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off-topic forum

SFandH - 3-16-2015 at 05:59 PM

I'd like to see the off-topic forum work like the rest of the forums. No password, posts show up on the today's posts page. The off-topic threads would get more participation.



[Edited on 3-17-2015 by SFandH]

AKgringo - 3-16-2015 at 06:10 PM

I disagree, in fact I think posts that evolve into political rants that have nothing to do with Baja should be moved there (IE the current 'Mega drought' thread)
It is not a big deal to sign in to 'Off Topic', and many of us don't want that traffic cluttering the recent post format.

SFandH - 3-16-2015 at 06:13 PM

cluttering? do you mean the extra rows to include off-topic in the list of posts is a big nuisance?

the mega-drought thread should be moved, as you say



[Edited on 3-17-2015 by SFandH]

BooJumMan - 3-16-2015 at 08:55 PM

OT is just a few guys calling eachother names over and over. It seems pretty boring :D

luv2fish - 3-16-2015 at 10:46 PM

Quote: Originally posted by BooJumMan  
OT is just a few guys calling eachother names over and over. It seems pretty boring :D


This thread should be moved, has nothing to do with "the Baja"

Sweetwater - 3-17-2015 at 12:13 AM

Well,
I'm going to post up an opinion here that might rile a few of the establishment.

I've been watching for years now that when a more progressive and thoughtful thread is derailed by a few posters such as David K.

I think it's totally intentional and serves the purpose of booting such a thread to an off topic venue where it will die a death that is desired by that bent of political perspective.

This is not the only forum that has this type of occurrence and outcome. I could go further and define each of the "participants" who routinely engage in this behaviour but I've learned through other forums that those who run the house make the rules.

I'm actually quite surprised that the quote thread has survived as long as it has. Personally, I have attempted to bring it back on topic as much as possible.

I cite resources that I didn't measure myself a week or decade ago and attempt to keep an intellectual conversation without politics in application. The typical derailment is the opposite from my perspective.

The forum owner gets to choose, I hope he or she or them choose wisely. In this regard, my son in Oakland tells me that water rates are being raised and the state is "condemned" to running out of potable water in the next year. This is On Topic and goes far beyond recommending drip water systems for your yard.

Reality is a b-tch.....as the old vernacular applies.....and I don't own any servers or forums. I've grown to love Baja through Steinbeck and experience so the ball does not rest in my court.

I would ask for wisdom and attention to real science and facts...most difficult requests in the current social and political climate.

BWTFDIK...I'm a simple country boy born and raised in the absolute Red Neck and Conservative state of Wyoming. There are not a bunch of us ever and fewer of us left so load up and take your best shot....I can take it and I can dish it out..........:tumble:

bajajudy - 3-17-2015 at 08:00 AM

Quote: Originally posted by SFandH  
I'd like to see the off-topic forum work like the rest of the forums. No password, posts show up on the today's posts page. The off-topic threads would get more participation.



[Edited on 3-17-2015 by SFandH]

NO

[Edited on 3-17-2015 by bajajudy]

David K - 3-17-2015 at 08:20 AM

What is "progressive" and "thoughtful" about NOT discussing other opinions or the facts? How many of my posts been "derailed" by sidebars...? Do I demand changes to Doug's forums? NO!

I am all for MORE people posting MORE Baja trip reports and events happenings... and ask all the questions they may have. Making friends is another benefit of Baja Nomad, some of you need to try it instead of making enemies here. I don't care what your politics are, only that we are all free to think the way we want with factual information to support those beliefs. Around the Baja campfire, we never talk politics only Baja stories. I have many friends here that don't vote the way I do, so no need to conform to any side if you are a Nomad.

Now, because my name was used to promote the control idea here:

The only "derailing" is when I may question the idea that sea levels have risen, when I can go to the same places, roads, and buildings along the sea that I did 30, 40, even 50 years ago... and they are STILL in the same place above the sea. The idea that man is more powerful than Nature and only he can cause climates to change or sea levels to rise is crazy. I do not tell people that I am right, but instead use their own eyes to see then truth. Trust people and not Big Government. 'Progressive' is just New-speak for oppressive dictatorship in government. There Mr. Sweetwater, is that derailed enough for you? Have a nice day!

mtgoat666 - 3-17-2015 at 08:33 AM

Quote: Originally posted by David K  
Around the Baja campfire, we never talk politics only Baja stories.


I have discussed politics around many a campfire... your campfires sound boring!
Quote: Originally posted by David K  

'Progressive' is just New-speak for oppressive dictatorship in government. There Mr. Sweetwater, is that derailed enough for you? Have a nice day!


DK, that was a very in-your-face derailing. You really should go to the OT and practice your flame thrower politics in the OT venue!

bajadogs - 3-17-2015 at 08:33 AM

Oops, you did it again.

David K - 3-17-2015 at 08:37 AM

Sorry Goat, but when someone posts about taking away freedoms, and calls it 'progressive', I like to point that out! LOL

Chill and have a nice day!

ncampion - 3-17-2015 at 08:42 AM

Quote: Originally posted by mtgoat666  
Quote: Originally posted by David K  
Around the Baja campfire, we never talk politics only Baja stories.



DK, that was a very in-your-face derailing. You really should go to the OT and practice your flame thrower politics in the OT venue!



I get pretty tired of all the David K bashing that goes on in this forum. It was Sweetwater that first brought up his name in this thread which had nothing to do with the topic, then you get all upset when David comes back to defend himself. Shouldn't you be aiming your wrath at Sweetwater for derailing the thread and turning it personal. You all need to grow up be a little more tolerant of people with other views that don't exactly align with you own.

monoloco - 3-17-2015 at 09:17 AM

Debate is good, name calling and personal insults are childish and counterproductive. It's really not that hard to get one's point across without being insulting. The anonymous nature of the internet breeds incivility, maybe we should all try harder to make our posts more like we are speaking to someone face to face.

David K - 3-17-2015 at 09:32 AM

Quote: Originally posted by monoloco  
Debate is good, name calling and personal insults are childish and counterproductive. It's really not that hard to get one's point across without being insulting. The anonymous nature of the internet breeds incivility, maybe we should all try harder to make our posts more like we are speaking to someone face to face.


Excellent idea!:light:

luv2fish - 3-17-2015 at 09:45 AM

Quote: Originally posted by ncampion  
Quote: Originally posted by mtgoat666  
Quote: Originally posted by David K  
Around the Baja campfire, we never talk politics only Baja stories.



DK, that was a very in-your-face derailing. You really should go to the OT and practice your flame thrower politics in the OT venue!



I get pretty tired of all the David K bashing that goes on in this forum. It was Sweetwater that first brought up his name in this thread which had nothing to do with the topic, then you get all upset when David comes back to defend himself. Shouldn't you be aiming your wrath at Sweetwater for derailing the thread and turning it personal. You all need to grow up be a little more tolerant of people with other views that don't exactly align with you own.


LIKE LIKE LIKE LIKE :light::light::light::light:
Although I don't always agree with Dave, I get pretty peed off when he posts stuff or comments on something and gets attacked, espacially by a certain female poster with anger issues.

durrelllrobert - 3-17-2015 at 10:15 AM

"Debate is good, name calling and personal insults are childish and counterproductive. It's really not that hard to get one's point across without being insulting."
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It appears that the only reason for the OT is so that ALL of the regular posters there use it ONLY for the reasons you mentioned

motoged - 3-17-2015 at 10:37 AM

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favoring or advocating progress, change, improvement, or reform, as opposed to wishing to maintain things as they are, especially in political matters:
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(initial capital letter) of or relating to any of the Progressive parties in politics.
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SFandH - 3-17-2015 at 10:57 AM

Quote: Originally posted by durrelllrobert  
"Debate is good, name calling and personal insults are childish and counterproductive. It's really not that hard to get one's point across without being insulting."
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It appears that the only reason for the OT is so that ALL of the regular posters there use it ONLY for the reasons you mentioned


I regularly post there and I don't think what you say is true. There are a couple of guys that continually insult each other and that's unfortunate. But, there are also a handful of off-topic participants that post interesting things and discuss current events without insulting others.

I've been hanging out on the message board while my back gets over an encounter with a heavy flower pot and I was thinking that if the off-topic board got more exposure, there would be more posts by people that have something interesting to offer.

Just a thought.

wessongroup - 3-17-2015 at 11:41 AM

Dittos ...

bajajudy - 3-17-2015 at 03:13 PM

Quote: Originally posted by SFandH  
Quote: Originally posted by durrelllrobert  
"Debate is good, name calling and personal insults are childish and counterproductive. It's really not that hard to get one's point across without being insulting."
___________________________________________________________________

It appears that the only reason for the OT is so that ALL of the regular posters there use it ONLY for the reasons you mentioned


I regularly post there and I don't think what you say is true. There are a couple of guys that continually insult each other and that's unfortunate. But, there are also a handful of off-topic participants that post interesting things and discuss current events without insulting others.

I've been hanging out on the message board while my back gets over an encounter with a heavy flower pot and I was thinking that if the off-topic board got more exposure, there would be more posts by people that have something interesting to offer.

Just a thought.


Still NO

toneart - 3-17-2015 at 05:13 PM

Like S & H, I too would like to see Off Topic attract more writers and viewers. The reality is, that is not going to happen.

It is set up to include anything NOT Baja related. I understand that that was Doug's intent, as there are a quite a few posters on the main Baja Forum who do possess good, cognitive thinking skills. They also express themselves well with their writing. I do however, support Doug in keeping the two forums separate.

There are just a scant few who will venture to Off Topic. But, it is futile to get much in the way of civil, meaningful debate going there. OT is notorious for Hate, Bigotry, and Name Calling. Some of the few do get a brief, interesting topic going but the string is quickly degraded by the same nasty, obsessive trolls who live to try to lure you into a pi$$ing match.

I used to get drawn in by something I would find offensive. My contributions would be in the form of essays in which I poured my heart and soul. I have always stated that I welcome civil debate, but for the most part, that is not what you get there.

At present, I still go there, but NOT to try to convince anyone or convert. I am not an Evangelist, but am prone to pontificating. What I am doing there now is, as a writer, I gather Ultra Right Wing, predictable blather, psychology and dialog. Because I really don't know anybody like that in real life, I can't get that ideological mindset and dialog any other way.

I don't get hurt or insulted any more because I see it for what it really is. Really! If you don't allow yourself to get upset, it is pretty comical. They are really stereotypical caricatures. What I get out of it is to use them to bounce off of. I get inspired, and the product pleases me. I am archiving these essays and they will eventually be unified into a cohesive form for publication (after much editing ;) )

So, if anybody here on the main Baja forum wishes to lurk there, you may get glimpses of some respectful and thoughtful ideas and debate.
I probably would not advise jumping in though unless you are prepared to stomach what will be coming at you. :no:

wessongroup - 3-17-2015 at 06:18 PM

Pretty much sums it up for me ... :):)

Kgryfon - 3-18-2015 at 01:17 AM

Off topic seems to be filled with angry bitter bulls@@it. Leave it the way it is.

[Edited on 3-19-2015 by Kgryfon]

Skipjack Joe - 3-18-2015 at 05:12 AM

I sense that bajanomads would lose some of it's membership if this idea was acted upon.

ELINVESTIG8R - 3-18-2015 at 07:03 AM

ELINVESTIG8R - 3-18-2015 at 07:53 AM

Quote: Originally posted by Kgryfon  
Off topic seems to be filled with angry bitter bulls@@it. Leave it separate. They should all go to Fulanos forums and spew their vitriol there. Ugly, hateful places. Stab each other in the dark somewhere else. I prefer to live in the light. I realize this post will probably make me a target of the off topic posters and Fulanos site. F all of them. Bunch of bitter angry ass holes with no lives so they have nothing left but to try and sh@t on everyone else's dreams. Guess what fellas? Maybe life sucked for you because YOU sucked!



I did not know you had a sense of humor. Hahahahaha jeeeeeeeeeezus very funny!

bajacalifornication - 3-18-2015 at 10:59 AM

How do I create an account for the off topic forum

wessongroup - 3-18-2015 at 04:48 PM

Just sign in ... password, over18 ...

Some, don't bite .... and try and keep to the topic as best as one can ... given the "chatter" on the personal level which tends to move things away from the point being discussed

Seems most all topics become "political" ... which only leads to the usual ... attacks derived from current political positions on any topic ... discussed

Which is the way of most discussion and/or problem solving on just about anything ... currently and/or historically

[Edited on 3-19-2015 by wessongroup]

bajacalifornication - 3-18-2015 at 05:05 PM

Thank you. Wessongroup
Cover me I'm going in.