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Scientology...The Prison of Belief HBO Documentary

steekers - 3-29-2015 at 08:47 PM

Powerful HBO documentary about the Scientology "Church" airs over the next few days. I saw the first one that aired at 5 PM Pacific time today. Powerful presentation. I always wondered what drew people to this "science" of religion. The full title is "Going Clear - Scientology and The Prison of Belief".

[Edited on 3-30-2015 by steekers]

Ken Cooke - 3-30-2015 at 09:13 AM

These believers put themselves in this prison of sorts. Any followers in Baja, Mexico?

redhilltown - 3-30-2015 at 11:59 PM

Thank god the Church of Scientology now has religious freedom in Indiana!!!

Ateo - 3-31-2015 at 09:24 AM

I'm watching this tonight.............This thread will be in OT soon unless we can find some Scientologists in Baja ASAP! :biggrin::biggrin:

durrelllrobert - 3-31-2015 at 11:42 AM

Their main technology center is located on highway 79 between Hemet and Beaumont. Very impressive:
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Church_of_Scientology

"Gold Base, Riverside County, California
Main article: Gold Base
The headquarters of the Religious Technology Center, the entity that oversees Scientology operations worldwide, is located in unincorporated Riverside County, California, near Gilman Hot Springs and north of Hemet. The facility, known as Gold Base or "Int", is owned by Golden Era Productions and is the home of Scientology's media production studio, Golden Era Studios. Several Scientology executives, including David Miscavige, live and work at the base.[44] Therefore Gold Base is Scientology's international administrative headquarters.[45][46][47][48]

The Church of Scientology bought a former resort, which had been popular with Hollywood figures, in 1978; the resort became Gold Base.[49] The facilities at Gold Base have been toured by journalists several times. They are surrounded by floodlights and video observation cameras,[44][50][51][52] and the compound is protected by razor wire.[53] Gold Base also has recreational facilities, including basketball, volleyball, and soccer facilities, an exercise building, a waterslide, a small lake with two beaches, and a golf course.[54]

elgatoloco - 3-31-2015 at 10:27 PM

Quote: Originally posted by steekers  
Powerful HBO documentary about the Scientology "Church" airs over the next few days. I saw the first one that aired at 5 PM Pacific time today. Powerful presentation. I always wondered what drew people to this "science" of religion. The full title is "Going Clear - Scientology and The Prison of Belief".

[Edited on 3-30-2015 by steekers]


Unreal. We have a member of our extended family that is heavily involved in the 'church'. I have always had a fascination about religion in general and scientology seemed, to me at least, a laughable concept from the first time I was exposed in the mid-80's. This documentary is fascinating and scary at the same time. Everyone should see it and then write their elected representative and request that the IRS take another look at the whole 'tax exempt' deal. What a scam. I still think Top Gun was a cool movie, though.

elgatoloco - 3-31-2015 at 10:34 PM

Quote: Originally posted by Ken Cooke  
These believers put themselves in this prison of sorts. Any followers in Baja, Mexico?


Yes! Its been awhile. :saint:

http://thecid.com/ufo/uf22/uf8/228325.htm

"My brother, a friend, and I witnessed six craft over Baja, Calif, beach in October of 1969

In 1969, my friend Steve, my brother, and myself were sent to a secret base in Mexico to live and study on an olive and avocado plantation some fifteen miles south of Ensenada, Mexico, about half way down the Baja penninsula. We all belonged to the Church of Scientology,............"

Just keeping it real, and relevant. ;)

Viva Baja!

Ateo - 4-1-2015 at 08:01 AM

Dang. That documentary left me feeling sick to my stomach. What a scam..............There were parts of the movie that made me feel very uncomfortable. Revoke their tax exempt status!

Pompano - 4-1-2015 at 03:05 PM

Albert Einstein's take on this one...."Science without religion is lame; religion without science is blind."

bajabuddha - 4-1-2015 at 03:56 PM

Quote: Originally posted by Ateo  
Dang. That documentary left me feeling sick to my stomach. What a scam..............There were parts of the movie that made me feel very uncomfortable. Revoke their tax exempt status!


DOUBLE-DITTO !!! ......AND the Cath-licks, and the Mor(m)ons, and the Baba-tists, madda-fact, revoke 'em all. That is, all except My church:

The Church of The Divine Mind of Mathematics of Monday Night Football.

If you join, you get a 10% pay raise, and Sundays off. Plus, on Monday nights, we use REAL sacramental wine! :yes:

SFandH - 4-1-2015 at 05:28 PM

Quote: Originally posted by redhilltown  
Thank god the Church of Scientology now has religious freedom in Indiana!!!


:spingrin: - thanks for the chuckle

[Edited on 4-2-2015 by SFandH]

bajabuddha - 4-1-2015 at 05:34 PM

Quote: Originally posted by David K  
No off topic protests in this thread? > ?? Just wondering why not.


That's what the 'REPORT' box in the upper right-hand corner is for; Doug put it there so if you don't agree with it you can report it to management.

Oh, chit. I forgot, you ARE management.

My bad. :smug:

willardguy - 4-1-2015 at 05:36 PM

Quote: Originally posted by David K  
No off topic protests in this thread? > ?? Just wondering why not.


just where do you think YOUR off topic protest ended up david? P O O F !

SFandH - 4-1-2015 at 05:40 PM

no insults, no crude, silly graphics. why move it to the sewer?

Dianetics has been around a long time. It's interesting, sort of.

woody with a view - 4-1-2015 at 05:44 PM

I'm a believer.

After a long session under the influence of Lord Neptune, I believe I'll have another beer!

bajabuddha - 4-1-2015 at 06:09 PM

WHAT logic?

bajabuddha - 4-1-2015 at 06:13 PM

By the way, David K, I DID meet you. I spent hours listening to you. You never STFU ...... once. I, and my better half walked away with two conclusions; you were the Main Dood of Baja Nomads, and you were, and still are, 2 lbs of b.s. in a one-pound-bag. IMHO.

Nothing's changed.

joerover - 4-1-2015 at 06:13 PM

ron hubard died of a injection of liquid cocaine. Overdose of liquid cocaine from the pharmacy. taste of his own medicine. he payed a chemist to invent crack cocaine because medicle cocaine was to highly regulated. He felt powered cocaine was not addictive enough to gain control of people and their thoughts.


told you he was an imbecile
Quote: Originally posted by woody with a view  
I'm a believer.

After a long session under the influence of Lord Neptune, I believe I'll have another beer!

Lee - 4-1-2015 at 06:24 PM

Quote: Originally posted by joerover  
ron hubard died of a injection of liquid cocaine. Overdose of liquid cocaine from the pharmacy. taste of his own medicine. he payed a chemist to invent crack cocaine because medicle cocaine was to highly regulated. He felt powered cocaine was not addictive enough to gain control of people and their thoughts.


told you he was an imbecile
Quote: Originally posted by woody with a view  
I'm a believer.

After a long session under the influence of Lord Neptune, I believe I'll have another beer!


Not too far removed from the catholic church, evangelicals, born agains, and generally, hypocrites claiming their faith is the true faith. Protestants killing catholics in Belfast.

Some things aren't going to change. Like the government. Meet the new boss, same as the old boss.

AMF

vandenberg - 4-1-2015 at 07:31 PM

Quote: Originally posted by Lee  

Some things aren't going to change. Like the government. Meet the new boss, same as the old boss.

AMF


:biggrin::biggrin::biggrin:

bajabuddha - 4-1-2015 at 09:25 PM

"I used to be all messed up on drugs, until I found The Lord....

.... Now I'm all messed up on.... The Lord!"

...Cheech & Chong, 197-0 or -1? (I was too busy being shot at)

David K - 4-1-2015 at 10:03 PM

Quote: Originally posted by bajabuddha  
By the way, David K, I DID meet you. I spent hours listening to you. You never STFU ...... once. I, and my better half walked away with two conclusions; you were the Main Dood of Baja Nomads, and you were, and still are, 2 lbs of b.s. in a one-pound-bag. IMHO.

Nothing's changed.


No, you have not... what you describe is not me... and it is getting just a little old you keep up your delusion about that. Perhaps they said it was me and pretended to know how I talk and act in public. There are a hundred Nomads who have met me and many who may not share my politics, but as they will tell you, in Baja we don't talk politics around the campfire. I have never been in one place for hours, either. I like getting back to camp to the quiet. I tell anyone who calls me an expert or whatever that no, I just love Baja a lot and I am always learning more about it. I also make it clear there is much more Baja I do NOT know about than I do know about.
Now move on and bully someone else, I don't have time for liars. In fact, I don't talk bad about anybody I meet, because I meet only other great Baja Nomads... I know I never met you.

DENNIS - 4-2-2015 at 05:13 AM

Quote: Originally posted by woody with a view  
I'm a believer.

After a long session under the influence of Lord Neptune, I believe I'll have another beer!


My church....."Our Lady of Pacifico."

bajabuddha - 4-2-2015 at 05:57 AM

Quote: Originally posted by David K  
Quote: Originally posted by bajabuddha  
By the way, David K, I DID meet you. I spent hours listening to you. You never STFU ...... once. I, and my better half walked away with two conclusions; you were the Main Dood of Baja Nomads, and you were, and still are, 2 lbs of b.s. in a one-pound-bag. IMHO.

Nothing's changed.


No, you have not... what you describe is not me... and it is getting just a little old you keep up your delusion about that. Perhaps they said it was me and pretended to know how I talk and act in public. There are a hundred Nomads who have met me and many who may not share my politics, but as they will tell you, in Baja we don't talk politics around the campfire. I have never been in one place for hours, either. I like getting back to camp to the quiet. I tell anyone who calls me an expert or whatever that no, I just love Baja a lot and I am always learning more about it. I also make it clear there is much more Baja I do NOT know about than I do know about.
Now move on and bully someone else, I don't have time for liars. In fact, I don't talk bad about anybody I meet, because I meet only other great Baja Nomads... I know I never met you.

You never 'met' me because your upper lip was in the way; you never got the chance. But I did 'meet' you, Super-Dave.

I'm a lot of things, but a liar is not one of them.

And you have the nerve to call me delusional.

For the record, you really were a nice guy.

[Edited on 4-2-2015 by bajabuddha]

chuckie - 4-2-2015 at 06:52 AM

But a blivit?

David K - 4-2-2015 at 09:08 AM

I still am nice, but please stop the story telling. I was never in a single social environment where I talk endlessly... As I recall, you originally claimed it was at Playa Buenaventura. I have only been there twice, both times with my wife, and we sat outside alone enjoying a beer and a burger. A little chat with Mark and Olivia, but mostly to hear them after what they went through. No one else. We were there no more than an hour and went back to our camp at La Perla.

bajabuddha - 4-2-2015 at 09:17 AM

Quote: Originally posted by David K  
I still am nice, but please stop the story telling. I was never in a single social environment where I talk endlessly... As I recall, you originally claimed it was at Playa Buenaventura. I have only been there twice, both times with my wife, and we sat outside alone enjoying a beer and a burger. A little chat with Mark and Olivia, but mostly to hear them after what they went through. No one else. We were there no more than an hour and went back to our camp at La Perla.

Fine, David. First, I never claimed 'where', but since you brought it up, yuppers. You and your wife were inside at the bar, I believe had a burger, and yakked for quite a while.

Second, I LIVED at La Perla for 15 years, and was camped there at the time. You were 'on the road' and passing through from the south, and left late afternoon headed north so you could get to your destination before dark. Believe me, if you were camped at La Perla that particular day I would have known it.

Now who's the liar? Or just confused, perhaps? You see, some of us do take time to LISTEN, and have incoming as well as outgoing status.

Believe what you wish, DOOD. I could care less. Nothing's changed, or will. Hope your hands heal. Peace, out.

grizzlyfsh95 - 4-2-2015 at 09:24 AM

:P:P
Quote: Originally posted by bajabuddha  
Quote: Originally posted by David K  
I still am nice, but please stop the story telling. I was never in a single social environment where I talk endlessly... As I recall, you originally claimed it was at Playa Buenaventura. I have only been there twice, both times with my wife, and we sat outside alone enjoying a beer and a burger. A little chat with Mark and Olivia, but mostly to hear them after what they went through. No one else. We were there no more than an hour and went back to our camp at La Perla.

Fine, David. First, I never claimed 'where', but since you brought it up, yuppers. You and your wife were inside at the bar, I believe had a burger, and yakked for quite a while.

Second, I LIVED at La Perla for 15 years, and was camped there at the time. You were 'on the road' and passing through from the south, and left late afternoon headed north so you could get to your destination before dark. Believe me, if you were camped at La Perla that particular day I would have known it.
e Buddha
Now who's the liar? Or just confused, perhaps? You see, some of us do take time to LISTEN, and have incoming as well as outgoing status.

Believe what you wish, DOOD. I could care less. Nothing's changed, or will. Hope your hands heal. Peace, out.




Neener, neeener ,neeener:P

[Edited on 4-2-2015 by grizzlyfsh95]

motoged - 4-2-2015 at 11:46 AM

Quote: Originally posted by David K  
You guys really think you know me, and have never met me to understand my logic (that you haven't figured out)...

I don't get bent about off topic...


David,
I didn't know you were into Scientology....and am not sure if it would matter to me or not ( re: "You guys really think you know me" ) if you are/were.


Another thing I don't know is why/how this post of yours is a response to the thread topic :?:

DanO - 4-2-2015 at 01:36 PM

There is a link between Hubbard/Scientology and Baja, which I believe has been reported on before on this board. Here's the historical reference (the Wikipedia reference is also linked and is an interesting read):

Following its return to Astoria, the USS PC-815 was ordered to escort a new aircraft carrier to San Diego, where the subchaser was to participate in exercises.[48] On June 28, Hubbard ordered his crew to fire four shells from the ship's 3-inch gun and a number of rifle and pistol shots in the direction of the Coronado Islands, off which the ship anchored for the night. He did not realize that the islands belonged to Mexico, an ally, nor that he had taken the USS PC-815 into Mexican territorial waters.[49] The islands were garrisoned by Mexican Navy personnel during the war.[50] The Mexican government complained and two days later, Hubbard found himself before a naval Board of Investigation in San Diego. He was found to have disregarded orders by carrying out an unsanctioned gunnery practice and violating Mexican waters. He was reprimanded and removed from command, effective July 7.[49] Rear Admiral Frank A. Braisted commented, in a fitness report written shortly after the Coronado incident, that he "consider[ed] this officer lacking in the essential qualities of judgment, leadership and cooperation. He acts without forethought as to probable results. He is believed to have been sincere in his efforts to make his ship efficient and ready. Not considered qualified for command or promotion at this time. Recommend duty on a large vessel where he can be properly supervised."[51]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Military_career_of_L._Ron_Hubba...

mtgoat666 - 4-2-2015 at 02:17 PM

well, it ain't scientology,.... but there is some secret cult compound on the coast south of ensenada. i think it is called tvind, is danish or norwegian or some sort of scandinavian group.

i am sure map man can post a map and google earth photo.

is there a danish bakery in ensenada?

motoged - 4-2-2015 at 03:23 PM

I had an apricot danish with my coffee last week....

DanO - 4-2-2015 at 03:42 PM

This is an article about that Danish compound that was the subject of some discussion here awhile back:

http://www.sandiegoreader.com/news/2010/feb/03/cover-mysteri...

Photos of the place:

http://www.panoramio.com/photo/9811775

The latest on the Mexican arrest warrant out for the leader:

6 Jan 2014
Mexican police seek fugitive Amdi Petersen

Mogens Amdi Petersen, founder of Tvind and leader of the Teachers Group (TG), is now being sought by the Mexican police.

“Mexican authorities have received an order to arrest and deport him,” Jose Manjarrez, a spokesperson for Mexico's public prosecutor, told the Danish newspaper Jyllands-Posten. “We haven’t found him yet, so the search continues.”

One of the Tvind Teachers Group's international headquarters, TG Pacifico, is located at San Juan de las Pulgas on Mexico’s northern Baja coast. Danish authorities have suspected Petersen of staying at the facility since he was seen there by a Tvind defector on several occasions in 2010.

Petersen and four other TG leaders have been listed as ‘wanted’ by Interpol since August 2013. Danish prosecutors had requested the Interpol arrest warrant after Petersen and the others failed to appear in court on charges involving a multimillion-dollar tax-fraud and embezzlement scheme.

Besides Petersen, the defendants are Kirsten Larsen, Marlene Gunst, Sten Byrner and Christie Pipps (a.k.a. Kirsten Fuglsbjerg).

A spokesman for the Danish Ministry of Foreign Affairs, Ole Mikkelsen Egberg, told Jyllands-Posten:

“It is true that we have asked the Mexican authorities for assistance in the search for the Danes, who are accused by the High Court in that case.”

Denmark has no extradition treaty with Mexico, but in August 2013 the Danish ambassador to Mexico, Susanne Rumohr Hækkerup, indicated cautious optimism.

“Mexico has become increasingly more integrated with international police investigations, and we see far more extraditions today than we did 15 to 20 years ago,” she told Jyllands-Posten.

bajabuddha - 4-2-2015 at 05:37 PM

I heard Admi Petersen vas a Great Dane. :smug:

durrelllrobert - 4-2-2015 at 05:55 PM

Quote: Originally posted by mtgoat666  
well, it ain't scientology,.... but there is some secret cult compound on the coast south of ensenada. i think it is called tvind, is danish or norwegian or some sort of scandinavian group.

i am sure map man can post a map and google earth photo.

is there a danish bakery in ensenada?