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El Nino Info

motoged - 5-30-2014 at 12:54 PM

No comments expected/wanted re: Al Gore, etc:

Just FYI..... http://www.theweathernetwork.com/news/articles/how-will-el-nino-impact-weather-patterns/28437/

chuckie - 5-30-2014 at 01:01 PM

Interesting..thanks

rts551 - 5-30-2014 at 07:27 PM

ged, one of the things my neighbor on the right and I agree on is the water is higher over the last couple of years, the weather has changed, and the water temps are warmer.


We are hoping for a great fishing season this summer!

CP - 5-31-2014 at 06:54 AM

Thanks, ged.
One of the easiest to understand and clearly illustrated articles I have recently read on the subject.

vgabndo - 5-31-2014 at 09:16 AM

Thanks Ged, you are a gentleman and a scholar. I find Dr. Gillham to be a small college meteorologist who just got his PHD three years ago. He seems to have a major interest in preparing "TV Weather Men" for media presentation of "weather forecasts". This doesn't make him wrong, but may explain his ability to simplify the explanation of El Niņo/La Niņa. This site: http://www.elnino.noaa.gov/forecast.html
is a well funded effort and contains links to forecasts, observations, and research methods they've utilized.

I did learn from Dr. Gillham that this year's (potential annual) El Niņo is graphically a blip on the sine wave's low point as seen over a period of decades of rising and falling sea water temperatures in the applicable regions. I don't remember seeing that before. Thanks.

mrfatboy - 5-31-2014 at 03:29 PM

Which one (El Niņo or La Niņa ) that brings all the rains to CA? It was topic of conversation the other night and was split down the middle.

We need the rain !!!

[Edited on 5-31-2014 by mrfatboy]

Ateo - 5-31-2014 at 03:38 PM

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Originally posted by mrfatboy
Which one (El Niņo or La Niņa ) that brings all the rains to CA? It was topic of conversation the other night and was split down the middle.

We need the rain !!!

[Edited on 5-31-2014 by mrfatboy]


El Nino=Rains in CA

mrfatboy - 5-31-2014 at 03:56 PM

Thank you for confirming. That's what I thought. Several people owe me a steak dinner. Viva El Niņo!

BajaDanD - 5-31-2014 at 04:55 PM

where has the water been higher and by how much. no scientists are claiming that water levels have already risen, just that they will rise and by vary small increments. As far as temps, we have had El Nino's many times before. Long before man was heating up the planet.

rts551 - 5-31-2014 at 07:18 PM

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Originally posted by BajaDanD
where has the water been higher and by how much. no scientists are claiming that water levels have already risen, just that they will rise and by vary small increments. As far as temps, we have had El Nino's many times before. Long before man was heating up the planet.


Nat Geo: Scientific research indicates sea levels worldwide have been rising at a rate of 0.14 inches (3.5 millimeters) per year since the early 1990s.

you can google sea level rise and find all kinds of info. Have not found any argument against the rise....only the cause.

For what ever reason, we have noticed it at the high tide line in front of our house.

Bajaboy - 5-31-2014 at 07:24 PM

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Originally posted by rts551
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Originally posted by BajaDanD
where has the water been higher and by how much. no scientists are claiming that water levels have already risen, just that they will rise and by vary small increments. As far as temps, we have had El Nino's many times before. Long before man was heating up the planet.


Nat Geo: Scientific research indicates sea levels worldwide have been rising at a rate of 0.14 inches (3.5 millimeters) per year since the early 1990s.

you can google sea level rise and find all kinds of info. Have not found any argument against the rise....only the cause.

For what ever reason, we have noticed it at the high tide line in front of our house.


David Kier swears sea level is the same based on his many adventures to Shell Island. So it's up to you on whom to believe:light:

Cliffy - 5-31-2014 at 07:42 PM

Interesting article Thanks!

elgatoloco - 6-1-2014 at 10:02 AM

More El Niņo info

http://sealevel.jpl.nasa.gov/science/elninopdo/learnmorenino...

I was splaining to my neighbor about they why to's and what for's on the weather pattern and his blank stare and slight look of doubt had me sending this link to him so he could look around and take it all in at his own speed.

Disclaimer - these are some of the same organization who put a man on the moon so take their observations with a grain of salt. :biggrin::saint:

rts551 - 6-1-2014 at 10:39 AM

They never went to the moon! It was all a Hollywood setup in order to get more money.

Mexitron - 6-1-2014 at 10:43 AM

Folks---the sea level rise they're talking about in the article has to do with the warmer sea temps in the Pacific caused by the El Nino pattern and nothing to do with climate change--- water expands as it heats up---that's how they measure sea surface temps with satellites.

mrfatboy - 6-5-2014 at 08:33 AM

US weather forecaster sees 70% chance of El Nino - @Reuters

shari - 6-5-2014 at 08:48 AM

in places like Laguna Ojo de Liebre where it is so flat, it is very noticeable if there is even a small rise in water levels which has definitely been observed there. They had to move the camp sites up as they are now flooded at a high tide. My original camp from 25 years ago is underwater at high tide.

vgabndo - 6-5-2014 at 09:15 AM

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Originally posted by BajaDanD
where has the water been higher and by how much. no scientists are claiming that water levels have already risen, just that they will rise and by vary small increments. As far as temps, we have had El Nino's many times before. Long before man was heating up the planet.


Here is a good site to help clear-up any misunderstanding. I thought the stuff beginning on page 16 was appropriate to your contention.

http://www.cakex.org/sites/default/files/documents/NCA-PIRCA...

dtbushpilot - 6-5-2014 at 09:19 AM

"No comments expected/wanted re: Al Gore, etc:"

Come on Ged, you're taking all the fun out of it, how long can this post stay active with a limitation like that?
:lol::lol:

sancho - 6-5-2014 at 11:16 AM

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El Nino=Rains in CA





I hope, I've never valued water like I do now. 70 temp
Ocean water here in May, not sure I've ever seen that

motoged - 6-5-2014 at 11:20 AM

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Originally posted by dtbushpilot
"No comments expected/wanted re: Al Gore, etc:"

Come on Ged, you're taking all the fun out of it, how long can this post stay active with a limitation like that?
:lol::lol:


David,
You know I am an idealist and a romantic :lol::lol::lol:

My expectations are rarely met and my wishes seldomly granted :lol:

Regardless, the opinions flow.....

:coolup:

Hope Jill, you, Cacahuete and the boys are all doing well.

Nomads: Here is DT doing research on water levels.....he is old enough to remember when this was a flowing stream...





....and when he would go waterskiing here:


BajaDanD - 6-6-2014 at 08:32 PM

so .14 in per year since the 1990s would make 3 inches almost and with the tide coming in and out with waves lapping against the shore you can tell the difference of 3 inches when the tide is different every day. come on give me a break. Are you watching the water levels rise in a fish tank? Shore lines recede and advance from all kinds of things. Currents, storms, tide and wave action to name a few, all wash away shore line and move sand around

The campgrounds at Ojo de liebre get flooded because the sand barrier in front of it has been washed away at some places. I know I haven't been going there as long as Sheri has But I've been going there for a long time I remember when I could camp in those spots too.
One day even David K's favorite place in all of Baja, Shell Island/Shell beach might get washed away too.