What is missing from the list is probably the only group that would even begin to care...the Chamber of Commerce.
Hit 'em where it hurts most.
bajacamper - 6-13-2015 at 01:08 PM
I quess I'm confused. In the 1970 era the "scientists" told us to beware of global cooling. The icecaps were expanding at an alarming rate. That
didn't quite pan out so in the 1980 - 1990's global warming caused by man was now the theme of the day. It has been shown that the planet has not
warmed significantly over a thousand years, so now we have climate change. Ah climate change. No matter what happens now it can be blamed on the
American man. There is finally a catch phrase that global warmers, coolers can get behind, but don't ignore cows farting in the field. Those rascals
have a role in this too you know.
[Edited on 6-13-2015 by bajacamper]
chuckie - 6-13-2015 at 01:19 PM
Too many goats is what I think.....Goat gas....
chuckie - 6-13-2015 at 03:20 PM
Neener---neeener!
bajacamper - 6-13-2015 at 03:49 PM
I don't know what happened I just pushed a button. Sorry I jumped in on the hijack.
chuckie - 6-13-2015 at 04:08 PM
WTF does any of this have to do with the cops in Tecate???Another case of DK spewing his political BS.....
bajacamper - 6-13-2015 at 04:15 PM
Quote: Originally posted by Bajaboy | Quote: Originally posted by bajabuddha | I'm afraid I have to agree 100% with DK on this one. Just because it happens to a lot of people, and is increasing blatantly, but didn't happen to
HIM does mean it doesn't happen to EVERYBODY UNIVERSALLY. After all, the corrupt cops can't pull everyone over all at the same time, right? Besides,
he was just there and wasn't hassled, and hadn't changed since the last time he was there, so therefore there isn't a growing problem because he
didn't see it happen, therefore it doesn't exist.
In David's world. Viva OZ !! |
Senor Chuckie, this is where the train went sideways.
Goes hand in hand with his theory about man made climate change..after all the sun still comes up in the East |
chuckie - 6-13-2015 at 04:37 PM
Is Tecate under water?
Bajahowodd - 6-13-2015 at 04:48 PM
Turns out that a major number of climate change deniers are end-timers. The same folks that don't think it is worth investing in infrastructure,
because when Jesus comes back, who will care about this stuff.
ncampion - 6-13-2015 at 04:50 PM
As usual, DK gets blamed for injecting a political view into a non-political thread, when actually it was bajabuddha, as
bajacamper pointed out. And or course chuckie blindly piles right on. Come on children, really.
chuckie - 6-13-2015 at 05:48 PM
Nah! I had my glasses on,,,,That dang Buddha...I knew it was his fault...
mtgoat666 - 6-13-2015 at 09:09 PM
Quote: Originally posted by Bajaboy | Quote: Originally posted by bajacamper | Quote: Originally posted by Bajaboy |
David, I'll be in Baja for the next month beginning tomorrow. I'll take some pics of all the beach erosion near Bahia Asuncion for you. Just because
YOUR eyes are closed does not mean it's not happening
|
And just because you and many others have totally bought into the biggest scam in history, does not mean that it is. Consensus is not science. A
bunch of folks getting grant money to come to the conclusions wanted by their grantors will usually result in more grant money. I know this is a
difference of opinion and not in line with the pc view The global warming crowd will tolerate anything except a differing view.
[Edited on 6-13-2015 by bajacamper] |
So these climate scientists are credible when predicting hurricanes but suspect otherwise? |
The people of tecate don't care if cops fłeece gringos. 99% of gringos in tecate are passing thru and don't even purchase so much as a taco. The
cops are smart to fleece these transients, as no local gives a flip.
Bajatripper - 6-14-2015 at 12:46 PM
Bingo! As some of you know (well, at least David K and his lovely wife), my Spanish is pretty good. I've been pulled over numerous times in Mexico and
always humbly submit to authorities if I'm in the wrong, usually paying a mordida and getting on my way without further hassle.
But if I get pulled over by a cop on some bogus charge, I argue with them in polite tones and have ALWAYS gotten off without paying anything. My
(Mexican) wife is always amused as the scene of a cop realizing that things aren't going as planned unfolds. She enjoys re-telling the stories to her
friends.
That said, there have been times when I was going the wrong way in the center of some town or city I was unfamiliar with and have had cops pull me
over and gently explain that I'm going the wrong way while pointing to a nearby sign indicating the correct direction of travel and then let me go
with a warning to be more careful--never even hinting at a mordida.
Bajatripper - 6-14-2015 at 01:00 PM
Quote: Originally posted by mtgoat666 |
The people of tecate don't care if cops fłeece gringos. 99% of gringos in tecate are passing thru and don't even purchase so much as a taco. The
cops are smart to fleece these transients, as no local gives a flip. |
We should just consider it a tax for using the roads through the municipality, in line with an airport exit tax. Averaged out over all of the visitors
who pass through, it's mere pennies a piece. And, best of all, it's spent locally, so it stimulates economic activity in the city/region.
Bajatripper - 6-14-2015 at 02:01 PM
Quote: Originally posted by bajacamper |
And just because you and many others have totally bought into the biggest scam in history, does not mean that it is. Consensus is not science. A
bunch of folks getting grant money to come to the conclusions wanted by their grantors will usually result in more grant money. I know this is a
difference of opinion and not in line with the pc view The global warming crowd will tolerate anything except a differing view.
[Edited on 6-13-2015 by bajacamper] |
Boy, talk about misdirection! "[J]ust because you and many others" includes something like...what is it?...99% of the scientific community?
You follow that up with "[c]onsensus is not science." Of all things for you to introduce into the conversation.
And, my personal favorite, "[a] bunch of folks getting grant money to come to the conclusions wanted by their grantors will usually result in more
grant money." Yes, my friend, we liberals have such deep, deep pockets that we are able to fund 99% of the scientific community to fill up their
reports with those bought conclusions. In classic misdirection, you take the very (and only) method to support your very narrow,
unfounded-on-anything-remotely-scientific opinion and apply it to the other side.
Unfortunately, most media outlets no longer do any investigative journalism so this methodology is allowed to pass as and "equal but opposite"
perspective when in reality it should be laughed out of the room. Yours isn't simply an opinion that "the Global-warming crowd won't tolerate." Wish
it were so simple. The truth is that we are on the border of doing great harm to the Human Race (the planet will survive whether we're here
or not), but people like yourself--who allow this nonsense to get traction, if only among the uninformed--only serve to prolong the day that we
finally come to terms with it and do something about it. I only hope, for my kids' sake, that it isn't too late.
No, my friend, our divergent views on the effects of global warming are far from "a difference of opinion." One is based on the realities of
undisputable facts backed by science while the other belongs among books that begin with "Once upon a time..."
chuckie - 6-14-2015 at 02:08 PM
Perhaps we should ask the Tecate cops for their opinion on Global warming, Palm tree growth and Vidalia onions as long as we are on the subject. The
lil pudgy guy is a registered demopublican....
Bajatripper - 6-14-2015 at 02:54 PM
Quote: Originally posted by chuckie | Perhaps we should ask the Tecate cops for their opinion on Global warming, Palm tree growth and Vidalia onions as long as we are on the subject. The
lil pudgy guy is a registered demopublican.... |
bajabuddha - 6-14-2015 at 03:29 PM
Quote: Originally posted by ncampion | As usual, DK gets blamed for injecting a political view into a non-political thread, when actually it was bajabuddha, as
bajacamper pointed out. And or course chuckie blindly piles right on. Come on children, really.
|
ncampion, go back to page one and my original post; then read (DK's BFF) bajacamper's ...... I believe the FIRST mention of any ''blamed for injecting
a political view into a non-political thread" was not me, but DK's champion and most ardent supporter.
My point was that according to our Resident Expert on Everything Baja, if it didn't happen to him it isn't "universal", even though event after event
has been reported. I stayed on-topic, chumly.
Here, let me help;
Quote: Originally posted by bajabuddha | I'm afraid I have to agree 100% with DK on this one. Just because it happens to a lot of people, and is increasing blatantly, but didn't happen to
HIM does mean it doesn't happen to EVERYBODY UNIVERSALLY. After all, the corrupt cops can't pull everyone over all at the same time, right? Besides,
he was just there and wasn't hassled, and hadn't changed since the last time he was there, so therefore there isn't a growing problem because he
didn't see it happen, therefore it doesn't exist.
In David's world. Viva OZ !! |
Now, on topic, I've been stopped a half-dozen times in Tecate for mordida, and used good manners and bad Spanish with a little firmness and haven't
paid mordida.....yet..... there at least. Far's 'transient tourists not leaving any money there' that's a bunch of flat-out BS. The OP mentioned he
used to spend time and money there; I always gas up just south of town, going and coming. A shake-down is a shake-down, and it's a crime. When done
by a cop it's a double-crime, and I don't care how you paint it. Tecate IS NOTORIOUS, and all it does is put a bad rub on a possible great vacation.
No wonder tourism is down across the board in Baja.
I thought the OP was a good thread. Don't blame me for the train wreck on the political agendas: prove what I did or please, STFU.
Big poo-poo-head.
bajacamper - 6-14-2015 at 03:35 PM
I like Chuckie's approach.
David K - 6-14-2015 at 06:16 PM
I wish it was possible to know all things Baja, but I don't think it is possible, and it is sure NOTHING I have ever claimed. There will always be
more Baja that I don't know than I do know... and that is why it is magic and will be special to me for all my life.
The thing you don't want to accept is that I willingly SHARE all my Baja data (not all personal data, but in books, magazines, etc.) to increase
awareness and lust for this great peninsula. Informed Baja Nomads are NOT the threat to keeping Baja beautiful, just the opposite is true.
ncampion - 6-14-2015 at 08:23 PM
Quote: Originally posted by bajabuddha | Quote: Originally posted by ncampion | As usual, DK gets blamed for injecting a political view into a non-political thread, when actually it was bajabuddha, as
bajacamper pointed out. And or course chuckie blindly piles right on. Come on children, really.
|
ncampion, go back to page one and my original post; then read (DK's BFF) bajacamper's ...... I believe the FIRST mention of any ''blamed for injecting
a political view into a non-political thread" was not me, but DK's champion and most ardent supporter.
My point was that according to our Resident Expert on Everything Baja, if it didn't happen to him it isn't "universal", even though event after event
has been reported. I stayed on-topic, chumly.
|
Ok Buddha, Let me help you.
DK's post #2 was completely on topic, your post # 11 was the one that was derogatory to DK. Then BajaBoy jumped in against DK in post # 14 and # 16.
BajaCamper didn't post till # 20 in support of DK's position.
You were clearly the originator of the OT ranting. I've noticed this same thing happen several other times on this board.
That's the last I'm saying about this. As Mark Twain said, “Never argue with a fool, onlookers may not be able to tell the difference.”
bajabuddha - 6-14-2015 at 09:28 PM
Sorry I confused the issue with facts. My first post was on topic about Tecate corruption. I call BS when I see it, and I am guilty as charged of
noticing it more than once from someone who's far more notorious than I of hijacking threads for personal political aggrandizement.
If you're going to count posts and state facts, don't forget post #15 (DK's) of your "he-said-she-said" Your Honor.
"The sun may kiss the morning sky.
The bird may kiss the butterfly,
The dew may kiss the morning grass,
And you, dear soul,
Farewell."
[Edited on 6-15-2015 by bajabuddha]
David K - 6-15-2015 at 08:22 AM
Can't we all just get along??? Buddah, I don't want to fight with you... and being an old man now, I might say something that sounds to others as
combative, but I don't intend it to be such. I am sorry.
ncampion, thank you for understanding me better!
Now, how about a big VIVA BAJA, and let's all have a fun summer!!
ncampion - 6-15-2015 at 08:23 AM
Amen!!!!
vgabndo - 6-15-2015 at 11:37 AM
Quote: Originally posted by David K | Can't we all just get along??? Buddah, I don't want to fight with you... and being an old man now, I might say something that sounds to others as
combative, but I don't intend it to be such. I am sorry.
ncampion, thank you for understanding me better!
Now, how about a big VIVA BAJA, and let's all have a fun summer!! |
motoged - 6-15-2015 at 05:17 PM
Sometimes "agreeing" is not understanding.
And we understand many of your points.....some of us just don't agree.
[Edited on 6-16-2015 by motoged]
chuckie - 6-15-2015 at 05:21 PM
Amen Brother!
pacocacho - 6-16-2015 at 06:43 AM
(Can we still post in this thread or is it closed?)
Quote: Originally posted by junkyarddog | 'send backs' to the US side because we could no longer bring in our favorite foods to sustain our 6-9 month stays in the sun in Baja. Freezers with
$700 worth of our favorite meats and cheeses that were just not available in rural Baja had to be disposed of back in the US before we could re-enter
with our now empty freezers.
|
I think you are trying to get support on your “food importing practice” by mixing too many things in the bowl.
The cops’ corruption is there and it’s hard to deny or justify. But it has nothing to do with you trying to bring quantities above what is allowed
for a tourist.
I understand that you don’t consider yourself a typical tourist, and that you are coming in for 6 to 9 months (I assume you have some type of visa,
since as a visaless tourist you could only stay for a maximum of 180 days, which is slightly less than 6 months –remember 31 day months-).
Even if Baja California and BCS are still considered “Region Fronteriza” that allow for the residents to have a different import regime, if you
are not a resident, you can’t apply for those benefits, and even if you were, it has a cap of 150 USD per day per person (with a 400 cap per car) so
this can’t be part of your argument either.
( I imagine in that same Tecate Border a Mexican trying to cross to the States 4 pounds of chiles jalapeños, 10 pounds of tortillas, some machaca
and some avocados and I can’t but see him 6 months in jail)
So what was “tolerated” in the past will not necessary still be tolerated in the present of the future. And that is what it was (or still is);
Toleration. You can’t bring more that what is in a list in this link;
http://www.senasica.gob.mx/includes/asp/download.asp?IdDocum...
which says basically that you can bring up to 3 kg of packaged cheese and up to 5 kg of “processed” meat.
“Fresh, refrigerated or frozen beef, packaged and stamped by the corresponding health authority” is FORBIDDEN REGARDLESS OF ORIGIN…
more info: http://www.senasica.gob.mx/?Idioma=2&id=3694
There is always the "legal importation" process, (you will have to pay taxes...)
I think we should thank the universe when we get away with our little misdemeanours but we should not think we are entitled to them...
.
SFandH - 6-16-2015 at 07:40 AM
Thanks for the links pacocacho.
You said "So what was “tolerated” in the past will not necessary still be tolerated in the present of the future."
That's the truth. Mexico is getting much more formal at the border. Things have certainly changed in terms of what you can take to Mexico at the
crossing I use - San Ysidro. And I think it's no so much the laws have changed, it's more about enforcing the laws. They turned me around once because
I had a outboard motor in my trunk (and I said I was willing to pay an import fee - nope) and a friend of mine was not allowed to bring small house
plants across the border. She had to go back to the US too.
chuckie - 6-16-2015 at 07:53 AM
Must change like the wind.....I went through Tecate in February with a freezer loaded with Venison, Elk, Antelope and game birds....I was asked what
was in it and told them.....They asked a few questions about what did the various things taste like and sent me on my way.....Same freezer came back
full of fish....
(Chicken tastes a lot like rattlesnake)
[Edited on 6-16-2015 by chuckie]
motoged - 6-16-2015 at 12:53 PM
Quote: Originally posted by chuckie | Must change like the wind.....I went through Tecate in February with a freezer loaded with Venison, Elk, Antelope and game birds........
[Edited on 6-16-2015 by chuckie] |
Chuckie,
What did you do? Rob a taxidermist's place?
chuckie - 6-16-2015 at 12:58 PM
Mostly roadkill.....
msteve1014 - 6-16-2015 at 01:06 PM
All in one big bag. Great for sausage or "stew".
Back on point. I have never been questioned much about what I have in the small freezer I carry, but it ain't $700 dollars worth either.
motoged - 6-16-2015 at 01:42 PM
Good....it's great to see you recycling and doing your bit to manage waste while keeping the CO2 factor balanced
I once smuggled an orange from Baja into the US at Al Godones.....
chuckie - 6-16-2015 at 02:31 PM
Al Godones? Dint you used to date his sister?
bajabuddha - 6-16-2015 at 03:58 PM
You're thinking of Godones Gracious, the big-boned one.
chuckie - 6-16-2015 at 04:14 PM
Thas her....She was hangin with Motoged....
churro - 6-16-2015 at 10:05 PM
We were in Tacate over the weekend... No Problema
bajabuddha - 6-16-2015 at 10:09 PM
ONE IN A ROW !! Problem solved, end of thread.
(Boy Howdy, were you lucky... you weren't towing an RV, perhaps?)
Tecatebombero - 6-20-2015 at 06:34 AM
During my last trip at Tecate, I too saw the man across the check station, on the corner with a cell phone. He looked right at me and was talking to
someone.Less than 3 blocks later a motorcycle cop was on a side street and pulled in besides me. I made every stop and was very careful about my
speed. After 5-6 blocks he pulled in front of me and turned right down a street. Two blocks later he was I saw him coming up from a side street. He
followed me again until I was almost out of town. I,m am sure he was the one several years ago that followed me into the big Pemex station at the
south end of Tecate. As I was getting fuel he said I had not stopped at a stop sign, I argued with him as the female station attendant looked on. He
finally walked away and left. On many trips south at Tecate have have seen US plated vehicles on the side of the road with Policia vehicles. I went
thru San Diego last trip and will also use Otay. I was turned back at Tecate last year for have dry dog food with meat products. I don,t care to use
Tecate for a port on entry again.
dtbushpilot - 6-20-2015 at 07:21 AM
I always cross at Tecate northbound and southbound. I've been through there at least 75 times, probably more. I've been checked out at the border
southbound a number of times transporting all sorts of stuff without issue. I don't pay much attention to my speed and I stop at the stop signs that
the locals stop at. I've been pulled over once at the southern end of town just past the Pemex because my trailer lights weren't working (they
weren't). I told the officer I would get them fixed as soon as I got to Ensenada, he said that would be a good idea. He said the fine was 500 pesos, I
said ok, even better, I'll get them fixed in Tecate after I pay my fine at the station. He insisted that I could pay it there and be on my way, I
insisted on paying at the station. He let me go with a reminder to drive safely and don't forget to fix those lights. I guess everyone doesn't run
afoul of the law in Tecate...
Marla Daily - 6-20-2015 at 07:21 AM
There are other threads documenting the multiple times we have been pulled over in Tecate: speeding (when we weren't); running a stop sign (which we
didn't); having dogs in the cab of the truck (which we did, but which isn't against any law we could be shown). After two decades of crossing three
times a year in Tecate, and getting stopped more often than not, in March we decided to try Tijuana. There, our truck/camper was put through a
drive-through X-Ray upon entering the country, while we and our dogs stood by and waited. No one blinked at the heavily loaded camper, full of food
and #300 of kibble. Everyone smiled and we drove away. What a pleasant experience! And the new connector to the road south is great. No more driving
thru TJ.
Pescador - 6-20-2015 at 07:31 AM
If you spend any time in the expatriate communities, you will hear stories about getting hit up for mordida in Tecate. It is very much like it was
for awhile in Constitution. I have heard stories at dinner parties in Punta Chivato, stories related while visiting friends in Mulege, common
stories in San Bruno, but that is where the originator of this thread lives, and San Lucas Cove was ripe with stories this winter. So I think it is
safe to assume that there is some problem with a few cops that are doing their best to pick up mordida when the opportunity presents itself. It is a
well known fact that criminals know how to read their victims and know pretty much which one is more likely to succumb to their shakedown. I have a
friend who was hit up 4 times in just a couple of years time.
So here is my suggestion. Start taking pictures the second you get pulled over. The few bad cops who are doing this do not want to give out
their name or number and are going to freak out if you pull out a cell phone or a camera. I did that and started laughing about doing a "selfie" and
he disappeared immediately. He started to tell me it was illegal to do that but I told him I had checked with the chief of police and was told it was
OK.
If one considers the dampening effect this is having on law enforcement in the areas north of the border, you can imagine the effect will not be much
different south of the border.
CopaMom - 7-10-2015 at 09:07 PM
Newbie here... we are driving to Ensenada in a few days, and were planning on cutting through at Tecate (coming from Phoenix). After reading this
thread... it's sounding like it may be in our best interest to forget this short cut and just drive to San Diego and enter Mexico at Tijuana. Is that
what is recommended? We have entered Mexico at Sonoita (to go to Puerto Penasco) and have never had a problem there. I am saddened to see the
problems Americans have just trying to cross the border
dtbushpilot - 7-10-2015 at 09:27 PM
Welcome to Nomads CopaMom.
I don't think it matters much where you cross, you will hear stories good and bad for any of them. Cross wherever is convenient for you, drive at a
reasonable speed, stop at the stop signs and try not to look like a victim (although I don't know what one looks like). Smile and wave a lot and have
fun. Post a trip report when you return....
bajabuddha - 7-10-2015 at 09:46 PM
Just a hint; don't make eye-contact. Watch for any and all stops in Tecate, the locals will 'slow down' (Mexican STOP) but, make sure you do a
complete stop. There's 9 or 10 of them as you go through town, so keep eyes peeled, go sloooow, and you'll be fine. Don't be intimidated. If
pulled over, do the camera/phone trick. Tecate is a wonderful shortcut, go for it, and if anything you'll have a new story to tell (hopefully not).
Have a good trip, and quit worrying.
David K - 7-11-2015 at 02:53 AM
Quote: Originally posted by dtbushpilot | Welcome to Nomads CopaMom.
I don't think it matters much where you cross, you will hear stories good and bad for any of them. Cross wherever is convenient for you, drive at a
reasonable speed, stop at the stop signs and try not to look like a victim (although I don't know what one looks like). Smile and wave a lot and have
fun. Post a trip report when you return.... |
Ditto!
IF you do get pulled over, and specially if you are certain you didn't break any traffic laws, DO NOT PAY THE POLICEMAN. He will try and scare you by
saying the fines are very high and it will be best to let him have a lesser amount, but they have real rules down there and traffic fines are low if
you did break a rule.
If, after a polite exchange and your firmness to not pay the cop, agree to go to the station and see the judge... The cop will let you go there or, as
you are following him to the police station, he will pull over and return your license and send you on your way so he can find easier prey.
It is the culture still with some, that once you get a job with authority, lining your pockets is your economic benefit. They are trying to change
this and most of us on Nomad do not have any confrontation with police.
dtbushpilot - 7-11-2015 at 05:37 AM
Quote: Originally posted by bajabuddha | Just a hint; don't make eye-contact. Watch for any and all stops in Tecate, the locals will 'slow down' (Mexican STOP) but, make sure you do a
complete stop. There's 9 or 10 of them as you go through town, so keep eyes peeled, go sloooow, and you'll be fine. Don't be intimidated. If
pulled over, do the camera/phone trick. Tecate is a wonderful shortcut, go for it, and if anything you'll have a new story to tell (hopefully not).
Have a good trip, and quit worrying. |
Good advice about the eye contact. When I go through the crossing if the light is green I drive ahead without looking over at the border agents. If
they want me to stop bad enough they will walk out and wave me over. Same with the cops, if you see one hanging out somewhere don't make eye contact
but in every case of dealing with any of them smile and be polite.
KaceyJ - 7-11-2015 at 08:14 AM
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Have you personally ordered from this company and used this cam??
thanks /kc
bajaguy - 7-11-2015 at 08:38 AM
Kacey - Can't remember where I purchased mine, but it is exactly like the one in the link. It works great for me. I purchased a 16GB card and it was
good to go. I'm sure if you look at Amazon you can find a selection. I like the one in the link due to it's night view capabilities.....and I normally
drive with the screen folded up.
BajaRat - 7-11-2015 at 10:26 AM
Quote: Originally posted by David K | Quote: Originally posted by dtbushpilot | Welcome to Nomads CopaMom.
I don't think it matters much where you cross, you will hear stories good and bad for any of them. Cross wherever is convenient for you, drive at a
reasonable speed, stop at the stop signs and try not to look like a victim (although I don't know what one looks like). Smile and wave a lot and have
fun. Post a trip report when you return.... |
They are trying to change this and most of us on Nomad do not have any confrontation with police. |
OOPS,
Must have missed your survey, when you say most Nomads do not have confrontations with police, is that like 51 % or ????
Maybe you could post a link to that survey so I may participate
Now lets get off Fantasy Island and on with Tecate.
We love Tecate, the friends, the weather, the food, the city and countryside. That being said it runs a close second to Tijuana on police
confrontation for this family.
Watch your driving habits because if you slip expect to be noticed there.
Besides the previously mentioned watch out situations one great trap is as you pass the fire station at the rail road tracks before you make the turn
into the border crossing no return road. The speed limit is reduced to a snails pace right in front of the station and even though the local traffic
is speeding towards the three way stop sign and then rolling it, don't you step outta line.
If they are there your getting pulled over.
David K - 7-11-2015 at 10:37 AM
Well Baja Rat, with thousands of Nomads, hundreds of posters, many seeking drama, there are just so few reports for police shakedowns lately. Plus,
with the new police and federal officers being so polite and working by the book (per posts on Nomad), it seems the bribe takers are just old school.
The incidents in Ciudad Constitucion and Tecate being the two major problem towns... but following the Constitucion reports here 3-4 years ago... I
traveled through that city twice, and did not see one cop (mid day). I did make sure to stop t each stop sign (count to 3) and red light, as I do here
in the USA, too.
I have been a 'victim' in both Tijuana and Ensenada... back in the 1970's and 1980's. A Tecate cop pulled me over the first time we found that there
was a new border access road and was going towards it the wrong way (2002?). I talked to him and he let us go, even though I was briefly on a one way
street, the wrong way (no signage seen by me).
Lee - 7-11-2015 at 10:47 AM
Don't make eye contact? Uh, why not? And who ever said eye contact is not a good thing -- like culturally it's considered a challenge? I
didn't get that message.
If there's a cop catty corner or diagonally across an intersection from me, I ignore him. If he's across the street looking at me as I pass, I wave
and give a peace sign. I'm usually laughing when I do that. Just how I am and my opinion.
Any comment about ''going to the station'' needs to be tempered with the ''other'' side of what can happen at the station.
That kind of advice is an OPINION from someone who might not have much experience in MX or thinks they have it dialed in -- and it seems to make
sense. Go to the station, plead your case, and you'll be treated fairly. That may or may NOT be the case, folks.
BajaRat - 7-11-2015 at 10:54 AM
Quote: Originally posted by David K | Well Baja Rat, with thousands of Nomads, hundreds of posters, many seeking drama, there are just so few reports for police shakedowns lately. Plus,
with the new police and federal officers being so polite and working by the book (per posts on Nomad), it seems the bribe takers are just old school.
The incidents in Ciudad Constitucion and Tecate being the two major problem towns... but following the Constitucion reports here 3-4 years ago... I
traveled through that city twice, and did not see one cop (mid day). I did make sure to stop t each stop sign (count to 3) and red light, as I do here
in the USA, too.
I have been a 'victim' in both Tijuana and Ensenada... back in the 1970's and 1980's. A Tecate cop pulled me over the first time we found that there
was a new border access road and was going towards it the wrong way (2002?). I talked to him and he let us go, even though I was briefly on a one way
street, the wrong way (no signage seen by me). |
You can call me Lionel, my Nomad friend.
I guess the point is we as guests in these border towns do not enjoy the same lax treatment that the locals enjoy. Step out of line and expect to have
a visit with Tecate' finest or the infamous shakedown moto cop crew.
The real stinger is when you follow the rules and get the shakedown because of your profile.
Thanks Terry, these days a camera and a list of officials is not a bad idea
DianaT - 7-11-2015 at 10:58 AM
Has anyone had the dog situation with the Tecate police recently? I thought that was pretty incredible.
For six years we drove through Tecate about every 6 weeks and fortunately, never were stopped. But that is not to say many others have not been
stopped in the last several years.
We were stopped MANY years ago by a cop who said we ran a red light and ignored the policeman on the street who tried to wave us over. But then he
explained to us that we probably could not see the light because of the big truck next to us. He then wished us a nice day, a safe trip and told us
to be careful of all the lights when we returned. Maybe it was because we had my 80 + mother-in-law in the car that he decided to just wish us a
safe journey.
I know the idea of paying mordida is really frowned on around here, but there are times. We got stopped once around Santo Tomas . We were not going
that fast, except we were over the speed limit. It was at the beginning of a long holiday weekend and there was no way we were going to return to
Ensenada to take care of it three days later at the station.
Everyone has their own experiences with law enforcement which creates their own reality and the reality of others is not relevant. I believe everyone
has to deal with their own reality and every situation is different. Frankly, I doubt we would ever chose actually going to the station unless it was
in a small town that we know well; that is our reality based on the experiences of a couple of friends.
[Edited on 7-11-2015 by DianaT]
David K - 7-11-2015 at 11:19 AM
Sure Lionel, I know we are friends, and lunch mates at Mama Espinoza's!
Agree with you that one should not step out of line, in Tecate, or anywhere there are police. Stepping out of line is reserved for non-populated camp
sites, right?
Pescador - 7-11-2015 at 04:58 PM
Well rest easy, they are working on the solution.
http://mexiconewsdaily.com/news/changes-to-streamline-import...
BajaRat - 7-12-2015 at 12:28 PM
Thanks for the article Senor.
After reading it I get the impression it's aimed more at commercial traffic streamlining and by the investment Pena is implementing I wouldn't be
surprised if we start paying more at the border with more frequent inspections on light vehicle traffic
CopaMom - 7-12-2015 at 08:59 PM
Thank you all for your replies, and putting my mind at ease. We will cross into Mexico at Tecate, and follow the rules of the road. I will report
back when we get home to let you know how it went
AKgringo - 7-12-2015 at 09:13 PM
CopaMom, One thing you should be aware of, if you are stopped by a local policeman, you will need to show him your license, but do not hand it to him
unless it is a duplicate (Federal Police, do as he says). That cuts out the 'You have to find the police station to get it back' scam.
I personally did this in La Paz the second time they tried collect a bribe from me. I pulled it back when he started to grab it, and told him to
either give me the ticket or let me go, and he waved me on.
I was pulled over for not wearing a seat belt, by a police truck with guys riding in the back, unbelted! I guess they were looking for lunch money.
dasubergeek - 8-10-2015 at 12:08 PM
Wait till they open the third crossing at the top of Blvd. 2000. I'll happily pay a toll to avoid that fat pasty chavala of a cop in Tecate. I've been
yanked by him four times, the last time he told me the fine would be higher because I had a shiny new truck and could afford it. I called 078 on the
Bluetooth in my truck and suddenly my terrible "crime" (waiting too long at the stop sign) was not so serious anymore.
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