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captkw - 8-30-2014 at 05:02 AM

running a peice of sh-t panga makes them a CAPTAIN !! Don't Ya KNOW !! whats wrong with you fools...I have yet to meet a panga owner in mex/Baja that can/could be a captain!! Just mere boat/panga owners with NO training,,skills or SAR... :lol:

owning a Panga (sucks for a boat) for many years dosnt make you a captain...get a grip !! pass this up or shoot you land lover mouth off!! :bounce:

chuckie - 8-30-2014 at 05:45 AM

Off the meds again Cap?

Russ - 8-30-2014 at 05:45 AM

Me thinkx you got up on your troll side of the bed today

yellowklr - 8-30-2014 at 05:56 AM

Wont Obamacare cover your MEDS???? LOL

watizname - 8-30-2014 at 08:09 AM

Tioloco - 8-30-2014 at 08:21 AM

I wonder what the official certification program was like to be the CAPTAIN of the Nina, Pinta or Santa Maria...... I bet they had certificates and all the appropriate safety gear. Haha!

desertcpl - 8-30-2014 at 08:27 AM

good grief,, go back to bed

luv2fish - 8-30-2014 at 09:12 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by chuckie
Off the meds again Cap?

Capt. you have any more of that chiite ??

willardguy - 8-30-2014 at 09:46 AM

morning cappy!

pacificobob - 8-30-2014 at 10:54 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by captkw
running a peice of sh-t panga makes them a CAPTAIN !! Don't Ya KNOW !! whats wrong with you fools...I have yet to meet a panga owner in mex/Baja that can/could be a captain!! Just mere boat/panga owners with NO training,,skills or SAR... :lol:

owning a Panga (sucks for a boat) for many years dosnt make you a captain...get a grip !! pass this up or shoot you land lover mouth off!! :bounce:

land lover???? check your nautical terms again "captain"
landluhber
[land-luhb-er] Spell Syllables
Examples Word Origin
noun
1.
an unseasoned sailor or someone unfamiliar with the sea.

[Edited on 8-30-2014 by pacificobob]

vandenberg - 8-30-2014 at 01:12 PM

When I had my panga I always felt like a Captain.

Even my hat had MFIC printed on it.

woody with a view - 8-30-2014 at 01:51 PM

MFIC

classic!!!! :lol:

freediverbrian - 8-30-2014 at 05:08 PM

ATTENTION!!! mfic on the bridge :lol:

fixtrauma - 8-30-2014 at 09:57 PM

:lol:

That's good!

bajabuddha - 8-30-2014 at 10:56 PM

Quote:

owning a Panga (sucks for a boat) for many years dosnt make you a captain...get a grip !! pass this up or shoot you land lover mouth off!! :bounce:

I think somebody needs a hug!!! :lol:

willardguy - 8-31-2014 at 12:41 AM

"somebody" walks the walk!

Pescador - 8-31-2014 at 07:00 AM

With the grammar and spelling that I have seen I wonder how he could ever expect to pass a captains license.

Osprey - 8-31-2014 at 08:16 AM

Willard, you must be the Captain's soul MATE.

tripledigitken - 8-31-2014 at 08:29 AM

Somebody talks the talk.

Osprey - 8-31-2014 at 08:52 AM

Lots of my Mexican neighbors own pangas and have fed their families, put their kids through college by using pangas to fish the SOC. It takes hard work, common sense and an understanding of your surroundings. These hard working guys don't call themselves Captains -- over the decades they decided pangas were to be their boat of choice for lots of reasons. When I had the chance to buy one I did and it served me well for conditions in and around Palmas bay for over 15 years. I gave it to a deserving guy who needed it more than me and it now serves him and his family enough to make him economically stable in a very shaky market.

Cypress - 8-31-2014 at 11:30 AM

Captain? You can run a shrimp/fishing/crab etc. boat from now on and you might well be a pro, but if you don't have that license for how many tons etc. you'll never be a real captain. Oil field supply, crew boats, fishing, charter, on and on you've got to have the paper work to be able to take the wheel.

Tioloco - 8-31-2014 at 11:47 AM

I doubt many of the mexican panganeers give a sheet about an official title of captain that we have NOB. I don't see the importance on anything under say a 100 footer.

Cypress - 8-31-2014 at 12:07 PM

Yep.

jureal - 9-1-2014 at 09:10 AM

Out to sea in a panga...no sight of land...no instruments...not even a compass...but he always got us home directly....just pointed the bow and never needed to make a correction.

pacificobob - 9-1-2014 at 09:30 AM

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owning a Panga (sucks for a boat) for many years dosnt make you a captain...get a grip !! pass this up or shoot you land lover mouth off!! :bounce:

i feel your pain, as a retired pilot of big aircraft(747 md-11, dc10) i cringe a bit when single engine pilots refer to them selves as "captain" i worked long and hard for that title...that being said, i have yet to meet a pangero that referred to himself as captain.

[Edited on 9-1-2014 by pacificobob]

Tioloco - 9-1-2014 at 10:27 AM

Pacifico,
Don't know any guys with 182's that refer to selves as "captain"..... Nor do any small boat owners I know.
Maybe I just hang with a less pretentious crowd?

micah202 - 9-1-2014 at 10:33 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by jureal
Out to sea in a panga...no sight of land...no instruments...not even a compass...but he always got us home directly....just pointed the bow and never needed to make a correction.

...YES.....it's incredible the lengths that native fishers can go to provide for their families....and the only recognition they seem to occasionally get from us is when they get lost to the sea....''where's my sushi!?''

desertcpl - 9-1-2014 at 11:35 AM

I used to own a panga,, loved it

used it a lot,, mostly chasing Tuna out of San Diego

few trip to Bahia

never even thought of myself as being a Capitan

I was a good friend of a Tuna seiner Capitan,,

no way was I in his category

pacificobob - 9-1-2014 at 07:58 PM

there are several "captains' here!
105 capt. mike Member secret!! 11-26-2002 7967
230 Capt. George Member 8-21-2003 2131
310 captainbrent Member Belmont, CA 8-31-2003 1
477 beachcaptain Member E-Mail User Visit User's Homepage La Ribera, East Cape 10-19-2003 2
1232 captcamp Member manhattan beach ca 11-20-2004 0
2544 Tahoefirecapt Member 6-19-2006 3
3325 CaptRhino Member 10-10-2006 0
3485 captmuno Member E-Mail User California 11-13-2006 0
4236 captwoody Member 4-21-2007 0
4649 captaincharlie Member 7-19-2007 0
5564 captainkettel Member 12-18-2007 8
6493 Captain Member E-Mail User 4-15-2008 0
7858 captgorn Member 9-14-2008 5
12276 captn.scotty Member E-Mail User 7-22-2009 0
12866 captain4tuna Member Southern CA and BCS 9-3-2009 196
13798 captain.olives Member NorCal 11-13-2009 4
18252 captpays

Floatflyer - 9-2-2014 at 10:51 AM

Pacificbob: i feel your pain, as a retired pilot of big aircraft(747 md-11, dc10) i cringe a bit when single engine pilots refer to them selves as "captain" i worked long and hard for that title...that being said, i have yet to meet a pangero that referred to himself as captain.

I can certainly see your point of those that call themselves Captain, but after witnessing plenty of airline Captains exhibit questionable stick and rudder skills, I can also question their calling themselves pilots! Maybe systems managers would be more accurate. Thousands of hours on autopilot after receiving weather on a tablet or lap top, etc. as compared to some of the single engine flying done by many pilots is a similar comparison, IMO. Difficult to paint any group with a broad brush. :yes:

Retired pilot of single engine planes. (C-182, C-206, C-T210, C-185, owned and operated)

mtgoat666 - 9-2-2014 at 11:09 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Floatflyer
Pacificbob: i feel your pain, as a retired pilot of big aircraft(747 md-11, dc10) i cringe a bit when single engine pilots refer to them selves as "captain" i worked long and hard for that title...that being said, i have yet to meet a pangero that referred to himself as captain.

I can certainly see your point of those that call themselves Captain, but after witnessing plenty of airline Captains exhibit questionable stick and rudder skills, I can also question their calling themselves pilots! Maybe systems managers would be more accurate. Thousands of hours on autopilot after receiving weather on a tablet or lap top, etc. as compared to some of the single engine flying done by many pilots is a similar comparison, IMO. Difficult to paint any group with a broad brush. :yes:

Retired pilot of single engine planes. (C-182, C-206, C-T210, C-185, owned and operated)

my commercial airline pilot friends refer to themselves as "bus driver" :lol:

willardguy - 9-2-2014 at 11:20 AM

plenty of posers masquerading as captains! always look for the scrambled eggs on the visor :lol:

ElCap - 9-2-2014 at 12:51 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by pacificobob
there are several "captains' here!
105 capt. mike Member secret!! 11-26-2002 7967
230 Capt. George Member 8-21-2003 2131
310 captainbrent Member Belmont, CA 8-31-2003 1
477 beachcaptain Member E-Mail User Visit User's Homepage La Ribera, East Cape 10-19-2003 2
1232 captcamp Member manhattan beach ca 11-20-2004 0
2544 Tahoefirecapt Member 6-19-2006 3
3325 CaptRhino Member 10-10-2006 0
3485 captmuno Member E-Mail User California 11-13-2006 0
4236 captwoody Member 4-21-2007 0
4649 captaincharlie Member 7-19-2007 0
5564 captainkettel Member 12-18-2007 8
6493 Captain Member E-Mail User 4-15-2008 0
7858 captgorn Member 9-14-2008 5
12276 captn.scotty Member E-Mail User 7-22-2009 0
12866 captain4tuna Member Southern CA and BCS 9-3-2009 196
13798 captain.olives Member NorCal 11-13-2009 4
18252 captpays

Hey, you forgot me! Guess you didn't use the spanish translator :cool:

mtgoat666 - 9-2-2014 at 04:33 PM

my favorite captains:

[Edited on 9-2-2014 by mtgoat666]

[Edited on 9-2-2014 by mtgoat666]

watizname - 9-2-2014 at 05:08 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by mtgoat666
my favorite captains:

[Edited on 9-2-2014 by mtgoat666]

JANEWAY?????? REALLY????????

[Edited on 9-2-2014 by mtgoat666]

mtgoat666 - 9-2-2014 at 05:14 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by watizname
JANEWAY?????? REALLY????????

she was on janeway's ship,... best episodes ever:

walters886 - 9-2-2014 at 07:02 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by vandenberg
When I had my panga I always felt like a Captain.

Even my hat had MFIC printed on it.

Malaysian Furniture Industry Council? :lol:

watizname - 9-2-2014 at 09:45 PM

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Originally posted by mtgoat666

Quote:

Originally posted by watizname
JANEWAY?????? REALLY????????

she was on janeway's ship,... best episodes ever:

On second thought-----------

dtbushpilot - 9-2-2014 at 09:53 PM

Anyone else noticed that captkw is nowhere to be found? Maybe the joke is on us. :?:

WOO ROO !!

captkw - 9-2-2014 at 09:57 PM

Say What ?? Just been working 8 Days a week and your timing and mine is Insane!!! Hi/HOLA ROBERT !!! by like one min. of my posting,,,,,CRAZY !!!

10 pages- is my guess

bigmike58 - 9-3-2014 at 06:58 AM

I tend to agree with the Capt. on panga's in general (he's on his own for the Capt. rant). The panga's I've been in seem to be,

10. Crudely built
9. Rock and roll- too narrow
8. Ride crappy- too light
7. Lean way too much when gaffing with two peeps on one side.
6. Uncomfortable to fish or ride in.
5. Lack of storage
4. No electronics
3. No potty for the girls
2. Lack shade

and my number one reason,

1. Panga's are just flat out Butt Azz Ugly!

But, on the plus side, they take a beating, never need a wash or wax and get good fuel mpg. They are the "Yugo's of the Sea "

Oh Yeah, They are also great for carrying large loads and are highly recommended by 9 out of 10 Somali Pirates.

shari - 9-3-2014 at 07:30 AM

well I beg to differ on several points....of course there are several varieties of panga designs, many of which are very very stable, wider, higher free board etc. and I think they are beautiful...of course that is in the eye of the beholder. When choosing a boat, one must take into consideration the conditions and local area such as lack of docks and easy launching like in Asuncion. Big deep V hulled sport fishers are very difficult to get in and out of the water.

I was a panga convert before I lived in Baja when the natives in Tofino (on the west coast of Vancouver Island) got a couple. This area is known for it's bad weather, huge open ocean seas and wind. The pangas performed better than any other vessel and are very popular there now.

The panga can be beached safely and pushed on and off beaches like no other boat. Any 23' boat that can hold 10 overweight whale watchers and still get onto a plane with a 40 hsp outboard is a good design in my books. I have seen 8 people leaning way over to feel up a whale and the panga stayed upright!
One simply has to build in what you require for electronics, we have fish finder, gps and radio on ours...Ladies can pee in a bucket just fine.

A side note as well...the lancheros that operate the whale watching pangas have to take a course and test and have a license of some sort to run them.

While some panga fishermen may not have captain's tickets, I would trust them with my life over some gringo captain any day...local knowledge, experience and history go a long way in understanding and being safe in the sea in your barrio.

Viva las pangas!

[Edited on 9-3-2014 by shari]

mulegemichael - 9-3-2014 at 07:53 AM

with ya all the way on this one, shari!.....our "purple haze" 28 foot panga in mulege is the smoothest, most comfortable boat we have ever owned, and we've had a few of them...and it draws about a foot of water which is perfect for launching on the river.....viva la pangas!!!

OH MYYY!!!

captkw - 9-3-2014 at 08:49 AM

:rolleyes:

....BTW Mac & mary from marina de la paz are GREAT folks.. if you know crap about Panga'S (slappers)

[Edited on 9-3-2014 by captkw]

Pescador - 9-4-2014 at 08:04 AM

I find it amazing to hear negative comments about pangas since there are so many different types and designs but all have been the workhorse in the Sea of Cortez for many, many years. One of the most popular designs was from ARCA which was started by Max Shoyer from La Paz who imported a builder and family from the mainland who had a lot of experience with boats specifically designed for the Sea of Cortez. That builder was Lupe Diaz who built those boats in La Paz up until they got embroiled in a labor dispute with help which caused the ARCO factory to shut down. Before shutting down you saw thousands of those boats up and down the coast and they were considered to be the best riding, safest, and most economical design available. They ran well with a 40-50 hp Yamaha Enduro and because of the design, did not create much drag in the water.

This is perhaps where they got the reputation as being rough riding, because they did not have electric trim and because of that, they were normally seen slapping the next wave in front of them. More a problem of trim, than design of the boat. When trim became available, most of that went away.

Lupe moved his shop to Los Barrilles and started up new molds in his shop with everything he had learned from building Arcas. The new panga was wider, had a different deadrise and was in many ways superior to the old Arca boats. Most of the pangueros chose to upgrade to the new panga and the used market had a lot of Arcas. Because of demand, he then developed the super panga which was larger and available in a lot of different lengths, but the 23 ruled the seas and was considered to be the best of the best. A lot of Gringos got in the act and started having Super Pangas built with center consoles, railings, t-tops and the like. Those are the boats still favored by Gordo's Pangas in Cabo.
Now, as far as the Sea of Cortez is concerned, the favorite boat is a Reformania which is built in Enpalme over by Guaymas on the mainland. Some of the layups almost equal vacuum bagged boats from US makers.
I must admit to liking some of the creature comforts on my boat, but at 21.5 feet, I need a 150 hp Yamaha to push it correctly, while I have a good friend who has a rebuilt Arca with a 75 hp Honda. When we go to Tortuga, which is a good 25 miles offshore, we travel together and while I burn 12-15 gallons of gas, he sips somewhere in the 4-5 gallons. Because he understands trim the boat does not pound and he manages the same speed as I do in my Triumph. I get real crowded if I have over three on board and he manages three just fine. He has installed comfortable seats. Probably the only thing that is different is that he does not let all three of those big boys hang on the side for gaffing or releasing a big fish.
I have spent many hours in a panga getting banged around and not having a comfortable seat, but that is not a fault of the panga, it is how someone set the boat up. The hull does its job very effectively and efficiently.

Slappers

captkw - 9-4-2014 at 08:50 AM

Hola,,I know mary, mac and Neal myself and are truly Great folks !!! Vega, Volkswagons and Vespa's got the job done !! same as a Panga..it will get the job done !! But that does not in any manner make it the boat of Choice if you know much about boats...Myself am tired of gringos coming down and thinking that would be a good boat to purchase.... Its a Wagon Wheel mential thing...bob & jose have one. I will do what they do !! same with fishing.. see it ALL the time !! main thing over all is having a fun (safe) time out there !! Tight lines and take a ride in some other boats and you wont be thinking Panga !!!!! :cool:

PS...A guy named "tapedeck" wrote the maker of my boat and changed a little of the deck layout as he asked!! WOW...once you ride in a Cat there is no looking back !!!

[Edited on 9-4-2014 by captkw]

luv2fish - 9-4-2014 at 03:28 PM

http://forums.bajanomad.com/viewthread.php?tid=37200

Hola luv2fish

captkw - 9-4-2014 at 06:35 PM

And great post there.. the yanmar D18,D27,D36 and D40 are still being made and are rock solid and talk about range !! I dont know why they havnt caught on...And myself have only seen one and have never worked on a diesel outboard !! Yanmar has the market on these types of motors and I myself as a boat guy would love to run/test one !!! K&T

To A TheBajaKid

captkw - 9-4-2014 at 08:44 PM

your "utu's" show Me that you know very,,,Very Little about boats....BTW....this is what I do !! I Know most folks come to BAJA and think they know the lay of the the land and read "Baja catch" and think they really know __it !! So ,PLEASE ask my advise or F-OFF....Get my Drift !!! AS A PRO TECH/aka MASTER MARINE MECHANIC with more NAT. miles under my belt with lots of SAR INCEnDENTS & understand almost all folks don't..... a wannabee boat owner that has NO clue about the real storey!!!! I'm here to HELP fellows boaters and YOU are not ONE !!!! :?:

[Edited on 9-5-2014 by captkw]

Skipjack Joe - 9-4-2014 at 10:50 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Tioloco
I wonder what the official certification program was like to be the CAPTAIN of the Nina, Pinta or Santa Maria...... I bet they had certificates and all the appropriate safety gear. Haha!

On the other hand - he was lost. And hit the mother lode.

You couldn't get greater odds in Vegas.

mtgoat666 - 9-4-2014 at 11:00 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by captkw
your "utu's" show Me that you know very,,,Very Little about boats....BTW....this is what I do !! I Know most folks come to BAJA and think they know the lay of the the land and read "Baja catch" and think they really know __it !! So ,PLEASE ask my advise or F-OFF....Get my Drift !!! AS A PRO TECH/aka MASTER MARINE MECHANIC with more NAT. miles under my belt with lots of SAR INCEnDENTS & understand almost all folks don't..... a wannabee boat owner that has NO clue about the real storey!!!! I'm here to HELP fellows boaters and YOU are not ONE !!!! :?:

[Edited on 9-5-2014 by captkw]

Sounds like you think pretty highly of yourself and you think everybody should think so too, eh?

chuckie - 9-5-2014 at 07:12 AM

Blowhard.....

desertcpl - 9-5-2014 at 08:47 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by chuckie
Blowhard.....

really,,, old saying,, wish I could buy him for what he is worth
and sell him for what he thinks he is worth

[Edited on 9-5-2014 by desertcpl]

Ateo - 9-5-2014 at 09:11 AM

Next he'll say the tacos in Baja suck.

bajaguy - 9-5-2014 at 09:28 AM

I think it would come out as "The tires in Baja are stuck"

Quote:

Originally posted by Ateo
Next he'll say the tacos in Baja suck.

OOPS LO SEINTO

captkw - 9-5-2014 at 10:15 AM

That last post from me was at a very late bad time for me !! a older friend (76) is now up to morphine every two hrs and I do not know how to deal with Death !! excuse me !! I do know Boats rather well and folks wait to pay me 95 hr for my boat skills and can say that pangas are SOOO over rated !! Guess WHAT !! So are BOSTON WHALERS...So,,,,put that in your pipe and smoke it !!! BTW I have had many nomads u2u me about their outboard problems and have gone WAY outta my way to help them...so b-tch all you want ..But you cant fix STUPID.... a PANGA is a workhorse and that's all it is....you don't see a the navy,,CC,harbor patrol and such using them ....Now do you ???

watizname - 9-5-2014 at 10:43 AM

Nothing wrong with a workhorse. What else would you use to go to work. You don't use a Bentley if you need a pickup truck. :coolup:

SFandH - 9-5-2014 at 10:52 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by captkw
BTW I have had many nomads u2u me about their outboard problems and have gone WAY outta my way to help them...

That's true, we swapped several emails and I appreciate the free help.

mtgoat666 - 9-5-2014 at 10:58 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by captkw
That last post from me was at a very late bad time for me !! a older friend (76) is now up to morphine every two hrs and I do not know how to deal with Death !! excuse me !! I do know Boats rather well and folks wait to pay me 95 hr for my boat skills and can say that pangas are SOOO over rated !! Guess WHAT !! So are BOSTON WHALERS...So,,,,put that in your pipe and smoke it !!! BTW I have had many nomads u2u me about their outboard problems and have gone WAY outta my way to help them...so b-tch all you want ..But you cant fix STUPID.... a PANGA is a workhorse and that's all it is....you don't see a the navy,,CC,harbor patrol and such using them ....Now do you ???

ok, what utilitarian work boat is better than a panga? what does the "expert" recommend as better than a panga for a low maintenance light weight workhorse?

why are the boat choices of the navy, cg and harbor patrol relevant? should we all buy armored boats with gun mounts for an afternoon of recreational fishing?

luv2fish - 9-5-2014 at 11:01 AM

What ya think bout Parkers ???

mtgoat666 - 9-5-2014 at 11:02 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by captkw
a PANGA is a workhorse and that's all it is....you don't see a the navy,,CC,harbor patrol and such using them ....Now do you ???

after considering what the capt said, i think we should all buy this for our next fishing skiff:

better invite a few friends to chip in $$ for fuel!

shari - 9-5-2014 at 11:02 AM

very sorry to hear about your friend's last journey...may it be a smooth one

Cypress - 9-5-2014 at 11:19 AM

You see a few pangas down along the LA/MS coast, most of 'em are bay/inshore boats. They're made light, not much glass, keeps the weight down. Doesn't take much power to push 'em. Be pretty wet and rough in open water. The ones in use down in Baja seem to be deeper and heavier.

willardguy - 9-5-2014 at 11:32 AM

I guess you would have to fill the floor with foam to give it positive flotation to be legal up there?

Jack Swords - 9-5-2014 at 01:12 PM

Actually, the Navy commonly comes into Marina de la Paz patrolling in a panga. Also it is common to see the Navy guys in a panga patrolling the bay, don't know how far out they go.

vandenberg - 9-5-2014 at 04:43 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by luv2fish
What ya think bout Parkers ???

Buddy had a Parker with a Volvo diesel and outdrive.
Been on lots of boats and this was one of my favorites.
Dependable, with lots of room, but not quite affordable for most folks.

Pescador - 9-6-2014 at 07:32 AM

Ol' Cappy really outdid himself on this one. I can overlook the bad grammar and spelling inability, but when you only have a couple of brain cells functioning, it is not recommended that you take them out in public and play with them. Kinda like "mental masturbation" only worse.

Only guessing here, but someone who he thought should take his knowledge seriously must have gone out and bought a panga. 10,000 Mexicans can not be wrong, there must be something very useful about these boats. I have a dozen friends who are extremely happy with their Diaz Super Pangas and could have bought anything they wanted but had a lot of experience in these waters in all kinds of conditions and they opted to own one of those "Terrible Boats" as the cappy called them. I hope he is not stupid enough to try to tell that to the owners of those aforementioned boats. It might be cappy (no capitals) with a very flat nose.

mulegemichael - 9-6-2014 at 09:37 AM

yes jim; diaz was the manufacturer of our boat and it is the most stable, reliable boat i have ever, ever owned...also the "driest" boat in rough water.

luv2fish - 9-6-2014 at 10:28 AM

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Originally posted by Pescador
Ol' Cappy Kinda like "mental masturbation" only worse.

So would it be safe to say cappy is flogging the cerebral cortex ? rather than the bishop. :lol:

are you saying cappy is a mental midget ??

Osprey - 9-6-2014 at 10:47 AM

"Captain", you have stirred the pot well. Now might be a great time for you to PUT UP OR SHUT UP. You are cordially invited to hold boating/power/seamanship, etc. lectures, up and down the Baja in various small meeting places to set us straight. You said "You can't fix stupid" but you can fix "Being uninformed or having false data".

Timing is perfect because with the $5K in your pocket for the last week's work, you won't have to charge much for the lectures. The forum is a way for you to communicate all you know to all who wish to know, not just one at a time, hit and miss. We can all find out what is the perfect boat/motor/equipment for the area we fish, who or what is aboard, how it operates, etc. etc.

Maybe after a circuit or two, the owner/moderator would allow you your own forum category and you could use that to let the world know all about your super-human knowledge and skills we all marvel at now.

Don't forget to pencil in some important pesos for the kid who will handle the telepromter/messaging business, the sound system and the whiteboard you'll need for the lectures.

mtgoat666 - 9-6-2014 at 11:09 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Pescador
Ol' Cappy really outdid himself on this one. I can overlook the bad grammar and spelling inability, but when you only have a couple of brain cells functioning, it is not recommended that you take them out in public and play with them. Kinda like "mental masturbation" only worse.

Only guessing here, but someone who he thought should take his knowledge seriously must have gone out and bought a panga. 10,000 Mexicans can not be wrong, there must be something very useful about these boats. I have a dozen friends who are extremely happy with their Diaz Super Pangas and could have bought anything they wanted but had a lot of experience in these waters in all kinds of conditions and they opted to own one of those "Terrible Boats" as the cappy called them. I hope he is not stupid enough to try to tell that to the owners of those aforementioned boats. It might be cappy (no capitals) with a very flat nose.

Capt crunch dissed the pangas, and did not tell us what boat is better.
He dissed the boston whaler and could not tell us what similar boat is better.
Capt Kangaroo doesn't know squat! But he sure has a lot of hot air, more than enough to provide floatation for whatever unseaworthy boat he owns.

acadist - 9-6-2014 at 09:03 PM

Moral of the thread:
If you can't say something nice don't say anything at all :light:

LancairDriver - 9-7-2014 at 03:11 PM

Here is a good place to try out your super panga.

http://www.youtube.com/embed/ByGSMmenPDM?rel=0

monoloco - 9-7-2014 at 04:03 PM

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Originally posted by LancairDriver
Here is a good place to try out your super panga.

http://www.youtube.com/embed/ByGSMmenPDM?rel=0

That's nutz!

bigmike58 - 9-8-2014 at 08:22 PM

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Originally posted by Osprey
We can all find out what is the perfect boat/motor/equipment for the area we fish, who or what is aboard, how it operates, etc. etc.

Really? The perfect boat is one that you can afford to own and properly maintain.

Just because a panga is cheap to own does not make it an overall good boat. Most do not have floatation, Most have cheap wood lightly covered with glass that rots in 5-10 years, There are a lot of choices out there that get better mileage and are safer.

Yugoslavians drive Yugo's.... That does not make a Yugo a "great" car..LOL

Osprey - 9-9-2014 at 09:41 AM

You made my point exactly. What's good for the goose is not necessarily good for the gooser. My panga was for fishing, was just right for the kind of fishing I did here and that's where I used it. Might not be the best thing for Mulege.

BTW my boat was a 1989 and it still sits in the sun all day, fishes most days and is going strong. Not a lot of expense to maintain; fiber patches, resin and sand, some Mexican Gelcoat and you got a like new boat. Floatation: unsinkable, with air chambers all over the hull, in the bow and in the stern where the tillerman sits.

It's not a great boat for everywhere or everybody but it sure worked well here for me.

chuckie - 9-9-2014 at 05:29 PM

Then, thats the one....

Pescador - 9-10-2014 at 07:54 AM

Does that mean it is Politically Incorrect to badmouth a Panga? I think the United Panga Owners may just be staging a protest at the launch ramp, so you guys with the big motors, catamaran hulls, and (gasp) on board potties, better watch out.

For the most part I could care less what someone decides is the right boat for them, but I do have a problem when someone chooses to denigrate the boats that others have chosen for themselves. A boat is nothing more than a tool to get a job done for the owner and each option has things that are good as well as bad. The cappy only got a response because he set himself up as the expert to end all experts on choosing boats and it is much more complicated than that.

Osprey had a great boat and it is still going strong when he donated it to a Mexican fisherman who had lost his boat and livelihood by a theft. There are many issues only touched on here:
How easy is it to launch.
Is the operation within my financial parameters
Can I maintain and keep the boat functional.
Can I afford to purchase and use?
How many people do I usually carry?
Is it within my safety requirements?
Does it bring me pleasure to use?
Can I impress my friends by using this boat?
:no:

Will the girls want to ride on my boat?
Does it catch fish?
Can I drag it home, park it in the driveway, and forget about it till next time.

We could go on forever here, but the message is the same. It is a personal thing and there is no right or wrong. It has taken me years to find a boat that matches enough of my criteria to work for me and hopefully I will get a few more chances to try a few more boats before I die.

Osprey - 9-10-2014 at 08:36 AM

My boat will hold a shipload of cocaine but I mostly just used it for fishing.

BajaGringo - 9-10-2014 at 08:39 AM

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Originally posted by Osprey
My boat will hold a shipload of cocaine but I mostly just used it for fishing.

And thanks Pescador, you summed up my sentiments perfectly...

larryC - 9-11-2014 at 08:00 AM

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owning a Panga (sucks for a boat) for many years dosnt make you a captain...get a grip !! pass this up or shoot you land lover mouth off!! :bounce:

After reading this several time I think what captkilowatt is most upset about are the owners/operators of pangas not following the rules of the road on the water. What happened capt did someone not give you the right of way?

LarryC

captkw - 9-12-2014 at 09:41 PM

Hola.... yes,, YOUR correct..There are "Rules OF The Road" anything from "SOLAS" to CFR'S" And on any size Vessel's a good/sharp "look out" is a must !!.........lets GET REAL !! a Panga is a ......? there is / are much better boats for the "Del Mar Cortez" that said...I have not Heard anyone here say their thoughts on this subject... If anyone here Knows of A GOOD boat for BAJA over ALL (No slip boat) lets Hear your thoughts on the matter,,,Just b-tchin and nonsense!! Been busy And offline with boat work so I am late to Topic....K &T..Peice,Love & Fish Tacos

dtbushpilot - 9-12-2014 at 10:25 PM

"You're"...

monoloco - 9-13-2014 at 06:00 AM

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Originally posted by captkw
Hola.... yes,, YOUR correct..There are "Rules OF The Road" anything from "SOLAS" to CFR'S" And on any size Vessel's a good/sharp "look out" is a must !!.........lets GET REAL !! a Panga is a ......? there is / are much better boats for the "Del Mar Cortez" that said...I have not Heard anyone here say their thoughts on this subject... If anyone here Knows of A GOOD boat for BAJA over ALL (No slip boat) lets Hear your thoughts on the matter,,,Just b-tchin and nonsense!! Been busy And offline with boat work so I am late to Topic....K &T..Peice,Love & Fish Tacos

Sure, there are much better boats, but which one can you buy for the price of a panga?

bigmike58 - 9-13-2014 at 07:39 AM

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Sure, there are much better boats, but which one can you buy for the price of a panga?

Would you like to rephrase that? LOL

That is exactly the point... you get what you pay for!

Cheap=bare bones, no frills.

monoloco - 9-13-2014 at 08:36 AM

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Originally posted by bigmike58
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Sure, there are much better boats, but which one can you buy for the price of a panga?

Would you like to rephrase that? LOL

That is exactly the point... you get what you pay for!

Cheap=bare bones, no frills.

When it comes to a durable bare bones skiff that can be dragged up on a beach there really aren't any better choices than a panga. At least I haven't found one. Comparing a panga to a fancy trailer boat is like comparing apples to oranges. Now a super panga is a different animal all together.

EdwardTeach - 9-24-2014 at 08:54 PM

Do Mexican fishermen still whistle into their radios to get their buddy's attention?

Panga

captkw - 9-24-2014 at 10:54 PM

Hola,,Yes they are a backbone of the co-ops fleet !! Thanks MACK from La PaZ !!! Are there better Boats ?????

DaliDali - 9-25-2014 at 09:02 AM

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Originally posted by captkw
Hola,,Yes they are a backbone of the co-ops fleet !! Thanks MACK from La PaZ !!! Are there better Boats ?????

How much money you got?

A Parker deep V (for example only) is a nice boat....but most don't want to spend $60K.

Does a panga ride good in the slop?...No
Does a panga have all the bells and whistles gringo style? No.
The more "systems" the more goes wrong.
A Parker deep V needs 200+ HP......a panga a 75.
Will a panga go 40MPH?...No
Will a panga with a 75HP suck 1.5 GPH?.....No.
Can a panga handle 2 guys, bait tank and gear ok?...of course.
Are they "fishable", absolutely.
Parts?...what freakin parts....it's fiberglass and paint.
Ready repairs?....in every town that is near the Sea.
Ding the bow?....cry about it with a Parker and keep going with a panga.
Single axle trailer with a panga?..absolutely.
Brakes on that trailer?.....say what?
Lights don't work on that trailer?....say what?

Bottom line if one needs plush, fast, lots of systems and love fuel, a deep V Parker (for example) is the way to go.
Turn that 180 according to one's needs, a panga fits the mold.

MX pangueros are "guides".....Captain is for yachties in white pants and brown leather deck shoes.

panga and captains

captkw - 9-25-2014 at 10:12 AM

DaliDali...Great post till that last line !! A capt is someone who has took the time and with experience to really understand his boat/ship and crew and the CFR'S and other training skills (MOB,,SOLAS) that never stops !! and has foresight into sea and boat conditions..has a good judgement call on conditions and possible outcomes of what ifs befall a vessel.....comms,weather,Anticapated weather,fuel,beer & bait,food and a host of items..white pants ...argh !!!...

DaliDali - 9-25-2014 at 03:41 PM

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Originally posted by captkw
DaliDali...Great post till that last line !! A capt is someone who has took the time and with experience to really understand his boat/ship and crew and the CFR'S and other training skills (MOB,,SOLAS) that never stops !! and has foresight into sea and boat conditions..has a good judgement call on conditions and possible outcomes of what ifs befall a vessel.....comms,weather,Anticapated weather,fuel,beer & bait,food and a host of items..white pants ...argh !!!...

Good response until the first sentence.

Valid if your talking about San Diego and beyond, but not worth the time it took you to write that in Baja.

A lifetime on the water and having learned the ropes from his father on down, means much more to me than some parchment paper inked in fancy lettering with gold gilded seals.

You can stick with your captains....I will go with the local lifetime knowledge every time.

luv2fish - 9-25-2014 at 08:20 PM

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Originally posted by dtbushpilot
"You're"...

Grammar gestapo ???? :?:

chuckie - 9-26-2014 at 01:56 PM

yall are

chuckie - 9-26-2014 at 03:31 PM

Good post SP....sometimes we all get a bit too elelist...(sp)

bigmike58 - 9-26-2014 at 08:29 PM

Elitist? why,

Because we launch our boat with a trailer?

or because we take it home and wash it?

or is it because we don't need to drag our boat onto a beach and park it there?

Now we are an elitist because we buy and use boats the way it suits us the best?

If I had to drag my boat and beach it daily and also leave it unattended overnight.. I might buy a panga ..... but since I don't , I'll keep fishing from something that is more comfortable, functional, rides great is good looking and fast.. oh yeah,,, the most important thing, a pottie for the boss!

[Edited on 9-27-2014 by bigmike58]

LOL...LOL !!

captkw - 9-26-2014 at 08:33 PM

Any safe time on the WATER is A GOOD TIME !!! Regardless of ANYTHING !!!!

bigmike58 - 9-26-2014 at 08:50 PM

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Originally posted by captkw
Any safe time on the WATER is A GOOD TIME !!! Regardless of ANYTHING !!!!

Don't start wussing out and back peddling now!!!

I predicted this thread would go 10 pages, start drinking and typing Captkw..... :tumble:

EdwardTeach - 9-26-2014 at 09:09 PM

Meh. If it can't pull doors, I ain't interested.

[Edited on 27-9-2014 by EdwardTeach]

bigmike58 - 9-27-2014 at 08:08 AM

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Originally posted by EdwardTeach
Meh. If it can't pull doors, I ain't interested.

[Edited on 27-9-2014 by EdwardTeach]

Here's a good start at drunk posting :lol:

EdwardTeach - 9-28-2014 at 12:13 PM

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Originally posted by bigmike58

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Originally posted by EdwardTeach
Meh. If it can't pull doors, I ain't interested.

Here's a good start at drunk posting :lol:

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