-will-keep-mexican-lor...


...good they weren't part of the insurgent group,,,
........or the BP's would be complaining 'bout golf-shot's to their tender parts!

.......interesting speculation by one of the commenters.............Michael Coburn · Works at SELF
''Im a american living in México saw the crowd building and people passing out money. This was a diversión to occupy border patrol while something else went across.''
.......seems political,,though they'd probably make a stronger 'statement' if they tried it with 50,000 though.:wow:

....and whut's with those who brought kids along?....or the guy on crutches???...what -really- were they thinking?????:?:



[Edited on 11-27-2013 by micah202]

DENNIS - 11-27-2013 at 01:15 PM

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Originally posted by David K
Acapulco Cliff Diving they get the gold, right?


I'm sure they would, but maybe not in Rio. :light:
Traditionally, Mexico doesn't do too well in team sports. They're more of a nation of individuals, although their futbol/soccer teams have excelled in the past, in spite of their famed goalie [what was his name...Jorge Campos or something like that] designing and wearing his own uniform. Freakin' egomaniac was even allowed to get away with it.

DENNIS - 11-27-2013 at 01:19 PM

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Originally posted by micah202
....and whut's with those who brought kids along?....or the guy on crutches???...what -really- were they thinking?????:?:





Probably paid to be there. The diversion story makes sense even if it was a rehearsal for the big one.

Bajafun777 - 11-27-2013 at 04:24 PM

Watch the video closely and see the guy in the shirt and tie directing this group. Additionally, watch as the group is directed again and again to go forward, when they actually start the speeding up rush toward border patrol officer watch the guy with the backpack begin to climb over the fence before the person doing this video takes the camera away from his climb over the fence. So, what was in the backpack and who is the guy in the shirt and tie directing this illegal confrontation of our border patrol agents?

Now, for those that think Americans have to accept other countries lawbreakers and accept this kind of conduct your nuts. Try this with people coming from Central American countries rushing as a group into Mexico and see what would happen. Tired of those on this site pushing against law enforcement or government officials doing their jobs. I stay in Mexico but I do it by their rules and do not attack any of their government officers or officials, so stop the nutty statements about since we are going into Baja we have to accept law breakers doing stupid dangerous stuff like this. Enough is enough live and let live but do it by the rules of the Country you are living in or visiting. Respect and being law abiding is something all of us should be doing at all times. However, we do not have to excuse dangerous actions such as these which are only testing Border Patrol to see what they can get by with. If it was the other way around Mexico would be screaming for our Country to control its citizens. Oh, they would also tell us to go pick up those that had been shot attacking their officers or soldiers. Again, stop the dang law enforcement bashing and attacks on Customs or Border Patrol enough is enough already.

Too many good things in life to enjoy without allowing support for things like this, as it only puts all of us on edge besides being very dangerous for all involved. Don't let idiots like these make you feel sorry for them or encourage them because they could care less about your safety or your families safety.

It is tough enough to get friends and family to visit Baja or mainland Mexico without these types of things making them think Mexico encourages unlawful actions within it border due to corruption. Take Care & Travel Safe----------------- "No Hurry, No Worry, Just FUN" bajafun777

Lee - 11-28-2013 at 01:55 PM

One mile wide DMZ in remote areas patrolled by armed Drones (with non-lethal armament) and IED's. Survivors are sent to Gitmo.

DENNIS - 11-28-2013 at 02:15 PM

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Originally posted by Lee
One mile wide DMZ in remote areas patrolled by armed Drones (with non-lethal armament) and IED's. Survivors are sent to Gitmo.


Mexico moans that everything we do to protect our border is disrespectful to a good neighbor policy......especially when the term "militarization" is used. They do that when they take a break from producing funny books showing people how to most effectively break into the US, avoid apprehension, and how to act if caught.

aguachico - 11-29-2013 at 11:34 AM

Didn't watch the video, but did it look like this?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l7qKD-Ph7ds

Gulliver - 12-22-2013 at 05:05 PM

Racist baloney. Everything South of Marin was taken away from Mexico by force.

I'm not carrying any water for the Mexican government, by the way. I've seen little in my 44 years of occasional visits that might help me tell their government from a criminal conspiracy. But things aren't exactly hunky dory around here either.

And before someone starts tuning up about me being brown skinned or something. I'm a seventy year old Scots-Irish trouble maker who is still peeed at the brits. My ancestors were driven out of Scotland and settled in Northern Ireland to try to inflict civilization on the Irish. From there they drifted to West Virginia and they've been working their way across the nation every since, selling used cars, riding choppers and leaning on things. Read 'Barn Burning' or 'A Walk on the Wild Side' for an idea who we really are. It's in our genes.

The Mexicans in my neighborhood are the hardest working people around. They put more into our tax coffers than they can ever get back. No papers? No tax refund. Every one of us except the first nation/indians was a looser somewhere and ended up here. And maybe them too. No wonder the whole world is afraid of us. A bunch of well armed culture-less losers with a drinking problem.

O.K., I'll go quietly. Let the flames commence.

Ateo - 12-22-2013 at 05:12 PM

Forming groups, cultures, countries, borders, and tribes seems to be in our nature as homo sapiens. We divide each other into groups and dehumanize one another all the time. I think this has been going on for 150,000 years. Ok, maybe not 150,000 years exactly, but you get my point.

I think it's good to remember we're all in this together. We all share the same origin. We all came from Africa. We're all on the same team.

I sound like a hippy.

Happy Sunday to you all.

David K - 12-22-2013 at 05:18 PM

Happy Sunday to you Jon.
Go Chargers Go!

durrelllrobert - 12-22-2013 at 06:17 PM

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Originally posted by Lee
One mile wide DMZ in remote areas patrolled by armed Drones (with non-lethal armament) and IED's. Survivors are sent to Gitmo.
operating drones is expensive. On the other hand the US has tens of thousands air dispensed mines that have to be disposed of and what better place then the DMZ you spoke of. Even if they were inert would anyone want to cross a posted mine field. Signs are cheap but of course they need to be in Spanish.


durrelllrobert - 12-22-2013 at 06:26 PM

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Originally posted by DENNIS


Mexico moans that everything we do to protect our border is disrespectful to a good neighbor policy......especially when the term "militarization" is used. They do that when they take a break from producing funny books showing people how to most effectively break into the US, avoid apprehension, and how to act if caught.


I think they made this cartoon to show how the Feds are helping Arizona enforce their border and direct illegals to cross there.


vgabndo - 12-22-2013 at 07:35 PM

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Originally posted by apple
Quote:
Originally posted by mtgoat666
sounds like the reporter is parroting govt bureaucrat speak!
who writes such crap?

It's obviously a quote from the CBP press release, so some one at the press office wrote it.


http://www.cbp.gov/xp/cgov/PrintMe.xml?xml=$/content/newsroo...

vgabndo - 12-22-2013 at 07:49 PM

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Originally posted by durrelllrobert
Quote:
Originally posted by DENNIS


Mexico moans that everything we do to protect our border is disrespectful to a good neighbor policy......especially when the term "militarization" is used. They do that when they take a break from producing funny books showing people how to most effectively break into the US, avoid apprehension, and how to act if caught.


I think they made this cartoon to show how the Feds are helping Arizona enforce their border and direct illegals to cross there.



This cartoon was not drawn by Mexicans, but by one of the most far right wing gringo supporters of Sheriff Joe Arpaio, who is part of CSPOA. Birther types.