BajaNomad

Mexican citizenship?

MICK - 1-13-2015 at 06:23 PM

I was wondering what the pros and cons of getting Mexican citizenship if any of you have done it
Thanks Mick

shari - 1-13-2015 at 07:29 PM

bet thing I ever did was get citizenship! No more immigration woes...and one has every right a Mexicano has except we cant run for President...darn.

BajaBlanca - 1-13-2015 at 07:45 PM

I have been a dual citizen since I was born. When we moved here, Added Mexican citizenship so I could work. Les got his citizenship too, . No more immigration is waaaay cool.

Pescador - 1-13-2015 at 07:52 PM

You can own land, vote, and do everything a Mexican Citizen is able to do.

dtbushpilot - 1-13-2015 at 07:57 PM

If you get in trouble with the law the American (or Canadian) Consulate won't be able to help you.

edit to say that I plan to get MX citizenship and stay out of trouble....going to try anyway...

[Edited on 1-14-2015 by dtbushpilot]

durrelllrobert - 1-13-2015 at 07:59 PM

Quote: Originally posted by Pescador  
You can own land, vote, and do everything a Mexican Citizen is able to do.

But don't you have to import your car, register it in Baja and get a Baja drivers license?

dtbushpilot - 1-13-2015 at 08:02 PM

Quote: Originally posted by durrelllrobert  
Quote: Originally posted by Pescador  
You can own land, vote, and do everything a Mexican Citizen is able to do.

But don't you have to import your car, register it in Baja and get a Baja drivers license?



Yes. Why wouldn't you after all, You are a citizen, you live here now.

bajacalifornian - 1-13-2015 at 08:47 PM



I like the part where you can join hunting clubs & have guns and stuff.

DENNIS - 1-13-2015 at 09:18 PM



Perm residents can have guns legally. It's a constitutional right. I have one registered to me through the military.

DENNIS - 1-14-2015 at 08:04 AM

Quote: Originally posted by soulpatch  
Guns are low on my list but they are, like anywhere, pretty easy to get and own.


Not so easy if doing it legally, Frank. There a minefield of Catch 22s that have to be navigated. Although, as I mentioned, it's a constitutional right to own a gun, the acquisition of one LEGALLY is how the government implements strict gun control on the citizens. Anyone can own one, but not anyone can get one that is "in the system"....therefore, legal to be transferred.
Buying ammo is a whole other can of worms. they don't sell it at Walmart.

Hook - 1-14-2015 at 08:24 AM

Quote: Originally posted by dtbushpilot  
Quote: Originally posted by durrelllrobert  
Quote: Originally posted by Pescador  
You can own land, vote, and do everything a Mexican Citizen is able to do.

But don't you have to import your car, register it in Baja and get a Baja drivers license?



Yes. Why wouldn't you after all, You are a citizen, you live here now.


Because it's expensive.

We considered it, purely for the idea of dissolving our trust.

But the actual and related costs of dissolving the trust werent worth it, to us. It was going to be at least 8k to dissolve it. Most of that was not the bank but fees for a new escritura, notary fees, etc. That's about 16 years worth of trust payments. Will I be around in 16 years? Our trust is locked at a fixed amount per year. It doesnt go up.

Then, there is the importation of the vehicles. With the new regs this year, it would be between 1500-2000 per vehicle.

It just isnt worth it, to us. So, we are a combination of a Permanente and a Visitante. But we are only about 4.5 hours on a multi-lane highway from the border, so renewing a Visitante is not difficult.

Right now, dealing with INM is pretty easy. They've relaxed the financial requirements for directly qualifying for a Temporal or a Permanente. And if you start either one of these at a consulate outside of Mexico, it is a very easy process.

DENNIS - 1-14-2015 at 08:42 AM

Quote: Originally posted by soulpatch  

Gun ownership is not a make or break deal for me in my desire to become a citizen.



For me, it's right up there on my "personal responsibility for vigilance list." This day and age, that can't be taken for granted if there's a viable option.
For me, there is.

[Edited on 1-14-2015 by BajaNomad]

Hook - 1-14-2015 at 09:44 AM

The costs of using a gun down here, with the likelihood that it will force you into entering the legal system, is not worth the protection it gives, IMO. I'd just as soon give the bad guys what they are asking for, if it was a personal confrontation. It's probably cheaper, in the long run. It's difficult to steal my boat, my house, my ATV. My cars are nine and fifteen years old.

If they break into my house to get stuff, it means I am probably not here with a gun (or any deterrent), anyway. It wont be hard to replace a six year old, 32 inch flat panel or a couple low-end laptops. Yes, we might lose some cash............but not a life-changing amount.

Now, entering the Mexican legal system, THAT can be life-changing.

Besides, for the guns you could legally possess down here, you will likely be severely outgunned.

Hook - 1-14-2015 at 09:47 AM

Dennis, Dennis, Dennis !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

What did you do, THIS time???????

DENNIS - 1-14-2015 at 10:36 AM



Not me, Capt. Hook. I'm innercent.

Anyway...my gun permit is for house only. I shudder to think of the consequences of a couple of junkies entering my space unannounced.
I even have trouble watching "Criminal Minds" on the tube.
If push came to shove, and I had to go to extremes on or in my property, I would expect very few consequences from the authorities. I am allowed, and capable of self protection
That said...I won't be shooting the paperboy for throwing the periodico on the roof.

willardguy - 1-14-2015 at 10:56 AM

Quote: Originally posted by Hook  
Quote: Originally posted by dtbushpilot  
Quote: Originally posted by durrelllrobert  
Quote: Originally posted by Pescador  
You can own land, vote, and do everything a Mexican Citizen is able to do.

But don't you have to import your car, register it in Baja and get a Baja drivers license?



Yes. Why wouldn't you after all, You are a citizen, you live here now.


Because it's expensive.

We considered it, purely for the idea of dissolving our trust.

But the actual and related costs of dissolving the trust werent worth it, to us. It was going to be at least 8k to dissolve it. Most of that was not the bank but fees for a new escritura, notary fees, etc. That's about 16 years worth of trust payments. Will I be around in 16 years? Our trust is locked at a fixed amount per year. It doesnt go up.

Then, there is the importation of the vehicles. With the new regs this year, it would be between 1500-2000 per vehicle.

It just isnt worth it, to us. So, we are a combination of a Permanente and a Visitante. But we are only about 4.5 hours on a multi-lane highway from the border, so renewing a Visitante is not difficult.

Right now, dealing with INM is pretty easy. They've relaxed the financial requirements for directly qualifying for a Temporal or a Permanente. And if you start either one of these at a consulate outside of Mexico, it is a very easy process.


hook, what do mean a combination of permanente and visitante? and just HOW relaxed did the financial requirement get??? gracias!

greengoes - 1-14-2015 at 11:01 AM

More features, quotes have been improved. :)

Hook - 1-14-2015 at 01:19 PM

By combination, I mean my wife has a Permanente and I have the Visitante. Since both vehicles are in both names, she can drive the US plated vehicle outside the free zones. Of course, we have to get a Temp Import Permit (in my name, since Permanentes cant get one) when we go outside the free zones.

I dont remember the exact amounts they reduced the qualifications. But it seemed like it was reduced by at least 30%. Maybe more. Best to check the yucalandia site or the rollybrook site. This just took effect on Jan 1.

willardguy - 1-14-2015 at 01:43 PM

Quote: Originally posted by Hook  
By combination, I mean my wife has a Permanente and I have the Visitante. Since both vehicles are in both names, she can drive the US plated vehicle outside the free zones. Of course, we have to get a Temp Import Permit (in my name, since Permanentes cant get one) when we go outside the free zones.

I dont remember the exact amounts they reduced the qualifications. But it seemed like it was reduced by at least 30%. Maybe more. Best to check the yucalandia site or the rollybrook site. This just took effect on Jan 1.


thanks hook. im close but still don't make it!:(

DENNIS - 1-14-2015 at 04:34 PM

Quote: Originally posted by Hook  

Besides, for the guns you could legally possess down here, you will likely be severely outgunned.


Not if you shoot first. Vigilance is everything.

Hook - 1-14-2015 at 08:52 PM

Quote: Originally posted by DENNIS  
Quote: Originally posted by Hook  

Besides, for the guns you could legally possess down here, you will likely be severely outgunned.


Not if you shoot first. Vigilance is everything.


Then you will live to enter the Mexican legal system, in all likelihood. Being legally correct is not an ironclad defense in Mexico, especially if you are perceived as a gringo with means.

Pick your poison.

DENNIS - 1-14-2015 at 09:38 PM



Ironclad defense........in Mexico?

MitchMan - 1-15-2015 at 04:02 PM

From what I have read over the years in this forum, self defense resulting in injury to an intruder (your being with or without a gun) in or out of your house but on your property is very problematic. I have heard that if you injure an intruder in your effort of self defense, you are legally liable for the damage you do to the intruder in terms of his medical costs and damage compensation. In my view, having a gun simply escalates and increases the potential for damage and all that may bring in the Mexican legal system.

Two years ago, an intruder broke into my house in Baja while my wife and I were asleep, I woke up, grabbed my very long, thin and very sharp machete and chased him out of the house. I thought long and hard about whether I should get a gun. Decided against it for Mexico, still thinking about it for the USA home, though.

willardguy - 1-15-2015 at 05:57 PM

Quote: Originally posted by bajacalifornian  


I like the part where you can join hunting clubs & have guns and stuff.


you had to plant the seed :no: :lol:

chippy - 1-15-2015 at 07:48 PM

I got mine in 2007,wife 2006 (even though we started the process the same day), daughter was born here in 2002. We have been living here permantly since 1998. It was time.

Please learn to speak spanish before trying to get citizenship. You will thank me later.