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mace

absinvestor - 2-5-2014 at 07:50 PM

Is is ok to take mace across the border into Mexico and if purchased in the US back into the US.

woody with a view - 2-5-2014 at 07:58 PM

sure. just don't wave it at those wearing a badge. when you squirt a bad guy just make sure to not hang around to file a police report.

mace

captkw - 2-5-2014 at 09:16 PM

hola,,get a small unit of bear spray....much,,much better...I know that for sure.. ha,ha...after I had to use it.. I called the cops.. they would not enter my house !! Mean stuff and it bnetter be to stop a bear!! K&T:cool:...ps,,paint it red like fire exstiguisher!!

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Cliffy - 2-5-2014 at 09:49 PM

Cans of wasp spray work as well if not better and shoot farther and are perfectly legal everywhere! I'm bringing two on my trip next month to baja to keep in the trailer.

Cliffy

captkw - 2-5-2014 at 10:03 PM

Hola,,Have you done a test or what would make you say that ???

Wasp spray

bajaguy - 2-5-2014 at 10:03 PM

Wasp spray used as personal defense is not legal...it is an insecticide and a poison......federal law prohibits the use of any pesticide in a manner inconsistent with its labeling. That means it's a felony to use it on a person.

Read all about it:

http://oklahomapersonaldefense.com/waspspraymyth.html
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Originally posted by Cliffy
Cans of wasp spray work as well if not better and shoot farther and are perfectly legal everywhere! I'm bringing two on my trip next month to baja to keep in the trailer.

I rest my case !!

captkw - 2-5-2014 at 10:05 PM

Cliffy - 2-6-2014 at 06:01 AM

http://www.snopes.com/crime/prevent/waspspray.asp

Granted it may not be the best weapon to use but absent of the ability to own or travel with a gun or pepper spray it is an option for self defense. It is a ludicrous argument to tell someone that because a label says "not for use on humans" and that they should suffer great bodily harm if that's all they have.
You really want to say that if you hear a knock on the door at midnight and then the door is busted in that you would read the label and wouldn't use wasp spray to protect yourself if that is all you had?
It is perfectly legal TO OWN even where a gun and/or pepper spray is outlawed. To use it in defense of ones life may very well incur an investigation by the authorities but you would still be alive. Was it used as a defensive weapon or was it unjustifiable use of force as an aggressor? Just as with using a gun, a knife or a baseball bat in self defense, you will have to prove your position on using any weapon.
A spray can of automotive brake cleaner will also incapacitate an attacker if hit in the eyes but its range is much less than wasp spray and it also has "health" warnings for improper use.
Having had bits of both wasp spray and brake cleaner in my eyes I can attest to their effectiveness.
The idea is to incapacitate an attacker with anything you have at hand and get the heck out of there and get away. When faced with over whelming or disparate force anything you have can be used in your self defense.
I used to teach flight attendants how to use what they had available in the airplane for their self defense should the need arise. A pot of very hot coffee is a great short term weapon as is the steel coffee pot top edge when used on someones head! It makes nasty cuts on the skull. BTW, it's not designed for use on humans either!
I'll have wasp spray with me in my TT in Mexico rather than risk any questions about why I have pepper spray. As I can't conceal carry down there, I also have a knife and a machete, I'll use anything I have at the proper time.
As always your mileage may vary, your choice, live or die!
There is an old saying- I'd rather be judged by 12 than carried by 6.

Bob and Susan - 2-6-2014 at 06:09 AM

if you try to use mace...
someone will "take it" and spray you...
we just aren't 20 anymore and pumped up on chemicals

that said...

I've heard..."never take a knife to a gunfight"

absinvestor - 2-6-2014 at 09:29 AM

I'm far from an expert on Mace. However, the reason we have it is we walk our dog late at night in Colorado. One night a sheriff approached us to say that there had been a few problems in that area and he suggested it. He recommended that we get a spray sold at a local police supply store. The spray recommended was a combination of pepper and another ingredient. He said that some people can handle pepper but nobody he knows can handle both ingredients. The spray is colored and is very difficult to wash off etc. He said to empty the container in the facial area of the attacker and the attacker will definitely go to the ground and not be able to see and have a big problem breathing for several minutes. We spend several months a year in Mexico and have never had a problem. The reason for the question was not feeling a need to use it in Mexico but since it is in the wife's pocket I didn't want to have an issue when carrying it in Mexico.

DENNIS - 2-6-2014 at 09:31 AM

Bear Spray......power and range.......watch the videos:



http://www.udap.com/





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stop um fast

captkw - 2-6-2014 at 09:51 AM

cliffy,,did you read the whole article that bajaguy provided the link to ?? btw wasp spray is just a poison and compered to CAPSICUM in bear spray which "hands down" works FAST as like in a split second !!! you really should do some research on such matters if your concerd for your safety..I have had the use of bear spray and its F--king is amazing and nocks a person backwards ..just make sure the wind is not in your face direction..bears spray works in three ways,, blinding the eyes and stopping inhaleing ox at the same time while burning like living hell!! wife tales and internet tales about wasp spray are BS if you want to get down and be a bad ass...I have driven a rv& boat to panama & back !! YA,,I'm a Mean MF when it gets rough..wasp spray will not save your a$$. bottle with rocks and gas works too !!think about it !!

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[Edited on 2-6-2014 by captkw]

Bajajorge - 2-6-2014 at 10:12 AM

Using wasp spray for self defense may be a crime, but sometimes yah just gotta grab whatever's available to save your a$$.

bajaguy - 2-6-2014 at 10:16 AM

Cliffy........In my 21 years military (active & Reserves) and a total of 42 years combined civilian law enforcement, I was never once was issued wasp spray.........having said that..........

You will be in Mexico, and you will not "be tried by 12"......if you are concerned about your safety, and being "tried by 12", you might as well carry, legal or not.

My opinion is that wasp spray MAY be a diversion if you are on the inside squirting out, but if you let someone get within wasp spray, knife or machete range, they are too close and you lose.....

Whatever your weapon(s) of choice are, you need the ability, mindset and the training to make them work. Situational awareness is your best defense/weapon.

Good luck in your travels and I wish you and yours safe travels.


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Originally posted by Cliffy


I'll have wasp spray with me in my TT in Mexico rather than risk any questions about why I have pepper spray. As I can't conceal carry down there, I also have a knife and a machete, I'll use anything I have at the proper time.
As always your mileage may vary, your choice, live or die!
There is an old saying- I'd rather be judged by 12 than carried by 6.

Bajajorge - 2-6-2014 at 10:31 AM

My LE Dept issued pepper spray. The only problem was that every time one of the Officers used it whoever was in the area also got the business, but to a lesser extent of what the main target received.

Cliffy - 2-6-2014 at 01:45 PM

Yes I read the entire article (that doesn't mean that it is the only opinion, likewise, did you read the snoops link I sent?). Yes a I am quite familiar with Mace, pepper spray and all the permutations of same. Yes I am professionally trained in defensive handgun, personal hand to hand (to a lesser extent) combat, trained by and for several airlines in a/c defense.
Some people believe that nothing less than a 40 cal hand gun is enough but disregard all the fatalities from 22s. Some people won't go without an 18 round double stack mag with two extras, some go with one revolver, Some people can not own guns or pepper spray, one can't travel with pepper spray on the airlines (checked baggage maybe). Bear spray may not be readily available but wasp spray is. Having it in my eyes I can tell you your blind for a few minutes. Like I said, it may not be the best but if it is available use it.
Now, knowing that it has been said that bear spray is not a problem at the border, so be it, sure it could be the best in this situation. But that doesn't eliminate wasp spray from the equation. Use what's available. Up in the states it's a 9mm, down in Mexico (because I don't want any issues what so ever with either side of the border) I'll use wasp spray. Like I said, your mileage may vary, it's a personal choice.

Hola cliffy

captkw - 2-6-2014 at 08:20 PM

Good response and I understand...question have you spent time in ALASKA around bears ?? ITS a fair question, since were talking about bear spray and such ??? they have,, my MOST respect and for me..I'll bring a deer slug or bear spray that I have used along with wasp spray, but,, we are talking apples and cherrys....ships & jet ski's...but each to there own and I respect your thought's and sharing...thanx...if you ever get the chance to try bear spray ( not pepper) 2 0r 3x the Capsicum... I think you might get my point...But,,no harm on anyones part here...And if trying Bear Spray...for gods sake BE CAREFUL !! its more than MEAN !!! ITs downright SCARY STUFF !! what the cops use in pepper spray is like coors beer next to gin !! YIKES!!

Terry28 - 2-6-2014 at 09:32 PM

Baja Guy...I'm with you Terry...if they are in that range they are way to close.
and that carrying idea is constantly being thought over.....

baconjr - 2-7-2014 at 12:28 PM

Here is a company that has pepper spray as a burglary alarm.http://burglarbomb.com/

mcfez - 2-7-2014 at 01:42 PM

Say Capt..........
I been using wasp spray "forever" ..I in fact wrote about the use of it, here at BN several years ago. Still recommend it highly.

Now.....these bears your speak of....I carry a "boat use" can of air horn. It'll do the trick unless you walked into her territory that harbors her cubs.....that's when you pray I suppose :-) The 395 corridor has plenty of bears...which is our playground as well as The Baja is. Effective use as we found out in Green Valley of the Bridgeport area.

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Originally posted by captkw
Good response and I understand...question have you spent time in ALASKA around bears ?? ITS a fair question, since were talking about bear spray and such ??? they have,, my MOST respect and for me..I'll bring a deer slug or bear spray that I have used along with wasp spray, but,, we are talking apples and cherrys....ships & jet ski's...but each to there own and I respect your thought's and sharing...thanx...if you ever get the chance to try bear spray ( not pepper) 2 0r 3x the Capsicum... I think you might get my point...But,,no harm on anyones part here...And if trying Bear Spray...for gods sake BE CAREFUL !! its more than MEAN !!! ITs downright SCARY STUFF !! what the cops use in pepper spray is like coors beer next to gin !! YIKES!!








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alacran - 2-7-2014 at 07:43 PM

I agree that any spray, that helps you survive, is ok.
However I know that ammonia water, in a spray bottle, at 10, 15 feet will stop anyone, when in the face or close up.
It also is a great window cleaner, wasp sting, and ray sting aid. And legal.
Pick your option.

alacran - 2-7-2014 at 07:45 PM

I agree that any spray, that helps you survive, is ok.
However I know that ammonia water, in a spray bottle, at 10, 15 feet will stop anyone, when in the face or close up.
It also is a great window cleaner, wasp sting, and ray sting aid. And legal.
Pick your option.

Cliffy - 2-8-2014 at 12:52 AM

Captkw- Yes I have been to Alaska, and I do understand your preference for bear spray, really nasty stuff if you get hit with it. I am also in agreement with Terry that 20 feet is too close BUT situations usually happen inside that range before one realizes that a threat exists. Per LAPD, most gun fights are 15 yards and less than 30 seconds. 15 yards with a knife is less than 5 seconds out. That's why my training was 2 center mass at 15 yds from concealed carry in 2 seconds or less. It can be done with time to spare.
I would always give deference to a higher form of deterrent than wasp spray but given that unless one pre plans and gets good bear spray and if one wants to cross a border with it then wasp spray (available most everywhere) will work. Not as good as bear spray (as you point out) but enough to get away.
I view concealed carry the same way, I MAY cc a 22 wheel gun with no speed loader but I'm not out to stop a bank robbery either. I'll make a lot of noise in the right direction and get the hell out of there.
BTW, you need to try Africa for things that bite, been there 5 times and going back for more. Bear spray be damned there, you need to carry real firepower. :-) :-)

Cliffy,,Hola

captkw - 2-8-2014 at 01:16 AM

A 22LR is so missed under rated for its jumps around once it enters !! But not with major stopping power !! I have no time with wasp spray !! I do have time with bear spray...and I'm more than Impressed !! the crap works well if no heavy wind !! I don't know the right answer about this,,but if you go and buy some REAL bear spray you have a Damn good tool in your corner !! and thanx for taking the time to respond !! I don't think that you will find anyone,,person,,L.E. in bear area's that would carry wasp spray over bear spray to protect ,family ,,kids!!! its not even in the same book!!! Bear spray is made to stop a bear !!! and it does a good job !! LIKE crazy stuff !! tell ya what........buy some bear spray and you yourself compare the two....then come back here and tell me/us what you found !!!!

alacran - 2-11-2014 at 05:34 PM

The key words are: effective and legal.

jimgrms - 2-12-2014 at 07:59 AM

Just saying ,i have been bitten or stung by wasp After i sprayed them,

jimgrim

captkw - 2-12-2014 at 08:06 AM

Hola,,there is a saying in Alaska..."don't shoot a bear with a 38. your just gonna pee him off!!"