BajaNomad - What the heck is going on here?

What the heck is going on here?

StuckSucks - 6-8-2015 at 05:28 PM

I get that these are to summon help, but why are they specifically here? Has there been a problem with people dying in the desert in this area?

This was tower #7 of nine, scattered down Laguna Salada. This tower was on the west shore of the laguna, NE of Canyon Guadalupe.

At the top of the tower are solar panels, flags and flashing LEDs. The map near the push-button was illuminated.

ehall - 6-8-2015 at 05:32 PM

We have them in the u.s. Also. They are all across the cabeza prieta in southern az

Archie - 6-8-2015 at 06:08 PM

The most in-famous incident was the death of 11 mexican soldiers while training for desert survival in 1996, not far from there.

Since then, almost every summer autorithies and search and rescue groups have to look for people going to guadalupe canyon, usually cars broke or got stuck in the sand.

In july of 2012, 4 hikers lost their tracks and one of them died. 3 days later, another group of 70 people have to be rescued from the same place. this same year another biker was lost and never found.

David K - 6-8-2015 at 06:42 PM

We saw some driving to the Pole Line Road in April...

There is a group that has or had put water containers marked with high flying flags to support the needs of illegal border crossers in our southern desert of California.

Hook - 6-8-2015 at 07:08 PM

They have been placed there to assist members of Jeep clubs when they all break down, en masse.

Ateo - 6-8-2015 at 08:33 PM

Quote: Originally posted by Hook

They have been placed there to assist members of Jeep clubs when they all break down, en masse.

ehall - 6-8-2015 at 08:35 PM

Quote: Originally posted by Hook

They have been placed there to assist members of Jeep clubs when they all break down, en masse.

And we are eternally grateful

David K - 6-8-2015 at 09:30 PM

Quote: Originally posted by ehall

Quote: Originally posted by Hook

They have been placed there to assist members of Jeep clubs when they all break down, en masse.

And we are eternally grateful

Oh now, it was a FORD that died on our group! :lol:

Hook - 6-10-2015 at 07:33 AM

REAL Ford truck owners dont consider a Ranger, a Ford truck.

Rangers are simply MARKETED as a truck to compete in the TOY class. :biggrin:

[Edited on 6-10-2015 by Hook]

David K - 6-10-2015 at 08:00 AM

Quote: Originally posted by Hook

REAL Ford truck owners dont consider a Ranger, a Ford truck.

Rangers are simply MARKETED as a truck to compete in the TOY class. :biggrin:

[Edited on 6-10-2015 by Hook]

See our trip report, it was a Bronco.

The Ranger had an issue with the tranny before the Pole Line Road section was traveled, so he (MICK) drove it back to Rio Hardy. John M stayed with him in case it needed a tow.

But, you reminded me... it was two Fords that had issues of everyone who wanted to go!

Skipjack Joe - 6-10-2015 at 09:05 AM

Quote:

Quote: Originally posted by Hook

REAL Ford truck owners dont consider a Ranger, a Ford truck.

Rangers are simply MARKETED as a truck to compete in the TOY class.

.

And they fail.

mtgoat666 - 6-10-2015 at 09:20 AM

Quote: Originally posted by David K

We saw some driving to the Pole Line Road in April...

There is a group that has or had put water containers marked with high flying flags to support the needs of illegal border crossers in our southern desert of California.

These are not "to support the needs." They are to for emergency use. The coyotes are inhumane, throw people into the desert little prepared. Humanitarians stock the emergency supplies....

StuckSucks - 6-10-2015 at 10:14 AM

I was confused, but then I realized that I'd missed this part of the Baja Nomads Terms of Use: "All threads, regardless of topic, shall eventually evolve into a Toyota vs. Ford vs. Jeep vs. Chevy peeing contest."

Uh, OK. As you were ...

ehall - 6-11-2015 at 08:05 AM

ehall - 6-11-2015 at 08:07 AM

What is the 3rd language?

A-OK - 6-11-2015 at 09:56 AM

Quote: Originally posted by ehall

What is the 3rd language?

The third language is native Indian- form of Aztec

bajabuddha - 6-11-2015 at 10:02 AM

Depends on location of the sign itself; if it's anywhere near the Arizona border it could be Tohonto O'Odam.... I've seen similar script on road signs in the area. Or, maybe the sign painter had a heat-stroke episode; forgot the Gott.

ehall - 6-11-2015 at 10:16 AM

Yes, just north of the border in Az.

Whale-ista - 6-11-2015 at 10:20 AM

These last few photos are pretty harsh...or I should say, the reality they represent is harsh.

StuckSucks - 6-11-2015 at 12:27 PM

Quote: Originally posted by ehall

I see this was taken in the US. I've seen the Border Patrol drag around groups of tires to smooth sand, looking for footprints of people crossing the border. I spoke to one Border guy who said they could tell the difference between Mexican and US shoe soles.

BajaGlenn - 6-11-2015 at 03:49 PM

OK whats the last language??

David K - 6-11-2015 at 05:54 PM

Native American dialect? As if any are stupid enough to be in the desert without water, and know how to read their ancient language! Probably cost taxpayers a million dollars for that sign?

O'odham

BajaBruno - 6-12-2015 at 10:45 PM

That last language is O'odham, of the Pima Indians.

bajabuddha - 6-12-2015 at 11:34 PM

Quote: Originally posted by David K

Native American dialect? As if any are stupid enough to be in the desert without water, and know how to read their ancient language! Probably cost taxpayers a million dollars for that sign?

Never name-call and only here to help, eh? Never start a political argument, only comment when challenged?

A million dollar sign? In their language on the land we took away from them in the first place, or maybe still on their own Reservation land we gave back to them after we stole it? Maybe their tricked-out Tacoma w/GPS and XM and ONSTAR ran outa gas or blew a tire, or Al Gore lasered them from his Lear Jet, eh?

Putz.

redhilltown - 6-13-2015 at 12:03 AM

C'mon Buddha, lighten up!!!! The million dollar theory was well researched, foot noted, and comes complete with Ann Coulter's essay on "Stupid Natives of Baja: Can't They Find Water?".

bajabuddha - 6-13-2015 at 01:11 AM

:lol:

David K - 6-13-2015 at 09:05 AM

LOL... so the Pima need the white man's rescue service? Now THAT is insulting. That they don't read English is also insulting.

AKgringo - 6-13-2015 at 09:36 AM

I know that the quickest way to draw flak around here, is to agree with DK, but he is right about the Pima text on the sign. Do you really think there is anyone alive today that can read the bottom statement in the Pima language, that can not read either the English or Spanish version?

So what was the point, PC signage?

David K - 6-13-2015 at 09:47 AM

I didn't know Indians of the Southwest had a written language, did they print newspapers in the 1800's too? I grew up reading or hearing that Indian grandfathers told stories to the young ones and that is how history was preserved... not in books. Nomad is great for learning new stuff... now only if it were true....!

SFandH - 6-13-2015 at 09:49 AM

Quote: Originally posted by AKgringo

Do you really think there is anyone alive today that can read the bottom statement in the Pima language, that can not read either the English or Spanish version?

Maybe, it's the 3rd most-spoken indigenous language in Arizona after Apache and Navajo. It is the 3rd most-spoken language in Pinal County and the 4th most-spoken language in Pima County.

And yes, I understand the difference between spoken and written.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/O'odham_language

If a sign is going to placed with English and Spanish, why not include the indigenous language?

It might save a life.
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"Arizona's undocumented border deaths peaked in 2005, when Border Patrol agents recorded more than 271 bodies found in the Sonoran Desert.

Since then, the Border Patrol has recorded an average of 207 undocumented border deaths every year."

http://www.azcentral.com/story/news/local/arizona/2014/08/08...

bajabuddha - 6-13-2015 at 10:34 AM

How about, "Done out of respect", because it's on their National land?

The only 'insulting' I see is just a few posts up.

.......oooooh, I forgot, DK never says anything bad about anyone ever, and never ever starts anything negative. He's just helping us open our eyes. My bad.

[Edited on 6-13-2015 by bajabuddha]

durrelllrobert - 6-13-2015 at 10:56 AM

What's that yellow waterfall doing to the poor woman on the right?

[Edited on 6-13-2015 by durrelllrobert]

AKgringo - 6-13-2015 at 11:17 AM

I hope in my earlier post that I did not give the impression that I am against the signs. I think it is a worthwhile effort to prevent human tragedy, and from an economic standpoint, responding to that station would be FAR less expensive than a search/recovery mission for people in trouble.

David K - 6-13-2015 at 11:21 AM

Quote: Originally posted by AKgringo

I hope in my earlier post that I did not give the impression that I am against the signs. I think it is a worthwhile effort to prevent human tragedy, and from an economic standpoint, responding to that station would be FAR less expensive than a search/recovery mission for people in trouble.

agree with you!