BajaNomad - Fact or fiction?

Fact or fiction?

vseasport - 2-8-2014 at 11:37 AM

Fact or fiction?
Not much of a fishing report this week because there are not that many fishing. Off shore the showing of striped marlin and dorado has continued for the few boats out there. In shore yellowtail are in the neighborhood but finding live bait has been problematic.

Fact or fiction Fluorocarbon has little or no stretch? At a Super Bowl party I posed this question. (Heck, the game wasn't worth watching and we needed something to talk about.) The consensus was fact. I also asked seasoned sport writers and skippers who made their living sportfishing. The result was the same. Everyone I spoke with agreed that fluorocarbon did not stretch much.

As it has turned out I and everybody I asked have been mis-informed. Fluorocarbon does stretch. In fact it may stretch more than monofiliment.

Last fall we switched all of our mono and florocarbon to Momio and it didn't take long for me to be convinced it is the highest quality product on the market today. Speaking with the folks at Momoi we started a dialog about the characteristics of fluorocarbon. That is when I discovered my perception was all wrong.

Hi-Liner Fishing Gear and Tackle that distributes Momoi in the US has a $10,000 machine specifically built to test line strength. They have determined that their monofiliment can be stretched 100 times and will return to it's original length and strength without fatigue. They boast theirs is the only mono produced with this ability. Putting fluorocarbon on the same machine they have found that it stretches as much or more than mono before breaking.

How could I and so many others not be aware of this? I believed what Hi-liner was telling me to be true but wanted to do a little more research just be certain. And there it was on Seaguar's web site.
"MYTH: Fluorocarbon has very little stretch or none at all.
FACT: Yes, fluorocarbon lines and leaders do stretch, but not as much as mono. Line typically has more stretch than leader. All Seaguar lines and leaders provide the optimum amount of shock impact/stretch."

So it seems not everyone completely agrees to the degree of stretch, but I have come to the conclusion it has a considerable amount.

Posted are a collection of "Baja centerfold" photos captured on Jen Wren Boats last year.

Mark Rayor
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Great info

captkw - 2-8-2014 at 11:58 AM

its how the human mind works..if you perceive what everybody else is "told"it becames fact..just like the fact that japan was more than ready to surrender but we had too drop the bomb !! 99.9 folks in the USA think that dropping the bomb (2) made the war end....That's because they have been told over and over and over and over that lie..and as such it becomes a fact of their little minds and nothing will change their notion that they know the facts ! !!

Osprey - 2-8-2014 at 12:54 PM

Mark, the Momoi line sounds wonderful. Since you have a working relationship with them, how about asking them if they would be interested in a Nomad field test. If they could send some line to a number of saltwater fishermen Nomads, I for one would be glad to use it, test it and report how it held up against other lines used in this area, by local fishermen, for gamefish on standard salt water gear. OR WE COULD MAKE IT AN ALL OUT CONTEST -- we would bet them against some reasonable odds for some small wager. Seems like it could be an advertising win/win for them.

Barry A. - 2-8-2014 at 01:10 PM

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Originally posted by captkw
its how the human mind works..if you perceive what everybody else is "told"it becames fact..just like the fact that japan was more than ready to surrender but we had too drop the bomb !! 99.9 folks in the USA think that dropping the bomb (2) made the war end....That's because they have been told over and over and over and over that lie..and as such it becomes a fact of their little minds and nothing will change their notion that they know the facts ! !!

Cap't, there is gobs of info that refute the contention that "Japan was ready to surrender before the bomb". They were totally ready and able to defend the homeland, and there are reams of plans and documents now available that prove that unconditionally. Do a little research.

http://vfw7016.org/JapanInvasionPlan.pdf

The "bomb drops" saved 100's of thousands of lives, if not millions, on both sides.

Edited to add the link.

Barry

[Edited on 2-8-2014 by Barry A.]

As I stated in my post

captkw - 2-8-2014 at 02:02 PM

Great example Barry..I've done Much research on this matter and It's clear..japan was attemping to surrender and not lose "Face" your welcome to belive that old lie...But the known facts state otherwise..Most folks are not ready to look into it and just accept what they have told over and over and over again !! I was surprised myself when I started to challenge and look into this subject...."good day"

chuckie - 2-8-2014 at 02:06 PM

mmmmph

Skipjack Joe - 2-8-2014 at 02:19 PM

My research goes with captkw. Furthermore, the lie is repeated because the truth is historically embarassing.

Cypress - 2-8-2014 at 02:39 PM

All I can catch down here in the marsh are red fish. Mighty good to eat, but not as glamorous as marlin.

Barry A. - 2-8-2014 at 03:00 PM

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Originally posted by Skipjack Joe
My research goes with captkw. Furthermore, the lie is repeated because the truth is historically embarassing.

Conflicts in interpretation of the historical record, bias, and agenda by people supposedly in the know (but weren't really). At the least, I would not call the Administrations position "lies"------like Iraq, a decision had to be made on the "best evidence" available, and subsequent investigations have substantiated that decision, in both cases.

I am biased in that my Uncle was in on the ground-floor of the Manhattan Project, was in charge of all info concerning the Nagasaki bomb, and in fact was aboard the aircraft as 'Weaponeer' when the bomb was dropped on Nagasaki. He retired as a Vice-Admiral. I have had long conversations with him on the subject, and in fact he has written a book about it, but it was never published, but was directed and distributed to all Family members so the truth from his perspective would be known. Because of his position, and his character, I believe him.

Barry

monoloco - 2-8-2014 at 03:38 PM

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Originally posted by Osprey
Mark, the Momoi line sounds wonderful. Since you have a working relationship with them, how about asking them if they would be interested in a Nomad field test. If they could send some line to a number of saltwater fishermen Nomads, I for one would be glad to use it, test it and report how it held up against other lines used in this area, by local fishermen, for gamefish on standard salt water gear. OR WE COULD MAKE IT AN ALL OUT CONTEST -- we would bet them against some reasonable odds for some small wager. Seems like it could be an advertising win/win for them.

I will volunteer for that duty, no one can abuse perfectly good fishing equipment better than me. Heck, this year, while battling one of his buddies, I had a bull dorado jerk a rod holder right off the boat, sending the rod and reel overboard. I guess it didn't make much difference what brand of line I was using on that one. :lol:

vseasport - 2-8-2014 at 04:49 PM

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Osprey, I must admit reading your reply made me smile.

It was eye opening to learn that Momio has the lion's share of the market over the entire East coast. They sell more line in America than any other manufacture. They don't need a contest to prove their line is the best. It is only the West coast guys that aren't aware. I'm jazzed that a buddy turned me onto it.

If I could get Momio to give me product I would certainly use it. Fact is I just spent more than $1,000 for some product I purchased just to start our season.

The perception that manufactures are giving us product is as off base as believing fluorocarbon has no stretch. In the old days we could get some of the gear companies to throw us a bone. The fact is today everybody is working on tight margins and must account for their inventory.

That is not to say I don't get certain perks. Accurate doesn't give us reels but they do endorse us and just that benefit from a major manufacture is huge. So, they scratch my back and I scratch theirs. It is about networking not getting product.

Some guys don't care and fish with budget tackle. That is okay. They are most likely the same guys looking for the least expensive charter which is also okay. Others demand quality and are willing to pay for it. If you appreciate quality, spool up a reel or two with Momio and you will see for yourself.

I was surprised to find Momoi in Minerva's and also several So CA tackle shops. It has always been there and I just looked right through it at the brands I was familiar with.

LancairDriver - 2-8-2014 at 05:39 PM

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Originally posted by Barry A.

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Originally posted by Skipjack Joe
My research goes with captkw. Furthermore, the lie is repeated because the truth is historically embarassing.

Since this thread has already been hopelessly hijacked, I'll add another item of historical interest for Barry, involving his Uncle.

http://thelibertarianrepublic.com/complete-footage-bombing-n...

bajagrouper - 2-8-2014 at 06:07 PM

Next you will say Columbus did not discover North America..........

Barry A. - 2-8-2014 at 06:09 PM

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Originally posted by bajagrouper
Next you will say Columbus did not discover North America..........

He didn't-------------the Norsemen did. :tumble:

---------and before them, the ancestors of the American Indian did.

---------etc.???

barry

[Edited on 2-9-2014 by Barry A.]

Skipjack Joe - 2-8-2014 at 06:19 PM

You are right. This thread has been hijacked. And I will no longer take part in it. Not because I have high principles but because there is no end to this subject matter.

Barry A. - 2-8-2014 at 08:32 PM

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Originally posted by Skipjack Joe
You are right. This thread has been hijacked. And I will no longer take part in it. Not because I have high principles but because there is no end to this subject matter.

I agree, SkipJack, but I didn't bring the subject up.

Nuff said on that.

Barry

Pescador - 2-9-2014 at 07:57 AM

We tried Momoi but it breaks very close or under stated test and it just did not hold up to the abuse we give it with big yellowtail that are caught on the rocks in our area. The theory that it is close to invisible is very good and it would always be good to have less visibility of line and this becomes especially true when fish get a little on the skittish side.
In our case the solution was to use 80 lb spectra with 60 lb Green Berkley Big Game topshotted by threading the mono into the hollow spectra and then serving the connection.
When we tried this with Seagur, Momoi, and one other, we simply did not get the strength needed and had line breaks. I think that is partly because the shock strength is generally way below the slow breaking strength. When a yellowtail does violent head shakes something has to take up that impact and shock and even with a rod with a more limber tip, we still got the breakage with Floro.
Another interesting side was that we would put on floro with one rod and green on another and we still seemed to get more bites on the green. That can not be generalized to all fishing conditions because it is very specific to our area and fishing from 150-300 ft of depth.

P.S. FWIW

Osprey - 2-9-2014 at 10:18 AM

Thanks for the info Jim. I've only had one break with my Brazilian Bear mono but it was a big blue marlin that got way out ahead of me when I was asleep at the brain.

Never lost a fish to the failure of my Jinkai leaders.

[Edited on 2-9-2014 by Osprey]

vseasport - 2-9-2014 at 08:18 PM

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Originally posted by Pescador
We tried Momoi but it breaks very close or under stated test and it just did not hold up to the abuse we give it with big yellowtail that are caught on the rocks in our area. The theory that it is close to invisible is very good and it would always be good to have less visibility of line and this becomes especially true when fish get a little on the skittish side.
In our case the solution was to use 80 lb spectra with 60 lb Green Berkley Big Game topshotted by threading the mono into the hollow spectra and then serving the connection.
When we tried this with Seagur, Momoi, and one other, we simply did not get the strength needed and had line breaks. I think that is partly because the shock strength is generally way below the slow breaking strength. When a yellowtail does violent head shakes something has to take up that impact and shock and even with a rod with a more limber tip, we still got the breakage with Floro.
Another interesting side was that we would put on floro with one rod and green on another and we still seemed to get more bites on the green. That can not be generalized to all fishing conditions because it is very specific to our area and fishing from 150-300 ft of depth.

Fact, Momoi 30# Diamond mono breaks at 58#s, maybe 56 or 57 on a bad day. Momoi Hi-Catch 30# breaks at 38#. Now, maybe not if you store your line in the sun for a long period but then Avets preform as well as Accurates they just cost less. Nothing wrong with saving $$$

vSEASPORT

captkw - 2-9-2014 at 08:26 PM

Hola,Nice Pics and Info...I tried to find their website with no luck...and I as a west coast guy have never heard of it...thanx for sharing...do you know the website for them??

vseasport - 2-10-2014 at 06:37 AM

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Originally posted by captkw
Hola,Nice Pics and Info...I tried to find their website with no luck...and I as a west coast guy have never heard of it...thanx for sharing...do you know the website for them??

I had trouble finding it the first time and have posted their logo and link on the home page of our web site. Here it is: http://diamondfishing.com

Last week the largest yellowfin tuna ever landed on a rod and reel (445lbs) was taken using Momoi leader.

With an open mind the war debate is interesting no matter what you believe. Yellowtail breaking off 80# with a head shake in 300 ft. is a little deep for me. I'm out of here!

[Edited on 2-10-2014 by vseasport]

[Edited on 2-10-2014 by vseasport]

Holy s--T !!

captkw - 2-10-2014 at 10:25 AM

Where was that caught ?? and did it go to the Hilo or toykayo ?? thanks for the link...455lbs sounds more like a big eye or blue !!!can ya say "COW" !!!