BajaNomad - MARINAZUL The desert next to Shell Island and Bahia Santa Maria to become mega golf resort!

MARINAZUL The desert next to Shell Island and Bahia Santa Maria to become mega golf resort!

David K - 6-1-2014 at 06:27 PM

The South Campos Facebook page broke the news and this link was added... (the photo is obviously of the Pacific ocean, and there are no rock features like that near Bahia Santa Maria )

http://sanfelipe.com.mx/2013/01/06/only-28-miles-south-from-...

Here is part of that link:
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According to the two environmental impact manifestos delivered by Inveravante-Crecentia corporation to the Secretariat of
Environment and Natural Resources (SEMARNAT) in September 2011, Marinazul is located in the coastal corridor San Felipe – Bahia de los Angeles, a pristine area recognized for its high potential to attract international tourism.

The start of the project was awaiting its authorization while the environmental impact requirement was still under review in SEMARNAT on April 15 of last year.

The Spanish investor expects the development of basic infrastructure will be completed in a period of five years, and the time they will take to complete the work is estimated in about 25 years, while project life is estimated at 50.

The land on which the megaproject is intended to carry out operations is also known as Campo Santa Maria, Ejido Delicias or Percebú and is part of the Ejido Plan Nacional Agrario located within the municipality of Ensenada. The project will have an economical impact
benefiting the town of San Felipe, which is located 28 kilometers north of the project.

The investor, represented in Mexico by project manager Manuel Rodriguez Gonzalez, explains in the environmental manifests that due to the complexity and nature of the works, a master plan was raised and it is aimed at tourist-oriented real estate development.

The project involves performing a set of buildings and infrastructure that will allow the creation of tourist activities, which include
sports, relaxation, recreation and commerce among others.

For these reasons, Marinazul projected land development is considered a private investment of “high social benefit.”

The most important aspects that distinguish the project are:

1. – Design adapted to the natural conditions of the land, thereby allowing for the optimal use of the land in a sustainable
manner.

2. – Optimal use of water, including recycling wastewater for use in landscaping and irrigation of the golf course, and the
installation of a desalination plant as a source for drinking water.

3. – Exclusion of wastewater discharge.

4. – Integrated waste management.

5. – Implementation of an architectural approach according to the characteristics of the existing environment.

The Spanish consortium considers that the project Marinazul should be placed as a single property, whose estate covers an area of
1,200 hectares, which will house all specifics of the project that will consist of various infrastructure deployment phases.

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My thoughts:

Since there is no direct beach frontage, and only lagoon/ marsh/ tidal flats (and the barrier island of 'Shell Island') on the east edge of the desert property, this will be interesting to see if it comes close to happening or destroying an area then going out of business before it is completed?

If they do go ahead and fill in the lagoon and the back bay at Santa Maria and the perhaps the south end of Shell Island so there is a beach the mega resort has access to (without 4WD and salt water crossing :lol:

) I hope it doesn't prevent anyone from enjoying the majority of Shell Island, to the north of Km. 28. Shell Island is at Km. 26, and the island goes just 1.5 km. towards the south from the access road.

rts551 - 6-1-2014 at 08:03 PM

Had to happen I guess. Our family first start camping at Percebú in 1959 and continued to until the late 70's. Camp was run by an old Indian/Mexican named Joe (Jose) who had a trailer on top of the hill. perfect vacation spot for x-mas (the pacific being our destination in the summer).

The are they describe cold be quiet large and include much more than the estuary.

viabaja - 6-1-2014 at 09:16 PM

David, looks like I sold our house in Percebu at the right time. We hated to leave, but plans dictated we move on. Now this. It's a drag, but as mentioned, it eventually was going to happen. Fishing has been going down hill for a number of years and now this mega project probably will be the end of how we know/access Shell Island. Bummer. C

mtgoat666 - 6-2-2014 at 08:28 AM

look at this ambitious plan for a marina:
http://sinat.semarnat.gob.mx/dgiraDocs/documentos/bc/resumen...

chuckie - 6-2-2014 at 09:44 AM

Too many of these projects are appearing as if they might happen....

woody with a view - 6-2-2014 at 10:55 AM

that's crappy when it's your spot!!!!!

support Wildcoast!

MMc - 6-2-2014 at 03:08 PM

Amen Wildcoast is your best friend.

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Originally posted by woody with a view
that's crappy when it's your spot!!!!!

support Wildcoast!

Udo - 6-2-2014 at 03:19 PM

I'll believe it when I see it.

bajaguy - 6-2-2014 at 03:29 PM

I don't think the whole reason for improving/paving Hwy 5 to Hwy 1 is for the truckers to bypass Ensenada and San Quintin..........

Somebody with big bucks has their fingers in the pie and stand to make some $$$ on the deal by opening up all the property along both sides of Hwy 5. Just follow the money.

Who was the President of Mexico when that highway improvement was approved and construction started???? Who is the construction company related to and what relatives of the politicians own property along the route????

Maybe not soon, but power lines will start to appear...........

durrelllrobert - 6-2-2014 at 03:32 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by bajaguy
I don't think the whole reason for improving/paving Hwy 5 to Hwy 1 is for the truckers to bypass Ensenada and San Quintin..........

Somebody with big bucks has their fingers in the pie and stand to make some $$$ on the deal by opening up all the property along both sides of Hwy 5. Just follow the money.

Who was the President of Mexico when that highway improvement was approved and construction started???? Who is the construction company related to and what relatives of the politicians own property along the route????

Maybe not soon, but power lines will start to appear...........

I doubt if some one will make $$$ on that project. It will be more like $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$ :tumble:

MMc - 6-2-2014 at 03:38 PM

Look what little money did for the prime surf spots on the Pacific side. I'm sure you could roll the green on the 8th hole at night to get to your spot. I hope it doesn't happen.

[Edited on 6-2-2014 by MMc]

viabaja - 6-2-2014 at 08:38 PM

PDF posted by mtgoat666 - that so called marina - cannot see how they will do it. I don't care how many millions they throw into it. Been going to that part of the world since the 60's. Seen the ultra high tides and chubascos roll into that back salt flat with a lot of water! Don't care how much rock you put into it, will not sustain. Everything (beach, flats) sits on clay (ancient see bottom). I think the Army Corp of Engineers would laugh and say find another spot. But then, this is Mexico. Sounds like another investor boondoggle. Yes, they may build some resort in the interior, but that Marina is most likely not going to happen. I don't think people understand the EXTREME tides that occur in the Upper Sea of Cortez. I watched the harbor in SF being built. That was a piece of cake to what is being proposed here. As someone mentioned, follow the money!

Terry28 - 6-2-2014 at 08:54 PM

I hear Donald Trump is behind this...maybe time to get in on the ground floor!!

mtgoat666 - 6-2-2014 at 10:31 PM

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Originally posted by viabaja
PDF posted by mtgoat666 - that so called marina - cannot see how they will do it. I don't care how many millions they throw into it. Been going to that part of the world since the 60's. Seen the ultra high tides and chubascos roll into that back salt flat with a lot of water! Don't care how much rock you put into it, will not sustain. Everything (beach, flats) sits on clay (ancient see bottom). I think the Army Corp of Engineers would laugh and say find another spot. But then, this is Mexico. Sounds like another investor boondoggle. Yes, they may build some resort in the interior, but that Marina is most likely not going to happen. I don't think people understand the EXTREME tides that occur in the Upper Sea of Cortez. I watched the harbor in SF being built. That was a piece of cake to what is being proposed here. As someone mentioned, follow the money!

They may try. They may fail. Will probably wreck the sand spits in the process. Perhaps a couple hurricanes over next couple decades will repair the damage, remove the scars.
Floating docks for 21 foot tides will require some long ramps, eh?
But that tidal flushing will wash the feces out of the marina, so may be ok to flush head to sea at dock.

mtgoat666 - 6-2-2014 at 10:35 PM

Why a marina? Dry boat storage facility would be better. No one is going to dock large boats there. Why would they? Northern SOC is chitty place to cruise on large boats.

Only boats there will be 20 foot boats for day trips to fish. Lift and dry storage is all that's needed.

mcfez - 6-2-2014 at 11:01 PM

There is no international airport. There is no community to support such a investment. The SF Harbor is still not completed (all the slips are not installed and...it took delays of years to get the fuel depot) so this new harbor will fail. Golfing.....who wants to drive 30 miles and...summer will sunburn your azz.

This project will not happen. ....well.......maybe a fantastic entrance and a few homes :-)

David K - 6-2-2014 at 11:37 PM

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Mother Nature bats last!

In 1967, a chubasco made a change in the coast between Bahia Santa Maria (before it was called that) and Percebu (later called Laguna Percebu)... It created a back bay/ lagoon and the south end of today's Shell Island was disconnected from the north end of Bahia Santa Maria. A shrimp boat came in on the surge that made this new back bay and it sat there for many years before it began to be dismantled (hoping it could be re-floated out to sea at the next extreme tide surge). Before the chubasco, my dad easily drove the beach from the north side of 'Bahia Santa Maria' to Percebu, where the lagoon entrance there stopped us. Before Shell Island was an island on both ends... or as much of an island.

Looking at the maps posted on the PDF, this Shrimp boat was between the proposed harbor (which is in the salt flat area west of Bahia Santa Maria) and the present south end of Shell Island.

The next such chubasco will destroy any future harbor built in the salt flats... I think there is little doubt. It was coupled with flash floods so walls of water will be coming at this harbor from opposite sides!

bkbend - 6-3-2014 at 07:55 AM

It may happen but it won't really. There will be fancy conceptual drawings, a model home and minor infrastructure. They'll attract investors, sell lots then take the money and run.

elgatoloco - 6-3-2014 at 08:22 AM

Golf! Finally a good reason to go to SF. :saint:

ehall - 6-3-2014 at 08:23 AM

It might actually happen. Look at Rocky Point. Who would of thought high rise condos and now a cruise ship port is being built. I miss camping on the beach there.

DianaT - 6-3-2014 at 10:35 AM

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Originally posted by ehall
It might actually happen. Look at Rocky Point. Who would of thought high rise condos and now a cruise ship port is being built. I miss camping on the beach there.

I agree. At one time I would have never thought Rocky Point would develop as it has. And a few year back a resident of Gonzaga Bay told me that the pavement would never reach there, at lease not until long after she was gone. She was younger than I am, so I assume she is still kicking.

So, maybe, and maybe not. It will be interesting to watch.

[Edited on 6-3-2014 by DianaT]

rts551 - 6-3-2014 at 11:22 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by ehall
It might actually happen. Look at Rocky Point. Who would of thought high rise condos and now a cruise ship port is being built. I miss camping on the beach there.

We used to go to Puerto Peñasco because San Felipe was to crowded and we could get red snapper from the shore there.

BajaRat - 6-3-2014 at 11:37 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by mcfez
There is no international airport. There is no community to support such a investment. The SF Harbor is still not completed (all the slips are not installed and...it took delays of years to get the fuel depot) so this new harbor will fail. Golfing.....who wants to drive 30 miles and...summer will sunburn your azz.

This project will not happen. ....well.......maybe a fantastic entrance and a few homes :-)

You hit it mcFez,
But I'm sure a lot of money will change hands leaving a lot of big winners and financially ruined losers.
And a desal plant, that would help finish off that section of coastline.

wilderone - 6-3-2014 at 07:34 PM

"...important aspects that distinguish the project are:
1. – Design adapted to the natural conditions of the land, thereby allowing for the optimal use of the land in a sustainable manner.
2. – Optimal use of water, including recycling wastewater for use in landscaping and irrigation of the golf course, and the installation of a desalination plant as a source for drinking water.
3. – Exclusion of wastewater discharge.
4. – Integrated waste management.
5. – Implementation of an architectural approach according to the characteristics of the existing environment."

They must have found some old marketing hype from Loreto Bay! Ha! Waste management - hmmmm. Where have I heard that? I think Loreto Bay trucks their trash to Ensenada.
An architectural approach according to the characteristics of the existing environment - blah, blah, blah. What does THAT mean? They're going to have palapas for a 19th Hole?
Optimal use of water - IS there water?
Here we go.

MMc - 6-3-2014 at 08:19 PM

It's still gonna suck if DK can't get to his place in the sand. They will shut access to the whole area. Some of us have seen it before, I would not wish it on anybody.

Sur2baja - 6-3-2014 at 08:22 PM

I have a small porthole from that very ship we removed in 1974!

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David K - 6-3-2014 at 10:35 PM

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Originally posted by Sur2baja
I have a small porthole from that very ship we removed in 1974!

Very cool!

The Franklin diesel engine and transmission was all that remained after the wood had been removed... I think I saw some it still there not long ago... sort of a rust stain in the mud.

In 1973, my friend and I climbed up upon it and imagined to sail it away! In 1978, I tried to drive close to it from the salt flat road and slowly sunk into the goo... Got out, using a piece of wood from the boat that was about half there!

redhilltown - 6-3-2014 at 11:24 PM

Where...just WHERE are they going to get the water for this????

chuckie - 6-3-2014 at 11:48 PM

Sez desal...

PaulW - 6-4-2014 at 07:39 AM

The SF link has some inaccuracies because a site from the mainland documented the purchase of many properties (Campos) along the coast that included some mentioned in the SF story. Those many properties were purchased by a one of the companies that C. Slim owns. That report was a result of examining tax filings in Ensenada and the reporting was accurate. The Slim purchases included properties in 3 different Ejidos that I am aware of.

The Inveravante property was previously owned by Pat Butler (of Eldorado Ranch fame) and Butler's agents have been working with Inveravante for govt approvals for many years. The major issues were approval for wells in the western canyons, marina. Waste treatment, CFE power, subdivision documentation, and probably many other issues I am not aware of. Even a casino was mentioned at one time. The Slim purchases occurred after the beginning of the Inveravante/Butler sales agreement. About a 3? year gap if I remember correctly.

BTW, It has been reported that large parcels south of the one being discussed are owned by family members of the previous president and that coincided with the federal approval to improve Hwy 5. When this became known many of the coastal properties came on the market and very few were sold until the Slim activity took place.
PW

micah202 - 6-4-2014 at 07:40 AM

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Originally posted by elgatoloco
Golf! Finally a good reason to go to SF. :saint:

....haha!....have t'say!

DUH...

bajaguy - 6-4-2014 at 07:44 AM

You heard it here first

6-2-14 ..................

" I don't think the whole reason for improving/paving Hwy 5 to Hwy 1 is for the truckers to bypass Ensenada and San Quintin..........

Somebody with big bucks has their fingers in the pie and stand to make some $$$ on the deal by opening up all the property along both sides of Hwy 5. Just follow the money........................

Wait for it....wait for it.........

"Who was the President of Mexico when that highway improvement was approved and construction started???? Who is the construction company related to and what relatives of the politicians own property along the route????"

Maybe not soon, but power lines will start to appear...........

Quote:

Originally posted by PaulW
The SF link has some inaccuracies because a site from the mainland documented the purchase of many properties (Campos) along the coast that included some mentioned in the SF story. Those many properties were purchased by a one of the companies that C. Slim owns. That report was a result of examining tax filings in Ensenada and the reporting was accurate. The Slim purchases included properties in 3 different Ejidos that I am aware of.

The Inveravante property was previously owned by Pat Butler (of Eldorado Ranch fame) and Butler's agents have been working with Inveravante for govt approvals for many years. The major issues were approval for wells in the western canyons, marina. Waste treatment, CFE power, subdivision documentation, and probably many other issues I am not aware of. Even a casino was mentioned at one time. The Slim purchases occurred after the beginning of the Inveravante/Butler sales agreement. About a 3? year gap if I remember correctly.

BTW, It has been reported that large parcels south of the one being discussed are owned by family members of the previous president and that coincided with the federal approval to improve Hwy 5. When this became known many of the coastal properties came on the market and very few were sold until the Slim activity took place.
PW

Development is GOOD

MrBillM - 6-4-2014 at 09:26 AM

The more upscale the Development, the BETTER for the MOST people.

For those of us who have been traveling to (and living in) the area for many years (in my case 1966), it might be bittersweet, but we should look upon it as our good fortune to have had so many years when things were still more primitive and adventurous. What we considered adventure, the average Mexican likely found to be a lot of Drudgery.

That those who have the most money will benefit the most is a given. It's the way of a competitive society, but THAT tide WILL raise others, too.

steekers - 7-21-2015 at 04:20 PM

Update...I heard there was a payment plan worked out and Notarized to purchase Parcel 322 from Pat Butler (where the resort will be) for $4.3 million US. Also looks like the profit Butler will make goes directly to his long time lender Textron and Paladin (aka, Montezuma Simon LLC). The story is a little twisted.

elgatoloco - 7-21-2015 at 04:34 PM

Pat Butler and twisted story. No way. :saint:

steekers - 7-23-2015 at 09:51 PM

Another relevant posting from Mexican website:

http://www.diario-o.com/dof/2014/11/26/sct2a_26nov14.pdf

Miércoles 26 de noviembre de 2014 DIARIO OFICIAL (Segunda Sección) 1
SEGUNDA SECCION
PODER EJECUTIVO
SECRETARIA DE COMUNICACIONES Y TRANSPORTES
TÍTULO de Concesión otorgado en favor de la empresa Inveravante Crecentia, S.A. de C.V., para usar y aprovechar bienes de dominio público de la Federación, consistentes en una zona federal marítima de 1’120,581.91 metros cuadrados para la construcción, operación y explotación de una marina turística artificial, de uso particular, para embarcaciones de pesca, recreo y deportivas, ubicada en el Municipio de Ensenada, Estado de Baja California.

I have a small something to add......

Borregoman - 9-13-2015 at 03:41 PM

We built/own a home on a leased lot in Baja Santa Maria. Have been there for the past 10 years.

I've read all I can on the Marinazul Resort proposed development. I've been traveling Baja since 1975, seen all the flags planted, store fronts built only to fade away....BUT I think this project has legs...and soon water and power lines... it already has a new highway....

This year our landlady sends us an urgent email asking all her leasee's to attend a meeting on the beach this October 11th to discuss a very important topic. No indication of what the topic is....very strange. Anytime there is a rent raise or collection of city or federal taxes that is made very clear, this meeting was not. Also mentions that our garage roof needs repair at a tune of $2,000, hmmmm.

Now for second hand news....we have heard that our landlady is moving to Ensenada. One of the folks just down from us was offered the chance to "purchase" his lot and he took her up on it. HA! No way in hells acres can you purchase land that is a spit from the beach!

Speculation....I read in this forum that giant land parcels south of the proposed Marinazul Resort is owned by friends of the past president. I really have no idea if our landlady has any connections in this area, but I think she knows something we don't.....

I think is that she is trying to squeeze as much money out of the existing leasee's before moving to Ensenada because there is an immanent change in land ownership coming....

The October meeting should be interesting.

David K - 9-13-2015 at 03:56 PM

Please keep us inforned. Was on Shell Island 6 weeks ago, and it was as unchanged and perfect as it was when I first camped out there 37 years ago.

Sure change happens, and it has been a big part of my Baja life, along with Nuevo Mazatlan and Bahia Santa Maria in the 1960's and 70's. We even had a lot on the sand bar between the bay and back-bay/lagoon for a couple years leased from Sr. Madueña.

Thank you Borregoman!

steekers - 9-13-2015 at 04:24 PM

Borregoman & David: Was there a few weeks ago riding my Quad and there is a new graffiti painted on the block pillars about David. Did you see it when you were there David? I hope to be down there to attend your meeting Borregoman if you don't mind. Have friends at Playa Hermosa.

ehall - 9-13-2015 at 04:31 PM

Quote: Originally posted by steekers

Borregoman & David: Was there a few weeks ago riding my Quad and there is a new graffiti painted on the block pillars about David. Did you see it when you were there David? I hope to be down there to attend your meeting Borregoman if you don't mind. Have friends at Playa Hermosa.

Cmon, tease us but no pictures?