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Mision Santa Maria

TeamDonde - 1-1-2015 at 04:20 PM

Just a quick note to all the nomads. Mision Santa Maria is currently accessible. We just returned from an attempt to see the Mision that ended .7 miles short. More detail and pix to come.

David K - 1-1-2015 at 06:38 PM

Looking forward to your report on perhaps my favorite mission site!

What do you mean by "ended .7 miles short"? You had to walk from the bog to the missions?

Here's some photos of us Nomads going there on the epic 2010 trip: http://vivabaja.com/msm2010



TeamDonde - 1-1-2015 at 06:41 PM

I can't get my post to go up. Tried several times. Maybe its the a-s-s word issue? In reading around that was fixed no?

TeamDonde - 1-1-2015 at 07:16 PM






TeamDonde - 1-1-2015 at 07:19 PM






TeamDonde - 1-1-2015 at 07:21 PM

View to the Sea of Cortez







TeamDonde - 1-1-2015 at 07:24 PM






David K - 1-1-2015 at 07:25 PM

So beautiful in there!

TeamDonde - 1-1-2015 at 07:38 PM

The bottom of the widowmaker



Here is the end of the marsh area. That is really tight and was a no go for the full size truck. Otherwise its easily passible.


Barry A. - 1-1-2015 at 11:23 PM

Great pictures of one of the true gem-areas of Baja CA.

Many thanks, TeamDonde

Barry

David K - 1-2-2015 at 08:09 AM

Quote: Originally posted by TeamDonde  
I can't get my post to go up. Tried several times. Maybe its the a-s-s word issue? In reading around that was fixed no?


Right, that is not an issue with getting things to post, only accent marks and other uncommon symbols in text prevent posting, at the moment.

>>> There is something in the format of your Word file that just isn't allowing the text to be pasted here... I will send it to Doug (BajaNomad) and see if he can figure out what it is.

I gather there were three vehicles, a Jeep Rubicon, an FJ Cruiser with A-TRAC, and a truck of some kind (that couldn't pass between the palms in the bog/ march)?





TeamDonde - 1-2-2015 at 08:23 AM

Hopefully Doug figures it out so the rest of the story can be told.

We were in my Unlimited Rubicon, FJ with 33" tires, and a 4 door Raptor. That truck is really wide and it would have been very sketchy in the bog area. U impressed with the FJ. The electronic traction control works great. It's a excellent Baja expedition vehicle.

David K - 1-2-2015 at 08:28 AM

Quote: Originally posted by TeamDonde  
Hopefully Doug figures it out so the rest of the story can be told.

We were in my Unlimited Rubicon, FJ with 33" tires, and a 4 door Raptor. That truck is really wide and it would have been very sketchy in the bog area. U impressed with the FJ. The electronic traction control works great. It's a excellent Baja expedition vehicle.


Right! I have the Toyota Tacoma and used A-TRAC all the way in there and out and never touched the Rear Locker (as I had on the previous two Tacomas going in there). A-TRAC is amazing!

Cameron Steele got withing sight of the mission in his 4 door Raptor last Spring, but the steep gully stopped him. Full size trucks just are a bit big to not get some rock or tree damage.

Try sending me the Word doc as an email attachment and not through Drop Box. I will keep trying, but I also sent it to Doug... as we just saw this morning he is in Baja on vacation.

Barry A. - 1-2-2015 at 01:37 PM

Quote: Originally posted by David K  
Quote: Originally posted by TeamDonde  
Hopefully Doug figures it out so the rest of the story can be told.

We were in my Unlimited Rubicon, FJ with 33" tires, and a 4 door Raptor. That truck is really wide and it would have been very sketchy in the bog area. U impressed with the FJ. The electronic traction control works great. It's a excellent Baja expedition vehicle.


Right! I have the Toyota Tacoma and used A-TRAC all the way in there and out and never touched the Rear Locker (as I had on the previous two Tacomas going in there). A-TRAC is amazing!

Cameron Steele got withing sight of the mission in his 4 door Raptor last Spring, but the steep gully stopped him. Full size trucks just are a bit big to not get some rock or tree damage.

Try sending me the Word doc as an email attachment and not through Drop Box. I will keep trying, but I also sent it to Doug... as we just saw this morning he is in Baja on vacation.


Yet Art made it in to the Mission in his off-road mini-motor -home------surely the Raptor is not wider than Art's vehicle?

Barry

David K - 1-2-2015 at 02:07 PM

Quote: Originally posted by Barry A.  
Quote: Originally posted by David K  
Quote: Originally posted by TeamDonde  
Hopefully Doug figures it out so the rest of the story can be told.

We were in my Unlimited Rubicon, FJ with 33" tires, and a 4 door Raptor. That truck is really wide and it would have been very sketchy in the bog area. U impressed with the FJ. The electronic traction control works great. It's a excellent Baja expedition vehicle.


Right! I have the Toyota Tacoma and used A-TRAC all the way in there and out and never touched the Rear Locker (as I had on the previous two Tacomas going in there). A-TRAC is amazing!

Cameron Steele got withing sight of the mission in his 4 door Raptor last Spring, but the steep gully stopped him. Full size trucks just are a bit big to not get some rock or tree damage.

Try sending me the Word doc as an email attachment and not through Drop Box. I will keep trying, but I also sent it to Doug... as we just saw this morning he is in Baja on vacation.


Yet Art made it in to the Mission in his off-road mini-motor -home------surely the Raptor is not wider than Art's vehicle?

Barry


Art's 4WD van was amazing, and he had front and rear ARB lockers, as well (and used them)... He was not afraid to dent or bang anything with that beast... and like me, he also caught his rear bumper on the steep dip before the mission.

The difference I am sure is these folks with a $60,000 (?) Raptor were not as anxious to have body damage.

TeamDonde - 1-2-2015 at 02:11 PM

That's what it boiled down to.

I have some video of driving through the big that I will try to post later.

Barry A. - 1-2-2015 at 02:15 PM

Hmmmmm, OK David, you are probably correct about damaging their Raptor.

I wish my kid felt the same way------he has already banged up the body of HIS Raptor a couple of times-----and it does not seem to bother him much. Go figure!!! Different strokes for different folks, for sure!! Me, I would walk in too. :yes:

Barry

Barry A. - 1-2-2015 at 02:18 PM

Hmmmmm, OK David, you are probably correct about damaging their Raptor.

I wish my kid felt the same way------he has already banged up the body of HIS Raptor a couple of times-----and it does not seem to bother him much. Go figure!!! Different strokes for different folks, for sure!! Me, I would walk in too. :yes:

Barry

David K - 1-2-2015 at 02:28 PM

Well, it is a truck... and like me, it wasn't bought for trips to the mall!

I am sure we don't intentionally try and dent or damage our trucks, but we do buy 4WD Off Road vehicles to get us into these special places... and the dents under my Tacoma are badges of honor from Mission Santa Maria! I did replace my rear bumper ($50 for used one) as there was no way to straighten the chrome thing back to original position.

We were all having a grand time!









This was after I pushed it back... it was sticking straight back almost!

You will see both Art's and mine are on the driver's side... same rock ledge grabbed the bumpers as we drove off it.

Barry A. - 1-2-2015 at 02:37 PM

There is a cure for that-----------find a BIG rock, or a sturdy palm tree, and back into it until the bent bumper is sorta back in place------------done it many times, and works pretty good.
:lol:

Barry

TeamDonde - 1-2-2015 at 04:35 PM



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Here you go...

David K - 1-2-2015 at 06:00 PM


David K - 1-2-2015 at 06:06 PM

Beautiful in there... and you could actually see the ground! In 2010, it was 1-3 feet deep and we were really sweating it but all got through. One vehicle without a locker needed to be pulled going to the mission.



BajaTripper unintentionally measures the depth!




brewer - 1-5-2015 at 09:19 PM

Does anyone know if it is accessible from the bottom? And how much hiking it would be from where you would park your vehicle?

Maron - 1-5-2015 at 09:45 PM

WOW, much good luck

Tioloco - 1-5-2015 at 09:51 PM

DK-
Was that raptor a loaned vehicle to Cameron Steele?
If so, that would explain the truck not being pushed a little to get thru the gulley. A raptor shouldn't have any trouble making it to the mission. Just a question....?

BajaNomad - 1-5-2015 at 10:31 PM

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From TeamDonde:

The trip started smoothly taking dirt south from Santa Veronica. Fist stop would be San Felipe. Weather was cool but it was beautiful. Next day would be Catavina. Stopped at Alfonsinas for lunch and had a wonderful plate of fish and shrimp tacos. Made a quick stop into La Turquesa. Well worth the detour. Then off to Coco's and then the highway north to the hotel.

Hotel Mision Catavina is a true oasis in the desert. After losing power or having no heat in San Felipe everyone was looking to sleep in and enjoy a little satellite TV. So we sat down to eat breakfast around 8:30 a.m. Got the trucks all prepped and then went to order some burritos to go. 50 minutes later they order was finally ready. Can't blame them though as the restaurant was packed. We should have ordered ahead!

While waiting for the burritos we spoke to two separate groups of Mexican travelers. One said that the trail was a no-go after Hurrican Odile. The second one said they had just done it a few days ago and it was passable. They had moved some rocks around to make the Widowmaker passable. So off we went around 11 a.m.

I knew our daylight would be limited and had doubts about our chances to make it. First point on the trail is Rancho Santa Ines. Nobody seemed to be around so we hopped back in our trucks and continued on. As we made the turn off the ranch we came across an old gringo named Ralph in a little Toyota truck. He explained that he lives there and had recently taken a group to the mision. ''You have a challenge ahead'' he said. Very, very rough with much of the dirt taken away during the hurricane. Losts of rocks left for us to conquer. He tells us he is ex-search and rescue and that if things take a turn for the worst, to come and get him. His description of the trail turned out to be exceedingly accurate. Certainly not for the beginner of faint of heart.

The good news was he gave us an alternate route via the sand wash. It would bypass the first rough section and also avoid some narrow trail that would be scratching up the full size truck that was in our group. I was grateful but knew our chances of getting to our end goal were not good.

The wash was amazing. Super fun and great scenery. Smooth rock and palms all over. We took it as far as we could and then doubled back a bit to a turnoff that took us back up to my original planned track.

Once we got back on the main trail we made our first of many beverage stops. One of the Baja newbies took a big cactus ball through the shoe immediately after stepping out of the truck. He now knows not to wear canvas shoes and always watch where you step. A little time with the plieers and we were back on the road.

Trail opened up for a while and although it was still rough we were able to make some time. We were getting anxious to see if we would reach the famous Widowmaker. We stopped at the divide where we got a glimpse of the Sea of Cortez. Time ticked on and several steep and rocky grades had us wondering if we had already completed the Widowmaker... possibly an anticlimactic event. Granted they were challenging, but not earning the name. It was about 2 p.m. when we found it. The FJ was on point so I offered to take the lead. The driver was having so much fun working the A-Trac that he opted to keep the position. And down he went.

Pictures don't do it justice. The drop is steep and often off camber. Not a big deal on 37s, but with 33s, there were a few three wheel moments. The driver of the full size truck was very inquisitive on the radio as we made our way down. Was asking and asking if he could make it. There were a few narrow spots that were iffy. I had my co-pilot, who was on the cliff side of the Jeep, look over. If there was a foot to spare. We radioed back the green light and he started his descent. A few bangs, and scrape of the skid plates followed.

Immediately after completing the Widowmaker the road dropped into the first oasis. This meant that we were rially close. Within a mile and a half of Santa Maria. Then the FJ, still on poin, radioed back that it was a no-go for the full size truck. Very narrow spots with palm trees on both sides showing scars of previous travelers.

So he hopped in with me, and we continued on. We had been on the trail over 3 hours. Sunset was 4:45 and I was doing the math. Figured as long as we made the sand wash before dark we would be good. So I set the drop dead return time at 2:45. With three-fourths of a mile left, I made the call... Santa Maria would have to wait for another day. Got lots of flack about giving up so close, but I reminded them that all bad things in Baja happen at night. We could have a series of flats or a mechanical issue and end up with a very long night. Not to mention we still needed to make our way back UP the Widowmaker.

I took point just in case the FJ needed a tug. Locked up the diffs and away we went. Not the worst thing I have climbed, but certainly a fun time. The FJs A-Trac system worked like a charm, and he too went up sans-problems. Amazingly the full size truck did great as well. Those rear e-lockers make all the difference.

With the clock ticking we made only two stops along the way for loading 9unloading) some cervezas into our systems. Heavy footing it through the terrain we made it to the half way point much faster then on the way in. Amazingly, no flats were had. Before we knew it, we were back in the wash. With a bit of daylight left and could now breath easy.

Just before 5 we arrived back at Santa Ines. Ralph came out to see us as the last vehicle came by. We have no doubt had we needed help, Ralph would have been there for aid. After a brief chat and thanks we all were back at the hotel. The trip was a great experience even if we didn't reach our goal. We will be back and I'm confident we will make it.

David K - 1-6-2015 at 08:33 AM

Thank you Doug!

David K - 1-6-2015 at 08:39 AM

Quote: Originally posted by Tioloco  
DK-
Was that raptor a loaned vehicle to Cameron Steele?
If so, that would explain the truck not being pushed a little to get thru the gulley. A raptor shouldn't have any trouble making it to the mission. Just a question....?


It was Cameron's... He told me he got within sight of the mission. I think it was the final steep gully where our bumpers got hung up and bent in 2010?

A full size truck is just asking to be dented going in there. My mid size truck had a nice dent added between the rear tire and bumper and a few other dings underneath. I am stock, 9.5" min. ground clearance.

David K - 1-6-2015 at 08:44 AM

Quote: Originally posted by brewer  
Does anyone know if it is accessible from the bottom? And how much hiking it would be from where you would park your vehicle?


Do you mean from the east, Gonzaga Bay area? Yes, by foot, by mule, by Rokon scooter, and by a few expert m/c riders.

Page 2 of this page http://vivabaja.com/1103/ is where to find it, as it leaves Arroyo Santa Maria to climb to the north side of the canyon. Allow 6 hours (going up) if hiking. Is what has been reported. I only got about 3/4 of the way before the sun was getting too low to continue.

[Edited on 1-7-2015 by David K]

Tioloco - 1-6-2015 at 05:51 PM

If edm1 got that motor home thru.......
Just saying an f350 crewcab dually with a good driver shouldn't be a problem.

David K - 1-6-2015 at 06:14 PM

Cameron is pretty skilled and I guess he just though the body damage wasn't needed as he was a short walk from the mission. Both Art and I had bumper damage.

brewer - 1-7-2015 at 01:01 PM

Quote: Originally posted by David K  
Quote: Originally posted by brewer  
Does anyone know if it is accessible from the bottom? And how much hiking it would be from where you would park your vehicle?


Do you mean from the east, Gonzaga Bay area? Yes, by foot, by mule, by Rokon scooter, and by a few expert m/c riders.

Page 2 of this page is where to find it, as it leaves Arroyo Santa Maria to climb to the north side of the canyon. Allow 6 hours (going up) if hiking. Is what has been reported. I only got about 3/4 of the way before the sun was getting too low to continue.


Yes from the east. Any reports going that way after Odile? I would plan on spending the night there.

Page 2 of what page?

Thanks.

willardguy - 1-7-2015 at 01:23 PM

brewer this is the end of the trail, from here its ropes, winches, hooks, wheelbarrow size ballz!:o




David K - 1-7-2015 at 02:43 PM

Quote: Originally posted by brewer  
Quote: Originally posted by David K  
Quote: Originally posted by brewer  
Does anyone know if it is accessible from the bottom? And how much hiking it would be from where you would park your vehicle?


Do you mean from the east, Gonzaga Bay area? Yes, by foot, by mule, by Rokon scooter, and by a few expert m/c riders.

Page 2 of this page is where to find it, as it leaves Arroyo Santa Maria to climb to the north side of the canyon. Allow 6 hours (going up) if hiking. Is what has been reported. I only got about 3/4 of the way before the sun was getting too low to continue.


Yes from the east. Any reports going that way after Odile? I would plan on spending the night there.

Page 2 of what page?

Thanks.


Sorry about that... http://vivabaja.com/1103

Here is the GPS data on the last page: [note, new highway construction in 2014-2015 may block road, driving up arroyo from new bridge is option]

GPS Directions (map datum NAD27 Mexico). Degree symbols removed to allow posting here...

Take Hwy. 5 south 7.4 miles from Rancho Grande, turn west: 29 41.094'/ 114 24.566'

3.2 miles west of Hwy. 5, go straight where most traffic curves left for Las Palmitas: 29 41.278'/ 114 27.639'

0.8 miles from above, park at huge boulder: 29 41.68'/ 114 28.20'

Hike to north bank of Arroyo Santa Maria to: 29 41.733'/ 114 28.175' elev. 609' (ECR-1)

Go northwest and climb out of valley, note ocotillos.

Along left side of side valley: 29 42.374'/ 114 28.566' elev. 741' (ECR-2)

On first padre built switchback up: 29 42.669'/ 114 28.937' elev. 906' (ECR-3)

On a ridge, trail continues northwest: 29 42.671'/ 114 29.425' elev. 1308' (ECR-4)

On the Camino Real: 29 42.748'/ 114 29.482' elev. 1391' (ECR-5)

Crossing ridges and little mesas: 29 43.008'/ 114 29.967' elev. 1477' (ECR-6)

Drop along side of ridge, trail narrow: 29 43.074'/ 114 30.128' elev.1610' (ECR-7)

End of today's hike just beyond this last clear sign of the old trail: 29 43.141'/ 114 30.189' elev. 1702' (ECR-8)

Junction of ECR & bulldozed road, in the mission valley: 29 43.126'/ 114 31.753' elev.1413'

End of bulldozed road, on canyon ridge: 29 43.033'/ 114 31.556' elev. 1,615' Top of trail coming up from canyon bottom route.

Mision Santa Maria: 29 43.891'/ 114 32.794' elev.1628'

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** Here are photos of the other end of the trail in the mission valley: http://vivabaja.com/msm/page8.html

** Here are photos of the end of the bulldozed road and top of Indian Trail coming up from canyon bottom route: http://www.vivabaja.com/403/page8.html




[Edited on 1-7-2015 by David K]

David K - 1-7-2015 at 02:49 PM

The trail we are discussing stays out of the deep canyon that Willard posted above... Here are photos on the Camino Real west of Gonzaga heading up to Santa Maria taken 11 months ago: https://docs.google.com/folderview?id=0B6hmzzBtiGV8bndLVWVEO...

David K - 1-7-2015 at 03:06 PM

360 degree, moving panorama at Mission Santa Maria, 2007: http://www.vivabaja.com/stamaria360.swf

güéribo - 1-7-2015 at 03:11 PM

Cool panorama! It's interesting how different the landforms are, east and west.

David K - 1-7-2015 at 03:20 PM

There used to be a panorama (bigger one) on Baja Mur's page from our trip in 1999... sadly that page is no longer online, and Baja Mur has passed away.